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Seller's Remorse: Stephen Tulloch

DETROIT, MI - DECEMBER 11:  Stephen Tulloch #55 of the Detroit Lions celebrates a first quarter touchdown with teammates DeAndre Levy #54 and Corey Williams #99 while playing the Minnesota Vikings at Ford Field on December 11, 2011 in Detroit, Michigan.  (Photo by Gregory Shamus/Getty Images)

I'm not usually one to look back and say "I told you so", but for once, I'd like to do just that. Stephen Tulloch, despite being an absolute force against the run and one of the most sure tacklers in the league, was signed for the low-low price of $3.25 mm last year by the Detroit Lions, re-uniting him with Jim Schwartz and some might say lighting a fire under him to elevate his game.

Well, the Lions got their moneys' worth, Tulloch was not only his usual, dominant self against the run, he stepped up his game against the pass as well, allowing just 8.1 yards per catch, which was good for second in the league. Now, the artist formerly known as Tully is set to hit the market again, I have doubts that the Titans will make a move to bring him back given the emergence of Colin McCarthy at inside linebacker, but in retrospect, I don't think the idea to just let him walk was a great idea.

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Also, Tulloch finally forced his first turnover this year for whatever that's worth. I know that we liked to dog him for never recording a pick or forcing a fumble, but I've always thought of turnovers as more of a stat that rides a lot on consequences and has less to do with the player than the situation. Some guys are rather adept at taking the football away from the other team, but mostly I see turnovers as a consequential stat. For instance, Vince Wilfork had more interceptions this year than Jordan Babineaux. Does this mean that Wilfork was better in pass coverage? No, of course not, but he happened to be in the right place at the right time and ended up with a couple of hilarious picks.

Back to the main point, I think there's a lesson to be learned here. Tulloch was a player who, admittedly, had his flaws. He was just not very good in pass coverage last year. However, he did one thing better than a lot of current NFL players, was available for a very low cost, low risk contract, has remained extremely healthy and durable throughout his career, and is entering his prime years. Imagine if you will an alternate reality where Barret Ruud never gets to don the two-toned blue because Tulloch is brought back for a similar deal to the one that landed him in Detroit. Well, call me crazy but I think the Titans probably would have made the playoffs. Tulloch is the top free-agent inside linebacker in football this year, by all accounts, he had a really, really good year and worked hard to improve on a major shortcoming in his game. Whoever signs him is going to get a heck of a football player. In any case, there's not a really crucial need at inside linebacker right now, I seriously doubt the Titans even make an attempt to sign Tulloch back, as he will also probably command a pretty big contract after that monster year.

All in all, there's no real groundbreaking point to be taken from all of this, a lot of it is just about recognizing what could have been and about how much I actually missed Tulloch in the middle of the defense this year. However, hindsight is 20/20 as they say, here's hoping that Colin McCarthy can elevate his game above and beyond Tulloch's level.

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This here really says it all.

"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.

by criollo_pcg on Feb 22, 2012 8:28 AM CST up reply actions  

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by JustinS on Feb 22, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Trent Edwards has nightmares about this guy....Just sayin.

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by Titanluv318 on Feb 22, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Don´t undervalue turnovers..

Great players are always in position to take advantadge of the situations you mentioned.
Tulloch is a good tackler, but a great tackler can also force a fumble from time to time. Luck can´t work against a player all the time.

"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.

by criollo_pcg on Feb 22, 2012 8:32 AM CST reply actions  

Seems to be the norm around these parts.
but in retrospect, I don’t think the idea to just let him walk was a great idea.

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by rsikes on Feb 22, 2012 8:32 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

huh?

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by rothbard on Feb 22, 2012 8:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Meh. I am not too worried about it. GoldenGrams already said it

McCarthy is already better and he is the future.

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by StPrattrick on Feb 22, 2012 8:44 AM CST reply actions  

I really liked Tully, actually.

Despite his flaws, I hated to see him go.

He was an excellent tackler and great against the run—those are the two things you want out of a MLB.

I do wonder, though, how much his improvement against the pass had to do with having that beast of a defensive line in front of him. It certainly didn’t hurt.

