Word of Muth Recaps the 2011 Titans Offensive Line
by Jimmy on Jan 5, 2012 4:15 PM CST
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PrintBen Muth of Football Outsiders has an excellent recap of the 2011 Titans' offensive line. You should go over there and read the whole article. A few bullet points after the jump.
- Muth obviously knows a lot more about offensive line play than I do, but I just cannot get on board with how easy he takes it on Leroy Harris and Eugene Amano; specifically this about Harris:
His biggest fault is a tendency to commit penalties, some of which seem incredibly dumb. Obviously, penalties up front can kill a lot of drives, but I’d rather take a talented player with a slight discipline problem than a guy who can’t play.
I think Harris is both a guy with a discipline problem and a guy who can't play. - He concludes that Jake Scott was the worst of the group. I have to agree, and again will say that he should not be re-signed under any circumstances.
- Muth concludes the article with this:
Really, if they can get a new inside guy (either a guard or center), they can shuffle some things around and get back to where they were a couple of years ago.
He is a little more optimistic there than I am. I do think they could be a good offensive line if they got a nasty center in there and moved Amano back to guard, but they will be better with Amano at guard and Harris on the bench.
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He does seem to be really easy on them.
I admit I am not some pro evaluator of O-linemen, but I don’t see why he has confidence in any of them doing anything remotely resembling blocking.
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I admit I am not some pro evaluator of O-linemen
This might be a lot of our problems around here. It seems like the O-line gets a lot of praise from outside sources and a lot of us are pretty salty from a ton of their failures, but maybe we are being bigger critics of them because when we see CJ dance around behind the line or Hass hold onto the ball for too long, we immediately blame the O-line. Seems like he places the blame in the correct areas and believes with some shuffling around they could be dominate again.
Possibly 2 Hall of Fame O-line coaches, Might know what they are talking about… ?
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They clearly don't know what they are talking about when our O-line is ranked dead last in the league.
By these same people i’m pretty sure. I’m not sure how you can be so lenient on the worst O-line by your own admission.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 5, 2012 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
It could be one of a bunch of different things; Palmers play calling, CJ, Hasselbeck, he said himself - Jake Scott straight sucks
I am just playing devils advocate is all, not that I really believe it. I am just sayin’
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This is pretty good;
I thought Jake Scott was the worst player on Tennessee’s offensive line, and the second-biggest reason their running game struggled so much (the biggest reason made a lot more money than Jake Scott) this year
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He addressed that in the article, actually.
He pointed out that their adjusted line yards were terrible, but said that much of that falls on CJ.
He also praised the line for pretty much always having one of the lowest adjusted sack rates.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 5, 2012 6:03 PM CST up reply actions
Some of it falls on CJ, sure.
But when your center gets bull rushed so far into the backfield that he trips CJ… well…
It just seems they go pretty easy on a couple of guys that can’t block a bull rush from any marginal D-lineman.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 5, 2012 6:05 PM CST up reply actions
You're really, really overblowing that, though.
He wasn’t being tripped by the Center every time he tried to run the ball.
And as I mentioned below, the only guy I thought he was too easy on was Harris. He nailed it with Amano and Scott.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 5, 2012 6:08 PM CST up reply actions
nearly everytime
the other times it was the dt after he got past amano
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You realize that's just not true, right?
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 5, 2012 6:46 PM CST up reply actions
umm no
think about in the second colts game, the only time amano did good in blocking is when the colts d-line put no one over him, that was the 35 yard run.
all the other runs he was, physically whipped, beaten, and embarressed.
its nothing new thsi has been happening to him since last season
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You're completely changing the argument.
You originally said that CJ was getting tripped by the center “nearly everytime.”
That’s not true, no matter how much you want it to be.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 5, 2012 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
has it happened before? yes
Plus i was using sarcasm when i said nearly everytime.
haha, come on man bring your sarcasmo detector
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And you are using the Colts as an example?
their D-line B-slaps the shit out of us every year. I am pretty sure they know exactly how to play our O-line and who to rush every time we play them.
