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2012 NFL Draft: One Scout's Take on David DeCastro

There are a lot of people around here who think that the Titans should draft David DeCastro, OG, Stanford with the 20th pick in the draft. There are even a few people who think the Titans should trade up to get him if that is what it takes. Those people talk about how good DeCastro is going to be in the NFL.

Well Ted Miller of the ESPN Pac-12 blog talked to a friend of his who is an NFL scout about Mr. DeCastro. The review was no so stellar:

"Good kid. Should be a good pro. I see the potential. How can I put this, he's supposed to be [one of the best interior linemen]. But it's all in the eye of the beholder. Everyone has their own opinion. I think the kid will be OK. But will he be an All-Pro? I don't know. He should be, if he works hard enough. He has to get his technique down. He just needs to stay on his feet a little more when he pulls. That's about it."

That does not exactly sound like a guy that they should give up future picks to get, or even a guy they should spend the 20th pick on. I am still of the belief that there will be a guard in the 3rd-5th round that can end up being just as good as DeCastro. The Titans just have to find him.

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Talking heads will always talk...

Then again, maybe the Titans have already found that 3-5 rounder.

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by TitanNDCClothing on Feb 13, 2012 3:10 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

We should get this guy...
@RookieDaft Alshon Jeffery is training at St. Vincients here in Indy. Sources say he’s weighing 249lbs + running a 4.88 forty

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No Jimmy. Just no

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by StPrattrick on Feb 13, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Holy crap... No thanks

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by cj2k on Feb 13, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

That's not true.

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by gramsey712 on Feb 13, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

You just wanting to believe he is not good?

I just texted Alshon’s trainer. Not in Indy, at the Athlete’s Compound in Tampa, FL. The same place Alshon Jeffery is. He’s been there since January 8th, and he will remain there until late next week when he leaves for the NFL Scouting Combine.

From here.

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by gramsey712 on Feb 13, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

@RookieDraft Clarified later

that his source said those were accurate numbers 3 or more weeks ago…Lame.

I look forward to the Comine

by SoCalTitan on Feb 13, 2012 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

bahaha

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by StPrattrick on Feb 13, 2012 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

there's hope for Jommy yet!

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by nolesbroncos3456 on Feb 13, 2012 8:48 PM CST up reply actions  

seems Alshon Jeffery will be this years Ryan Mallet

good player but something makes people want to stay away from him

by jv1222 on Feb 13, 2012 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

These analyses are ridiculous.

Overall, Ted Miller seems to suggest that DeCastro’s not worth a first-round pick. But in the same paragraph he says he should be an All-Pro if he works hard enough. What more could you ask for!?

by sm00thBlue on Feb 13, 2012 3:26 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

it’s all about value, all pro guard =/= all pro just about anything else.

we're gonna skate to one song and one song only.

by D. Reese on Feb 13, 2012 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think a 3rd-5th rounder will give you this!! (But I've been wrong before)
Pass blocking: Solid pass protector who just doesn’t get beat. Possesses enough anchor to keep quarterbacks clean, will reset hands to get leverage if giving a bit off the line. Keeps feet moving and head up after initial contact to stay in front of his man. Capable of blocking down with one hand, then sliding to help tackle on the same play. Very aware of late blitzers, can stone them or ride them out of the pocket. Usually keeps arms extended in pass pro to maintain distance with hia man. Better linemen will win some hand battles and get a bit of push in the pocket. Overextends at times, but recovers well.

Run blocking: Excels as a run blocker in power, zone, and when on the move. Keeps eyes up to pick up nearest target. Once his man is on the ground, stays on top until the play is away. Rarely allows defenders to sidestep him. Not a dominant drive-blocker, though he can overwhelm lesser talent off the snap and will keep his legs churning after contact. Stronger tackles can anchor or move him a bit off the snap, though he rarely get beat, usually using momentum to ride them from the hole—sometimes putting them the ground.

