Assembling A Winning Team In Tennessee: Drafting A Wide Receiver.
by D. Reese on Jan 24, 2012 9:16 PM CST
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What I see a lot of these days is how the Titans should be ignoring position A in the draft because of a perceived need at position B. I offer a challenge. Over the next few days, I'll be trying to defend the drafting of a wide receiver, a guard, a cornerback, and a pass rusher (whether it's going to be a defensive end or outside linebacker is TBD).
When I hear that drafting a wide receiver wouldn't address any of the teams' immediate needs, I cringe a little bit. Wide receiver is a "luxury" position around here, we already have a really good one and another who finally showed he could carry the load. Like fingernails on a chalkboard. I propose that there are several reasons that it would be just fine to draft a "luxury" player, meaning of course a player at a position that is already held by a capable starter.
Then, when I think about what kind of moves would actually make sense, I'm left with wide receiver and corner back, meaning I don't get the feeling that we'll be drafting any tackles, tight ends, quarterbacks, or running backs in the first couple of rounds this year. I'm all for best player available, but there's no chance the best player available is going to be a tight end or running back. None. Offensive tackle is simply not a position of need. Before you say "But neither is wide receiver!!", first off, that's debatable, and second off, receiver is a position where teams can find plenty of ways to get all of their good players on the field at once (cue Fisher Moss/Britt jokes). It isn't uncommon at all to see two top-flight receivers on the field at the same time because multiple receiver formations are obviously a huge part of the game.
Tackle on the other hand, isn't. There are two of those on the field at all times, no more, no less, and the two we have right now are pretty darn good.
The point I'm trying to make here is that it doesn't matter what order we assemble the pieces to a winning team in, the team will continue to struggle if it lacks players who are good at football. Naturally, the way to change this is to fill key positions, or positions that directly benefit key positions, with outstanding talent. There are plenty of reasons the front office should be eyeing South Carolina's Alshon Jeffery this year. One of the big ones is that there just isn't an outstanding pass rusher or a lockdown corner that is projected to be available at the time the Titans are scheduled to pick this year, and guard/center is much easier to draft for in later rounds. Conversely, Jeffery's stock may fall because of the glut of talent at wide receiver this year, making a guy who might go in the top 15 in past years available for a discount.
By no means am I marrying the Titans to Jeffery, Kendall Wright should also be there at 20, as should a bevy of other playmakers including Notre Dame's Michael Floyd. I don't think I'm alone in thinking that the FO would be foolish to not at least consider the possibility of bringing one of these guys in. As I said before, wide receiver is only a position of strength when Kenny Britt is healthy, and even then it's frighteningly thin. Because football is fickle like that, Britt just can't seem to get healthy. Nate Washington really stepped up his game this year, but personally I'd like to bring in a more complete player, or at least someone projected to be a better player. Super Bowl winning offenses aren't led by Nate Washington as the number one receiver. As a compliment to a true number one, there aren't many better options out there than Nate, and if he can be bumped back inside to his more natural slot position, watch out NFL, you've got a scary offense on your hands.
My final argument for taking a wide receiver would be that there just aren't a whole lot of good looking options in the 2013 draft. A lot of that can change, but assume it doesn't. These players are just as likely to regress or get hurt as they are to improve, why risk it? On the flip side, there are a number of great cornerback prospects available for 2013 including four or so that I could see being first round picks. I won't act like I didn't say things won't change between now and then, but I think I've made my point.
Now doesn't this seem a whole lot like the opposite of BPA? Well sort of, but we've also established that the best player available might play the same position as Michael Roos or, I suppose if Richardson falls for whatever reason, Chris Johnson (again, deal with it, dude will get better). In any case, best player available should only be taken so far in situations like this. It would be idiotic to draft a tackle or running back in the first round this year. There needs to be a balance achieved between drafting the best prospect left and drafting for need, I think drafting a wide receiver fits nicely into both of those categories.
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BPA only works if you use a modified BPA.
WR fits as one position that should be included in our group of modified BPA positions: G,C, DE, LB, WR, S. For anyone thinking WR is a luxury pick, please see our WR DVOA rankings.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jan 24, 2012 9:37 PM CST reply actions
Or just look at the games.
Then look at the games played by NYG, NE, NO, GB, and PIT. You will notice thAt the Titans only have 2 solid receiving options outside of Britt. Meanwhile, teams like the Giants have 5-6 good receiving threats. An offense that can burn you in a variety of ways through the air can help cover up defeciencies in offensive line play and defense.
