Tennessee Titans Daily Links: The First Of A Million Headlines Featuring The Term 'Open Competition' Edition
by August West on Jan 3, 2012 11:35 AM CST
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Jerry Gray says he's happy with some of the progress the defense made this year, but he's expecting more from the unit next year in a few specific areas:
"Points allowed we're doing a pretty good job, but as far as stopping the run, that's our main thing," Gray said Thursday. "We have to get a little better there ... Then the sacks will come, and I think a lot more opportunities on getting interceptions will come when you can force a team to pass the ball."
The big story heading into next season's training camp has already been established: Jake Locker and Matt Hasselbeck will be part of an open competition for the starting QB spot for 2012. The competition should push both guys to work like hell this offseason, but the spot has to unofficially Jake Locker's to lose. If he's not starting on week 1, it'll instantly be taken as a sign that the coaches are worried whether that's the case or not...
Early reports are saying that St. Louis is looking like the front-runner for Jeff Fisher. That connection makes sense considering Fisher wanted a GM he liked and a young, front-line QB, and the Rams fired their GM and still expect big things from Sam Bradford. Once Fisher is installed as a head coach, it'll be interesting to see if he comes calling for any of the position coaches that are still in Nashville, namely Dowell Loggains, Dave McGinnis and Marcus Robertson.
Fisher could also be interviewing with the Dolphins, even if it's just for a free trip to South Beach.
There are a lot of Titans, some of whom have been here for a long time, who have no idea if they'll be wearing the two-toned blue next season.
Munchak stepped up again to defend Chris Johnson's poor 2011 totals.
Immediately after being eliminated from the playoffs, Reinfeldt started with the baby steps of the offseason plan by locking up the practice squad guys to futures contracts.
Congrats to punter Brett Kern, who set the franchise punting record for net yardage average with 39.4.
David Boclair looks back at the 2011 season, and Mike Munchak's freshman coaching effort.
Paul K writes what any sane person already knows: Chris Johnson is going to be a Titan in 2012, despite his down season after getting his huge contract.
The Titans finished the regular season at a respectable 13th in overall DVOA.
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Re: defense.
We actually did pretty well as a scoring defense, even taking into consideration the couple of blowouts we had against us. I think run defense and (perhaps more importantly) third down defense HAS to improve. How many times this year did we see a 3rd-and-long conversion? I think part of that is a direct result of an ineffective or inconsistent pass rush. Can’t expect our CBs to stick with their man for twenty seconds if the line isn’t getting pressure on the QB.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 3, 2012 11:45 AM CST reply actions
Ou pass rush was non existent
Aside from Klug and maybe Ball (so-so) we had nobody who could generate any heat. ANY.
That is a huge problem in this pass happy era.
We have to sign a free agent DE (not named jason Jones, Dave Ball, or William Hayes) who can rush the passer. I am all for drafting one in rounds 1-2 as well.
I like resigning Ball
But where does Jones fit in at DT? We are obvs going to have Casey back. He starts.
The other DT spot we have Shaun Smith and Marks under contract for 2012. So even if we cut one (more likely Smith than Marks as Marks still is on his rookie contract), then our starting DT spots are filled.
Then we have Klug as a rotation guy.
So you want to keep Jonesas another DT? Jones is a free agent, and will be looking for big bucks. He will likely be offered in the 5-6 million range per year, if not more.
If you were a GM, would you resign Jason Jones to a 4 year, 22 million dollar contract when you already have Marks, Klug, Smith and Zack Clayton? Keep in mind you are signing him to be a rotational guy, and he doesnt even fit into Jerry Gray’s scheme (bigger DT’s).
Clayton hasn't shown anything yet, and you'd ideally like to have 4 DTs for a rotation.
A situation where Marks and Smith could be our run stoppers and Klug and JJ could be our pass rushers is not out of the question, either.
I’m not saying they’ll do it, but it’s something they’ll have to think hard about. JJ has been a very good player.
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by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 3, 2012 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think Shaun Smith will make the team.
Casey, Klug, Marks + one more (I’m not opposed to Jones, but I think they’ll move on) is fine by me.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jan 3, 2012 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
Also...could totally see McGinnis joining Fisher in STL.
Maybe even as the DC if Cecil isn’t the choice. Don’t know how he could be.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 3, 2012 11:46 AM CST reply actions
RE: DC Cecil going to the Rams
lolololololololololololololololol
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That would be icing on the cake if Cecil went there as the DC
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Sorry for all the comments, reading through all the articles...
Love the quote from Munchak in Boclair’s article about talking to all the potential FAs…
“I want an opportunity to speak with them all so I know where they stand, they know where we stand and at least as a decision is made, they know we’re on the same page."
Didn’t we see over the past several years comments from guys who said they were pretty much in the dark about everything related to that stuff? I appreciate that Munchak wants to be honest and open with them, even if it’s not what they want to hear.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 3, 2012 12:04 PM CST reply actions
I'm a bit unsure so I'm curious...