As far as turnovers go, I kind of agree. I think fumbles are flukey. Of course, if you’re a big hitter, you’re going to force more fumbles probably, but they seem almost more like a random variable to me. Picks can be flukey as well, as you demonstrated with your about Babs, but less so. I feel like picks often to come with just flat out being better in coverage (along with other things, like the ability to confused a QB with a disguised coverage). Either way, I never worried too much about his lack of turnovers.

Still, I think McCarthy’s got a big upside and is already a playmaker, so I’m not upset about it.

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by TennesseeTyrants on Feb 22, 2012 8:46 AM CST reply actions  

Not to jump on the bandwagon...but I agree with you D. Reese

If we had Tulloch in the middle instead of Ruud the first part of the year or even the whole year our defense wouldve been better and perhaps another win means playoffs?

Tulloch was awesome against the run and we SUCKED against the run…just ask fellow MCMer aljeal who always brings it up. lol

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by Deaconbrodie on Feb 22, 2012 8:52 AM CST reply actions  

Beat me to it this time!

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by alijeal on Feb 23, 2012 3:46 AM CST up reply actions  

I also would have preferred Tully over Ruud.

But, really, that would have just been a lesser of two evils. I also defended Tully at the end of last season, but the context of the system is important.

In a traditional 4-3, Tulloch executed his primary responsibility (run support and playmaking in the middle) exceedingly well, while his secondary responsibility (pass coverage) left some things to be desired. In that sense, at least he was good at something, whereas there appeared to be no bright spots in Ruud’s game.

In Gray’s system, there are some deep, Tampa 2 type drops for the MLB. Tully would have been exposed in this aspect of the game.

I think Tulloch is a good player, but every player must be evaluated within the confines of the system which they’d play in. Heading into the 2012 season, McCarthy will be the better player for our system.

by SuperHorn on Feb 22, 2012 8:55 AM CST reply actions  

I think we're glossing over that the two sides couldn't come to a contract agreement.

We knew what we had in Tulloch. He was not what we needed going into the year. (I actually preferred Ruud at the start of the season).

He’s also not the first player to look better with Schwartz coaching him. Plus, if he’s sooooo talented, why is Detroit letting him go?

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 22, 2012 9:51 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Because they want to be like Bud! CHEAP!!!!11

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by rothbard on Feb 22, 2012 10:02 AM CST up reply actions  

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by rothbard on Feb 22, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

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by StPrattrick on Feb 22, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

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by rothbard on Feb 22, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

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by StPrattrick on Feb 22, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Feb 22, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

GTFO n00b.

"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"

by TennesseeTyrants on Feb 22, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

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by rothbard on Feb 22, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions   3 recs

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by StPrattrick on Feb 22, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Hahaha

"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"

by TennesseeTyrants on Feb 22, 2012 6:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Who said that the Lions were letting Tulloch go?

They just signed him to a 1-year contract out of expediency. I’m pretty sure there going to work hard to bring him back.

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by drgarnett on Feb 23, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope we are able to keep Tulloch in Detroit.

Lions fan here. He was a huge improvement over what we had in 2010, although our overall defensive statistics were worse than in 2010.

Stephen was a guy who played almost every snap, and made some big plays for us. I had heard that he was very poor against the pass, but that is not what we saw. He looked very good dropping back and had two INTs, both of them very big in comeback wins against Dallas and Carolina.
I was a little disappointed in his tackling, as he missed a number of tackles near the line. That was something I did not expect to see.

"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!

by NorthLeft12 on Feb 22, 2012 12:01 PM CST reply actions  

Who wouldn't have preferred Tully over Ruud?

That’s a moronic question. Besides, what makes you think we would’ve even drafted McCarthy if we retained Tully? In hindsight, I’m glad we let him walk, even if it means we had to go through Ruud to get him.

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by TitanNDCClothing on Feb 22, 2012 1:05 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

I think we would have drafted McCarthy regardless

Tully and Ruud both got one year deals and we saw neither as the long term answer. The real question is would Colin have seen the field if Tully was here.

by -Erock on Feb 22, 2012 4:00 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I think we would've gotten a MLB, yes.

Would it be McCarthy in that specific pick? I feel like the odds decrease when the spot is not as glaring of a need (if we had opted to retain Tully). And Tully may not have been a long term answer, but he was more long term than Ruud; we just didn’t want to pay the man.

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by TitanNDCClothing on Feb 22, 2012 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

We did pay Ruud $4m ... !!!!!!!

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