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After exploring receiver production in Shanahan/Gruden/McVay schemes last week, I decided to do an offshoot article detailing QB production in the same context. This time, however, I broadened the parameters beyond the first year install of each system. Every year in which Kyle Shanahan, Jay Gruden, and Sean McVay designed a team’s offense either as head coach or offensive coordinator was included. This way, we can not only get a feel for probable year one results for Marcus Mariota, but also project what his trajectory may look like as long as Matt LaFleur (or a disciple of this style of offense) remains in place.
Below is a table which includes all of the data I collected. If you’re viewing it on a smartphone, it’s probably going to be clunky due to the width of the table. My apologies. You’re welcome to dig in deep and play with the numbers yourself—just make sure to comment with any additional findings/relevant projections. If you don’t want to drown in a sea of statistics, feel free to jump ahead and check out what I came away with.
Note: In any seasons in which more than one QB threw 10 or more passes, a composite stat line is also included. This essentially produces a single QB season out of the multiple partial seasons, with averages weighted to the passing attempt share of each QB.
Shanahan/Gruden/McVay QB Stats Reference
Line Item | Coach | Year | Year # | Team | QB | Attempts | Completions | Comp. % | Yards/Att. | TD % | Int % | QB Rating | DYAR | DVOA |
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Line Item | Coach | Year | Year # | Team | QB | Attempts | Completions | Comp. % | Yards/Att. | TD % | Int % | QB Rating | DYAR | DVOA |
1 | Kyle Shanahan | 2008 | 1 | Texans | Matt Schaub | 380 | 251 | 66.1 | 8 | 3.9 | 2.6 | 92.7 | 767 | 18 |
2 | Kyle Shanahan | 2008 | 1 | Texans | Sage Rosenfels | 174 | 116 | 66.7 | 8.2 | 3.4 | 5.7 | 79.5 | 131 | -0.7 |
3 | Kyle Shanahan | 2008 | 1 | Texans | 554 | 367 | 66.2 | 8.1 | 3.8 | 3.6 | 88.6 | 898 | 12.1 | |
4 | Kyle Shanahan | 2009 | 2 | Texans | Matt Schaub | 583 | 396 | 67.9 | 8.2 | 5 | 2.6 | 98.6 | 1624 | 29.3 |
5 | Kyle Shanahan | 2010 | 1 | Redskins | Donovan McNabb | 472 | 275 | 58.3 | 7.2 | 3 | 3.2 | 77.1 | 133 | -6.9 |
6 | Kyle Shanahan | 2010 | 1 | Redskins | Rex Grossman | 133 | 74 | 55.6 | 6.6 | 5.3 | 3 | 81.2 | -129 | -24.7 |
7 | Kyle Shanahan | 2010 | 1 | Redskins | 605 | 349 | 57.7 | 7 | 3.5 | 3.1 | 78 | 4 | -10.8 | |
8 | Kyle Shanahan | 2011 | 2 | Redskins | Rex Grossman | 458 | 265 | 57.9 | 6.9 | 3.5 | 4.4 | 72.4 | 96 | -8 |