I expected some positional coaches to possibly be hit on by Fish when he lands somewhere but what about scouts and etc. Are those more of an organizational ties, or would Fish be able to lure those too?
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How would you grade our 2012 Mock Draft done by Bucs Nation? 3 rounds.
20. Tennessee Titans
Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin
The Titans’ O-line has been abysmal all season long. Drafting Konz would give Tennessee a top talent in the middle and would allow them to shift Eugene Amano to left guard, effectively upgrading both positions.
52. Tennessee Titans
Shea McClellin, DE, Boise State
The Titans need to improve their pass rush, and McClellin is one of the top players available.
84. Tennessee Titans
Danny Trevathan, OLB, Kentucky
Will Witherspoon is on his way out and Barrett Ruud has been hopeless. Akeem Ayers and Colin McCarthy are the future of the Titans’ LB corps, but they need a Will. Enter Danny Trevathan, number five in the nation in tackles despite playing for an SEC punching bag (and the 2010 leader in tackles in the SEC).
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by Titans_Firefighter on Jan 3, 2012 12:11 PM CST reply actions
I don't know anything about the 2nd/3rd round picks, but I would be happy with those positions being addressed.
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like the positions but not the players
fail
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Jan 3, 2012 12:14 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
How can you not like any Wisconsin OL?
Love those guys.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 3, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
I meant to say the 2nd 3rd round guys I don't like
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Jan 3, 2012 12:18 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Looks good to me.
And the more I think about it…the more I’m leaning going Konz in the first round and doing exactly what that mock says, especially if we don’t grab a FA center.
Shifting Amano back to G would effectively upgrade two spots and make our job easier in FA in just grabbing one FA G, and maintain at least some continuity on the line.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 3, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
I have heard of Trevathan, the guy from Kentucky.
Here is a scouting report on him from Charlie Campbell:
http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2012dtrevathan.php
Looks good, he sees him as a fit for the titans, has that mean streak and hard hitter, REALLY GOOD run defender (we need this bad). I am down for this type of player, since he seems to not have the attitude problem that Burfict has but has a lot of the things we like from Burfict.
by infinitystealth on Jan 3, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
After reading that, I'm all for getting him in the 3rd round.
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by Titans_Firefighter on Jan 3, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
I would be totally fine with taking this right now.
No sexy picks, but we’re set at the sexy positions. People want a WR, but when Britt comes back, we’re going to have him, Washington, and Cook. I think we get 1 more WR – and it may be beneficial to grab a solid young guy to develop under the current veterans (i.e. get him through the draft) – but the positions addressed here are more dire needs.
I think we’re in a really good spot going into this offseason. The attention is always focused on the skill players, so they often get reached for. But we are set at our skill positions (assuming CJ comes back to form), so we could be poised to get some real steals that really fit our needs in this draft.
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If he’s not starting on week 1, it’ll instantly be taken as a sign that the coaches are worried whether that’s the case or not…
I hope that’s not the case. Rodgers sat for 2 years behind Favre while he posted back to back ~70 QB Ratings. That turned out just fine, and certainly wasn’t any indication that the coaches were worried.
Sitting Locker takes balls as 95% of the fan base will likely be pissed off that they don’t get to see the hope of the franchise immediately. More important than that, though, it shows that this coaching staff has a long leash and clear direction, both of which bode well for the future. Of course, they can have both of these things and start Locker next year.
Whatever the case, this staff seems focused on playing the “long game” instead of winning now. The hope is that we can play for the future and win now if Locker’s ready. If not, I’d encourage the fan base to exercise patience.
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What is this "patience" that you speak of?
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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 3, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Rodgers sat behind Favre for reasons entirely unrelated to football.
Hasselbeck isn’t some legend that will make people cry if he is replaced. I have seen with my eyes that Locker is better than Hasselbeck. If he sits, it will certainly make me wonder what exactly the coaching staff is afraid of.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 3, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
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Rodgers sat behind Favre for reasons entirely unrelated to football.
Then why use a first round pick on Rodgers?
by SuperHorn on Jan 3, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Because they knew they would have to move on from him eventually.
He was already starting to do this retirement waffling thing then. I’m just tired of that being an example when the only real reason Rodgers sat behind Favre for so long is that Favre just wouldn’t GTFO, and the Packers couldn’t just jettison their franchise icon like that.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 3, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
It worked, though, no?
I suppose you think the causality is wrong, though, huh?
by SuperHorn on Jan 3, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
so did playing peyton from day 1
locker is locker. there are success stories for any given scenario. tom brady succeeding didn’t make people fall all over themselves to draft their next franchise QB in the 6th round.
