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The Colts Will Draft Andrew Luck, Water Is Wet, Grass Is Green, The Pope Is Catholic.

GLENDALE, AZ - JANUARY 02:  Andrew Luck #12 of the Stanford Cardinal walks out onto the field against the Oklahoma State Cowboys during the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl on January 2, 2012 at University of Phoenix Stadium in Glendale, Arizona.  (Photo by Donald Miralle/Getty Images)

If you haven't heard yet, the guys upstairs for the Colts have leaked that their selection in this April's draft will almost definitely be Andrew Luck. Surprise, surprise, they're picking the best QB prospect to enter the draft since Peyton was wearing orange. Nothing to see here folks, once the Colts dropped their fifth or sixth in a row, we all knew this day might be coming, might as well accept it, Andrew Luck will be a Colt in 2012. So what's that mean for the rest of the AFC and, more importantly, the Titans?

Well from where I'm standing, absolutely nothing.

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Only a sith deals in absolutes. Andrew Luck is not yet an NFL superstar. At this point, we have every reason in the world to be more impressed with our very own young quarterback entrusted with guiding the franchise through the next 12-15 years. More to come about him later, right now let's focus on Luck. No doubt he is extremely talented. If I didn't know any better, I'd think I was watching a young Peyton Manning play against Oklahoma State last week. A few months ago, I couldn't find a problem with the guy. Well, he looks like the cookie monster, but other than that, he seemed pretty much invincible. I've heard he has a slightly awkward throwing motion, but I'm gonna be honest here, I don't have nearly a good enough grasp on that kind of thing to be a judge. Then, I finally sat down to watch one of his games. Naturally, I checked in to the open thread to see what was going on over here and something in the conversation in that open thread began to raise my suspicions. I've always had a nagging idea that Luck's been playing in an easy system. What that means is that Stanford really never asks him to do a whole lot; his throws just don't need to travel all that far and a lot of his touchdowns come from receivers finding a gap in the zone and running the rest of the way.

That's not at all to say he can't make advanced, NFL caliber throws, we've all seen him do it at one point or another, but I think the Peyton Manning comparisons should simmer down for a little bit. Peyton was throwing it all over the field all the time for UT. Talk about a small sample size, but Manning attempted almost 75 more passes in his senior season than Luck. It's a reach, but when you're picking this guy to be the best thing around you can never be too meticulous. The number of attempts isn't the important, what's important is that maybe Luck's completion percentage (and it is ludicrously high) has been inflated by a system that doesn't force him to make tough throws, instead encouraging the short, 15 yard or less routes. I can see why they'd do it, too. While he doesn't throw a bad deep ball per se, it sometimes leaves a little to be desired when he winds up to throw it 40+ yards. That may seem kind of trifling, but hey, that might really hurt him in the long run once he gets to Indy.

The bigger point I'm trying to make is that there are no sure things, even with a prospect as technically sound as Luck. Heaven forbid he suffers some career-threatening injury, but the possibility is always out there. Then there's the more friendly route of maybe he's just not that good. I don't know how his skill set wouldn't translate to the NFL, but it's always possible I guess.

In any case, Andrew Luck would still have to be Peyton Manning-in-his-prime good for the Colts to reach the same level they were on in 2010 before Manning's neck exploded. I understand how good of a prospect he's supposed to be, but Manning might just be the best NFL player of all time. Don't give me any of this "just one Super Bowl" crap, he's earned the right to at least be in the conversation for G.O.A.T. Basically, Luck has to be the best quarterback ever to make this team good again. While his hype machine certainly makes it look possible, I'll take those odds. Third, and maybe most importantly, the Titans have their own impressive prospect waiting in the wings. If you thought Tim Tebow was impressive out there (you probably didn't), be ready to be floored because Jake Locker is Tebow tenfold. The upside on him is ridiculous and from what he's shown us, he's lightyears ahead of where Blaine Gabbert is right now (whether that says more about Gabbert or Locker is for you to decide). Dual threat QB's are becoming a thing again people, get ready for Locker, Griffin III and Newton to flip everything on its' axis.

Can anyone else picture Locker v. Luck becoming the must-see TV event of the year? I sure can. And to be honest, I think it's going to be a lot closer than people think. Luck is as close to a sure thing as they come. Too bad for Indy that's still a far cry from a guarantee.

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Honestly I had no problems tanking this year for RG3 had we passed on Locker

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by nolesbroncos3456 on Jan 9, 2012 12:23 PM CST via Android app reply actions  

I've been saying this for months!

