"Can someone name me one big name FA we've ever signed?"
by StPrattrick on Feb 20, 2012 8:27 PM CST
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Interesting Topic was brought up today in one of our threads, the question "Can someone name me one big name FA we've ever signed?" was asked. After talking with a few people, I've decided to now and forever bring to the attention of people that follow MCM;
We Do Actually Sign Big Name FA. - This is not a valid excuse to blame the Titans on because we did not sign "Your Guy".
Let's JUMP into this:
Let's start with recent years of FA signings:
2010 -
Will Witherspoon: 3rd round pick for the Panthers - final year before a Titan he was an Eagle. First game as an Eagle, Witherspoon recorded six tackles, an interception (returned for a touchdown), sack, and a forced fumble. Has been a cornerstone for a reconstructed LB group while young-up-and-comers are waiting in the wings. Solid-team player. 103 tackles - 5 sacks - 3 INTs. Verdict: SOLID SIGNING
THE Randy Moss: 1st round pick for the Vikings - HOF WR - doesn't get any bigger then Moss. of course ended in terribly, but KennyB says what Moss was able to teach him in his little time here was invaluable. Verdict: Meh, but awesome if Moss's teachings help KennyB go into full-on-beast-mode
2009 -
Nate Washington: undrafted - like Mike Wallace before he learned how to properly catch. Big signing for us, 6 year deal - 27 mill. Just posted his first 1,000 yard season while filling in for injured KennyB. and fought his way into all of our hearts this season. Verdict: I LOVE ALL-STATE!!!!
2008-
Jake Scott: 5th round pick by the Colts - prior to the Titans, He started nine games in his rookie year and was selected for the 2004 Football Digest All-Rookie Team. Scott started all 16 games in 2005and 2006, including the post-season and Super Bowl XLI , a victory over the Bears in February 2007. With the Titans helped produce a 2,000 yard rusher and part of one of the best pass blocking O-lines in the league. Verdict: Overall Great Signing.
Alge Crumpler: 2nd round pick by the Falcons - prior to the Titans he was one the top TEs in the league, posted 3 Pro-Bowl appearances. In his time with the Titans, he was a solid duel threat TE, but far better as a blocker. Big part of Chris Johnson's 2,000 yard season. Verdict: Awesome Signing
Jevon Kearse: 1st round pick by the Titans: Everything about Kearse's time here as a Titan was incredible. He left the Titans for the Eagles for a few short years, but got to end his career in a Titans jersey. Verdict: Great signing to bring him back home.
2007-
Nick Harper: undrafted - with Indy posted 15 INTs and winning a Super Bowl ring the Titans brought in Harper on a 3 year deal. Verdict: Well, he was pretty good when he wasn't a Titan!
Bryan Scott: 2nd round pick by the Falcons - prior to being a Titan, he In his rookie season, Scott led all defensive backs with 63 tackles despite only starting six contests in 15 total games. Finished tied for team-high special teams with 13 tackles. In 2004, he started all 16 games at strong safety and ranked third on the team with 85 tackles and 2.5 sacks, and one interception, including 7 tackles in the NFC Championship Game against the Philadelphia Eagles. Unfortunately, did nothing as a Titan. Verdict: No good.
2006- Big Year for FA's
David Givens: 7th round pick for the Patriots - Givens signed a 5-year deal worth $24 million with the Titans in 2006. Thought we found our big receiving threat... Givens had other plans. Injured week 10. Missed 2007. Released in 2008. Verdict: Stupid Anterior Cruciate Ligaments...
Chris Hope: 3rd round pick for the Steelers - "In 2004 Chris Hope became the starting free safety for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Chris Hope would pick up 58 tackles forcing one fumble, four pass deflections, and intercept one pass with a return of 41 yards.In 2005 Chris Hope would once again start as Free Safety for the Pittsburgh Steelers. He had 69 tackles forcing one fumble, and he picked off 3 passes with a total of 60 return yards. Chris Hope was one of the many who helped the Pittsburgh Steelers reach and win Super Bowl XL" - Wiki. Hope signed a 6 year contract with the Titans. Registered 16 INTs here. Been a solid SS for years until his play started declining in the last 2 years. Verdit: Good Signing.
