How To Fix The Titans: Scenario One.
It's not easy to accept, but we've entered the offseason. With that comes a lot of time to think about how to improve a team that seems to be ready to take a step into the upper tier of AFC teams within the next year or two. In this segment, I'll offer two draft picks and a free agent signing that I think would help fix some of the issues that plagued the 2011 version of the Titans. Feel free to call me out as an idiot or praise me as the next great NFL GM, but I'd really dig it if you stuck with the latter.
Round One: Draft Alshon Jeffery, trade up if necessary.
After today's discussion, I've decided that it would definitely be worth it to make a move to sneak up the draft order to grab this guy. The obvious issue here is that we already have a very talented wide receiver in Kenny Britt and that there are other positions of need, but SuperHorn made some great points about not wanting to get married to a position and missing an opportunity to draft an incredible talent like Jeffery. Aside from that, it should come as no surprise to many of you that a lot of today's top passing offenses have multiple outstanding receivers. New York pairs Hakeem Nicks with Vicor Cruz, Green Bay has a whole bevy of options, but Greg Jennings and Jordy Nelson seem to stick out in my mind. Wes Welker and Rob Gronkowski offer a different approach and are all about big YAC yardage that come on short dump offs near the line of scrimmage. When Dez Bryant is healthy, Dallas' passing attack is lethal. Mike Wallace and Antonio Brown bring a lot of speed to an aging offense and Atlanta should be set for years with Roddy White and Julio Jones catching passes from Matt Ryan. For what it's worth, I think that Detroit has found itself a great compliment to Calvin Johnson in Titus Young, but we'll let time decide if there's any substance to that. That's a pretty big list of players, but there's legitimate numbers backing me up on this; all of those teams I just mentioned have got passing offenses that rank near the top of the league (all within the top 11) in passing efficiency according to Football Outsiders. I wouldn't say that it's a necessity that you need two top flight receivers to have a lethal passing attack, but there's definitely a connection. This also raises quite a few questions such as whether the quarterback makes the receivers or vice versa. Hopefully it won't matter because Jake Locker is going to be a star, but in any case it's interesting to think about.
Look, I like Nate Washington, that's not who my problem is with here, my problem is with Kenny Britt and his sketchy knees. I do have questions as to whether Washington can keep this pace up though, his heart and team first attitude this year has won me over, but sustained production is still a question mark. In any case, I'd like to see him play more of his natural position in the slot with Kenny Britt out wide with another guy like Jeffry waiting in the wings just in case anything goes wrong with his knees again.
Concerning Jeffery's draft status; I think there's a real chance he could slip all the way to 20. This draft is very deep and that rings especially true for wide receivers assuming Justin Blackmon comes out (which is all but decided given that he was included in Oklahoma State's senior day ceremonies). I'm sitting on the assumption that either Floyd or Jeffery will drop past 19, we need to make sure that it's Jeffery. Don't worry about his drop off in production; all year South Carolina was downright bad at getting production out of their best player. I think Blackmon will come off the board at 7 with the Jaguars, whether Floyd or Jeffery is more coveted at that point has a lot to do with the pre-draft workouts, but hopefully all it will take to get Floyd picked first is that small on field scuffle today that got Jeffery ejected.
Round Two: Draft Kevin Zeitler
This is a world in which I see Ben Grubbs being re-signed by the Ravens.A big reason for the success of Wisconsin's Montee Ball is his massive offensive line. Wisconsin has a reputation for getting some real maulers up there, especially in the run game (if you can't run block, you just flat out can't play for Wisconsin) and this has really solidified their reputation as a terrific place to look for NFL caliber linemen. Zeitler is no exception. Like Jimmy said earlier, if there aren't two new starting guards in 2012, I'll be absolutely livid. For one thing, it just makes sense. The guard play this season was downright horrible. Also; I'd like to see whether Chris Johnson has really regressed that much or whether he's just a victim of circumstance. Palmer isn't going anywhere, it's time to fix what we have the power to fix, and offensive line personell is definitely something that can be fixed.
