Mocking the Draft Live Draft Recap
The 1st edition of the 2012 MtD Live Draft has come and gone. I'd like to thank everyone who participated in the War Rooms. There was a good amount of dialogue, be it positive or negative. 600+ comments in two different threads! It's definitely a feature I might consider bringing back for future MtD Live Drafts. I was the commissioner for Round 1 as SHAS had to be elsewhere. A shoutout to seton hall and steelers for running the draft and all the other GMs who participated. Another shout out to jlomas, who was my assistant GM via email. A special thank you to Jimmy for putting up with me during this effort. Anyways, enough of me blathering on, picks and analysis after the jump! JUMP!
Analysis - I chose Brown because he was BPA of a moderate need at the OLB position. He's a freak athlete at 6'1 235 that runs a 4.4-4.5 40. Brown also has the natural instincts of a LB and the skill set to be a star in the NFL. He had a productive Senior Bowl experience, showing the world why he deserves the billing of top 4-3 LB in the country. The 20th pick was also in discussion to be traded knowing that the top pass rushers would be gone. A quick note on everyone who was set on Barron, I looked at him very closely but decided his injury history was too much to ignore along with other needs as well. Once you get past the fact that he isn't Mark Barron (much to the chagrin of MCM), he's a solid player. Besides imagine a LB corps of Ayers-McCarthy-Brown, that would be beast.
(2. 52) Kelechi Osemele OG/OT Iowa State -
Analysis - This was a need pick and worked out well for my goal of waiting out the Guard class as it was pretty deep. Osemele is a versatile lineman, having played LT and Guard during his career. He has long arms, quick feet and is good athlete for his size (6'3 330+). He's an equal blocker in terms of run block and pass block.
(3. 84) Leonard Johnson CB Iowa State -
Analysis - Another need pick here considering the potential of losing Finnegan to free agency and a 3rd CB behind Verner and McCourty. Johnson has the size and speed necessary to be a starter one day. He really showed well during Senior Bowl week, which moved his stock up to at least 2nd round status. We may have gotten a steal here. The fact that his teammate Osemele was taken by me earlier had no bearing.
(4. 116) Jake Bequette DE/OLB Arkansas -
Analysis - After much cajoling and varying degrees of consternation from the War Room participants, I decided to draft a DE. Bequette was BPA DE at the time we picked. He's another guy who had a good showing at the Senior Bowl. showing teams he could play OLB in a 3-4 scheme that Jerry Gray would like to mix in on occasion. He has the typical size that Gray wants to see in his DEs too.
(6.171) Darron Thomas QB Oregon -
Analysis - We traded down from our 5th round pick (148) to 171 and 204 as there were no worthy prospects of the 5th round caliber left. I chose Darron Thomas as a 3rd string project QB that will eventually become Locker's backup. DT has the ideal skill set to run the offense I envision as a mobile QB with a strong arm once he is ready and available should the unthinkable happen and Locker miss some time. The transition to DT should be a lot easier should it happen since we don't have to blow up a mobile QB system to fit a pocket passer.
(6. 180) Trenton Robinson FS Michigan State -
Analysis - A mix of BPA and need pick for this one. Robinson is a quality Safety that somehow slipped through the cracks to #180 when he was given a 3-4 round grade on some websites. Another possible steal for us here. Despite the many opinions of dissent, I had an idea that the other GMs would neglect the S position and knew that Robinson would fall to us in the 6th. I leave you a tweet from Wes Bunting himself about him: #MichiganState FS Trenton Robinson displays quick, balanced feet, can close w/o much wasted motion, tighter to turn and run #seniorbowl
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(7. 204) Grant Garner C Oklahoma State -
Analysis - The center that led Oklahoma State's explosive offense to new heights. Garner is a good run blocker but an even better pass blocker, protecting Brandon Weeden. He could be another late round gem that Coach Munchak and Matthews can mold into an effective starter some day.