9 | Kyle Shanahan | 2011 | 2 | Redskins | John Beck | 132 | 80 | 60.6 | 6.5 | 1.5 | 3 | 72.1 | -143 | -26.1 |
10 | Kyle Shanahan | 2011 | 2 | Redskins | 590 | 345 | 58.5 | 6.8 | 3.1 | 4.1 | 72.3 | -47 | -12.1 | |
11 | Kyle Shanahan | 2012 | 3 | Redskins | Robert Griffin III | 393 | 258 | 65.6 | 8.1 | 5.1 | 1.3 | 102.4 | 727 | 16.6 |
12 | Kyle Shanahan | 2012 | 3 | Redskins | Kirk Cousins | 48 | 33 | 68.8 | 9.7 | 8.3 | 6.3 | 101.6 | 59 | 6.4 |
13 | Kyle Shanahan | 2012 | 3 | Redskins | 441 | 291 | 66 | 8.3 | 5.4 | 1.8 | 102.3 | 786 | 15.5 | |
14 | Kyle Shanahan | 2013 | 4 | Redskins | Robert Griffin III | 456 | 274 | 60.1 | 7 | 3.5 | 2.6 | 82.2 | -60 | -13.1 |
15 | Kyle Shanahan | 2013 | 4 | Redskins | Kirk Cousins | 155 | 81 | 52.3 | 5.5 | 2.6 | 4.5 | 58.4 | -314 | -42.6 |
16 | Kyle Shanahan | 2013 | 4 | Redskins | 611 | 355 | 58.1 | 6.6 | 3.3 | 3.1 | 76.1 | -374 | -20.6 | |
17 | Kyle Shanahan | 2014 | 1 | Browns | Brian Hoyer | 438 | 242 | 55.3 | 7.6 | 2.7 | 3 | 76.5 | 166 | -5.3 |
18 | Kyle Shanahan | 2014 | 1 | Browns | Johnny Manziel | 35 | 18 | 51.4 | 5 | 0 | 5.7 | 42 | -144 | -73.2 |
19 | Kyle Shanahan | 2014 | 1 | Browns | Connor Shaw | 28 | 14 | 50 | 6.3 | 0 | 3.6 | 55.2 | -68 | -44.2 |
20 | Kyle Shanahan | 2014 | 1 | Browns | 501 | 274 | 54.7 | 7.3 | 2.4 | 3.2 | 72.9 | -46 | -12.2 | |
21 | Kyle Shanahan | 2015 | 1 | Falcons | Matt Ryan | 614 | 407 | 66.3 | 7.5 | 3.4 | 2.6 | 89 | 389 | -1.9 |
22 | Kyle Shanahan | 2016 | 2 | Falcons | Matt Ryan | 534 | 373 | 69.9 | 9.3 | 7.1 | 1.3 | 117.1 | 1885 | 39.1 |
23 | Kyle Shanahan | 2017 | 1 | 49ers | C.J. Beathard | 224 | 123 | 54.9 | 6.4 | 1.8 | 2.7 | 69.2 | -176 | -23.1 |
24 | Kyle Shanahan | 2017 | 1 | 49ers | Brian Hoyer | 205 | 119 | 58 | 6.1 | 2 | 2 | 74.1 | -80 | -16.7 |
25 | Kyle Shanahan | 2017 | 1 | 49ers | Jimmy Garoppolo | 178 | 120 | 67.4 | 8.8 | 3.9 | 2.8 | 96.2 | 598 | 39.1 |
26 | Kyle Shanahan | 2017 | 1 | 49ers | 607 | 362 | 59.6 | 7 | 2.5 | 2.5 | 78.8 | 342 | -2.7 | |
27 | Jay Gruden | 2011 | 1 | Bengals | Andy Dalton | 516 | 300 | 58.1 | 6.6 | 3.9 | 2.5 | 80.4 | 575 | 5.6 |
28 | Jay Gruden | 2011 | 1 | Bengals | Bruce Gradkowski | 18 | 8 | 44.4 | 6.1 | 5.6 | 5.6 | 59.7 | -51 | -58.5 |
29 | Jay Gruden | 2011 | 1 | Bengals | 534 | 308 | 57.7 | 6.6 | 3.9 | 2.6 | 79.7 | 524 | 3.4 | |
30 | Jay Gruden | 2012 | 2 | Bengals | Andy Dalton | 528 | 329 | 62.3 | 6.9 | 5.1 | 3 | 87.4 | 194 | -5.9 |
31 | Jay Gruden | 2012 | 2 | Bengals | Bruce Gradkowski | 11 | 5 | 45.5 | 5.9 | 0 | 0 | 64.6 | -3 | -14.9 |