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usually thats just their ends though,
i’m just adding up amano’s suckage
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Jan 5, 2012 11:51 PM CST up reply actions
nearly everytime
If this was the case, I wouldn’t think we would be one of the lowest in sack rates year in and year out despite who is playing QB…
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but amano usually only gets owned in
run calls, but later in the year it was pass plays as well
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Jan 5, 2012 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
Just curious, what are your credentials?...
that’s a pretty bold statement to say they clearly don’t know what they’re talking about.
No shit huh?
I thought my comment was pretty unbiased and actually submitting that maybe we all from our arm chairs don’t know or see the things 2 Hall of Fame Linemen coaches see… but nope guess not. WE JUST DON’T GET IT!
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I am saying that if they knew what they were doing our line wouldn't suck ass.
Simple as that, really.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 5, 2012 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
Two things to consider:
1) Even if the coaches know what they’re doing, they can only do so much with subpar talent.
2) People who know a lot more than you (Ben Muth) think they’re better than they get credit for.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 5, 2012 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
I'd be careful about taking "expert's" words as gospel.
Yes he played offensive line. And, yes he probably knows more about the x’s and o’s than a lot of us.
Offensive line play is a complicated thing to evaluate, and probably more than any other unit/position in the NFL is one that is tiptoed around in terms of armchair evaluation from fans. Mostly, I think, because most people (myself included) don’t totally understand the intricacies.
Muth’s credentials give me pause and will certainly make me go back and re-evaluate things, but just reading this article doesn’t immediately change my opinion just because the writer has credentials. I know what I saw. Amano constantly getting blown up by 0/1 techs immediately after the ball is snapped. Harris not getting to the point of attack when asked to pull on power runs. Those things happened.
But he isn't saying Amano deserves no blame, his second sentence;
I think Amano is probably slightly below-average as a blocker, but I think he deserves more credit as a director.
He knows he gets over power a lot, but calls out blitz’s and line adjustments well. I think people are getting their panties all bunched up because he’s not agreeing with their armchair assessment and giving them an “F F F F F F F!!!! TERRIBLE!!!”. All I stated above was that maybe we don’t see the whole picture and we are too quick to call out who the problem(s) are.
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I get all that. I wouldn't make too much of my Amano comment, as he more or less agrees with that in his post (though he is pretty dismissive about it).
Like I said before, Tennessee’s offensive line wasn’t an issue this year — in fact, it was probably a strength.
It’s statements like this. Anyone that watched the Titans knows that the offensive line was a HUGE problem. Hell, by FO’s own metrics, we’re worst in the league in run blocking.
The whole article just reeks of someone who’s working from a small sample size, and writing as if he’s seen every play this season. Maybe I’m wrong. The whole “Harris pulls well” thing is a gigantic red flag for me, though.
I think the Harris topic he missed on IMO
and his penalties alone are worth getting him benched. I think mainly where I am going with it is pretty much saying to the CJ apologists when it was ALL the O-lines fault for CJ’s troubles:
I thought Jake Scott was the worst player on Tennessee’s offensive line, and the second-biggest reason their running game struggled so much (the biggest reason made a lot more money than Jake Scott) this year
But I even stated above that I want Amano replaced at center, and would love to draft a new 1st/2nd round center for Locker to grow with (Thinking Pey Pey and Saturday). We could do some shuffling because I think a few guys are playing out of position and we could be dominate again. It’s not as bad as it seems.
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Yeah, I hear ya.
I think his individual player evaluations are at least pretty close. I think his perspective as a whole is different from ours because of the fact that he breaks down I’m guessing roughly half the games just from a perspective of evaluating film rather than living and dying on every single play, like we fans tend to do. I’m not saying he’s more right because of that. I think there’s something to be said for game context as opposed to just watching plays for the sake of breaking them down.
And I’m not even claiming that the offensive line was good this year. I still wouldn’t mind seeing the entire interior line get replaced if at all possible.
I just think they probably played better than many people ave them credit for this year, and I’ve thought that for pretty much the whole season. Muth’s perspective on how they played is a lot sunnier than mine was, but even if he’s not completely correct, I think his words carry some weight.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 6, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
IMO, I get frustrated by mostly the interior guys from comitting penalties.