(7. 212) Lavasier Tuinei WR Oregon -
Analysis - A big bodied WR (6'5 210) that was productive for an explosive Oregon offense despite being a predominantly run first spread team and showed out during the 2012 Rose Bowl. He's a physical WR who isn't afraid to punish defenders after the catch and in the run block game. LT has pretty good speed for a guy his size (4.5-4.6) and provides a nice big target anywhere for Locker/Hass. Another benefit is that he's familiar with our 6th round pick, Darron Thomas. His father Van, played DE for the Chargers so the NFL bloodline is there. LT will develop into a quality starter beside Kenny Britt.
In closing, I planned out every pick that I made during the draft with various sources, including MCM ahead of time. So in essence, I knew that spurning Barron would cause a lot of negative reaction here but stuck to my plan. The War Room was an exercise to get the community involved as a whole and that proved wildly successful. It also provided me another chance to fine tune my plan by opening it up to others to provide valuable input. Although some of the MCM community won't like my draft because of 1 pick, I implore you to look at the draft as whole. I feel that my draft was a solid one that filled needs and wants. Other GMs have commended this class as solid group. It doesn't mean my draft plan wasn't better or worse than anyone else just because it was different.Learn to relax folks, it's only the 1st live draft, there will be 1 or 2 more.
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Props to you noles for your effort with this....BUT....
I do not agree with this.
I chose Brown because he was BPA of a moderate need at the OLB position.First of all, I don’t think LB is one of our pressing needs right now. Secondly, I don’t think Zach could be considered BPA when there was still Floyd, Wright & Still available. But that’s just my opinion…and you know what they say about those, right?
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by titansfan4ever on Feb 19, 2012 11:21 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
the most reasonable criticism right here in this post, I understand it
Everyone else is constantly attacking the Brown pick
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Feb 19, 2012 1:40 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
to further clarify, I got sick of the fact that everyone in the war room was attacking the Brown pick every 2 minutes in the War Rooms. what's done is done and let it be.
there will be other drafts
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Feb 19, 2012 1:45 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Then why did you want our input?
If you want it to be your call, so be it, but don’t ask us what you think we should do.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 19, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I wanted to get the community involved to a certain extent so they have some say
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Feb 19, 2012 1:58 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I have to say again that I'm disappointed with this one.
Agree with the above that LB is not a pressing need, especially in the first round. Furthermore, I wouldn’t consider Brown the “BPA of a moderate need” when Barron was still available and was far and away the BPA at a position of HUGE need for this team. Imagine a LB corps with no support behind them at safety, I don’t care how good McCarthy and Ayers become, there are coverages where they will need safety help and we literally have no one there right now.
I’m also looking at this draft as a whole and just can’t help but feel disappointed how it turned out. The middle rounds were better, but I would’ve liked to have taken a DE earlier as it’s considered a somewhat-weak class so getting the best of what’s available would’ve been preferable to me. I also would’ve liked to see an additional DB (be it CB or S) taken rather than another OL late.
Overall I honestly just can’t get past the Brown pick and don’t like it at all, feel there was better value in taking the best safety in the class that also happened to fill a huge need (regardless of injury risk, I don’t think Matt Stafford was considered “injury-prone” leading up to the draft but then got banged up his first few years, that’s always a gamble). Also think DE needs to be addressed earlier, but it seems the pick of Brown threw things off once they started unfolding with the rest of this draft.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 19, 2012 11:36 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
We could of had Mark Barron at #20.
Everyone was screaming it in the war room.
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by Titans_Firefighter on Feb 19, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I think I honestly would've been ok with a WR there over LB.
Wouldn’t have been too thrilled with it, but based on how things had unfolded to that point, would’ve accepted it mores. I just can’t see how the best player at a position of need was passed over for a guy who for this team amounts to more of a luxury pick at twenty.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 19, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
The Brown pick caused mayhem the rest of the way.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 19, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This was a terrible draft, and I say that as someone involved with it.
