Tennessee Titans Daily Links: Never Count Out The Hawk Edition
by August West on Feb 13, 2012 12:15 PM CST
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The Lavelle Hawkins signing makes sense enough, especially with the reasonable contract he agreed to, considering the strides he made over the last half of the season. The only downside is that it feels like a pretty good indication that they don't plan to invest much in the WR position, or else why would they lock-up a guy who might be fifth on the depth chart if you bring in a guy to compete for the number two or three spot?
Terry McCormick has a must-read piece on where the Titans and Cortland Finnegan stand in terms of their expectations for a new contract. McCormick expects that Finnegan could command upwards of $9.5 million on the open market, which will almost certainly be too rich for the Titans' taste. Fortunately there should be other top-notch CBs on the market we could target, including Brent Grimes, Carlos Rogers and Stanfford Routt.
John Glennon says that many draft analysts are saying that this year's draft isn't very deep at the DE and pass rushing LB spots, which could drive the Titans to look for their solution in free agency....
Speaking of free agency, PFF has their updated top 50 list of FAs, and veteran defensive ends Mario Williams, John Abraham, Robert Mathis and Cliff Avril all make it into the top 10. Any of those guys could be a productive option for the Titans.
Breaking news: Akeem Ayers would like to be better next year than he was this year.
Ruston Webster said this weekend that the team expects Kenny Britt to be completely ready by training camp. Britt's recovery is apparently ahead of schedule, which bodes much better for his chances of hitting the ground running next year, which will be crucial for his future and or immediate success.
Wes Bunting lists his top snubs for the NFL Combine.
Rivers McCown of FO tells ESPN Insider that DE is our biggest weakness.
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Thank God for McCown
I wouldn’t have said the second least productive defensive line (in terms of sacks) had a big, gaping, floppy, dirty-gross, hole at DE.
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Sounds about right for Finnegan.
If the Titans decided to franchise Finnegan, it would cost them $10.6 million for the 2012 season.
From what TitanInsider has been able to gather, that is somewhere in the range of a starting point Finnegan’s camp might be looking for in an extension.
There is no way I’d pay Finnegan that much money. I’d take any one of the FA CBs including Finnegan, if any can be signed for under 10 M per year.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 13, 2012 12:31 PM CST reply actions
Yeah...love Finny, but he is not a $10 million a year guy.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 13, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
You're right
lets make it $20 mill
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Feb 13, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
We don't have anyone on the team that's worth that...
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by BythePowerofMunchak! on Feb 13, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Feb 13, 2012 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
I would like to pick up Stanfford Routt just to hear the announcer say....
“And Stanfford returns his second pick of the day for six!!….and the Routt is on!!”
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by titansfan4ever on Feb 13, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
you wouldn't be hearing a lot of that.
He’s not great. Just good.
by -Erock on Feb 13, 2012 4:27 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
How does this sit with ya: The Hawk’s 49 catches last season are higher than any single season total Kenny Britt has managed to produce.
it’s an interesting conversation starter, but then you see Britt’s 15 touchdowns compared to Hawk’s 1.
we're gonna skate to one song and one song only.
Britt is beast
Hawk is bird
No idea where I was gonna go with that one.
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So Jonne, if the Titans signed the Hawk just for you.....
do you think they would draft DeCastro just for me?
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by titansfan4ever on Feb 13, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
Is that a single season TD comparison?
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 13, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
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Wait, let me get this straight... We almost always complain about the Titans not signing big-time free agents...
Then when our best defensive back is actually becoming a free agent, we don’t want the Titans to sign him back. That doesn’t make any sense.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Feb 13, 2012 12:52 PM CST reply actions
I want him back...if the price is right.
I don’t think he is an eight-figure guy like Revis. I think somewhere around $8 mil a year is a good valuation on him, and if $10.6 mil a year is roughly the STARTING point for what Finny wants, I’m sorry, he’s not worth that.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 13, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I want him back but I don't think he is $10m/yr good
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by rothbard on Feb 13, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
The question is always
can you replace him, and can you put the extra 2 million to good use. If not, whether or not he’s worth 10m a year vs. 8m a year is a pretty pointless point of pontification. If you lose him and your teams gets significantly worse, that 2 million extra you held on to didn’t do you a lot of good…
Not sure it's the extra $2m in isolation
The whole cap picture is what matters. We are currently rocking a little over a half a team. I would rather not have $10m+ cap tied up in Finnegan (or CJ for that matter). I also don’t think replacing Finnegan with another decent corner will be much of a drop off. I like Finnegan, but we’re kidding ourselves if we think he is some super stud CB.
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by rothbard on Feb 13, 2012 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I just find myself doubtful
they will replace him effectively, which is why I lean towards overpaying him a little if needed.