Kevin Mawae: 2nd round pick for the Seahawks - First season earned All-Rookie-Honors and then decided to get really freakin' good after that. Went on to go to 6 consecutive Pro-Bowls prior to coming to the Titans to lead a 2,000 yard rusher to the promise land. Voted team Capt. Helped Cheeseburger White get over 1,000 yards (that is an honor itself) and got a few more Pro Bowls in the process. Verdict: One of our best FA signings. Ever.
David Thronton: 4th round pick by the Colts - Thornton best season came in 2003 when he led the Colts with 145 tackles and made two interceptions. Great speedy LB for the Colts. Tackling machine with the Titans, career cut short by injuries. Awesome team leader. Verdict: Good Signing.
2005- The Year of KVB
Kyle Vanden Bosh: 2nd round pick by the Cardinals - KVB... I just want you to know, I love you and I miss you and I don't regret it. KVB did nothing as a Cardinal, but the Titans decided... "Hey you wear red contacts and scream a lot, you must be pretty freakin' awesome!" and he was. KVB's best years were as a Titan and I wish he was still here. Verdict: I love you.
There you have it. I am only going to go back 8 years, but that is plenty of evidence for people to stop saying "We Don't Sign ANYONE!!!!1!1" If there is ever a time where your brain is trying to trick you into thinking otherwise, do not fret - Pratt has your back. Always remember that.
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Those aren't big names...you gotta do it like
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by rothbard on Feb 20, 2012 9:01 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Somehow I feel like you just gave the evidence for "We never sign big FA"
rather than the contrary. Out of all those players Kevin Mawae may be the biggest FA name.
We sign 2nd, 3rd tier FA’s …. always.
For the Jake of argument ...
by BythePowerofMunchak! on Feb 20, 2012 9:43 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I would say we spend our money well when signing FAs
for the most part at least.
And I would not call Moss – Mawae – Hope – Travis Henry – Crumpler – Scott – Washington (at the time he was signed) 2nd/3rd tier guys. They were all top FA for their years.
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Makes no sense without a definition of "tier"
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"Tier" would be subjective too - especially since given the year, at one point Chris Hope would be a Top Tier Safety
Most of our signings are coming off either Super Bowl appearances or recently posting the best seasons of their career.
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so we like to sign players right AFTER they do some of their best work ...
meaning we get the downslope of most of their career …. that’s not top FA signing to me.
Top FA are in their prime and are ready to make heavy contributions the year they are signed. That right there rules out most of the above list …. IMO the only players in their prime would have been Chris Hope, Nate Washington and maybe Jake Scott (gee what a nice prime).
For the Jake of argument ...
by BythePowerofMunchak! on Feb 21, 2012 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
Somebody agree with datboyevans?
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Feb 21, 2012 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
Actually...Scott was pretty good until this year.
And a TON of guys put in their “best work” the year before they become a free agent. Why? Because they’re going to be a free agent and want the huge contract! Look no further than our former own Fat Albert, who put together back-to-back monster seasons when he was in his final year then franchised. You tell me that wasn’t his best work and that his contract with the Redskins was not done AFTER he did some of his best work?
That line is just silly man, come on now.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 21, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
Tier 1, elite FA's that are heavily touted and highly coveted... they receive a lot of attention and press during the offseason... perhaps even before the offseason
Tier 2, solid players that have developed skill and usually come off a productive year or a successful team but don’t have elite stats or skill sets
Tier 3, basically anyone else
For the Jake of argument ...
by BythePowerofMunchak! on Feb 21, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
Teir 1 - Randy Moss
and you seem to forget we have the 2nd highest paid RB ever in the league – how well has throwing a shit ton of money at big named-tier 1 worked out for us so far?
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BUT WE DIDN'T SIGN EVERY BIG NAME!!!11
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 20, 2012 10:05 PM CST reply actions
WE NEED TO SIGN EVERYONE!!!!!1
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by StPrattrick on Feb 20, 2012 10:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
COME HOME EVERYONE!!!1
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Feb 20, 2012 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
I think a better post would be
Looking at all the “big name” free agents of the past decade and seeing how many of those guys helped push their teams to the next level versus how many of those teams ended up worse.