On to what Zeitler actually offers. For one thing, he's massive. 6'4" and upwards of 315 pounds is NFL-ready size. Remember last year when I was really high on Florida State center/guard Rodney Hudson? Well no longer, that's because he's just too darn small. Zeitler can be a real force at the point of attack and has the strength to just demolish linebackers in the second level. He's a standout in the weight room at Wisconsin where it actually means something given the size of his contemporaries on the line. Zeitler really came on this season and improved on his already great draft stock. He played his way into the first round with strong performances against NFL quality defensive lineman like Devon Still at Penn State and Jerel Worthy at Michigan State in the Big 10 Championship Game.
Something about Zeitler just seems right to me. Mike Reinfeldt, if you're reading this, I implore you to draft this guy, you won't regret it. His pass protection might not be on the same level as his run blocking, but he'll be an instant starter, fill a huge need, and be blasting holes in the line for CJ before you know it.
Free Agent Pickup: Re-sign Cortland Finnegan.
Just do it, make this man a Titan for the rest of his career. Offer him top corner money, don't beat around the bush, do whatever it takes to get this guy back. If he takest the hometown discount, that's awesome, and something tells me he actually might do just that, but don't take chances by playing chicken. Give him your best offer and get it done. Finnegan is one guy the Titans absolutely cannot lose going forward. At a time where passing is obviously at a premium in the NFL, a top 5 corner in the prime of his career is absolutely invaluable. I share the love that many of you have for the young and talented tandem of Alterraun Verner and Jason McCourty, but there are very few players I'd rather have leading my defensive backfield than Cortland Finnegan.
You know what would be an easy way to find the money to pay for Finnegan's new deal? By ignoring Michael Griffin's desire to be paid like a top safety! Look, I can't say that I know he'll ask for big money, but I think he's at least earned the right to try, so why not go for it, right? I think there's a team out there that will pay Griffin big money, I just don't think it's in our best interest to do so. While the team is paper thin at safety, Griffin isn't the answer. That being said, if Griffin wants to come back at a discount, I'm all for it. Despite his wildly inconsistent play, he's got a lot more to offer than anyone else we've got at the position. However, if it comes down to Finnegan and Griffin, I think we all know who it has to be. It's not a matter of me liking Finnegan any more than I like Griffin, it's just a matter of what's really best for the team. Finnegan is a bonafide top player, Griffin can be at times, but he also looks timid out there at times and relies on his instincts a lot. That would be fine if he had an Ed Reed skill set, but he doesn't (and that's no disrespect to Griffin either, very few players will ever have that skill set) so it ends up blowing up in his face a lot of the time.
He's a strong veteran presence on the field and off and this team really needs a leader. Please don't let him walk. Pretty please?
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Trading up would definitely be the wrong thing to do.
The Falcons traded up because they thought they were one piece away from winning a superbowl. We are nowhere near 1 piece away from being good. While I’m not a fan of WR in the first round regardless, we definitely can’t waste extra draft picks on it.
I also think the talent at WR in round 2 is better than the talent at other need positions in round 2. And in terms of talent needed at the position, WR is a lesser priority to me than our other needs.
However, we’d better resign Finnegan. Lets not try and make corner a liability too.
Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove
by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 3, 2012 9:07 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Umm, ATL can still win the Super Bowl
Interweb DVOA: +100%
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Not sure where i disputed that fact, i said we are not in that same position.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 3, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
ATL fans don't think so.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Jan 3, 2012 7:10 PM CST up reply actions
does it matter in what order the pieces to the puzzle are assembled?
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We had a hell of draft last year getting quality players all throughout the draft while still finding what we hope will be our future at qb. Nevertheless there are still many areas that need to be upgraded which include:
1. Massive oline overhaul
2. Pass rush threat
3. Safety position
Suggesting that we trade up, sacrificing picks that netted us key players in the past (Klug, Mccourty, Finnegan, Stewart, Mccarthy, etc.), doesn’t seem all that wise considering WR is not a glaring need. In a perfect world we would sign an impact WR this offseason.
all of those can be addressed, but what I’m saying is that we’re not one year away from a Super Bowl but our window isn’t closing either, so why not just load up on talent at a premium position for one more year (especially when there are plenty of great run blocking guards to be had in the second and third rounds) and finally make that last push in 2013 to compete for the Super Bowl in 2014?
besides, this is just one scenario I plan to look at and by no means has any affect on what the Titans actually do, I’ve heard they may just try and target the best guard available.