32 | Jay Gruden | 2012 | 2 | Bengals | 539 | 334 | 62 | 6.9 | 5 | 3 | 86.9 | 191 | -6.1 | |
33 | Jay Gruden | 2013 | 3 | Bengals | Andy Dalton | 586 | 363 | 61.9 | 7.3 | 5.6 | 3.4 | 88.8 | 541 | 2.3 |
34 | Jay Gruden/Sean McVay | 2014 | 1 | Redskins | Robert Griffin III | 214 | 147 | 68.7 | 7.9 | 1.9 | 2.8 | 86.9 | -374 | -34.2 |
35 | Jay Gruden/Sean McVay | 2014 | 1 | Redskins | Kirk Cousins | 204 | 126 | 61.8 | 8.4 | 4.9 | 4.4 | 86.4 | 223 | 4.6 |
36 | Jay Gruden/Sean McVay | 2014 | 1 | Redskins | Colt McCoy | 128 | 91 | 71.1 | 8.3 | 3.1 | 2.3 | 96.4 | -43 | -15.9 |
37 | Jay Gruden/Sean McVay | 2014 | 1 | Redskins | 546 | 364 | 66.7 | 8.2 | 3.3 | 3.3 | 88.9 | -194 | -15.4 | |
38 | Jay Gruden/Sean McVay | 2015 | 2 | Redskins | Kirk Cousins | 543 | 379 | 69.8 | 7.7 | 5.3 | 2 | 101.6 | 1023 | 16.9 |
39 | Jay Gruden/Sean McVay | 2015 | 2 | Redskins | Colt McCoy | 11 | 7 | 63.6 | 11.6 | 9.1 | 0 | 133.9 | 22 | 20.9 |
40 | Jay Gruden/Sean McVay | 2015 | 2 | Redskins | 554 | 386 | 69.7 | 7.8 | 5.4 | 2 | 102.2 | 1045 | 17 | |
41 | Jay Gruden/Sean McVay | 2016 | 3 | Redskins | Kirk Cousins | 606 | 406 | 67 | 8.1 | 4.1 | 2 | 97.2 | 1317 | 20.9 |
42 | Jay Gruden/Sean McVay | 2017 | 4 | Redskins | Kirk Cousins | 540 | 347 | 64.3 | 7.6 | 5 | 2.4 | 93.9 | 395 | -0.6 |
43 | Sean McVay | 2017 | 1 | Rams | Jared Goff | 477 | 296 | 62.1 | 8 | 5.9 | 1.5 | 100.5 | 1125 | 24 |
44 | Sean McVay | 2017 | 1 | Rams | Sean Mannion | 37 | 22 | 59.5 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 72.5 | -141 | -66.6 |
45 | Sean McVay | 2017 | 1 | Rams | 514 | 318 | 61.9 | 7.8 | 5.4 | 1.4 | 98.5 | 395 | 17.5 |
With all that in mind, the fun can begin. What is Marcus Mariota likely to accomplish this season and beyond under LaFleur? Of course, there are near infinite ways to frame the data in order to attempt to answer that question. Here are a few scenarios that I thought were worth noting, realistic, or intriguing:
Average QB
An imaginary, generic QB that produced exactly average results based on 18 seasons worth of data on this scheme would:
Throw 559 passing attempts
Complete 63.1% of those attempts
Amass roughly 4250 passing yards (7.6 yards/attempt)
Throw 24 touchdowns (4.3 TD%)
Throw 15 interceptions (2.7 INT%)
Achieve a passer rating of 89.4
Produce +538 DYAR
Achieve +4.2% DVOA
Based on where most pundits tier Mariota league-wide, they should expect something in this range. What’s ironic is that, in all likelihood, a season of this caliber would earn him more respect from those same pundits even though he’d still have been “average”.