First round pick of Brown was just awful. That pick was all you, despite the pleas of many to land Barron. There was also Konz, Wright and Jeffery on the board. Can’t justify that pick at all.
Osemele was a favourite of a few, but I dislike that pick as well. Washington looks like a much better guard and Jones was available as a center.
Leonard Johnson was our attempt to salvage the draft. At this point our draft was still awful, but at least we filled a need here and got good value.
Bequette was a good pick, but there is no way we can afford to leave DE unfilled until the fourth. This is where the Brown pick comes and bites you. We failed to fill a need in the first, and then were left scrambling for much of the draft.
The Darron Thomas pick was on where you showed your bias towards Oregon players. He’s a long term project and one that probably won’t amount to much in the NFL. I did see only one of his games, but he looked like a running back who was recently converted to QB.
The inability to come out of this draft with many our needs filled (really, Bequette doesn’t give us that starter we need, no safety starter) and the irresponsible choice of Brown gives this draft a huge F. Brown is more of a last resort type pick for me. The first 19 picks certainly didn’t give us that many options, but there were still better options out there.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 19, 2012 11:56 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
There's also some mention of Bequette being used for Gray's 3-4 system again.
I don’t know where this keeps coming from, we now have seen a full year of Gray’s system and it is most definitely a 4-3 with some occasional “looks” where a DL may stand up, but that doesn’t make it a 3-4.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 19, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not saying we might go to a full blown 3-4 system but might show a look of it on certain plays pike passing downs and whatnot
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Feb 19, 2012 12:09 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
You have been told we're not for two years now.
And we have a season of evidence proving otherwise.
Give it up.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 19, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
ever considered that due to the lockout that Gray wasn't able to put in a full defense like he wanted to?
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Feb 19, 2012 12:20 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
So apart from saying he runs a 4-3 and running a 4-3 for a year, I'm willing to take the gamble that he has.
You’re drafting players for a preconceived and irrational notion that we’re going to switch defenses, despite that we brought in 4-3 personnel and ran it successfully.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 19, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
3 words: Ayers, scheme diverse. look it up
All I’m saying is that we’re NOT going to a full blown 3-4 look anytime soon if ever but it would be interesting and prudent for Gray to research and implement certain looks and packages that somewhat resemble a 3-4 with a full offseason on his hands. Bequette would provide some interesting matchup ideas for Gray to toy with.
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Feb 19, 2012 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
I would say he implemented some of those looks and packages last year...
There were times when Jason Jones and Klug dropped back into zone coverage, and a couple times where Jones or a DE was standing up at the line, which throws a different look at the offense.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 19, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
this. I noticed that too, maybe with a full offseason, he can tinker with those kinds of looks some more.
I’m not advocating a 100% transition to a 3-4 but if we can get more of a effective defense based off of those “looks” and packages, I’m all for it.
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Feb 19, 2012 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
Dropping a lineman into coverage != a 3-4 look.
These things happen with 4-3 teams as well.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Feb 19, 2012 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
That's what I was getting at.
Just because he dropped a DL into coverage does not mean he’s running a “hybrid” defense utilizing a 3-4 front.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 19, 2012 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
Ah, sorry, lost track of who was commenting.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Feb 19, 2012 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
Again, just because he liked the versatility of Ayers does not mean we're going to use 3-4 looks.
All of our front seven personnel is set for a 4-3. Once again you’ve said “it would be interesting and prudent for Gray to research and implement certain looks..” which I don’t necessarily disagree with, except the tiny detail that he won’t be using 3-4 looks.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 19, 2012 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
I just think that's assuming based on zero evidence.
What we say this past season was “looks” where a DL would drop into coverage from the line, and on occasion would be standing up roaming from the beginning. This is entirely different from a “3-4” front which requires completely different responsibilities, personnel and gap assignments. If anything, I expect more of these “looks” where we drop a DL into coverage or maybe stand him up and have him roam or rush from a standing position, but not a full-blown “3-4”.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 19, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
That has more to do with noles' fascination with a 3-4 defense.