That’s really the whole point…will your team be better by signing these “big name” free agents or will it be worse?
by shawneriksmith on Feb 20, 2012 11:10 PM CST reply actions
Maybe that will be my next post
This was basically a reference guide for those that think we “NEVER SPEND DA MONIES!!!” or “WE DON’T SIGN ANYONE!!!!1”
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by StPrattrick on Feb 21, 2012 7:37 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
i like 'WE DON'T SIGN ANYONE' -
that is really good. We only sign the best guys who are cheap.
Chris Hope was Horrible & Nick Harper was even more Horrendous. They join the top 3 worse FREE AGENT SIGNINGS with:
#1. That collins guy
#2. Nick f’n Harper (there goes another loss coverage thx to this guy)
- Chris Hope (if you can’t tackle, why are you playing in the NFL)
by titanwarrior1 on Feb 21, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
This comment is fucking ridiculous
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by gramsey712 on Feb 21, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Started typing out a long RageComment
when This is all I really wanted to say.
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by StPrattrick on Feb 21, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
You are RidiCulous
I’m just happy that there is no Collins, Harper, or Hope on our Roster finally!!!
by titanwarrior1 on Feb 21, 2012 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe, you are Kerry Collins only Fan
& I hated every play that Kerry performed for us.
Which explains why you are the only one on this site that mocks my comments…
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by titanwarrior1 on Feb 21, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
You hated Kerry Collins when he quarterbacked us to the AFC's #1 seed?
You are pretty hard to please.
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I hated Kerry Collins since the day he was born.
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by StPrattrick on Feb 21, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
That is true hate.
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by StPrattrick on Feb 21, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
Our Defense led us to the AFC's #1 Seed that year....
Then in that AFC Divisional game, we lost because Mawae & CJ got injured, then Collins could NOT get down the field in the second half. If he was a talented QB; he wouldn’t need have to rely on other players to get the job done.
Let’s just give every QB credit because that athlete played for us…
by titanwarrior1 on Feb 21, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
So our defense led us?
Weren’t Chris Hope and Nick Harper parts of that defense?
Or are you gonna keep trying to have it both ways?
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by gramsey712 on Feb 21, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
mwahahahaha lolololololol
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by StPrattrick on Feb 21, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, but not the point
If Nick Harper would have been able to cover Derrick Mason & Collins knew how to throw completions, we wouldn’t be having this conversation on why we lossed that game several years ago!
by titanwarrior1 on Feb 21, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
So both ways is your answer
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by gramsey712 on Feb 21, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
ZOMG MCM Contributor gang up!!! OMG get ready everyone this is hilarious
For the Jake of argument ...
by BythePowerofMunchak! on Feb 21, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah...
If you have a group of MCM Contributors ganging up on you about something, it’s time to just give it up, no matter if you’re right or wrong.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Feb 21, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
I would say this time we are pretty much right
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hold up son
Did you use “we” in reference to contributors??? UPGRADE!!!!1
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by StPrattrick on Feb 21, 2012 7:24 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Correct
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Whoa now, so it's Collins' fault that CJ got hurt?
It’s Collins’ fault that Crumpler fumbled when he was inside the five? He was not always the best here, but give credit to him for doing what he did in 2008 in getting us to 13-3.
Also, when they were signed Hope and Harper were both very good players.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 21, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Both coming off Super Bowl appearances
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by StPrattrick on Feb 21, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
And.....
People give too much credit to players who appeared in a Super Bowl. That doesn’t make a player any more valuable because they appeared in a Super Game…
Nick Harper won a super bowl ring because of his prior QB; Peyton.
Kerry Collins visited 2 Super Bowls because the Panthers & Giants both had great Defenses when he was on their team. Will anyone ever remember that Collins was behind Eli 7 years ago? NO
Will anyone ever remember what Kerry did when he lossed his first super bowl appearance? NO
I think it is hilarious that some of you give this Collins guy so much credit & I bet all of you that liked Collins, hated Vunce!