And Harris has a knack for doing that often. Also, the other reason we get frustrated is that when the interior guys do blow their assignments or anything, it usually causes penetration and a free hit on CJ before even he can hit the line. This is especially frustrating cause we know how good CJ can be if he has a hole to go through.
by infinitystealth on Jan 5, 2012 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
Harris, IMO is the worst human to ever play football. Period
This is just not his game.
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It's so frustrating when we get in 1st and 20 or 2nd/3rd and long cause of his holding penalties.
Man that game against the Saints where he committed a holding and clipping penalty for 1st and 35 wiping out that 20 yard gain or something by Ringer. I WAS SOOO PISSED. Was about to throw my frikin remote at the TV.
by infinitystealth on Jan 5, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
Same here, because he didn't even try to hide it.
He is just so terrible at everything he does.
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I just question how good he actually could be without his penalties.
Cause, as Football Outsiders said, he is otherwise not too bad. Maybe we might be overreacting cause of those damn penalties? I don’t know what I’d rather have though:
a) Player who commits holding penalties often leaving us in long distance downs a lot, but is otherwise pretty good.
b) Player who just sucks and lets in too much penetration.
by infinitystealth on Jan 5, 2012 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
From what I saw from my arm chair;
he killed more drives with penalties, then I saw him stand out and keep drives alive IMO
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I definitely think you're onto something.
I agree with most of what he said other than the fact that I think he may have been a little too easy on Harris.
He had some nice things to say, but if you read the personal player bios, he said Scott sucks, and really nailed Amano’s game, I think. He’s a smart player, good technique, good pass blocker, but he’s really just not big/strong enough and should be replaced.
He also complimented the technique of guys like Stewart and pointed towards good coaching.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 5, 2012 6:07 PM CST up reply actions
He actually praised Amano for directing the line as to where the blitz is coming from
something we can’t really see from our view all to well. He just gets physically outmatched a lot.
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Yeah.
And I’m not saying I want Amano to be the Center next year, but that will be an extremely important trait for Locker’s future Center to have.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 5, 2012 7:53 PM CST up reply actions
I think this should be one of our biggest needs this off-season
finding a Center Locker can develop with and trust in.
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I agree.
And if that guy’s not there or isn’t ready right away, I’d rather upgrade the guard spots and have a Center who can’t run block but who is going to call good protections and take care of Locker than a big, strong dominating run blocker who won’t be able to single out blitzers, etc.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 5, 2012 8:03 PM CST up reply actions
Yulp! Agreed
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Howdy! I'm new here. I still blame the line
by Titanpilot on Jan 6, 2012 3:45 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
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Howdy! I'm new here. I still blame the line.
I started by blaming cj, but the more I watched…Has to be the ol.
by Titanpilot on Jan 6, 2012 3:48 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I really respect Muth.
I love reading his articles.
I agree with him that Jake Scott was terrible. I was always very surprised that he got such a pass around here.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 5, 2012 4:37 PM CST reply actions
Worse than Harris?
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not even the running backs
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i think they are equal
and Jake scott is sad because he’s underachieving in comparison to Harris and Amano.
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Great read.
I would also like to say, as an o-line coach, I always respected Munchak cause he always took guys from mid-late rounds or guys that weren’t really in the top echelon of the o-lineman in the league, and transformed them into “technically sound” players. That’s all you can ask from a position coach, which is why he was always one of my favourite coaches on the staff. That is also why I don’t question his decisions regarding the o-line.
Also, just imagine finally giving Munchak a talented o-lineman from the draft (ex. Decastro or Konz or someone). That would be scary to watch how good that player could become seeing as how good he makes players with less talent look like solid players.
Maybe that's why he is sticking with these guys at O-line because he is so personally invested in their development?
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so Jommy, are we having double secret MCM radio tonight?
We need to have the saint show up on time once lol
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Apparently I am on double secret probation from the MCM chatroom...
because everytime I try to find it, it’s gone.
Might be because it’s at 1030 at night too… but who’s counting?
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LOL late night MCM Radio sounds like a fun idea
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Muth respects him, too, clearly.