Also how he justified the Brown pick, despite that we know we’re not moving to a 3-4 defense anytime soon. Bequette would be able to play 43 end for us.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 19, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ok, good.
That was my concern with that pick was that Bequette was not a pure end (and I know nothing about him, by the way). I think that’s what we need is just a straight-up DE and not some “hybrid” guy who may be better suited for LB in a 3-4 and would be undersized for what Gray is wanting out of his linemen.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 19, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
I never said that Bequette couldn't play 4-3 end for us, I said that he has potential to a be good stand up LB in certain situations
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Feb 19, 2012 12:23 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Yes, for the defense you're crafting that isn't run by our coordinator.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 19, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
anyway Bequette is a good pick for either scheme
he can play 4-3 end as well as stand up. whatever capacity we need him, he can do it
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Feb 19, 2012 12:53 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Haha damn I guess no one read my closing statement. I had a plan and stuck with it. Whether you disagree with or not is up to you.
Like I said every pick was pre planned with my assistant GM. Everyone needs to relax over the fact that Brown isn’t Barron, we got a solid player in Brown that will help immediately. My pick of Robinson isn’t Barron but a quality player nonetheless. The draft class as a whole is solid. My hands were mostly tied by all the DEs going early. The OL is deep so I figured on waiting on it until the 2nd. 1 pick does not a whole class make, remember it well and get over it
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Feb 19, 2012 12:19 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
The Brown pick was a domino for the whole draft.
Like I said every pick was pre planned with my assistant GM.
Don’t put that on him, you said that guy didn’t want him either. That was all you. You didn’t even attempt to sell us on that pick before you selected him. There were at least five of us in the war room, all voting for Barron. So expect criticism when you go out on a limb and pick a player that no one other than yourself wanted.
The draft class as a whole is solid.
No, no its not. We left a major need at DE left ‘till the fourth. We got a mediocre guard in the second. The fact you think Robinson fills a need is a hoax. Its unrealistic to think we’re going to rely on a sixth round safety to fill that spot. You also wasted a pick on a project QB- that is pick you can only make if you’ve filled your needs before it. We did not.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 19, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm sorry but I have to say your plan is flawed if this is the end result.
Generally teams try to match need and best available; often you can’t get the perfect match, but you can come close. In our case, safety is a huge need AND the consensus best prospect at that position was available, while other needs (DE, OL) had weaker prospects at twenty (DE) or could wait (OL) until a later round due to depth. That this position wasn’t addressed until the sixth round is really disappointing to me.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 19, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Again, Robinson is a good prospect that somehow fell to us. I passed up Barron because of his injury and I felt all along that he's a 2nd round prospect
the class is a good one despite everyone hating the Brown pick. I’m happy with it and others not on MCM are as well. Could I do a better job next time around knowing what I know now? sure but everyone can.
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Feb 19, 2012 1:02 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Here's your problem noles:
others not on MCM are as well.
I would wager that no one knows the Titans as well as us here on MCM. Other fans are grading you on comments like “Oh I wanted Brown, good draft.”
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 19, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I have to agree with this.
Other MtD and live mock participants may like the pick, but it seems to be based more on Brown as a prospect rather than how he fits in with the Titans’ needs, which really is all that should matter. He wasn’t the BPA available at that point nor did he fill a big need for the Titans.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 19, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Fact is Barron is the Best Saftey in this class that is a small and weak in terms of high caliber.
After Barron the talent level drops, where as LB we can get a mid to late round LB and hope that he could possible replace Spoon in a year or two and if not we can get one next year when it is of higher need.
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by Titans_Firefighter on Feb 19, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
Yup
yup, yup, yup, yup, yup…..etc.