Those of us that hate Collins, probably liked Vunce….
by titanwarrior1 on Feb 21, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
That is not the point - there stocks were inflated by Super Bowl appearances
Much how like everyone thinks Mario Manningham is a great WR because he had a decent game in the SB, except he’s sucked for pretty much his entire time on the Giants.
He would be commanding Top Top dollar if he hit the FA market this year though.
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by StPrattrick on Feb 21, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
can you quit saying "lossed?"
it’s really hard to take you seriously when you don’t understand that the past tense of “lose” is “lost.” this isn’t a you’re/your or there/their/they’re typo, you are screwing up a simple conjugation that we all learned in kindergarten.
by jhumbrac on Feb 27, 2012 6:58 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
there/they're/their are just as bad
if a person consistently makes the mistake. sometimes muscle memory does screw ya, though.
the worst, though? loose for “lose”
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It is not CJ's fault or anyone elses Fault
but Collins Fault alone. It is his job to make the plays. When a player goes down, another player has to step up in their stead. Even if our depth was horrible back then behind CJ. It is still Collins’ job to win the game.
But, no his only role as a Titan was to throw in-completions & help Fisher win on Defense & FG’s.
by titanwarrior1 on Feb 21, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
So he did what the coach wanted him to?!
Holy shit, what the hell was Collins thinking going along with the gameplan and doing what the coaching staff wanted!
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 21, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
Can we please...
STOP TALKING ABOUT THE 08’ PLAYOFF LOSS!!! I don’t want to start having those nightmares again… I still have holes in my sheet rock I haven’t fixed thanks to that shitty, shitty, night…
That was thanks to our defense...
Collins had little to do with that. Like saying Trent Dilfer won the Super Bowl with the Ravens without mentioning they had the best defense in the league.
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by The Titans are greater than the Gods on Feb 28, 2012 6:33 AM CST up reply actions
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by StPrattrick on Feb 21, 2012 8:26 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
All of the above
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by gramsey712 on Feb 21, 2012 8:27 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Pratt made a logical and well-thought out post?
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Feb 20, 2012 11:52 PM CST reply actions
THIS IS SPARTA!!!
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by The Titans are greater than the Gods on Feb 28, 2012 6:35 AM CST up reply actions
Kenny Stabler, Dave Casper, Warren Moon
Although I think Stabler & Casper were traded if memory serves (for Dan Pastorini).
(Man, I’m old).
you forgot my best man that we signed
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by candian titans fan on Feb 25, 2012 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
So, for the Name-Recognition-Is-Most-Important crowd...
What are some examples of a big name FA signing that propelled the team to a Super Bowl?
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I'm sure you could find a couple of players that definitely were "big names" and helped their teams
But I would bet that >80% of all the “big name” free agents that went to different teams didn’t improve their teams that much.
by shawneriksmith on Feb 21, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
Look at the Eagles...
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by StPrattrick on Feb 21, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
Or the Jets
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by StPrattrick on Feb 21, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
Or the Redskins
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by StPrattrick on Feb 21, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
I want to be controversial...
I’m gonna say the Bears signing Julius Peppers really hasn’t done much for them as far as improving the team as a whole. He’s been very good there but that defense was already good before he arrived.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 21, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't say that is all to controversial... I completely agree with you
and it kinda goes with my point of the post. We spend money on names that are going to take us to the next level (or at least think they will).
Spending a crap-ton on Peppers didn’t really change their defense, just gave them another playmaker.
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by StPrattrick on Feb 21, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Right, but all FA acquisitions aren't equal.
By that I mean having a guy like Peppers doesn’t have a nearly as pronounced of an effect on the Bears as it would with a team like the Titans. That one acquisition alone would have taken this defense to a different level last year.
Hey Peppers helped them to the NFC Title and #1 seed in his first year.
Peppers was a bigger help than people believe. Without him the Bears would of had to draft a DE. Heck I would love to see the Bears go after Mario. Now that would be a new look to the Monsters of the Midway.
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by Titans_Firefighter on Feb 21, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
Mario and Peppers - No thank you.
either way, won’t happen. They still need to sign their only receiver – Forte.