Locker simply brings a lot of things to the table that Hasselbeck can’t. and Hasselebeck, especially down the stretch, did some things that are unbecoming of a veteran, namely turnovers and missed open receivers. so if we are going to get some ugly INT’s and “youthful” mistakes, we might as well get them from someone who brings a lot of upside to the table as well.
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by hal41605 on Jan 3, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
There's a difference between players like Rodgers and Manning.
Manning was polished. His mechanics were great, mentally he was there, and he was ready to step in on day 1.
With guys like Locker (and probably Rodgers, too), part of their game needs developing. With Locker, it’s mechanics and accuracy.
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by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 3, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
devil's advocate says
Locker has looked faaaaar better than manning did as a rookie though.
im not saying he’s a finished product, but he’s certainly good enough to be successful, imo. i’d rather go with the future than be stagnant w/ a past prime vet.
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by hal41605 on Jan 3, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think you're arguing in circles
If a guy’s good, he’s good. I doubt Rodgers benefited massively from not starting his second year; maybe some in his first. But whenever he started, year 1 or year 3, he was gonna be good.
In Rodger’s case, his not starting had zero to do with them being worried about a fragile psyche or understanding of defenses, etc. In our case, the only reasons not to start Locker are:
1) He doesn’t appear to be ready based on offseason and preseason
2) Husselhoff is just better in open competition
Personally, I doubt either 1 or 2 occurs, and I’m betting Locker starts next season, but it sounds to me like coaching staffs’ heads are in the right place with regards to making the decision.
I believe Rodgers said as much when asked:
I doubt Rodgers benefited massively from not starting his second year;
I’m reading Drew Brees’ book, and he said the time on the bench at the start of his career, and then when he was benched later on was very valuable. It allows you to think the game better.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jan 3, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
Theres no way to determine how much a second year sitting helped him.
And using it as an example of a reason to sit Locker for 2 years is disingenuous, considering the reasons evident in Green Bay.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 3, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
sitting Locker wont hurt him though would it?
going with an unproven rookie over a veteran when the vet is playing well is more risky than starting your young QB possibly too soon.
I would still prefer Locker out there, because Im an impatient fan. I think its a really good sign that they are going with open competition in camp though. That speaks volumes of this coaching staff and Jake Locker.
is Locker still unproven?
he has shown he is more than capable of scoring and scoring fast when in the game.
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he definitely looks good, but hasnt started a single game
i hate to say it, but until your’e proven, you are unproven. He’s promising, he’s not Gabbert. We’ve only seen a very small body of work so far. A lot of it was against prevent defenses too. I really dont want to take away from what this kid has shown us, because Im very impressed and I would love to see him start next year. I guess Im trying to see it from the Coach’s perspective really. It does make more sense that way to just have open competition in camp for these two very good QBs.
Guy had us one play away from beating the Saints.
And last i checked, the Saints were a pretty good team. And they weren’t playing prevent for 3 quarters.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 3, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
He also nearly got himself killed when he failed to identify the free blitzer pre-snap.
by SuperHorn on Jan 3, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He nearly got himself sacked, sure, i guess.
People tend to be a little over-dramatic about just how much one hit will impact Locker.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 3, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
Dude, I thought he was done on that play.
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Like i said, people are just scared shitless of Locker ever playing and taking hits.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 3, 2012 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
Not just any hits, that hit specifically
and yes, I am sure everyone is still reserved in letting our shinny new QB get cut in half.
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by StPrattrick on Jan 3, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's the little things, though.
You see big, explosive plays. Coaches see f’d up line checks that allow free blitzers to almost kill their first round draft pick.
by SuperHorn on Jan 3, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yulp
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Coaches are asking themselves, "What the F- have we done?"
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Almost kill?
Again with the dramatics. At some point he will have to learn to do that in actual game time and not practice.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 3, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
Dramatics? Majority of people watching TV thought the same thing
let alone everyone on the sideline.
I was thanking the football Gods when he was able to get off the field under his own power.
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by StPrattrick on Jan 3, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
^This.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Jan 3, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
And then came back into the game
//swoooning
"I can name 31 other starting running backs that would have made that play" 104.5 the zone
I almost had a heart attack watching that hit.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jan 3, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
thanks coach.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
My problem with the start Locker now fans
is that they think that people don’t want to see the kid play. This is patently false and needs to go the way of the dinosaurs. If HBeck can compete with Locker then I think you give him the go ahead. I just want a shot at the SB and I feel like Locker learning his game from a pocket QB for another year may help in his development.
If he’s ready to go then by all means unleash the hounds, but I just don’t want to see what happens to a lot of mobile qb’s happen to Locker. I hope all offseason Locker and HBeck are watching film of Rothberger and Rodgers.
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by DuelDukes on Jan 3, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
SRSLY, I thought all of the happiness I would even know in my life would be gone with Lockers broken back on that play...