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Even though I want a C or G in the first round, I could deal with the scenario you mentioned.
I honestly don´t know Zeitler, but if he plays close to how you described him, I´m all for it. We need maulers in the run game, and someone that will not hold on any given play (looking at you Leroy!).
As for Finnegan, he´s not top 5 good like you mentioned. I´d offer a very long contract, but not with a top 5 salary. If he comes back, great.
Finally, we should not sign Griffin, even with a discount. He as a bunch of flaws in his game and became a very frustrating player to watch. He has no self awareness and shows an arrogance I can´t accept as a fan. Even if we don´t have any other option ready for that role, we learned through the hole Tulloch case that a better player may rise up to the occasion.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
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I agree with you 100% based off of what you’ve said. I need to look into Jeffry and OLineman. I want Finny back. Period.
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by MikeGriffFan27 on Jan 3, 2012 9:14 AM CST via mobile reply actions
What about our Defensive Ends?
The only DE we have under contract for 2012 is D Morgan. Ball, Jones, Hayes are all free agents. DE is the most important position of defence, and we would only have Morgan. Not to mention we had absolutely no pass rush this year.
I think we need to sign a free agent DE, AND spend a high draft pick on one.
There are good options in free agency.
Robert Mathis
Mario Williams
Cliff Avril
John Abraham
Calais Campbell
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
I always liked Calais Campbell coming out of the draft.
For some reason I thought he was converted to DT though?
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jan 3, 2012 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
I like those
I think Avril and Campbell could be just as good as Williams and probably will be a fair bit cheaper.
Avril seems like a Schwartz product, I'd pass on him.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jan 3, 2012 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
Uh... id take a Schwartz product any day of the week.
Considering Schwartz is all about getting the pass rush from only 4 lineman. You must be linking Washburn and Schwartz here but i would kill to have a lineman that can get pressure on his own.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 3, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
Honestly, I'm linking them, or at least they both have similar effects.
Players look better with Schwartz than they do when he’s not there.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jan 3, 2012 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
I see that with Washburn, but not so much with Schwartz.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 3, 2012 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
I´m a big Schwartz fan, but his defense was not good this year.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
Campbell? Don't think so.
Pratt probably knows better than I since he’s a Cardinal, but I think maybe he played 34 DE? Not positive though.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 3, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah he's a 3-4 DE/LB
The dude is huge (6/8 – 300pounds), he’s got some speed, but I think he prefers lining up out wide to rush in. A guy that big could be used anywhere though… I think the Cardinals will try to re-sign him though.
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agreed.....huge problem
jerry gray said that the reason we dont have a lot of sacks is because teams prefer to run the ball against us. anyone who watched us play this year knows that is BS.
QB’s would have soo much time when they threw against us. sacks would be great, but we dont even have guys that can get pressure, let alone sacks.
You think Finnegan would play safety?
I know corners get paid more…..that would probably be the difference.
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Maybe later in his career
I don’t see it happening yet. Usually CB’s move to safety only when they lose a step. Finny is in his prime as a corner.
Keep in mind
Finnegan said he had a productive conversation with Munchak (or Reinfeldt. Can’t remember which one)
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by MikeGriffFan27 on Jan 3, 2012 9:38 AM CST via mobile reply actions
When did he say that?
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I can see Jeffery lasting to the late first round, and I don't really want to trade up in the first round for him.
We have too many other needs. If he’s there at 20, I’d take him, but it also depends on what’s available. If DeCastro falls, I want him. Floyd should thankfully go much higher than 20.
I think, if I’m creating a FA wish list, we need one above average OL. It could be Myers, Grubbs, Wells, Nicks, I don’t really have a preference, but you almost have to get one of them if you want to turn over the interior line.
Under no circumstances do I want to see Griffin back.
Despite his wildly inconsistent play, he’s got a lot more to offer than anyone else we’ve got at the position.
I think a FA pickup or even mid round pick could offer us more than Griffin. Hey, if they want someone to just be within a 10 yard radius of receivers, I’m available. And ball skills? I still can’t get over the Colts game where he was finally in position in the endzone and didn’t make a play on the ball.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jan 3, 2012 9:47 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
If we get Decastro, I would be one of the happiest guys.