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by Deaconbrodie on Feb 21, 2012 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
hell I'd take a traffic cone over Jake Scott and Leroy Harris at this point
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Feb 21, 2012 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
I also thought out the coaching staff's ability to find late round gems factoring into this as well
I guess we have agree to disagree on this class. I feel that I covered every base as best I could all things considered. Maybe next time I do this, I bring everyone in the loop quicker
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Feb 19, 2012 1:35 PM CST via Android app reply actions
I get the Brown pick
We sucked against the run all year and our linebackers couldnt cover the middle of the field against tight ends. But still LB was not a spot that needs a guy to come in and fix it right away you could easily bring in a 4+ rounder with upside, to develop into a starter.
If you think we are franchising Griffin then maybe we can skip on Barron but even then its unlikely. I would like the Brown pick if Barron were unavailable as WR/G we aren’t drafting in round one and all the value at DE was gone.
One question was, Harrison Smith and the 3rd best safety went far higher than they will in real life (middle of the 2nd). Were you planning on drafting one of them in the second/third or did you just plan on ignoring safety?
I don’t think its a terrible draft because we have so many holes to fill now without free agency we have no way of filling all of them. The only pick I would criticize (other than Brown) is the QB, I think with the amount of holes we have (WR?/G/C/DE/DT/OLB/CB/S) it seems silly to use a pick on a player that ‘might become a solid backup’.
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I didn't intend to put off Safety as long as I did but when I saw that most of the good ones were dropping and being ignored by other GMs, I figured there might be some good ones left in the 5th or 6th
it’s only a mock for fun and there will be other editions. You never know what will happen or who will go where until after the Combine. Brown would provide immediate help with his freak athleticism. The other intangible stuff can be coached with a full offseason looming. I get the discontent about not taking Barron but this is overboard. It’s like I took Vunce just wunz with the top pick.
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Feb 19, 2012 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
I fully understand the Brown pick
and had we been able to get one of the other top safeties i would have liked the Brown pick but we didn’t so its unfortunate.
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this was a pre Combine and FA mock draft and should be reflected as such
When we have our next one (maybe late March-early April), the Combine is over and we would be deep into the free agency period. Needs will change I’m sure based on what the front office does. I’m glad that someone understands the Brown pick
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Feb 19, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah like i said above we have about 8 positions that need improving
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It didn't help having mediocre play at safety most the year.
I don’t expect McCarthy to keep up with a TE who’s probably faster than him, but that’s why you have safeties back there to help, and for the LB to pass off coverage to in certain packages. How many times was Griffin fooled by playaction or out of position in general? Can’t put that on the LBs, and considering we got two good ones in the second and fourth round last year, LB can absolutely wait until a later round (if at all) this year.
I think the frustration here is that there was pretty much a consensus that Barron should be the guy if he was there at 20, he was, and then he wasn’t taken in favor of someone who was not the BPA and didn’t fill a huge need position.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 19, 2012 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
Linebacker is a need, your silly if you ignore that Our run defence was terrible
Our dbs were the to 4 tacklers on our team. We were bottom 10 in all rushing stats last year (except maybe tds but i havent checked that one so we might be). It starts up front granted but still our linebackers need to improve. Also on Griffin, he was not constantly out of position like you said he maybe was out of position once a game, he got caught out a lot this year. Yes thats still crap but id have him over hope/babs no doubt.
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Here's the thing. Not all needs are created equal.
We have massive holes at DE, G, C and to a lesser extent CB and WR. Those are the 4-5 main ones I think, depending on your opinions of Lavelle Hawkins and our backup CBs.
Spoon, McCarthy and Ayers is fine for one more year. If they bring in anyone, it will likely be for depth.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 19, 2012 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
You wouldn't consider S a major need right now?
I fully expect Amano to remain at C, so I would say S, DE, G are the big three.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 19, 2012 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
Crap, ya safety should always be in there. That's my mistake.