Pulling/trapping: Coaches rely his quick feet to lead the way on pulls outside and traps inside. Reaches second level in a hurry, has natural bend and flexibility to get correct angle on target. Does not always dominate smaller defenders after initial contact, falling off instead of latching on, but sometimes takes out multiple targets with strong glancing blows. Will miss inside target on occasion, giving max effort to cut or reach the linebacker as he goes by.

Initial Quickness: Very good off the snap, gets hands onto his man immediately and is rarely beaten with initial pass rush move. Swims over tackle at times to reach second-level defenders. Gets some push in goal line situations by coming off hard and low.

Downfield: Does not have elite foot speed, but has more than enough to be used often as a lead blocker outside the tackle. Very effective negating targets seven or eight yards downfield. Inconsistent sustaining against stroner linebackers and defensive backs, will lower his head and targets can disengage too easily with a punch.

Intangibles: Solid work ethic and character. Known for his work on the practice field and in the weight room. Durable linemen who could play every snap in any scheme. Chose Stanford for its academic standards.

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by titansfan4ever on Feb 13, 2012 3:27 PM CST reply actions  

a fifth rounder like Carl Nicks?

we're gonna skate to one song and one song only.

by D. Reese on Feb 13, 2012 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

That's an odd review.

He’s not that great guys…

He can be an all pro, he just has to work hard (as if that didn’t apply to every NFL rookie)…

His technique needs some work…

Really, he just has to stay on his feet when he pulls.

So he’s one small technique fix away from being an all pro? Or not? The review seems conflicted.

Plus, we have two of the ultimate technicians on our coaching staff between Munchak and Matthews. Technique is what our line has been known for for years, and it’s one of the things they did really well last year and every other year.

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by TennesseeTyrants on Feb 13, 2012 3:28 PM CST reply actions  

Please don't draft Alshon Jeffery in the 1st round

ps google his name and see what appears first under “news for alshon jeffery”

by SoCalTitan on Feb 13, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Tuna and his Alshon Jeffery love

But seriously, have you seen dude play?

He can take over a football game. And he did against Alabama last year (last year Tuna?)

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by gramsey712 on Feb 13, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm telling you

if Randle didn’t have Jordan Jefferson and Jarrett Lee throwing him the ball he’d be #2 behind Blackmon

by trevor2013 on Feb 13, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I've been saying it all along...

DeCastro in the 1st…and Randle in the 2nd. After that, gramsey, you can take whoever you like.

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by titansfan4ever on Feb 13, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Gross

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by gramsey712 on Feb 13, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Anybody but a guard

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by gramsey712 on Feb 13, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Why you hatin on guards?

Don’t you want to keep Jake’s face in tact?

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by titansfan4ever on Feb 13, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

It's a waste of a 1st round pick.

Tackle or center, sure.

But not guard.

We aren’t taking him anyway, so I am not worried.

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by gramsey712 on Feb 13, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

He is a center?

I would draft a center in the 1st. Absolutely.

But DE is a higher priority to me.

We’ll have no idea what direction we might be going in the draft until free agency. We just need so many parts.

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by gramsey712 on Feb 13, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Why a Center but not a Guard?

I’m not sure I follow the logic, there.

Even if we drafted a Center, we’d probably play him at guard.

"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"

by TennesseeTyrants on Feb 13, 2012 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL!!

That’s funny. So who would you have @ guard?

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by titansfan4ever on Feb 13, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Find some in later rounds

I’m not saying don’t draft one at all.

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by gramsey712 on Feb 13, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, and don't get me wrong...

I’m not saying there might not be a sleeper in the later rounds…I just don’t like my odds of finding one…that’s all.

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by titansfan4ever on Feb 13, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Center but not guard?

Why?
We have at least one guaranteed opening at RG, and its probably time we start looking for a future replacement for Harris. Amano they at least trust at center.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 13, 2012 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I just don't value the guard position high enough to draft in the 1st

Centers and tackles are more important to the success of the line.

I do think we need to replace all 3 of our interior linemen, but we have more pressing issues than a guard. We can move Amano to guard if we draft a center.

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by gramsey712 on Feb 13, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

+1
We can move Amano to guard if we draft a center.

by SuperHorn on Feb 13, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think that happens either way.