I was hyping him up all season, he is as safe of a prospect as it comes.
by infinitystealth on Jan 3, 2012 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
I kinda disagree with you about the trade up.
I know that having multiple solid receivers is the way to go in the NFL right now, but that doesn’t mean that you should use your first round on him. If you look, I believe that in many of those tandems you mentioned, at least one guy from each pair went beyond the first round (ex. Nelson, Cruz, Young, Wallace, Brown, Wellker, Gronkowski). Thus, I think we go with the BPA in the first round that FILLS a need rather than trading up, cause especially in this years draft, there is a lot of talent to be had at the position, and we can find solid receivers without going for the star player.
Also, we gotta remember, receivers in the first round have a higher bust potential than most other positions. I can remember at least a few receivers in the past few years that were highly regarded in the draft that did not produce. Just my opinion though.
BTW, the Zietler pick would be brilliant. I have seen tape on him and read some scouting reports, he is solid.
Dammit, sorry for the repeat. My laptop just froze on me.
Well, I disagree cause we would be giving up other draft spots to trade up in the first round, and we still have so many other positions to fill. Also, I understand that having multiple solid options in the receiving group is the way to go in the NFL right now, but if you look at those tandems, many of them have been drafted beyond first round (ex. Cruz, Welker, Gronk, Young, Brown, Wallace etc.). So, I dont think that we should go for the star player, but we should go with the BPA that fills a need in the first round without trading up. Plus, there is a lot of talent at the WR position in this years draft, and we can find solid receivers that way.
Also, I think we gotta remember that the bust potential in recent years for highly touted receivers has been higher than any other position. I can name a few receivers that went in the first round that have not produced the way they did (ex. Ginn, Buster Davis, Meachem, Edwards, Mike Williams, Matt Jones, Troy Williamson) to name a few.
BTW, I love the Zietler pick. Seen tape on him and read scouting reports, he is solid.
by infinitystealth on Jan 3, 2012 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
I am really not big on trading up because of cost concerns...
I don’t think any player we’d trade up for would be worth the potential player we would be giving up to get them. We have found success pretty much were ever we look in the draft (especially later rounds) and I actually value our late round picks as much as our earlier picks.
I am all for best available for the positions we are addressing based on immediate impact or not. We NEED OG/DE/S help, we do not need WR help immediately IMO
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typical titans gm
resigning your own free agent and calling it a pickup, yet I can’t help but agree that Finny needs to come back.
Don't be Rudd: start Colin McCarthy
"Typical Titans GM".
Yes, because no other teams re-sign their own key free agents. What a horrible, horrible decision that would be.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 3, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
Good post.
With that comes a lot of time to think about how to improve a team that seems to be ready to take a step into the upper tier of AFC teams within the next year or two.
Step 1: Develop Locker into an elite Quarterback
Step 2: Refer to Step 1
by SuperHorn on Jan 3, 2012 10:02 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Just out of curiosity.
Does step 1 includes starter reps?
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
Apparently not for another 2 years according to some people.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 3, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
He's been taking starter reps all season
That’s why whenever he comes on the field (with the exception of Cleveland) he is poised and really in sync with the receivers… I do like the WR pick though, but my understanding is that there will still be a lot of talent at WR in the second, if there’s a great pass rusher at 20 TAKE EET!!!!
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I meant during games. Playing time would be the correct question.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
I'd rather he wins his job
With Hasselbeck getting the advantage in the tie, I want the best product on the field, I know even after he starts there should be room to grow, but I fear injury and a bunch of other problems. Vunce’s only problem wasn’t just his mentality, he was almost glass around the end of his tenure here
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Our future should get the advantage in the tie.
Because he is better.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 3, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
No, bad idea
I’d rather have Hass start and if he goes out we got the just as good/more athletic option on the bench till he’s ready for full time starts… If he proves in camp he’s ready then pull the trigger, but I would rather have another season of Hass, he didn’t do all that bad when he was healthy this year, plus if Britt stays healthy and on the field then we got a top 10 passing offense, add a better offensive line we got a top 5 offense
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He was the definition of average this year.
1:1 INt to TD, average amount of passing yards, etc. Locker has already looked better than him in games. I want more than average.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 3, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
Like I said
Veteran advantage in a tie, if we’re gonna get average, I’d rather take average from Hass than Locker…. Also I’d really like to see our running game revamped before the final decision of who starts comes… But I do see Locker starting next year anyways, because he has the talent to earn his spot
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Yeah, I agree.