I’d separate it into three tiers:
Positions we need to fill for 2012:
DE
G/C
S
Positions we need for depth this year:
CB
WR
And then LB, as not too crucial hole, but still one that will need to be addressed in the coming years.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 19, 2012 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, anywhere after the fourth I'm ok with LB this year.
But I’d be just as fine filling those other needs/depth, then coming back to LB next year since it would just be one spot that needs to be filled rather than the multiple ones that were needed this year.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 19, 2012 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
You have completely ignored the biggest failure of our defence.
The pass d last year was 12th in yards. With no pass rush, so I’m all for keeping our secondary as together as possible. We must stop the run. We allowed 9 100 yard rushers (7 but two had 98 yards). Yet no-one wants to hear about here because its not a flashy idea to improve run defence.
DE is big needs don’t get me wrong but we MUST fix our run defence. It did not get better as the season went on. We need a DT to stuff the run like Shaun Smith was supposed to do. The good thing is players who play the run well are rarely first round picks
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Run defense can be a by-product of improving the other areas of the team.
Give this team a pass rush or better coverage and suddenly its a lot easier for Gray to scheme.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 19, 2012 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
Better coverage? 12th in yards bottom 5 in sacks coverage is not an issue
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In fact a lot of our sacks were coverage sacks
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I'd actually be fine with a DT in the first.
As this mock played out (or seemed to at least, I haven’t taken a detailed look at it), it doesn’t seem there was good value in going DL in the first, and there was already a consensus to take care of a big need in safety. That’s where a lot of the negative reaction here is coming from, a chance to fill a big need with BPA was completely shafted for a position that is not a huge need currently.
Let’s also not forget that Ayers and McCarthy were both rookies this year and I don’t expect either to be out of position quite as much as they may have been this year, which can only help.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 19, 2012 6:09 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I'm not saying our linebackers were horrible more our run defence was horrible
Also “our linebackers are young and will improve”. Lets change to “Our pass rush is young and will improve”
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Feb 19, 2012 5:02 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
rec'd for being funny
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Feb 19, 2012 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
It's what I'm here for. ;D
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Feb 19, 2012 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
Hey look on the bright side of things, think about the epic level of chaos that would've been brought if I picked Burfict lol
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Feb 19, 2012 5:28 PM CST reply actions
Where did Kellen Moore go out of interest? I went out to watch the fight so missed rounds 4-7
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late 7th to the 49ers
I think it was somewhere near 215-220 range
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Feb 19, 2012 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
I love the smell of controversy in the morning
You know you did a good job when you manage to piss off 2 fan bases in a weekend.
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Feb 20, 2012 8:47 AM CST reply actions
Who was the other fanbase?
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Feb 20, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
Texans, they really wanted Brown
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Feb 20, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
And that wasn't a red flag not to pick him? D:
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Feb 20, 2012 11:56 PM CST up reply actions
lol now that I think of it, it was more incentive to pick him
just to keep all those pass rushers away from them
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Feb 21, 2012 12:42 AM CST up reply actions
This sounds a bit trollish to me.
I would say you managed to piss off the home fan base because the majority opinion was completely ignored in favor of a pick that has no justification except personal preference. It actually makes sense for the Texans to be pissed off and want Brown, they stand to lose Mario Williams and would need a replacement with very few other holes to fill.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 20, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Hint: If we don't like your draft, it means we think you did a terrible job.
Usually, that’s not perceived as a good thing.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 20, 2012 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
you usually hate my drafts anyway lol
can’t keep them all happy
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Feb 20, 2012 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
No, but you can please a majority. And we should certainly count for more than the Texans fans.
I guarantee you that if our draft went Barron-Washington-Johnson-Bequette it would be receiving more praise. If you had not traded back and gone with a safety at 148, you would also be getting more praise.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 20, 2012 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
I actually ended up with the safety I had targeted even with the trading back.
The one (Janzen Jackson, I think it was) MCM wanted was taken before 148.
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Feb 20, 2012 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
There's a difference between "can't keep them all happy"
and “can’t keep anyone happy”.
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