Unless they continue to let Amano make the line/protection calls from Guard, which is kind of uncommon.

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by TennesseeTyrants on Feb 13, 2012 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, good call.

"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"

by TennesseeTyrants on Feb 13, 2012 7:11 PM CST up reply actions  

QB it is then.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 13, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Good point

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by gramsey712 on Feb 13, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

But I was talking any year. Not just this year.

I would never ever ever waste a first round pick on a guard. Unless for some reason we have built a team where guard is literally our singular only weak point. Which probably means we have just won 2 or 3 Super Bowls in a row.

So check back in 4 years.

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by gramsey712 on Feb 13, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

RG3!1!1!1

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by titansfan4ever on Feb 13, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I never really saw him take plays off

if he did display a questionable work ethic, I was completely blind to it…I don’t think there’s reason to be concerned in that department w/ him

by trevor2013 on Feb 13, 2012 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

DeCastro will be long gone by 20, I'm not putting too much stock into this review.

What I hope to see, since its pretty clear they’ll go OL in the 2nd, is that they go OL in both the 2nd and 4th rounds. Somewhat like the Roos/Stewart year is what I’m going off of.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 13, 2012 3:53 PM CST reply actions  

My guess, what they will do and not what I would do is:

1st DE, 2nd G, 3rd CB, 4th G/C.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 13, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

There trust and commitment to Hawkins has somewhat altered my plans.

I wanted a WR in the first or second, now, if we’re going to trust Hawk, that’s out the window. Now I’d go G/C in the first (probably Konz) and then DE in the second.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 13, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd be down with that.

What about 3rd & 4th rounds?

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by titansfan4ever on Feb 13, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

CB, then G/C.

I would for sure, no matter, want to take a G/C in the fourth. I feel like you can find a somewhat more raw talent there and let Munch and Co. go to work.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 13, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know much about him yet, so I don't have an opinion on him.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 13, 2012 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Without knowing anything about the players or depth, I'd say that as a general rule DE's come off the board faster than G/C.

Again, generally, I think you can get more value in drafting a G/C in rounds 2 or later. Whereas DE’s are notoriously more difficult to get value out of after round one.

There have been 51 “player seasons” (that is, there are some duplicates for players) in which players have gotten 15 sacks or more. Of those, 28 were 1st rounders. 23 were 2nd round and later.

Because the DE is so closely tied to a specific physical skillset, value drops of precipitously as those few physical freaks are off the board.

by SuperHorn on Feb 13, 2012 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Their*

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 13, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I would be fine with that.

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by gramsey712 on Feb 13, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

But would make 3rd CB/S

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by gramsey712 on Feb 13, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

But what are the odds that they would strike gold again....

like they did with Roos & Stewart?

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by titansfan4ever on Feb 13, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd guess fairly likely.

Munchak has shown that if you provide him some players with adequate-average talent, he’ll make them better. We just have to stop giving him the Velascos and Stingilys of the draft.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 13, 2012 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Were they taken the same year?

I thought one was 2005, one was 2006?

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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 13, 2012 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Both 2005.

Roos started his first year, Stewart his second, which is a similar pattern to what I would want out of this draft if we did go this route. Replace Scott this year, Harris next.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 13, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

In the last 10 drafts, only 6 total guards have been drafted in the first round

Only two, Logan Mankins and Kendall Simmons, went to teams who have done anything. And both of those teams (Patriots and Steelers) were pretty good teams when those players were drafted as both were drafted late in the first.

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by gramsey712 on Feb 13, 2012 4:14 PM CST reply actions  

Mankins was pick #32

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by gramsey712 on Feb 13, 2012 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Two of those guards were in the last 2 drafts

Iupati to San Fran, and they are a pretty darn good team. And some dude to Philly. They are a Michael Vick dumpster fire.

One was Aaron Sears to the Bucs and now I can’t remember who the other one was. The Bengals I think.

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by gramsey712 on Feb 13, 2012 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Excuse me, Danny Watkins is not some dude.

He’s from the Great White North.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 13, 2012 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Minnesota?

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by gramsey712 on Feb 13, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Antartica?