This is an unusual FA period, though – the pool larger than normal. It just seems rare that the Titans let a FA go for another guy that turns out to be an upgrade. Nothing to back that up, just my impression over the years. Finnegan provides pretty good coverage and is not bad blitzing, either.
I don’t think he’s an elite NFL corner, but I do think he’s above the average, and fits well into our current system. It just doesn’t seem worth saving an extra mill or so by losing a solid player in the hopes that that mil will be spent on a better player at that or another position. There’s other FAs we can lose that don’t play as well as he does.
by numbertenox on Feb 13, 2012 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
Here is a real example of this, according the Paul K's article:
When Jason Babin joined former Titans defensive line coach Jim Washburn in defecting to the Eagles, the Titans’ adjusted sack rate fell from 13th in the NFL in 2010 to second-to-last in 2011. Should the Titans have paid Babin to keep him? Did they find a suitable replacement with the savings?
by FaninEcuador on Feb 14, 2012 7:30 AM CST up reply actions
Think hard...
Most people really want Finnegan back.
They just don’t him back for more money than he deserves.
It’s just a touch more complex than “WE WANT HIM” or ‘WE DON’T WANT HIM."
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Feb 13, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Here's something to consider:
Finnegan has only been out three games in the past five years. Those three games were:
A 20-point blowout against the Jaguars, in which Mike Sims-Walker had a career day, and the Jaguars scored on five of their first six drives.
A 22-point blowout against the Colts, in which our secondary simply could not stop Peyton Manning at all.
And… a 59-point blowout. The Boston Massacre.
These are the three examples of what our defense is like without Finnegan in there. So is he really NOT worth that much money?
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Feb 13, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
But TN went to the Super Bowl without Finny, so...
/i-win
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Sample size, bro.
Also worth considering: We’ve been torched WITH him on the field.
Also worth considering: We won’t replace him with nobody. We will sign someone else to play, who is hopefully of at least a similar talent level.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Feb 13, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
Hmm...
We won’t replace him with nobody
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Yes, and the Titans have
a great history of replacing key defensive players with equal or better ones.
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by numbertenox on Feb 13, 2012 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Grand oversimplification.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 13, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
Jumbo shrimp.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Feb 13, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
Not that simple
We want him back but at the right price
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by sami426 on Feb 13, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I will play shut down corner for 4 mil.
No problem. Gimme dat monies
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by StPrattrick on Feb 13, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
"playing" and "doing" are vastly different things
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by gramsey712 on Feb 13, 2012 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
and we paid him 50 zillion dollars
GIMME DAT MONIES!!!!!!1
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I've already told you guys, as soon as I get that money you will never find me again
… but you so curious to see if I’ll do it or not!
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by TitanNDCClothing on Feb 13, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
Because our fan base sways from one camp to the other without any middle ground
I don’t think that the Titans don’t go after big name free agents because they cost too much money; but that those big name FAs do not fit our defensive scheme. As far as Finny goes, it looks like he will not be back in Columbia blue next fall. Wherever Finny winds up next year; I’ll be pulling for him no matter what team he plays for.
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by NJD28 on Feb 13, 2012 10:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I feel for Ayers
So this offseason he’s not only focusing on getting himself into the best shape of his life, he’s also paying more attention to his diet. What that means is no more trips to In-N-Out, at least not on a regular basis. He admitted the hamburgers and fries got him into trouble in the past.
Its impossible not to eat at In-N-Out…He’s going to have to be like Britt and stay away from his home state if he wants to stay out of trouble.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Feb 13, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
.... what the...?!
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i did it
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I think so, use decoder ring to replace 'we' with 'me'
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bwahaha
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by BythePowerofMunchak! on Feb 13, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
is there an in n out in nashville?
never heard of the place
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ahh i see
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Feb 13, 2012 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
Ayers is going to be a beast next year!
Millard sees something in him and Ayers has the mind-set of a champion!
I don't know if I agree with this...
John Glennon says that many draft analysts are saying that this year’s draft isn’t very deep at the DE and pass rushing LB spots, which could drive the Titans to look for their solution in free agency….
I’ve got 4 possible 1st rounders at the DE spot. Coples, Perry, Mercilus and Branch. With that being said, I wouldn’t go 1st rd for a DE…been there, done that!! I like the FAs or going 3rd & 4th rounds for one.
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... you know, some other DE's have worked out pretty well for teams from the first round?
just sayin’
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Right...but...
I say use the 1st rd to fill your biggest need….OL….there will still be some good talent at DE in the latter rounds…don’t you think?
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by titansfan4ever on Feb 13, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
I trust Thor is his ability to evaluate OL talent
if it’s not there at 20, we can not reach.