Our O-line may not be physically dominating, especially at the interior, but they’re a technically sound group who usually knows what they’re doing.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 5, 2012 6:11 PM CST up reply actions
hooks me in the first paragraph
It’s weird to call a team that went 9-7 disappointing, especially considering low preseason expectations, but I think Tennessee fits that label. They played in a conference where T.J. Yates, Curtis Painter, and Blaine Gabbert all started multiple games. Tennessee lost games to teams starting Luke McCown and Dan Orlovsky. Really, Tennessee probably should have made the playoffs.
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harris and amano still suck though
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Here's another great Word of Muth:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/word-muth/2011/word-muth-consistency-tennessee
In this one, he praises the line for being consistent overall, and says that CJs bounce back late in the season was because he was finally starting to step his game up.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 5, 2012 6:41 PM CST reply actions
i just dont know what he's watching
we give up so much penetration on run plays.
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He does admit that he only watched tape on "6 or 7 games."
But that’s more tape than I’ve watched for the specific purpose of judging the offensive line.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 5, 2012 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
depending on which games, that could be the answer.
i always try to pay attention to the line of scrimmage when i watch football, because watching the ball is kind of pointless until the camera moves down field, if you think about it. i see a lot of the elite RBs out there get vastly better blocking than CJ saw this year. Foster and Ray Rice in particular. the Patsies also knock some massive holes in the D-line for BJGE and Woodhead. we never have those “wow” moments ever in run blocking.
the other thing our o-line is terrible about is getting to the second level and blocking LBs. that is totally omitted from the article as well. that’s supposed to be one of the massive advantages of zone blocking, and we are piss poor at it.
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I watch the O line a lot, too.
Almost exclusively, actually. 1 consideration is that you can’t really get a ton of info from standard NFL camera angles. It’s really best to watch from behind, which I’m guessing is the angle that Muth’s tape is from. It’s also helpful to watch each play a few times so you can focus on individual linemen and not have to watch the group as a whole and hope something jumps out at you. From just watching the game play out from standard perspective live, I tend to only really be able notice the big time blowups and missed blocks unless I force myself to focus on an individual.
Also, in the past, I’ve been impressed with our interior line’s ability to get to linebackers. I always thought their biggest weakness was at the point of attack. I agree that they took a step back in that department, though.
I guess what it comes down to is, “consistent” doesn’t really have to mean “consistently good.” I think at the end of the day, the linemen are who they are, for better or worse, and there’s not been a lot of fluctuation all season. Amano is decent in pass protection, makes good line calls, and too weak to overpower a DT pretty much week in and week out, etc.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 5, 2012 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
I think they are letting the O-lines performance in pass blocking (which was outstanding ill give them that) obscure their run blocking performance.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 5, 2012 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
Because since when has pass blocking been important... amiright?!
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Where did i see anything like that?
I’m saying you can’t give them a pass on run blocking just because they pass block well.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 6, 2012 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think anyone is giving them a pass?
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I'm pretty sure saying the offensive line wasn't an issue this year is giving them a pass.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 6, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
Who is saying the offensive line wasn't an issue??
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Uh... Muth.
In the article there…
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 6, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
I see him pointing out plenty of problems with the O-line... did you read the article?
Leroy Harris:
His biggest fault is a tendency to commit penalties, some of which seem incredibly dumb.
which I don’t agree that is his ONLY problem…
Amano:
That being said, I can see why people want more of him physically. The main thing I notice is that he tends to set very deep in pass protection. This helps the interior line pass off games (twists or stunts) to each other, but puts Amano in bad position one-on-one a lot. Because he sets so deep initially, he’s often close enough to the quarterback to make him uncomfortable. Another thing Amano struggles with is reaching nose tackles without help. If he is in a combination block with a guard, he’s fine. But when he’s by himself, he tends to give up too much penetration.
Which is true.
Jack Scott:
I thought Jake Scott was the worst player on Tennessee’s offensive line, and the second-biggest reason their running game struggled so much (the biggest reason made a lot more money than Jake Scott) this year.
He is just terrible in general.
He even digs into Stewart.