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by StPrattrick on Feb 21, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
Yes they need to sign Forte but you got to admit that Mario and Peppers on the Bears would be INSANE!!!!!!!!!
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by Titans_Firefighter on Feb 21, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
And put Suh on that line then ZOMG!!!!111111
UNLIMITED MONIES!!!!!11
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by StPrattrick on Feb 21, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry Bears not want Dirty players on their team.
Bears play hard, tough and clean. These arent your fathers Bears.
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by Titans_Firefighter on Feb 21, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
pffffft!
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by StPrattrick on Feb 21, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
You know I'm right.
Hello Bears are the Local team so I know as much about them as I do with the Titans.
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by Titans_Firefighter on Feb 21, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
Actually I really hope Urlacher recovers from that injury last year
he’s one of my fav. LBs in the league still.
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by StPrattrick on Feb 21, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That and he went to New Mexico State.
Oh and when he was in College he played SAFETY!!!!!! I’d be scared shitless if i saw him at safety going across the middle.
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by Titans_Firefighter on Feb 21, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Love Urlacher.
Unlike certain LBs from a team in Baltimore, I respect the hell out of Urlacher and loves how he plays the game without being an ass.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 21, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
I agree, but that being said we had other priorities last year (CJ)
Yes a player like Peppers would have taken this defense to the next level, but did meh-upgrade for the Bears overall defense last year.
There is only so much cap space to make such a big splash.
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by StPrattrick on Feb 21, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
Think they would still take that?
… eh? Eh?! .. no
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by StPrattrick on Feb 21, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Then move up for Trent Richardson. Boom! /superbowl'd
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Hell I'd swap CJ for Foster if we just have to have a $10m+/yr RB
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Doesn't matter. Foster wouldn't do well either with our run blocking upfront.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Feb 21, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
Totally
TO to the Eagles got them to a SuperBowl!!
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quote:
What are some examples of a big name FA signing that propelled the team to a Super Bowl?
I don’t see the word “win” in your sentence there.
Why can’t you accept an answer to your question w/o moving the target?
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by oilertitan on Feb 21, 2012 7:45 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Randy Moss
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NO REALLY I LITERALLY BLEED TWO TONE BLUE!!! That operation to dye my blood was the best $100,000 I ever spent
EAGLES will take MARIO
if we think about teams who pay the most $ to FA additions. It is usually PHI, DAL, WAS, or NE.
I would love for us to sign Mario, but it’s not who can get him, it’s who gives him the best contract & that won’t be our FO..
WAS has Orakpo, Washburn will want a new DE to play with…
by titanwarrior1 on Mar 1, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
Kurt Warner and Drew Brees come to mind.
This isn’t FA, but the acquisition of Randy Moss by the Patriots came within one play of elevating them to the best team in NFL history.
Like I said you could find a couple of examples (and Kurt Warner wasn't a "big name" when the Cardinals signed him)
But, for every example of a “big name” that helped a team, I could find 5-6 “big name” free agents that didn’t help their team.
by shawneriksmith on Feb 21, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
... Warner wasn't a big name? Wha... what?!
- Greatest Show On Turf
- 2 time Super Bowl MVP
- NFL MVP
… seriously?
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by StPrattrick on Feb 21, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
1 time Super Bowl MVP Prat.
Warner is 1-2 in Super Bowls
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by Titans_Firefighter on Feb 21, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
Crap you are right
point is, he is def. not a “No-Name”
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by StPrattrick on Feb 21, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Oh by no means is he a "No-Name" guy for sure.
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by Titans_Firefighter on Feb 21, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Kurt Warner was not a big name free agent signing in AZ
Yes he had success, but at that point in his career he had already been benched in stl for bulger, benched in nyc for eli, and was essentially only signed in arizona to be leinart’s backup. people assumed his career was basically over. the warner to az signing was the equivalent of the titans bringing in ruud
Except Ruud didn't do anything. Yes, teams viewed him as past his prime... but clearly the Cardinals didn't
and the Cardinals signed Warner 1 year before Leinart got to AZ, which they ended up extending his contract for 3 years prior to drafting Leinart.