If their performances are that close, it’s time put the future out there.
The Force is with you, young SkyLocker, but you are not a Jedi... yet!
Hasselbeck has the advantage of a tie? Why?
I know Locker can develop a lot more than old Hass.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
veteran
plus if they’re wrong they can’t go back and bench the kid again (looks at Fisher)
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Hell if I know.
I don’t know how far along he is in his development.
Given the strides he’s made, and that he’ll have a full offseason to bust his ass, I’d guess that he’ll be ready by next year, but I don’t have enough information to have an educated opinion.
Yeah, none of us do.
But, imo, it makes no sense to wait any longer. Just an oppinion.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
Eh. I dunno.
I don’t see him getting irreversibly damaged any more. The question is can he absorb more information from the sidelines or in live action. Every player is different. Whichever scenario makes him better in the long term, I’m comfortable with. And, despite Palmer’s questionable playcalling at times, I trust that he and Munchak will make the right decision.
by SuperHorn on Jan 3, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It´s impossible to know for sure if he learns more playing or on the bench.
I just think after the Young pick, certainly the mental part became more of a focus on analysing the prospects. With that in mind, I think Locker fits the profile of a hard worker and a resilient player, so that if he finds difficulty during games, it can only make him try harder to overcome that.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
Maybe.
I’d just be careful about playing armchair sports psychologist from a distance. This coaching staff has more information than we do.
Today, Locker already appears better than Hass. If I can identify that, then I have zero doubt that the coaching staff doesn’t see it. This coaching staff has more to lose than anyone by keeping Locker on the bench. So, if Locker doesn’t take the field in week 1 next year, then there are obviously other things under consideration.
I completely agree with this.
How smart/informed coaches are is something that’s often forgotten among fans, but I think for the most part, we can rest assured that they know what they’re doing. At the very least, they’ll always have way more information than us.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 3, 2012 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
Ok, I´ll leave the armchair.
But I´d also be carefull about playing jon gruden coaches psychologist, since you are assuming the coaching staff can only make right decisions.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
This also is near the bottom of our concerns next season
Personnel wise we need a team that Locker OR Hass can play well in, so that should be the focus going into the offseason, plus maybe Palmer after gushing over Cook all offseason may actually use him to his talents this year (god we need that(
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I disagree.
Like SuperHorn said, developing our franchise passer is priority no 1. Hass can´t be that player.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
Yeah
but that’s priority #1 in camp, you need to take things one step at a time, now that we know where our future lies we put out a product that compliments it on both ends of the field. When we are aware of what direction we’re headed next season personnel wise the coaches can figure out who will be under center then
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I am just glad we potentially could go with either QB and be successful
more importantly, not be a failboat waiting to happen…
//it’s-been-so-long
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my sentiments exactly
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Amen
I don’t really care who our starting quarterback is next season
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Right, I am not going to be calling for anyone's head or burning down the Titans facility if Locker doesn't start
Both QBs are more than capable of leading this team and Locker is the future, so it will be his time when the coaching staff feel he’s ready to lead us. I am all for a camp competition and the best man wins the job.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Jan 3, 2012 7:11 PM CST up reply actions
Semi-OT: Anyone watch Stanford-OSU?
Despite showing his sometimes erratic play (dropped ball in endzone), Blackmon looked like a man among boys. We won’t have an opportunity to get him, but I’d love to see him opposite Britt.
Blackmon impressed me.
Nobody else in that game really impressed me.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 3, 2012 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
Blackmon is the only dude I would be ok with trading up for
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I don't mind taking Jeffrey in the first round.
But trading up for him is more than marrying your self to a position—it’s marrying yourself to a specific player. We have too many other needs to trade up. Especially if trading up means giving up our 2nd round pick.
Like I said, I don’t mind taking Jeffrey and a 2nd round interior lineman, but if you have an interior lineman like DeCastro, etc, ranked at the top of your board when the pick comes up, I’d prefer we take him.
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by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 3, 2012 10:09 AM CST reply actions
It all depends on the grades.