Shit, wrong way.

New Zealand?

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Feb 14, 2012 12:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Mike Munchak drafted by the Houston Oilers with the 8th pick in the 1st round.

Bruce Matthews drafted by the Houston Oilers with the 9th pick in the 1st round. BOOM!!!! I rest my case!! And don’t even try…you have NO comeback for that, gramsey!!!

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by titansfan4ever on Feb 13, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I know, right?

He just does NOT get it. We need to add some “eliteness” to our O-Line!! Trust me, back in the day…nobody got even close to Warren Moon!!

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by titansfan4ever on Feb 13, 2012 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

G-R-E-A-T.....10,000 comedians are out of work.....

and Mr. Gramsey is over here cracking jokes!!

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by titansfan4ever on Feb 13, 2012 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Is this humor?

I missed it if so, but if not…those guys being drafted in the first round is completely irrelevant to whether they should take a first-round guard today. I suspect everyone who thinks they’re going to go OL in the first two rounds will end up being disappointed.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 13, 2012 7:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope a bunch of teams have doubts about DeCastro,

because I want him there at #26 for the Texans.

This guy will be a road grader. I want him clearing lanes for Arian Foster.

Doubt we’ll get him, though. He ‘s a future All Pro; he probably won’t last past #15.

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I have 2 more dreams at #26.

I like my odds we’ll get one of them.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 13, 2012 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I like how you’re keeping them close to the vest like a GM is watching.

by ShawnG on Feb 14, 2012 7:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Hell, no one listens to me, anyway, so here they are:

I’m thinking Kendall Wright and Mark Barron also have a chance to fall that far. Wright would fill a huge need and provide a really explosive YAC threat the offense has lacked. Barron might be seen as a bit of a luxury pick, but putting him back there with Danieal Manning would give the Texans a chance to have the best safety tandem in the league.

Decastro, Wright, Barron: I think there’s a reasonable chance one of them will be there.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 14, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

I am still of the belief that there will be a guard in the 3rd-5th round that can end up being just as good as DeCastro. The Titans just have to find him.

we really don’t even need that, we just need a guy to bust open holes on counters and whatnot when he pulls, round 3-5 are perfect for that type of guy.

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by D. Reese on Feb 13, 2012 4:48 PM CST reply actions  

Round 3-5 players aren't generally the elite players.

At least they aren’t guaranteed to be. They need work, polish, practice.

we just need a guy to bust open holes on counters and whatnot when he pulls

And that’s just not true. We need them to be able to pass block. I’d suggest that pass blocking is more important than run blocking, considering the modern NFL game.

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by TennesseeTyrants on Feb 13, 2012 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I should clarify.

They aren’t the “sure thing” elite players—not that anyone is truly sure thing.

Of course, great guards are had in later rounds all the time. So are great WRs, DEs, QBs, etc.

I think this line of reasoning that we can find great guards late so why draft one early can be extrapolated to any position, if you wanted it to be.

If we think that Guard is truly our biggest weakness and a guy like Decastro is still on the board, I’d rather take him and plug him in right away than draft a guy we need to develop and who will be a bigger risk.

"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"

by TennesseeTyrants on Feb 13, 2012 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I’d be more than willing to sacrifice a little bit of that pass blocking to have CJ back. don’t draft some idiot who just flails around out there when he drops back to protect, but put it this way: if there are two players, one who excels at run blocking and one who excels at pass pro, I’ll be heated if we go the route of the pass pro guy.

Of course, great guards are had in later rounds all the time. So are great WRs, DEs, QBs, etc.

not at the same rate. there’s a reason not many guards are taken in rounds 1-2, it’s very very easy to find good ones near the tail end of the draft. I get the feeling that the same just doesn’t apply at the same rate with skill position players.

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by D. Reese on Feb 13, 2012 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey, I love a good, bruising run blocker.

But I don’t think CJ’s going to win us a super bowl. I think Jake Locker might.

That’s not to say you can’t find a guard to do both in the later rounds. Pass blocking is mostly intelligence and technique, anyway. We have the right set of coaches to teach that stuff.