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no, he had a great 3 quarters against the saints
thats why i said a lot of it was against prevent and not all of it. that doesnt change the fact that a lot of his limited playing time that we saw, was against prevent defenses does it.
Imagine if all we saw of Hasselbeck was mostly prevent defenses and the same amount of limited playing time.. namely the first four games. we would all be screaming for “Natty Iceburg” wouldnt we.
Dont get me wrong, I would absolutely LOVE to see Locker starting next year, but if he doesnt its not a bad decision.
The veteran is playing average, not well.
And Locker certainly proved himself to me this year.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 3, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
Hasselbeck is above average son
Hasselbeck became the first quarterback for this franchise not named Warren Moon to throw for at least 3,500 yards.
by Jason Jones on Jan 3, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Truth
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Did you look at the stats hal posted?
Just because he isn’t Kerry Collins doesn’t mean he’s good.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 3, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
Actually;
he isn’t Kerry Collins doesn’t mean he’s good.
Matter of fact, it does.
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by StPrattrick on Jan 3, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No, it means he is better than awful.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 3, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
Kerry Collins has been to a Superbowl
Just sayin’
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Jan 3, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
So has Hasselbeck
just sayin’ more
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Please elaborate.
Why above average?
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
Also, passing yards are becoming more and more meaningless.
3 QBs threw for over 5000 yards this season, so 3500 is probably still right in the “average” section.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 3, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
Who was the 3rd?
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Stafford.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 3, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
Holy shit he did!
Congrats to the kid
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Outside of the punkness and stupid penalties, I love what Detroit has done/is doing.
They need to upgrade their secondary and get a healthy RB, but that team can be scary good for a long time so long as Stafford stays healthy.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 3, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
Agree. And Megatron never ceases to amaze!
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
Those are 3 elite QBs
We are talking better or worse than average. I’m hoping that Locker is going to be elite as well and I’m extremely glad hes our future QB. I can honestly say Hasselbeck has never and will never be elite, however, I can also honestly say Hasselbeck is better than average.
look at the numbers
squarely in the mid teens, far worse in TD:INT ratio. average has a meaning, ya know. 32 starters, he’s around the mid teens…. he’s a middle of the road starter. average. the only way he becomes above average is when you start comparing him to back ups.
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You’re comparing him to elite QBs. I was comparing him to average QBs.
Can you give me some other QBs that you think are comparable to Hasselbeck? Ive got a suspicion we both rate him the same. It just may be my definition of average is different from yours.
Also who do you think is above average yet not elite?
uhhh
im comparing him to the 32 best QBs, aka NFL starters. he’s better than about half of them, and worse than about half of them. soo….average, or median if you want to be technical.
Football outsiders puts him the Cam Newton, Joe Flacco, Carson Palmer, Chad Henne neighborhood in terms of per play value.
above average but not elite, at least this season, would be like Ryan, Rivers, Schaub, Dalton, Cutler to name a few
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Ok I agree
I was comparing him to every QB that Id ever seen start in the NFL on a grading scale. You know..
A – Elite
B – Above average
C – Average
D – Below average
F – Fail
I would say Hasselbeck/Flacco are the same. Personally Id take him over Henne and Palmer, not Newton.
Only way he gets back to above average is with KB and a new offensive line.
People seem to forget his last 10 quarters with KB was the best offensive showing we’ve had since #9 MVP year.
"I can name 31 other starting running backs that would have made that play" 104.5 the zone
you do remember that kb and hass barely played together before this season
also, the Jags have an underrated defense
this statement is still clearly false
his last 10 quarters with KB was the best offensive showing we’ve had since #9 MVP year.
like, nowhere close to being true.
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I don't see how you figure it is false?
I will rephrase, HBecks last 8 quarters with KB were the best our QB has looked since number 9. The last half vs. Jacksonville through the Broncos KB season ender. Tell me a stint where our QB played this well since number 9?
"I can name 31 other starting running backs that would have made that play" 104.5 the zone
True, but Volek was our backup
And we were still a terrible team. But it is true that Volek had a ridiculous 4 game stint.
"I can name 31 other starting running backs that would have made that play" 104.5 the zone
nowhere close to being true.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Jan 3, 2012 7:03 PM CST up reply actions
Our offense has done far, far better
Than what we saw in that time period. Simple fact.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Jan 3, 2012 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
it's amazing how lowered our standards have gotten for "good" qb play
Hasselbeck was average, period.
14th in yards
19th in yards per attempt
15th in TDs
16th in QB rating
10th in completion%
16th in DYAR
17th in DVOA
20th in 1st down %
his TD:INT ratio was pretty terrible to boot. can’t find a ranking there, but it’s worse than some QBs who killed their teams with INTs this year like Rivers and Sanchez.