If Jeffrey grades out as a top 5, DeCastro as a top 20, and Jeffrey falls to 15 or so, you’re not marrying yourself to a pick. You’re just trading up to make a “10 pick spread” of value based on the information you have available.
Teams can still trade up and follow the BPA/value model.
I know WRs in the first round is the exciting pick
But I think this draft is very, very deep for WRs. I honestly don’t see that much of a difference between Alshon Jefferey and a Dwight Jones or Marvin McNutt or Mohammed Sanu or Juron Criner or several other WRs.
You have to look at the draft through two different views: is this player an upgrade over a current player on the roster? How much better is this player than a player that we could draft in the next round?
So, I would wait until round 2 or even the 3rd round to select a WR. I think the gap between a DeCastro or Cordy Glenn to the next OG is much wider than Jefferey or Blackmon to the next WR.
plus for once WR is like a small worry on our team
the big ones being no pass rush and guard play
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The only guy I would be okay with trading up for is Decastro.
Even then with my man crush on Decastro, I would be slightly disappointed as we got so many holes to fill.
by infinitystealth on Jan 3, 2012 10:14 AM CST reply actions
Griffin is most frustrating player I've ever watched. Please don't spend remotely top money on him.
My solutions to fix Titans.
1st Rd. Best Center in the draft if they haven’t been taken. Steelers wouldn’t trade Pouncey for anything and if you can get a 10-15 yr center take them.
2nd Rd. Look for Top Safety available or go with Best OG if the pick is worth it.
Re-Sign Finnegan, this is essential
I think receiver is least of our worries. The experience our receivers got this year was awesome. You add Britt and a more consistent Cook to that group and we are SCARY offensively.
Hopefully Locker wins the job because his scrambling can give guys like Britt and Cook time to get DOWNFIELD….. I absolutely love the style of this offense if we had ANY running game.
Teach CJ to run routes or expect the ball quicker out of the backfield. Too many time I watched Hasselbeck bounce balls off CJ cause he wasn’t ready. Those plays are there.
Let Griffin walk. All the talent in the world is there, but it’s not coming out for us for whatever reason. Draft Winston Guy from Kentucky and pay him a 1/4 of the money. He’s a Griffin clone.
Good article D. Reese
I think that we should not trade up NOR should we draft a receiver in the 1st round….
1. No matter what happens we NEED to address S, DE, & OL. If Britt is healthy, we have a classic 1, a classic 2, a classic 3, and heck a classic 4 in the name of Fly Hawk Fly.
2. So, my plan is, we address all our needs, hinge 2012 on receivers staying healthy. if they dont, we address that next year, and were set. I cannot watch terrible safety play, and our invisa pass rushers.
plus I seen this team do a lot with lower draft picks
do it some more dammit
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Jeffrey will fall since he has weight and off field issues. I prefer sticking at 20 and getting some OL help. WR is deep enough to wait on
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Jan 3, 2012 10:34 AM CST via Android app reply actions
Rueben Randle 3rd round.
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by gramsey712 on Jan 3, 2012 11:20 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
Sim through the unneccessary parts of the offseason, too.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 3, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
But then what would we talk about for the next three months?!
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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 3, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Ha touche.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 3, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
I was hoping for a rousing, 3 month debate on whose fault it is that CJ sucks.
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by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 3, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Better then Vunce vs. Cocktail!
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I still feel sorry for us for having to have those guys as our quarterbacks
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I am ashamed I backed either one of them up at some point...
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Are you ashamed
of your Kerry Collins jersey?
Houston is just lucky the AFC south sucked so bad this year.
I wasn't that stupid.
Vunce Jerseys on the other hand…….
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yeah i feel ya
I got a #10 jersey near the end of the ’09 season because I actually believed VY was “back”
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by BythePowerofMunchak! on Jan 3, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
LOL
Were there actually Collins replica Jerseys? I live in Ohio so only ever see the big name jerseys.
Houston is just lucky the AFC south sucked so bad this year.
ha probably not, only fan of Cocktail was Jeff Fisher.
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There are still a ton of Collins jerseys being worn at LP Field
The better informed fans such as ourselves continue to forget that every fanbase has some real dumb fans.
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... I still have my 2 Vunce jerseys...
but it’s because I haven’t gotten anything better and I don’t buy them for myself.
Maybe for my birthday!