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Since when did you become soooo trusting?
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by titansfan4ever on Feb 13, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
Since we've consistently had one of the best pass-blocking O-lines in the league (usually significantly better run-blocking as well)
and they have all been coached up from the draft by Thor, other then Scott.
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You & I must be looking at two different O-Lines...
you are talking about the 2011 Titans right?
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by titansfan4ever on Feb 13, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
Wait, seriously? We finished 2nd in sacks allowed this season
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and before you say anything about the run blocking, I said above;
the best pass-blocking O-lines in the league
The run blocking was horrible, but if was all on the O-line – CJ – or Palmer’s scheme is TBD
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But sometimes stats can be misleading.
2nd in sacks allowed could mean that our QB has a quick release and knows when to get rid of the ball. It doesn’t automatically mean that the O-Line was doing a fantastic job.
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by titansfan4ever on Feb 13, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
2nd in sacks allowed means the O-line was doing its job.
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So if our O-Line was that great at pass blocking...
then why would they suck sooo bad at run blocking?
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by titansfan4ever on Feb 13, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
Scheme - CJ regressing - combo with bad O-line run blocking/being over powered
Palmer’s previous running scheme shows he’s never been really successful in the running game.
But our passing offense improved so much last year, i’d be ok with the lack of running game. Of course we need to significantly improve… but 6 of the last 8 Super Bowl teams finished in the bottom 20 of the league in rushing yards. 4 of them were either last or second to last in rushing.
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Well, Palmer's got to be able to make adjustments.
You can’t just keep running your head in to a brick wall if your scheme isn’t working. My point about the line is that either they are going to get manhandled, or…they are going to manhandle their opponents. So…if our line is able to manhandle the rushers on the passing plays…then why can’t they manhandle them on the running plays. I mean, jeez…CJ isn’t that big. He just needs a crease, right?
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by titansfan4ever on Feb 13, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
Because it requires two different things?
Pass blocking you’ve just got to contain the guy long enough for the QB to get rid of it; run blocking you’ve got to overpower him and get him out of the way so the RB can get through. Perhaps our guys are good at holding off the DL when they’re coming after the QB, but not so good when THEY have to be the ones to overpower and take the guys out.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 13, 2012 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
2 diff. schools of thought - Dominate Pass-Blocking O-line does not mean Dominate Run-Blockers
It seems like we have a good amount of smart players on the O-line that can adjust and hold the line for a decent amount of time, but simply don’t have the power to push forward and create holes for the RB.
I think it has a lot to do with Amano getting easily knocked around and Scott just having his head up his ass nearly the entire season… Thor is working with what he has.
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passing and run blocking are
2 different things like you said.
very different, and i hated both.
but pass blocking was always a lot easier then run blocking, unless you had small guys on the D-line
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Feb 13, 2012 6:38 PM CST up reply actions
2 diff. schools of thought - Dominate Pass-Blocking O-line does not mean Dominate Run-Blockers
It seems like we have a good amount of smart players on the O-line that can adjust and hold the line for a decent amount of time, but simply don’t have the power to push forward and create holes for the RB.
I think it has a lot to do with Amano getting easily knocked around and Scott just having his head up his ass nearly the entire season… Thor is working with what he has.
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Double post? FAIL!!!!
This will harm your HoF bid…
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 13, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
What the?!
Someone is sabotaging me
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I saw things a little differently; sure he wasn’t playing to the level of season’s gone, but where people saw hesistancy, I saw the patience Johnson has always exhibited.
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Feb 13, 2012 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
Bout time
Even though he said he’d be willing to restructure his contract to stay on the team
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Hey, at least he can always become a dancer (Dancing with the Stars)
And speaking of dancing….did anyone see Nicki Minaj at the Grammy Awards last night? That was the most God-awful performance I’ve ever seen in my entire lifetime!! Even the Pope couldn’t save her!!
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by titansfan4ever on Feb 13, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
Marcus Robertson has gone to Detroit.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 13, 2012 1:41 PM CST reply actions
I somehow feel like Schwartz' "Titans/Fisher Crutch" is going to come back and haunt him
And I honestly don’t believe their thinking is:
“This coach or player was really good and I will know how to best maximize their skills and potential”
I think it’s more like this:
“Man if I sign this coach or player then I won’t have to spend 2 weeks getting used to them and teaching them how I operate this team…. hmm they’re were pretty good in TN right? better have an assistant check the film .. hey Kyle whats up?”
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by BythePowerofMunchak! on Feb 13, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
Totally happy and totally not surprised that Britt is healing faster than expected
This confirms my long held belief that he is a MUTANT! I shall be calling him Wolverine from now on.
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bruh his name shall now be known as
B4-6
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