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by StPrattrick on Feb 27, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
So you're trying to say that Arizona had so much confidence in Warner
that they then drafted Matt Leinart the following year? I think the Cardinals also viewed Warner as past his prime and nothing more than a stop gap while they scrambled for a franchise qb. They clearly did not view him as franchise guy when they signed him or they wouldn’t have spent a first round pick the next year.
Kurt Warner was 33-34 then, they had to at least think he wasn't going to hold up 2-3 more seasons
draft a 1st round QB to take over for him when he starts breaking down.
Worked for the Packers…
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So you’re trying to say that Arizona had so much confidence in Warner
that they then drafted Matt Leinart the following year?
Kurt Warner tore his MCL in Week 15 in 2005.
The Cards didn’t know if he would be able to play in 2006.
When the Colts draft Andrew Luck, it won’t be because they weren’t confident in Peyton Manning.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Feb 27, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
Typically, I'm not on board with the whole big FA signing bandwagon.
The exception is Super Mario this year. I think due to a variety of circumstances his perceived value is lower than it should be. That’s not to say that he won’t command top10 money. He will. I just don’t think he’ll get Julius Peppers money.
Even with the gigantic contract attached to him, he’ll present decent value. His addition alone makes this defense a top 10 unit.
As for the Patriots
I would say the trade for Welker had a big impact on their offensive explosion that year. And, Welker was not a “big name” when Miami traded him to the Patriots.
by shawneriksmith on Feb 21, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think Alge Fumbler was an awesome sign
I agree he helped CJ get his yards but you would think someone of his talent could hold on to a football. When I think of our playoff demise the first thought that comes to mind is him fumbling inside the redzone. Awesome signing at the start but overlooking those whole time I just see his stint with us as just great run blocking
His leadership and blocking was awesome for us.
unfortunately, his fumble is what everyone will remember.
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by StPrattrick on Feb 21, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
His blocking was invaluable.
He was better than Scott/Amano/Harris at run blocking.
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He should have never had the ball in his hands to begin with
And absolutely never been trying so hard for extra yardage.
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by gramsey712 on Feb 21, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
shoulda woulda coulda
he sho did though.
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by BythePowerofMunchak! on Feb 21, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
So that one play makes him a bad free agent signing?
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by gramsey712 on Feb 21, 2012 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Sure, why not?
One bad season makes CJ’s 4 year extension a bad signing, doesn’t it?
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Feb 27, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
having Crump was like having a third tackle, that guy cold block the shit out of fools.
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by D. Reese on Feb 21, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
To put a new spin on the debate....
….How many great teams resign their great players which in turn helps them win, get to the Superbow?
the Titans seem to do less resigning of their great players, the recent CJ signing aside
…and perhaps that is why one of the reasons we have not made it to the big game. I mean just recently we let Tulloch, KVB, and Babin go and they all have had good to great years with the Lions and Eagles. In the past we let Derrick Mason go and he went on to have numerous great years with the Ravens… We let Kearse go when he was playing well, the same for Albert Haynesworth. Now I know some resigning contracts would have been way too high…AH is case in point. I am sure there are many other great Titans players we’ve let go too in the last decade.
It would be neat to compare the past Superbowl teams and how well they do in retaining their best players against the Titans.
Just food for further thought and debate.
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The majority of the FA we let go from the team saw their best playing days in a Titans uniform.
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by StPrattrick on Feb 21, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
I dont think I agree with the "majority" part.
I currently dont have the time to look up all the stats on every high caliber player we’ve let walk but here are the guys I mentioned above…I am sure there are more guys we’ve let go too. And if we let Cortland Finnegan walk, thats just another high caliber player we didnt resign.
Derrick Mason — he was getting too old but in 6 seasons with ravens he had 5,777 yards, 30 TDs…only 2 seasons he didnt get 1000 yards.
Jason Babin – 18 sacks last year with Philly
Stephen Tulloch – 111 tackles, 2 FF, 2 Int, 3 sacks…and Lions fans think hes been great
KVB – 8 sacks, 4 FF…he wouldve led our team last year.