So where are you seeing he isn’t saying the O-line wasn’t an issue?
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Second to last paragraph.
If you are going to start lambasting me about stuff, read it thoroughly. I don’t just make up shit.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 6, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
Like I said before, Tennessee’s offensive line wasn’t an issue this year
Disagree with it.
But I said he pointed out plenty of problems the O-line had, so he jumped around his own point. I would say all those reasons above are pretty serious problems that he shouldn’t be saying “The offensive line wasn’t an issue” – it was an issue, but I don’t think it was as big an issue as we are making it out to be.
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I think its a plenty big issue.
Was it our one season killer? No. But it was a major reason we had no running game (regardless of your opinion on CJ) and a major reason for our teams failures this year. I don’t think one knowledgeable persons opinion changes that for me.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 6, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
one knowledgeable persons opinion changes that for me.
Wow.
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Because of the fact that he says some questionable things in the article.
So while he may be a better evaluator than me, he says some things that my eyes can even see.
Don’t make this some big thing, though i already know you will.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 6, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
haha you know me too well.
I’m over it.
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I equate it to this scenario:
A former running back comes out and says that CJ wasn’t an issue this year. While he is probably more knowledgeable about evaluating running backs, I’m probably still going to think CJ sucked it up. Thats more of where I’m coming from here.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 6, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
You just said;
Don’t make this some big thing, though i already know you will.
So I said fine, but you still keep going…?
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I just wanted to explain myself better.
Now i’m done.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 6, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
I understand what you are saying
and this years play is warrant enough to not trust our O-line ever again, but an educated out-side perspective gives us a decent argument on things we probably look over because of our hate-goggles. All I am saying is this opinion has to sway your view a bit because maybe we don’t know as much as we think we do…
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It sways me in some ways.
Like i was probably not hating on Scott enough, for instance. And I definitely give them much credit for their pass blocking, and that is something we have to consider when talking about how much we need new people.
In terms of how big an issue i think they are, I am not as swayed.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 6, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
I can respect that
even though I think you are wrong.
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One thing I noticed from the games I went to
CJ does some things that don’t show up on TV that make the OL look worse than they are. Honestly, I think you have to have end zone camera angles to fairly evaluate a running game.
What was it?
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Hasselbeck's most impressive stat
For the year, Hasselbeck was sacked just 3.54% of drop-backs, good for second in the league behind Brees (3.52%). It is his career low by a good margin. Kerry Collins was always near the top in the league in this catetory.
Credit is due somewhere, and we all know it is not to these QBs that are as mobile as the Statue of Liberty. Nothing this o-line can do will truly impress, until Jake’s legs and cannon is unlocked in the beautiful forthcoming roll-outs.
I wholeheartedly disagree with the Harris evaluation.
If I didn’t know any better I’d think the “Harris pulls well” comment was sarcasm.
As for this:
Tennessee’s pass protection is really good. It doesn’t seem to matter which quarterback is behind them or who is calling the plays in from the headset: The Titans always finish near the top of the league in adjusted sack rate.Either Advanced NFL Stats or PFF did a piece on QB’s getting the ball out on time last year, and, surprise, our QB’s were at (or near) the top of the list. This year we’ve got a WCO QB that’s conditioned to get the ball out quick. I do think the O-line is better in pass protection than run blocking, but I think the QB should get a lot more credit for this.
I’m no expert, but I think the solution is to release Scott/Harris, move the remaining one to reserve, sign/draft both a center and guard, and move Amano back to the guard position.
by SuperHorn on Jan 6, 2012 7:39 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
This being said;
Either Advanced NFL Stats or PFF did a piece on QB’s getting the ball out on time last year, and, surprise, our QB’s were at (or near) the top of the list
With Pey Pey, the Colts line was among the better of the lines in football while he is QB-ing because he gets the ball out so quick and on time… once Pey Pey isn’t there, they are a hot mess. With your starting QB the line expects a certain timing the ball is being delivered for them to be effective, asking them to go beyond that is no man’s land. So what I am getting at is the QB has a responsibility of getting the ball out On Time and the Line can/will protect them – making them look like great pass blockers.
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