Locker has the potential to do better and Hasselbeck does not, it’s that simple. this was Hass’s best season since 2007 and it was still very, very average. we do not run a west coast offense, so continuing to cling to a guy who is a systematic non-fit is a poor choice as well. he came in, did stop gap duty for a year, and now it’s time to move on and let him mentor from the sidelines and be a trusty back up.
we are going to need way more firepower next year than any sane person could possibly expect from hasselbeck if we want to hang with the murderers row of Manning(Luck)/Rodgers/Stafford/Brady/Cutler/Schaub/Rivers/Roethlisberger next season.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 3, 2012 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
well we didnt need any stats to know Hass was just average this year.
If I had to say right now, I’d say Hass starts the season on a short leash because of age and Locker ready to go.
But like other teams, I think it will take an 0-4 start or something to make the switch.
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Locker has the potential to do better and Hasselbeck does not,
So Locker has the potential to do better with a healthy Britt, healthy Washington, CJ who doesn’t have his head up his ass, and a repair O-line? Shocker!
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Locker's long term development > Winning in 2012
If a scenario exists where the coaching staff believes that Locker isn’t developed enough to start, then I’m OK with him sitting another year, even if he’s the better QB.
Do you think a scenario exists where Locker could benefit from sitting and learning another year?
by SuperHorn on Jan 3, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
don't know, don't care
time to learn by doing. Rodgers is a ridiculous outlier that really doesn’t merit discussion as precedent.
i also don’t think a guy who dealt with extreme adversity his entire college career, and learned 2 distinct styles of football over that time period is going to be crushed by some typical and characteristic early struggles that every QB goes through.
also, no one learns anything special on the sideline. this is a myth that im sick of reading. you can’t see shit from field level. beyond listening to terminology and looking at some still photos (both of which he would do if he were playing as well), he will do his learning in the film room and at practice, and probably moreso if he’s studying his own actions and gameplans made for his abilities and taking 1st team reps.
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by StPrattrick on Jan 3, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So I'm clear, there's no merit to sitting and learning, ever? Or just from year 2 on?
by SuperHorn on Jan 3, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
more than a year is excessive
unless you have a living legend as starter. im sure he could benefit from a lot of different things. i think he benefits more from playing with the full commitment of the coaches making a scheme to fit his talents rather than watch a guy like Hass who plays a totally different style of QB dink and dunk all game.
1st team practice reps, tailor-made gameplans, realtime experience will help his development more than sitting and watching a system he will (hopefully) never run, getting less practice time, not getting up to NFL speed.
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1st team practice reps, tailor-made gameplans, realtime experience will help his development more than sitting and watching a system he will (hopefully) never run, getting less practice time, not getting up to NFL speed.
Maybe. This assumes that he has all the mechanical issues ironed out. There are still some kinks in there.
That said, I fully expect Locker to win the job this offseason. I think he’s taken gigantic strides in his development, and he’s clearly putting in work behind the scenes. I just see a large portion of the fan base that has their pitchforks ready if Locker isn’t named the starter. And, I think a possible scenario exists where Locker could benefit from sitting another year. So we’re clear…possible, not probable…
by SuperHorn on Jan 3, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
the colts game is why
when you show that kind of reluctance to give the young guy a shot when you have every reason in the world to do so, AND it costs you a playoff spot, that’s what happens.
in a perfect scenario to bring him in without committing to him (i.e. Hass is hurt, he’s still the starter when healthy) against a crappy defense, yet you dont put him in until the game is already basically over, well, your judgement gets questioned.
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Alternatively, the coaching staff could look back that unidentified blitzer from the Saints game and fear that Locker's lack of knowledge could get him injured.
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Correct
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You seem to treat it like it was a normal fall-to-the-ground tackle
That was a “Welcome to the NFL” hit.
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no different from what ive seen happen to several other elite QBs
Brady has gotten absolutely destroyed on multiple occasions this year (forced to watch a lot of Pats games, so that’s my reference point). not saying it’s a good thing, but it’s going to happen from time to time. he’s a big boy.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Jan 3, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
true story
so i guess it’s possible that really good, veteran QBs can get hit really hard sometimes.
/shootingstar
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by hal41605 on Jan 3, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
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by StPrattrick on Jan 3, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No one is saying he isn't a big boy
but you are down playing a potentially terrible hit that appeared to happen to our 1st round QB. Could have been extremely bad (it looked like it) thankfully it wasn’t
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it happens. it will probably happen again.
this being football and all.
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Yes. It does.
But, you asked:
when you show that kind of reluctance to give the young guy a shot when you have every reason in the world to do so, AND it costs you a playoff spot, that’s what happens.I’m just pointing out that the coaching staff may have felt some responsibility for that hit given that he wasn’t ready.
To your point about Brady, I’d need to see the plays, but I’d wager that seldom does a Nickel blitz go unnoticed. I’d guess the big blind or broadside hits are a result of good stunts getting a guy free, and not an undiagnosed blitzer pre snap.