Production Within the Top Third All-Time in This System
Let’s put a little ‘spect on MM8’s name and project that he’ll be slightly above average compared to all past QBs who’ve operated this scheme. What would it look like if he placed in the top third all-time in this system (calculated per metric)? I’m keeping the number of passing attempts “average” here, because we don’t yet know how pass happy LaFleur intends to be.
559 passing attempts
>66.3% completion rate
=/> 8.1 yards/attempt (>~4530 passing yards)
>5% TD rate (>~28 TDs)
<2.4% INT rate (<~13 INTS)
>97.2 QB Rating
>+786 DYAR
>+15.5% DVOA
It’s safe to say most of us would be pretty happy with this level of production.
“LaFleurenstein’s Monster”
By factoring in the tendencies of offenses Matt LaFleur has been directly associated with, as well as the current pieces on the Titans’ offense, I think it’s possible to filter the data set and arrive at a better estimate.
We can expect LaFleur’s Titans offense to target running backs way more often than Mike Mularkey’s/Terry Robiskie’s—something in the approximate range of 80-100 targets combined for Dion Lewis and Derrick Henry seems plausible. Both Henry and Lewis have averaged better than 4.0 yards per carry in every one of their pro seasons. We can use that fact to eliminate offenses that could not reliably run the ball and were forced to pass more often because of it. We also can likely assume that, barring injury, Corey Davis will be the WR1 in terms of target share, with Rishard Matthews serving as a complementary possession receiver and Taywan Taylor adding a speed element either from the slot or on the outside.
Using this logic, I pared down the number of reference points, arriving at 7 specific seasons that paralleled what we should expect to see from the Titans offense in 2018:
2010 Redskins
2013 Bengals
2015 Falcons
2016 Falcons
2016 Redskins
2017 Rams
2017 49ers
The average of these offenses gives us this as an estimated guess at Mariota’s stat line in 2018:
581 passing attempts
63.5% completion rate
~4475 passing yards (7.7 yards/attempt)
26 Touchdowns (4.5 TD%)
13 (2.3 INT%)
92.5 QB Rating
+696 DYAR
+9.2% DVOA
What I love about this projection is that it acknowledges the trends in past iterations of this offense while also staying true to numbers we’ve seen from Mariota previously. Put another way: outside of a noticeable increase in passing yards, which we should expect to see in this style of scheme, the rest of the metrics don’t stray too far from the ceiling set by MM8 three years into his career. A season like this would simultaneously be a return to form, a new ceiling, and an outstanding jumping off point for the future for Mariota.
That brings us to one final comparison ...
Year 1 vs. Year 2
I isolated scenarios in which a player was the unquestioned starter (i.e. no significant missed time, no QB by committee) in two consecutive years. Unfortunately, that left us only Andy Dalton (2011/2012), Kirk Cousins (2015/2016), and Matt Ryan (2015/2016). Here are their averages during year one vs. year two.
Year One:
558 Passing Attempts
64.7% completion rate
7.3 yards/attempt
4.2 TD%
2.4 INT%
90.3 QB rating
662 DYAR
+6.9% DVOA
Year Two:
556 Passing Attempts (2/3 passed more)
66.4% completion rate (2/3 improved)
8.1 yards/attempt (3/3 improved)
5.4 TD% (2/3 improved)
2.1 INT% (1 improved, 1 stayed the same, 1 regressed)
100.6 QB rating (2/3 improved)
1132 DYAR (2/3 improved)
+18.0% DVOA (2/3 improved)
Admittedly, this is a pretty small sample size. It’s bearing is also predicated on Marcus Mariota staying healthy for the grand majority of the next two seasons.
Still, it’s good to see that, overall, things trend upward in year two, corroborating what many wise football minds have suggested about this offense. For what it’s worth, both Matt Schaub and Robert Griffin III were the intended starters for their offenses two years in a row, but both lost too much time to injury, in my opinion, to qualify for this comparison. In their respective year twos, Schaub clearly improved while Griffin III clearly declined.