But everyone just called me a hater…huge O-line and a good power running attack can inflate any QB’s number to god like status…he’s good but not Peyton good…already not yet…

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by rsikes on Jan 9, 2012 12:31 PM CST reply actions  

One of my favorite Titans of all time

Remembering back to the late 90’s there were always a couple of big name guys with the Titans.
Who woulda thunk out of a group of Titans including a QB (Mac 9 God rest his soul), RB (Eddie), DE (Tha Freak), and a WR (Mason) that the WR would last the longest and be the most productive in the league, given our penchant for complete draft failure with WR’s (prior to the Kenny Britt era)

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by Chris Colgan on Jan 9, 2012 5:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Good article.

I felt the same way watching the Fiesta Bowl. No high risk passes (his two deep passes were blown coverage), alot of short completions aided by a power running game. I honestly think the Peyton Manning stuff comes about because of the audibles more than anything.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 9, 2012 12:33 PM CST reply actions  

His pocket presence, decision-making, and accuracy are all very, very good

However, I do have questions about his arm strength and making those throws consistently.

He obviously deserves the #1 pick but you will need to surround him with a quality team. I don’t see him being the same caliber as Peyton Manning…but I doubt I would ever see a college QB of being capable of what Manning has done.

by shawneriksmith on Jan 9, 2012 12:36 PM CST reply actions  

Competition

He played in the Pac12 too, which isn’t exactly full of great defenses. I didn’t watch many Stanford games, but it seems like every pass I saw him make the guy was open by 15-20 yards. He definately got the ball there, but couldn’t almost anyone at that point?

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by Evanbio on Jan 9, 2012 12:46 PM CST reply actions  

My fear? I'm over it. Bring on Luck!

I’ve come to grips with Luck to the Colts (bastards). Nothing we can do but accept it anyway. I was far more impressed with what I seen from Locker in limited action this season than what I seen from Luck in the Bowl game. Granted, that was pretty much the extent of game action I saw of Luck’s this year though. However, I will say, if they’re gonna get Luck, then I hope they have to deal Manning. The thought of Luck sitting and learning behind Manning is the worst part of it.

And tell you the truth, I’m starting to look forward to the idea of Locker vs Luck. It will be prime time TV.

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by J3G77 on Jan 9, 2012 12:57 PM CST reply actions  

Only a sith deals in absolutes

Yes

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by StPrattrick on Jan 9, 2012 1:37 PM CST reply actions  

Great article, dreese! Just one update:

As of yesterday, the pope converted to the Church of Tebow.

"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.

by criollo_pcg on Jan 9, 2012 1:38 PM CST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

I’m not good with analyzing QBs. Well…or much of anything on the field. I’m more of a know-nothing who just watches. BUT, you say that Luck gets mostly short throws so it inflates his numbers. That sounds like the same thing that NO does with Brees…short TE passes, screens, slants, hot routes, all short and usually simple stuff that relies more on the receiver to get significant yardage than it does the throw. Sure, NFL “simple passes” are nowhere near as easy as NCAA “simple passes,” but maybe Luck will be put into that kind of offense.

Honestly, I think he’s talented and will play ok, but I’m more excited about Jake Locker, too.

by HitMan83 on Jan 9, 2012 1:51 PM CST reply actions  

now

they’ll just have to suck forWITH Luck

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by stetix01 on Jan 9, 2012 1:52 PM CST reply actions  

I'm buying the hype.

He’s not a sure thing, but it’s about as close as they come. All reports are that he has all sorts of control of that offense pre-snap. And really, that’s what separates the great from the good at the next level. It’s the mental things. Most high end prospects can make all the throws, but few are given command of an offense the way he was at Stanford.

Of course, that doesn’t make him risk free (and, for my money, I’d take RGIII, but that’s a different discussion). Still, compared to other QB’s selected first (Newton, Bradford, Stafford, Ryan, Young, Smith), it’s easy to understand why people are so enamored with Luck. His “red flags” are minimal compared to the others in this group.

by SuperHorn on Jan 9, 2012 2:04 PM CST reply actions  

Is it a forgone conclusion that Manning is out the door once they draft Luck?

It seems like a lot of people are assuming that, but I don’t see the Colts dumping Peyton. It may be a couple of years before we get to see Luck.

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by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 9, 2012 2:10 PM CST reply actions  

He's due a huge bonus, $28 million.

Sounds like he is willing to defer the option on when that gets paid, but he isn’t going to forego that cash all together. They’ve got a ton of FAs as is and serious lack of depth, no way you can invest that much money in Manning, then have Luck sitting on the bench. Neither would have any personnel around them.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 9, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

the problem is, they have to pay him right when deadline expires due to some random rule saying they can't defer it

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by nolesbroncos3456 on Jan 9, 2012 3:06 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Manning's contract is going to handcuff them, sure.

But with the limited amount of money that rookies get now, it seems reasonable that they could afford them both.