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yet another strike against drafting a WR at 20. Rutgers WR Mohammed Sanyo enters draft
he’s projected as a 2nd Rounder
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Jan 3, 2012 11:40 AM CST via Android app reply actions
Sanu
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Jan 3, 2012 11:40 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I would be ok with a second round WR
using OL-DE-or S (depending who we drafted in the first) for the 3rd round, where we have 2 picks in.
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this year's draft class is insanely deep at WR for some odd reason
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Jan 3, 2012 11:45 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
That will work extremely well for us seeing how we potentially have a lot of extra picks...
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Alright guys.
He is saying that we trade up IF necessary to get Jeffery. It doesnt mean that we are going to trade up to the Top 10 to get him. There could be a couple teams in the teens that would be willing to just swap 1st rounders this year.
Teams that could take Jeffery in the teens would be the Bears #19, Bengals from Oakland #17, the Eagles if DJ isnt resigned #15.
BTW in this draft Jeffery doesnt go in the top 20.
http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2012-01-02/2012-nfl-draft-preliminary-order-set-for-first-20-picks
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by Titans_Firefighter on Jan 3, 2012 11:42 AM CST reply actions
Also what they having us pick is down right stupid.
They must think we arent going to resign Finny.
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by Titans_Firefighter on Jan 3, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska?!
Get the f- …
AOL Sporting News lololololololol
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yeah i was like wtf.
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by Titans_Firefighter on Jan 3, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
only if the fexans draft jeffery and we take dennard
we might have a repeat of AJ vs Finny lol
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Jan 3, 2012 11:49 AM CST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
And no way Blackmon gets pass the Jags at 7#.
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No team just "swaps first rounders"
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 3, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
Dude you just don't "swap first round picks" for the hell of it...
we’d still have to give someone a 2nd or MAAAYBE a 3rd round pick to move up anywhere in the 1st round.
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by BythePowerofMunchak! on Jan 3, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
Ah Madden make things so-much-more-simple.
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On the Pats
Gronkowski is a TE, we could possibly have our own if Cook is able to step up next year into a consistent player. He ended the season well and if he hits his potential I can see him going for 1k recieving along with Britt if he stays healthy. I’d rather focus on either helping our horrid run defense or protecting our QB of the future in Locker with a pick on the O line in round 1 this year.
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by Dagger22 on Jan 3, 2012 11:49 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I agree, Cook might have found out what he can do. Finally
Washington finally has realized his potential, plus was playing injured nearly every game, so he will be that much better next season. 3 huge offensive weapons there.
I think focusing early on O-line and fixing the running game would be our best bet. It would help out the passing game as well. We can go for a WR later on with how deep the WR pool is.
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i think it's a bit forgone to say that Nate is going to be "that much better" next year
He may have been knicked up but it’s not like he played with a broken ankle or a torn acl … He had 2 previous seasons at full health to make some noise but didn’t …. I believe 2011 Nate Washington is about as good as Nate Washington is going to get and there’s nothing wrong with that. He may have better chemistry with Hasselbeck next year (assuming he starts … which he won’t) but with all our other weapons emerging I doubt he breaks 1,000 again next year.
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by BythePowerofMunchak! on Jan 3, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
Bucs Nation 2012 Mock 3 rounds.
20. Tennessee Titans
Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin
The Titans’ O-line has been abysmal all season long. Drafting Konz would give Tennessee a top talent in the middle and would allow them to shift Eugene Amano to left guard, effectively upgrading both positions.
52. Tennessee Titans
Shea McClellin, DE, Boise State
The Titans need to improve their pass rush, and McClellin is one of the top players available.
84. Tennessee Titans
Danny Trevathan, OLB, Kentucky
Will Witherspoon is on his way out and Barrett Ruud has been hopeless. Akeem Ayers and Colin McCarthy are the future of the Titans’ LB corps, but they need a Will. Enter Danny Trevathan, number five in the nation in tackles despite playing for an SEC punching bag (and the 2010 leader in tackles in the SEC).
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by Titans_Firefighter on Jan 3, 2012 12:03 PM CST reply actions
always wary of dudes racking up tackles on crap teams
alot of times that just means they are the only option cuz no one else can get it done.