Kearse – 15 sacks, 5 FF in the two years with the Eagles after we let him go.
Thats just five guys. Throw some more names out there we didnt resign.
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by Deaconbrodie on Feb 21, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
DMase was cut because of Floyd Reese's cap hell
The team couldn’t do anything about him.
Tulloch demanded money he was not worth and signed with Detroit for 1 million. I think McCarthy is better.
KVB has to have a dominant defensive tackle for him to be successful. He would not have put up those numbers as a Titan.
Kearse & Babin I will concede. But Jon Runyan was the one free agent that should have never been allowed to walk.
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And Finnegan is gonna be in the same boat with Tulloch
He will sign with Detroit for less than he is demanding from the Titans and then everybody will flip the fuck out cause we let him walk.
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by gramsey712 on Feb 21, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Crap and one guy who we didn't even let play a friggin regular season game
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Feb 25, 2012 10:33 PM CST up reply actions
that was one season before my MCM debut
But I was watching eapn and saw who we cut and was like “WTF JEFF!!! ARE YOU LOSING YOUR MIND!!!”
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I said, "Best Playing Days"
Babin – sure, i’ll give you that, but we are the ones that turned his career around for him and ultimately won in that deal.
Kearse – best playing days were in a Titans uniform
Haynesworth – best playing days in a Titans uniform
KVB – again, resurrected his career, best playing days were in a Titans uniform.
Travis LaBoy – best playing days in a Titans uniform
Odom – has had a solid career in Cinci until he got into his troubles – probably let him go at the right time.
Chris Brown – only was relevant here
Drew Bennet – best days in a Titans uniform
Really I can’t find anyone we had a chance to sign, but just let walk only to turn around and blow-up in the league.
Jury is still out on Babin
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by StPrattrick on Feb 21, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
Seems like we typically let a player walk just at the right time.
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by StPrattrick on Feb 21, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
And it's a bit of stretch to say "we just let them walk." on some of these.
A few of these guys were wanted back and had some contract talks, but turned their noses up at our offers.
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by J3G77 on Feb 21, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Kinda like C.Finn... ?
we offer them money and they don’t want it, what more could we do?
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by StPrattrick on Feb 21, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
I guess Bud should've held a gun to their head and made them sign.
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by StPrattrick on Feb 21, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
WE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN RUNYAN WAS GOING TO RUN FOR CONGRESS!!!!11111
WE SCREW UP EVERYTHING!!!!!11
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by StPrattrick on Feb 21, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
i never understood we let that guy go
by candian titans fan on Feb 25, 2012 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
who?
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Feb 26, 2012 8:20 AM CST up reply actions
Babin & Blount
will not be long term players, I assure you. That is why they are gone!
by titanwarrior1 on Mar 1, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
Re:
the Titans seem to do less resigning of their great players, the recent CJ signing aside
The reason they haven’t made it to the SB is they haven’t had an elite QB since Steve McNair.
People get caught up in teams like the Saints, Colts, Patriots, Giants (I guess), and Steelers having success for a variety of moves. Bottom line, they have an elite QB running the show. A top 5 QB virtually masks most deficiencies of GM’s and coaches alike.
I agree with that.
I was just trying to stir the pot some more…get some more debate.
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by Deaconbrodie on Feb 21, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
The best point in sports punditry
Keeping this one fact in mind would elevate almost every NFL discussion and would’ve prevented the hiring of most of the NFL’s worst coaches (who are frequently coordinators from teams with great QBs)
I don't think anyone here is saying that this football team has made the right decision every time when it comes to player transactions
But the tired, old, ignorant, cliche’d “we don’t sign big names” and “we never resign our best players” really need to stop.
Nothing happens in a vacuum. The player personnel on this team are paid to evaluate players and put a value on their services. It’s not as easy as we make it out to be.
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by gramsey712 on Feb 21, 2012 12:07 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I say we usually make the best decisions for the team, even though they are the unpopular choices.
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by StPrattrick on Feb 21, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Yep, from a sentimental standpoint it sucks, sure.