I just can’t imagine they want to completely dump perhaps the best QB to ever play for a guy who is a relative unknown. If I was the Colts front office, I think I’d love to have Luck sitting on the bench for a while. Rebuild for a couple of drafts before you have to worry about playing him.

"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"

by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 9, 2012 5:41 PM CST up reply actions  

well we might see peyton gone in March thanks to that huge bonus they have to give him

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by nolesbroncos3456 on Jan 9, 2012 2:27 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Just read an interesting article.

http://blogs.tennessean.com/titans/2012/01/06/a-case-for-starting-jake-locker-in-2012/

Gives the reasons we should start Locker over HBeck. While his argument for Locker makes sense, the part I found interesting was the completion percentage for both QBs. Locker was at 51.5 percent and Hasslebeck was at 61.6. I can’t wait to see Locker start, but I want him to hit the short and intermediate routes before he is the full time starter.

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by DuelDukes on Jan 9, 2012 2:12 PM CST reply actions  

The offseason will help him clean up most of those issues.

He gets a full offseason with the coaches/players and can further enhance his awesomeness

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by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Jan 9, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I wanted them to draft a kicker

Oh well, one can dream…

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by NJD28 on Jan 9, 2012 2:47 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I may get roasted for this

But I’d be more scared of the Colts if they took RG3 over Luck. Imagine if RG3 got tutored by Manning and learns to play the QB position like Manning, but with Michael Vick athleticism. Sure, he’s probably more injury prone, but I’d still be more scared of Indy if they got him over Luck. Luck is the better QB, passing wise, but RG3 is a crazy-good athlete.

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by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Jan 9, 2012 2:49 PM CST reply actions  

Re:
Luck is the better QB, passing wise, but RG3 is a crazy-good athlete.

I’m not entirely convinced of this. Today, RGIII throws a better deep ball than Luck, and the kid’s still rough around the edges. His upside is tremendous.

by SuperHorn on Jan 9, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah.

I don’t know that Luck is the better passer. I think the proper word is that he’s the more polished passer.

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by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 9, 2012 5:42 PM CST up reply actions  

same wavelength

when colts had chance to possibly not get 1st pick, i was nervous of RGIII in a colts uni too. plus i dont really like luck all that much despite his father’s ties to our team, so might as well be on a team i’m never gonna root for anyway (unless they’re playing pitts or we need them to beat someone in a tie-breaker scenario)

by NJ Titans Fan on Jan 9, 2012 5:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Watching Luck in the huddle and before the snap was impressive. He was like a computer out there.

No one’s a sure thing, but he’s for sure a “safer” pick than other QBs we’ve seen drafted. He is Manning-like at the line of scrimmage. The fact he has that sort of command and knowledge already is quite a feat. Is his arm a rocket? No, absolutely not, but it isn’t weak by any means, and that’s all the matters. As long as a QB can make all the throws (and yes, he can, watch more than the Fiesta Bowl), that’s enough “arm strength” for me.

His athleticism is underrated, he’s squeaky clean off the field, and comes with a tremendous amount of college production. I don’t see anything not to like. RGIII might be the upside/potential guy, but if I were holding the first pick I’d take Luck and be confident that he’ll be an elite QB for 10 years.

Watching Luck compared to RGIII, I came away more impressed with Luck. Griffin can do more in terms of running and has the splash plays, but Luck is a superior QB. Griffin needs more time under center, didn’t have near as many responsibilities in the huddle and at the line as Luck, and places more of his production on raw athleticism.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jan 9, 2012 4:22 PM CST reply actions  

One could argue that Griffin was in a decidedly worse situation, yet still put up better numbers in nearly every meaningful statistical category.

Luck may be more advanced with presnap reads, safety manipulation, etc, but I think Griffin may actually be the better pure passer of the two.

by SuperHorn on Jan 9, 2012 5:38 PM CST up reply actions  

It's worth considering that arm strength can improve, too.

"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"

by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 9, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions  

wait... water is wet?!

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by StPrattrick on Jan 9, 2012 4:52 PM CST reply actions  

Grass is Green?!?!?!?!?

AHHHHHHH

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by Chris Colgan on Jan 9, 2012 5:30 PM CST up reply actions  

My mind has been blown

I was so sure the Pope was Buddhist. This changes my entire outlook on life.

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by NJD28 on Jan 9, 2012 9:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

The Locker Vs Luck Debate

Was raging on a year ago and Locker was in the lead as far as I can tell in most places online. Quite a few were a mixed bag. Regardless, I’m happy with Locker and don’t think it’s a far stretch that he will be the better qb. Who knows, but I’ll take our team and coaching staff over the colts, even with Luck.

by Sekular on Jan 9, 2012 5:29 PM CST reply actions  

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