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yeah if I remember correctly Rennie Curran was a "tackling machine"
i doubt Georgia was a crap team his last season but tons of tackles can mean a few different things … not all of which are good.
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i wonder why we never gave him a chance?
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by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 3, 2012 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone else think trading down might be a good decision
A lot of the positions we need, C/G and Safety you can get top talent in the second and third rounds. And the two best guards will probably be drafted before we get there (Decastro and Konz don’t get past Chicago/Philly). Its just a thought, but I’d think if we could end up with a couple of second round picks and with the two third round picks we will already have thanks to Babin we could fill more holes this way
if we somehow get totally screwed out of every 1st round talent at every position we need .. then yeah trade down...
but I just don’t see how there won’t be a S, C, G, DE, WR, DT worth taking in the 1st round at #20 … maybe if we were closer to #30 but we need a mover/shaker to come in.
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by BythePowerofMunchak! on Jan 3, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
I was just thinking that
There aren’t any safeties that really jump off the board as a first round talent, a bit like last year. I think the two best guards are gone before it gets to us. And I don’t see us going D line in the first round of the draft. But if one of the 3 top recievers comes to us, then we should take them.
I just thought that apart from G/C and S we have no glaring holes on this team (we have lots of small ones but no massive ones) and that G/C and S are positions that you get good value in rounds 1-4 not just in the first round. So adding more picks there could make some sense.
I don't care who we draft in RD1,
so long as whomever it is starts and makes an impact from Week 1.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Jan 3, 2012 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
The Titans need some improvements, not wholesale changes....
D. Reese, thanks for the thoughtful article.
If I were running the Titans, this is what I would do (position group by position group):
1) OL: Overhaul the interior offensive line (both guards and center). These positions are a key weakness of the team. The don’t get any push or get the second level with any sort of consistency in the run game. Amano, Harris, and Scott (FA) need to be shuffled or replaced. You can find guards and centers in the draft in the mid rounds, although center can be hit or miss.
2) QBs: Have an open competition. Consider replacing Smith with a late draft, rookie free agent, or free agent. Locker should start next year. Time to see what the kid can do. Was pretty decent in limited action this year. Locker looks like the real deal.
3) RBs/FBs: Johnson is still the starter, but I wonder about the rest of the guys. Hall back for one more year? Harper is a decent option as a receiver, but his running skills show he’s just a guy. He could be replaced. Also wondering about Ringer. This area needs some work to add some real talent behind CJ.
4) TEs/WRs: Despite what people think, I think this area has developed into one of the strengths of the team. Britt (assuming he is healthy), Washington, Williams pretty decent. Hawkins ok as #4 WR, could be replaced, I believe he is a FA. Avery did nothing this year. Cook is coming on (will breakout next year). Graham is just a guy (replaceable), Stevens is just a guy really as well, should probably be replaced.
5) DT/DE: This is the real problem area for the team. Re-sign Jones, Ball, Hayes? This area of team has some young talent (Casey, Klug), but also just some guys, like Marks and Smith. The team needs to restructure the position and realize that Morgan is probably a bust as of now, but he has had his share of health issues the past two years, so he probably deserves another year to figure it out. Need to draft a DT and/or DE or maybe get something in free agency.
6) LBs: Decent young talent (McCarthy, Ayers), but Witherspoon is getting a bit long in the tooth and there are no viable backups. McGrath is just whatever (when healthy), and the rest are special teamers. The team needs to find one other decent linebacker as a potential starter.
7) CBs & S: Re-sign Finnegan. The guy can play. Babineaux is serviceable. Only re-sign Griffin if he comes cheap, and Hope is getting old, so he is probably done. Need to find some depth at safety. With Finnegan resigned and with McCourty and Verner, CB position is set.
8) Special teams: Re-sign Ken Amato.
I haven’t figured out which players the team could draft or sign in free agency. With regard to the draft, my personal belief is to draft the best player available regardless of need in the first three rounds and then draft for need thereafter. Free agency is a bit more complex, a lot depending on the availability at positions of need, one’s own free agents, and whether the players available fit the schemes utilized by the team.
I like the idea of 15-20 players becoming free agents each off-season. It gives the team a chance to turn the roster over, get younger players involved sooner, and save money, and sign a premier free agent or two if absolutely needed.
The Titans are headed in the right direction.

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