A blitzer completely unimpeded by any blocking
that hit Locker HARD, as he threw.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Jan 3, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
hurts.to.say.it..but
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'Dems fightn' words there son
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I was speaking of Dodgeball
and you are correct.
//Ridiculous.
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In some cultures, they only eat vomit. I never been there, but I read about it... *in a book*.
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I think you forgot a "n't" after your 'is', rothbard.
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Nope, I'm a hal nutswinger now
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I respectfully say there is no such scenario.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
Come on man
Let’s see….average numbers with no running game, best weapon off the field, and one solid wide reciever???? I’ll call that success all day.
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Hasselbeck was not playing well.
He led us to a loss against the Colts… and a lot of people saw it coming.
That's because he was injured.
He shouldn’t have started that game.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Jan 3, 2012 7:04 PM CST up reply actions
Im tired of these Rodgers comparisons
The guys a freak. There is no evidence that sitting helped him. You could argue that they wasted valuable playing years to preserve favres legacy. Plenty of QBs have done fine not sitting for a few years and plenty of QBs have sat and never been an Aaron Rodgers.
*This; who cares what has worked for DickPic and Rodgers
all I am worried about is how our QB is doing and progressing. If they have a camp battle and Hasselbeck still beats him out, Hasselbeck deserves to start until Locker unseats him. Really we are fortunate enough to have 2 QBs that are more then capable of leading the team one way or another…
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A reply to all:
First things first, I’m not arguing for sitting Locker. I suppose I wasn’t clear enough about that with this comment:
Whatever the case, this staff seems focused on playing the "long game" instead of winning now. The hope is that we can play for the future and win now if Locker’s ready. If not, I’d encourage the fan base to exercise patience.All that I’m saying is that I think it’s a little presumptuous for any of us to be lumped into one camp. None of us have nearly enough information to make anything resembling an informed opinion.
hal:
so did playing peyton from day 1 locker is locker. there are success stories for any given scenario.The second point we can agree on.
As for the first, that’s one I get a little tired of. Peyton Manning is probably the most NFL ready Qb coming out of college in NFL history. Comparing him to Locker would be like calling a brilliant, first year physics student the same thing as a tenured professor teaching string theory. They are both physicists, but at entirely different education levels, even if the young student has the ability to be better than the professor.
numbertenox and Bonzos:
I think you’re arguing in circles. If a guy’s good, he’s good. I doubt Rodgers benefited massively from not starting his second year; maybe some in his first. But whenever he started, year 1 or year 3, he was gonna be good.That’s the problem, though. You don’t know that. Nor do I. We do know that Rodgers panned out. We also know that he’s been very vocal about how much sitting an learning helped him. We can only speculate as to whether starting Rodgers year 2 would have affected his career trajectory.
I guess the point here to you both, and the reason I bring up Rodgers, is that there are plenty of examples for both starting and sitting a QB early in their career. And, I think it’s important to understand that each case is specific to the individual. As stated before, I don’t think any meaningful conclusions can be drawn as to Locker’s career long term just based on whether he’s the starter next year. I trust this coaching staff to make the right decision.
My point was that using Rodgers as an argument for sitting Locker a SECOND year is disingenuous.
Considering the circumstances that caused him to sit that second year.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 3, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
I'm saying that, at least in that case, I believe that Rodgers benefitted from sitting.
Of course, there’s now way for me to compare the alternative. Then again, there’s no way to suggest that sitting wouldn’t have benefitted some of the QBs that started early in their career.
I think there are cases where a prospect can benefit from sitting 2 years. Why must that be so controversial? Do you not believe that’s possible?
I’m not even saying that I know that’s what’s right for Locker. I’m merely suggesting that possibility exists.
I think I don't want another wasted year behind mediocre QB play.
I want to actually see growth in our team, perhaps. Sitting Locker equates to just another year floundering around being mediocre.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 3, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
That's already happened.
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Totally agree. That would really, really suck.
Especially knowing that there’s a guy on the bench that gives the team a better chance to win.
All I’m saying is that this coaching staff has much more information than we do. And, I’m certain they know Locker gives them a better shot to win. So, if next year starts and Locker’s not the guy, there’s probably a pretty good reason. This staff serves to lose a lot more than any of us by making that decision.
I don't know if I trust the staff to do what's best to win after certain decisions this season.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 3, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
Like taking us to the edge of the playoffs?
despite everything that went wrong with our game plan.
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Like starting a clearly injured quarterback against a winless team and leaving him in despite the fact that he led the team to 6 points in 3.5 quarters against a fucking WINLESS team.
So, yes. Playoffs > edge of playoffs.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 3, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
A playoff team lost to the same team that beat us.
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And GB lost to Kansas City. All hail the Romeo Crennel!!
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ROMEO CRENNEL FOR TITANS HC!!!!1
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I think he gets the full-time gig in KC.