But from a football/business perspective, this franchise does a very good job of identifying a guy’s value to this team, and knowing when it is time to move on. The exceptions have been the cap hell years and David Givens going down to injury before getting to step onto the field (though I would say that may have been a poor signing to begin with).
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 21, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
I still think the CJ signing was a bad move
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by rothbard on Feb 21, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
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Yeah because CJ was the only one playing bad behind our shitty interior line...
Good call rothbrad.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Feb 21, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Meh, he looked bad when he wasn't behind them too
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Yeah, that 36-yard sideline catch was really bad.
So was that 20-yard lob catch. Oh, and on that play where he was about to catch a TD pass and he got held up, and STILL managed to get his fingertips within inches of the ball? TERRIBLE!
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Feb 21, 2012 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
So one catch and an incomplete pass make him worth $50M?????
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I think you need a math tutor, because apparently you can't count.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Feb 21, 2012 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
You got me on that one
TWO catches and an incomplete pass. That makes all the difference. Definitely worth $50M now
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Now you're getting it.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Feb 22, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
You said he looked bad when he wasn't behind the offensive line
I gave you examples of how he didn’t look back when he wasn’t behind the offensive line. You take my examples and twist them into making it look like I’m trying to justify him have a 50 million dollar contract, when I’m not doing that.
I know you have a fetish with manipulating people’s words, rothbrad, but you gotta get that under control.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Feb 22, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
*didn’t look bad when
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Feb 22, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
I think he has a pretty fair point.
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You, dumb ass.
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by StPrattrick on Feb 22, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The contract is the point, since this little subthread was in the context of "CJ signing was a bad move"
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And my point is that the CJ signing is a multi-year deal
and last season the running game in general was terrible because our run blocking was atrocious.
Saying the CJ signing was a bad move is easy as hell to say now, but it’s too early.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Mar 1, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
But at least the workers of the world (and hal) are happy
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Absolutely agreed.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 21, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
I still think people that say this are speaking too soon.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Feb 21, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
The Constant Debate:
Does the offensive line impact the value of the RB?
OR
Does the RB impact the value of the offensive line?
As long as we get a G by the end of the 2nd round, then CJ is forced to prove his contract…
& Stop H8ing on CJ because he got paid. If everyone got paid like him, then there will be no $…
by titanwarrior1 on Feb 21, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not hating on CJ for getting paid
I’m hating on him for sucking
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by rothbard on Feb 21, 2012 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
*This
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by Titans_Firefighter on Feb 22, 2012 12:37 AM CST up reply actions
So much green
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I think people are speaking too soon as well.
Lets give him another year before we put him on the chopping block…I think his past performances have earned him that right. Give him a full off season and an upgraded offensive line and a mobile QB.
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I hear this Kevin Carter was pretty good lol
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Feb 21, 2012 12:13 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
He played out his contract.
and he did damn well here.
He retired 3 years after being a Titan, again seems like we let him walk at the right time.
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by StPrattrick on Feb 21, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
we almost always let people walk at the right time ... we just rarely sign someone who is on the verge of breaking out and becoming productive
Nate Washington was kinda like that … but it still took him 3 years to do it.
For the Jake of argument ...
by BythePowerofMunchak! on Feb 21, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
Most FA are not "breakout" players.
Those guys are usually the ones re-signed by their current team. Free agency is not about finding those up-and-coming guys who still have a ceiling, that’s what the draft is for (and the draft is the key to a championship team, let’s go ahead and say that). Free agency is about filling the holes and each team has a different approach. This team signs guys who can come in and fill holes but at the same time don’t break the bank, and I have no problem with that. Those “productive” guys usually don’t get to leave their current team unless the contract demands are astronomical or the team has a different value on them than the player.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 21, 2012 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
This depends, we usually put up some pretty nice offer forth
problem is, they typically think they are worth significantly more then what we are offering…
i.e. Haynesworth, C.Finn., Tully, etc.
I, personally, am glad we don’t fall into that trap.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Feb 22, 2012 2:25 AM CST up reply actions
Here is an even better article about our spendings in FA
written by the dudes at Total Titans
So shut up about it
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