It just comes down to what do you want out of the guard this year? Do we want a guy that we can probably stick in right away who will be solid in passing block and solid in run blocking with an upside that’s something like Canton? Or do we want a guard who is going to need some development before he’s ready to step in and contribute, and is a bigger risk to ever develop into a great starter in the first place?

I like late round magic guards as much as the next guy, but 3 people have soured me to them: Jake Scott, Eugene Amano, and Leroy Harris.

"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"

by TennesseeTyrants on Feb 13, 2012 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I know that it’s all about the passing game these days but I don’t see how it could possibly hurt to have a top running game again as long as it doesn’t impact the passing game negatively. CJ has won us games before almost singlehandedly, on a day where the passing game is struggling he could be a real asset again.

Pass blocking is mostly intelligence and technique, anyway. We have the right set of coaches to teach that stuff.

also this. I’m not convinced that Munchak and Matthews can just work magic on any old guard, but I have to say, I trust them to be able to work with raw talent granted we take the time to put it in front of them.

honestly? I just want a guy to step in and do work. I think we can afford a year of development and hopefully the developmental guy gets better as the year progresses and takes the next step in training camp in 2013, the first year that really needs to yield double digit wins and a playoff berth.

I like late round magic guards as much as the next guy, but 3 people have soured me to them: Jake Scott, Eugene Amano, and Leroy Harris.

Nicks, Evans, Dielman. none of them were taken before the 4th and have made multiple all pro teams since 2008.

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by D. Reese on Feb 13, 2012 5:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I know that it’s all about the passing game these days but I don’t see how it could possibly hurt to have a top running game again as long as it doesn’t impact the passing game negatively. CJ has won us games before almost singlehandedly, on a day where the passing game is struggling he could be a real asset again.

It wouldn’t hurt to have an elite running game at all, but that’s assuming it doesn’t impact the passing game negatively.

I’m suggesting that drafting a 5th round, raw talent guard because he’s a run blocking bruiser DOES impact the passing game negatively because it impacts the pass blocking negatively. At least for a while. Then you’re also running the risk of screwing with Locker’s development.

honestly? I just want a guy to step in and do work. I think we can afford a year of development and hopefully the developmental guy gets better as the year progresses and takes the next step in training camp in 2013, the first year that really needs to yield double digit wins and a playoff berth.

Yeah, that’s what I was getting at. I think if we want a good guard from day one, and a potentially elite guard down the road, drafting one early makes sense.

If you don’t mind some mediocre play while one develops, that’s fine, but it means more games like the ones we saw last year.

Nicks, Evans, Dielman. none of them were taken before the 4th and have made multiple all pro teams since 2008.

Yep, those are great players. We could probably both sit here and rattle off good and bad guards taken after the 2nd round all night if we wanted to (I don’t, lol).

But what do you think the success rate of 3-7 round guards is? What percentage become better players than people like Jake Scott? What percentage become all pros? I’d be very shocked if it’s even anywhere close to 50%.

"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"

by TennesseeTyrants on Feb 13, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions  

How about...

We take Nicks from New Orleans, draft Konz at Center…..and let everyone else compete for the other guard spot?

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by zero defects on Feb 13, 2012 5:05 PM CST reply actions  

I'm convinced...

…that if we bring in 2 new interior linemen, Amano is not going anywhere, and he’ll probably play C rather than G.

For as much as everyone hates him, he’s a smart player, seemingly makes the right calls most of the time, and he’s a technician and a pass blocker.

We will need his familiarity with the system with 2 brand new linemen beside him.

"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"

by TennesseeTyrants on Feb 13, 2012 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

And thank goodness for that.

"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"

by TennesseeTyrants on Feb 13, 2012 7:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I want us to pick Konz so bad.

I cannot really explain why. I just really do lol

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by jerlindsey on Feb 13, 2012 8:36 PM CST reply actions  

I'd take him.

If forced to pick, I’d take DeCastro, probably, but Konz is a monster, too.

"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"

by TennesseeTyrants on Feb 13, 2012 8:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey, guys, whatever..