Especially with Pioli running the show there, say hello the Patriots Midwest.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 3, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
I heard the KC players loved to play for him.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
I'll be happy with open competition
which is what they are advertising will happen. Very happy that they are stating that now, at earliest point in offseason.
number of successful QBs who started in year 1 or 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number of successful QBs who started in year 4
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Number of who gives a shit?
There is not a formula to A)QB sits on the bench learning offense + B) Years = Better QB.
Every case is different; if Locker outplays Hass in camp, which we should all expect him to do, he will earn the starting job. If he doesn’t, he sits.
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by StPrattrick on Jan 3, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
I’d also add that the salary cap had dramatic influence on QB development decisions. Owners didn’t want the highest paid player on the team sitting on the bench for 2 years. More players starting early may have just been a result of those large contracts.
Some of those QBs might have been better served to sit and learn an extra year. Maybe not. I think every player is different. But, I wouldn’t rule out an owner forcing a coaches hand because they are paying a QB a boatload of money to sit on the bench.
by SuperHorn on Jan 3, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
im not the one bringing this up
just shooting it down. so one dude sat for 3 years and ended up being good. i give no shits.
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I know, I am just saying that because DickPic and Rodgers did it
doesn’t mean that is the formula to follow.
We should be worried about our own QBs and their development, not prematurely rush Locker or his development because we want to see him play more then Hasselbeck
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Should it be ignored completely?
No one is saying, sitting Locker 3 years = Aaron Rodgers
Rodgers did sit 3 years though. Regardless of the circumstances, Rodgers has been vocal about how much that period helped him.
I think a situation could arise again where another prospect could benefit from sitting. Maybe that is Locker. Maybe it isn’t. I wouldn’t be so dismissive of that possibility, though.
and ive heard Tom Brady credit being a 6th rounder and career college back up for motivating him to get better
doesn’t make it the blueprint.
outliers are fun and all, but they are largely ignored because they are merely the product of randomness across a sufficiently large sample size. statistical anomalies with zero predictive influence on the vast, vast majority of results.
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and ive heard Tom Brady credit being a 6th rounder and career college back up for motivating him to get better
doesn’t make it the blueprint.
Kinda like when we thought Rusty Smith was our savior…
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Rodgers 3 years sitting is an outlier. So are his statistics, being the number 1 rated passer in NFL history*.
Perfect positive correlation? Of course not. But, it at least raises an eyebrow.
*Top 10 rated passers in NFL history.
1. Rodgers
2. Tony Romo, who sat two years.
3 Steve Young sat 4 years in the middle of his career.
4 Tom Brady sat 1 year
5 Rivers sat 2 years
6 Manning started as a rookie
7 Brees sat 1 year
8 Warner sat 1 year
9 Montana sat 1 year
10 Matt Schaub sat 3 years
Manning is the outlier. 40% of the top 10 sat out 2+ of their first years in the league. 80+% sat out at least one. As for Steve Young, take years 3-6 however you’d like.
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Oh damn, FACTS!
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Now that was awesome. It seems the top 10 passers in history favors what the few are saying…which is merely that it’s not the end of the world if Locker doesn’t start, and there are several examples to prove the case that it may help his progression as a elite QB
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Because Romo is bipolar and Rivers is all finesse and no substance?
That’s just my opinion on it.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Jan 3, 2012 11:15 PM CST up reply actions
Center/Guard in the first round.
With having the #20 pick, I think Center or Guard could have the best value. I also believe these positions are our best option (value wise) in free agency. The best Guard/Center available in free agency is going to be less expensive than the best available at many other positions.
What do you guys think?
I can see that....
I would not mind picking up a surfire stud like Konz or Constanzo (doubt he falls to us) and still addressing the situation via FA, that would allow us to use another draft pick on an area of need as well.
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I could see the FO resigning Griffin and adding pass rushers via draft, FA, etc hoping he returns to 2008 form.
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For the right money I would not mind signing him,
if he wants top dollar than I say let him walk though. But looking at it we really need to sign Court, hime with Jmac and ATV are as solid a threesome at the CB position as any other team has, but if we let both Griff and Hope go we will be severly short on the back field. I think for the right price this is why we need to keep Griff, Babs and bring in another vet and rookie to compete.
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a center field safety with questionable instincts who can’t cover or dependably tackle is not something we should spend money on. time to move on.
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Also, good to see that CJ knows he needs to be in camp/around the facility this offseason.
I think he knows how much he sucked, and despite everyones hatred of him, i for one hope he returns to form.
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agreed, i expect him to be at every OTA, training camp, the whole nine yards.
oh wait, nine is too many, more like two yards.
just kidding.
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LOL you mean -2 yards
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haha btw your boy showed some mad athleticism dodging that camera lol
- however is stripped of his man card for running away like a girl
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I think I'd run away like a girl too if a heavy ass camera came close to falling on me.
i mean who really expects that?
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Holy crap, that could have been ugly...
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yea im sure that camera isnt cheap either, they had to stop the game to get all the wires and pieces that broke apart off the field.
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Bout 100+ grad a camera, no doubt it was insured though
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I've always wondered when this would happen.
Jeebus that could have been ugly
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2 days before opening it broke and took out 4 rows of seats, which if it would have broken while people were sitting there… death and a lot of it.
That crap is creepy.
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Wtf?
Tampa Bay plans to interview #Titans DC Jerry Gray for their h.c job, reports St. Petersburg Times. TB hasn’t asked for permission yet tho
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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 3, 2012 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
WTF
GTFO Tampa Bay!
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Gray aint going to leave guys.
He has better talent on D here than the Bucs do. The Bucs D is young but also old.
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by Titans_Firefighter on Jan 3, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
They have a lot of people who just disappeared this year
Gerald McCoy… wow.
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did you hear anything about da'quan bowers?
remember he was the projected #1 pick for awhile?
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McCoy was mostly injured. But even when healthy underperformed.
There was some serious draft hype for him, some even considering him better than Suh.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
Tore his bicep... terrible.
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from making too many arm tackles
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Jan 3, 2012 2:04 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
ZING!
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oh no...
hopefully that’s a Rooney Rule interview…
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Honestly I think the time has come to abolish that rule.
I can understand its implementation when it first happened, but I think we’re in an era where guys are going to get interviews regardless of skin color. If they’re qualified and worthy, they’ll be hired.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 3, 2012 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, it's gotten very tired.
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Do we know who was the rooney rule interview for the titans last year?
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
Perry Fewell.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 3, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
"Open Competition" is Rusty Smith's middle name
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by I Believe in Rusty Smith on Jan 3, 2012 1:04 PM CST reply actions
Is "Loser Of" his first name?
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Apparently, his full name is Russell Edgar Smith.
He kinda looks like and Edgar, no?
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by I Believe in Rusty Smith on Jan 3, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
Brett kern!
no one talks about him, but he’s just as good or better than hentrich. congrats to him- he’s a key piece of this team
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Norv Turner is staying with SD.
He is like Peter from Office Space, he does just enough work not to get fired.
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We need to talk about your TPS reports
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So is AJ Smith.
He’s made good draft decisions so I can understand that one, Turner not so much.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 3, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
They both should've been gone.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jan 3, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
rivers over brees (and probably was the reason that Eli and Archie said hell no to SD)
ryan matthews over LDT/Sproles/Turner
hired Norv in the first place over Schotty
signed the corpse of Bob Sanders
not a good look.
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Merriman, Jackson, Jammer, McNeil, Castillo, Phillips, Hardwick.
I’m not saying the guy is perfect, and my understanding is that he’s a douche, but his track record would at least warrant consideration for keeping over Turner. Probably was time for both to go, but his history would warrant keeping around moreso than Turner to me.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 3, 2012 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
I thought he did a nice job with the Eli situation.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jan 3, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
Not the point. Played the card he was dealt and made off with a great haul.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jan 3, 2012 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
As ron said, his track record is still strong.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jan 3, 2012 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
until you look at what has happened to that roster over the last 3-4 years
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Still LOTS of talent on that roster.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jan 3, 2012 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
not much new talent
certainly not nearly as much talent in as he has let leave. and again, he axed Schotty for Norv, so whatever you think of Norv, that reflects on Smith too.
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by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Jan 3, 2012 2:31 PM CST reply actions
and another season of missed opportunities...
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I bet Spags goes back as DC.
Reid may be back but there are going to have to be changes to be made.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 3, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
Just think what the year would have been like
If KC had not decided to retire. Locker would have seen a lot more action and/or our record would have been much worse.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Jan 3, 2012 7:08 PM CST up reply actions
what?
We would’ve hammered him outta here before the 1st week of Munch was up
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Jan 3, 2012 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
I don’t understand the concern that Locker might get hit hard at some point during his NFL tenure. this dude played a whole season with three broken ribs and you’re actually worried he somehow can’t take it?
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Jan 3, 2012 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
While that's true
it’s nice to know we have a QB that will play with broken ribs if he has to.
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yeah that’s exactly where I was heading with that…it’s a violent game, shit happens, that’s no excuse to keep him off the field.
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In my opinion, it was a good argument for keeping him off the field this season.
Locker got hit hard as he threw because he failed to identify the blitzer, which was a rookie mistake. Quarterbacks that get hit full-speed by an NFL linebacker while exposing their ribs on a throw normally end up with a major injury.
I’d rather we keep him off the field until he learns enough to avoid being injured in that sort of way. Improving our interior line in the draft to help with pass blocking would certainly help too.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Jan 3, 2012 7:28 PM CST up reply actions
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