When we don’t draft a high round interior lineman and our interior line continues to suck next year thus consistently stopping our offense from succeeding, at least we have another wide receiver to help ease our insecurities about Britt’s knee exploding…

Selfishness over logic ftw.

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Feb 13, 2012 10:13 PM CST reply actions  

“good teams draft interior linemen in the first round”
- nobody ever.

we're gonna skate to one song and one song only.

by D. Reese on Feb 13, 2012 11:59 PM CST up reply actions   3 recs

We lost to the winless Colts last season.

We are not a good team, especially when we have only 2 offensive lineman and 3 giant turnstiles.

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Feb 14, 2012 1:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Sample size.

I could also say, “We destroyed the Ravens.”

"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"

by TennesseeTyrants on Feb 14, 2012 5:41 AM CST up reply actions  

we want to be one though, if that means spending high picks on positions that are more difficult to scout/project then so be it.

we're gonna skate to one song and one song only.

by D. Reese on Feb 14, 2012 9:14 AM CST up reply actions  

PFF has your pass blocking rated very highly, 2nd-best in the NFL, to be exact.

All five O linemen get positive ratings for pass protection. Is PFF FOS? What are they missing?

They rate the run blocking pretty average, though: 17th.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 14, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Our linemen are all excellent pass blockers.

"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"

by TennesseeTyrants on Feb 14, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

They really are.

I feel like most of the complaints about their “run blocking” is based on the fact that CJ sucked last year. He just was not the same player I saw the few years I saw him play.

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by jerlindsey on Feb 14, 2012 11:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Steelers drafted one and went to a super bowl. Miami sucked but Pouncey was a stud. 49ers rode one to the playoffs in year 2.

by ShawnG on Feb 14, 2012 7:48 AM CST up reply actions  

those two statements are not directly unrelated, but to say that Pouncey made the a Super Bowl team (especially considering that most everyone but the Pro Bowl says he sucked that year and was hurt for their playoff run).

Miami sucked but Pouncey was a stud

exactly.

wait, the Niners rode Mike Iupati? he’s a good player, but come on, you don’t ride guards.

we're gonna skate to one song and one song only.

by D. Reese on Feb 14, 2012 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

whoops, stopped mid-sentence there, meant ot say that to say that Pouncey made them a Super Bowl team is not accurate.

we're gonna skate to one song and one song only.

by D. Reese on Feb 14, 2012 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

As my southern bretheren would say...

There’s more than one way to skin a cat. There’s not some tried and true “draft this position in this round to be good” method.

If you’re implying that teams who draft interior lineman in the first round cannot be good, and it’s because of that decision, well I don’t even think you believe that.

It’s a matter of needs versus what’s available. One of if not our biggest need is the interior line.

"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"

by TennesseeTyrants on Feb 14, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah...I wouldn't chalk up the Steelers' Super Bowl appearance to Pouncey.

Nor would I give too much credit to Iuapati for the 49ers’ success this year; both rode their strong defenses to their successful years if anything.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 14, 2012 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Yamon Figurs

Been looking at some combine data and i just found that Yamon Figurs ran a 4.3 forty. I always notice him in the preseason with a few good plays but i’m wondering what is holding him back. We are always talking about grabbing a speedster and well it seems we have had one. I’m not saying he is the answer, but still it makes me think

by Drixt on Feb 13, 2012 10:25 PM CST reply actions  

First round lineman

I think our whole first round draft pick is going to center around who we can get in free agency. I can easily see us going pass rush, interior o line, or safety in first round. I have a feeling that the titans FO would prefer to lock up a couple of free agents for o line and d-line then draft safety in the first round, and oline in 2nd and 3rd. But if for some freak reason we cant get Cortland Finnegan back and we dont manage to get a good cornerback in FA then i could see them going with a CB too.

by Drixt on Feb 13, 2012 10:30 PM CST reply actions  

Barron S, Alabama with 1st pick!!

OL or DE help in FA then go the other in 2nd round.

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by Deaconbrodie on Feb 13, 2012 10:51 PM CST up reply actions  

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