WR may not fill a need, but in today’s NFL you need at least 5 good WRs to be successful in this league.
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by NJD28 on Jan 24, 2012 10:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I like it,
Look at the teams in the superbowl, each has 3 premier weapons for their passing game (Welker, Gronk, Hernandez and Nicks, Cruz and Manningham). If the front office are confident in Cook stepping up then maybe this isnt that necessary but I’m not sold.
I’m looking forward to these, someone I like is Zack Brown, he’s that defensive playmaker the front office were looking for, and it would make our linebacking corps set for the forseeable future. I think linebacker and defensive tackle are bigger needs than have been mentioned on here recently because we sucked against the run last year even towards the end of the year we weren’t very good.
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Not sure I have heard anyone saying "BPA! BPA ALL THE WAY!"
So the example of not picking a left tackle seems kind of silly to me. I am also not saying that WR is a complete luxury pick, more like it is a luxury pick compared to a pass rusher or an interior o-lineman.
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don’t fix it.
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by NJD28 on Jan 24, 2012 10:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Not really
It’s not shining, but our run game sure as shooting ain’t working. For the first time since 2004, I believe, we had a QB throw for over 3,500 yards. We’ve got bigger issues.
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If Richardson falls as far as 20 he is automatic in my opinion.
The guy is top 5 talent and has every intangible to be a top player in this league for the next ten years. The only way I wouldn’t take Richardson is if Decas and Jeffery are still on the board, which isn’t going to happen. I figure out of the three, one will be available. Whichever one is on the board when we pick is a no brainer.
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What is ridiculous about the scenario?
"I can name 31 other starting running backs that would have made that play" 104.5 the zone
Taking a running back 1st round
He may be a great back, but that’s just not what we need.
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I don't care about what the needs are when it comes to raw talent.
He will not drop this far, but if he does it would be the steal of the draft. Richardson is the best back to come out of the draft since AP…at 20 why would we pass him up unless someone wants to trade up with us, or Decastro or Jefferies on the board? Very simple IMO.
"I can name 31 other starting running backs that would have made that play" 104.5 the zone
Richardson is the best back to come out of the draft since AP
and look where AP has gotten the Vikings…
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Is this really an argument?
It is a fact that the only player on the field that can take a team from terrible to a contender is QB….so your argument is moot.
"I can name 31 other starting running backs that would have made that play" 104.5 the zone
Not saying we are terrible BTW, but we are not one player away from contenders either.
"I can name 31 other starting running backs that would have made that play" 104.5 the zone
it’s not moot, maybe that means we shouldn’t be spending a first round pick on a running back when we could easily draft a player who would arguably greatly benefit the development of our QB.
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so, wait...
A elite running game wouldn’t help the development of our QB? Defenses having to back off pressure becuase we have two elite RBs I think def would. Trust me, not drinking the kool aid, just agreeing that if talent like that falls, you get it. Also, DRESSE to your point about where has AP gotten the Vikings?
Where has L.Fitz gotten the Cards?
Where has D. Jackson gotten the Eagles?
Where has B. Marshall gotten the Dolphins, or Broncos?
I don’t think anyone is saying ONE player can get any team to a SuperBowl by them selves (cept maybe pey pey, but he has had some decent pieces around him)
by Daniel Knick on Jan 25, 2012 9:14 AM CST up reply actions
not nearly as much as an elite wide receiver. Fitzgerald is the only one of those three who is truly elite and to say that the Cards would’ve reached the Super Bowl without him in 09 or whatever it was is a little sketchy, he and Warner carried that team on their backs. do we even remember who their starting running back was that year?
besides, we’re four years removed from drafting a running back in the first round, CJ may yet still have something left.
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The Cards wouldn't have reached the Super Bowl without the rest of their receivers taking pressure off Fitz
Fitz is Other-Worldly, but if he didn’t have Boldin and Breaston, they would have never made it to the SB.
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but Warner is the essencial part
Cards before Warner? nothing
Cards after Warner? nothing
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No doubt about that, I am just saying Fitz was not only thing that took them to the Super Bowl
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I agree, but they also had a pretty good D
and actually had a decent 2 headed running game… Hightower and someone.
All I am saying is that it is a team sport. Duh? right?
I just saying that you can argue that WR is more important that RB, but I would afree with his arguement that Talent is more important than anything. I am sorry, one kool aid I am def not drinking is the JC kool aid. Dude just looks weak, mentally weak.
That said, personally I think Round one should be BPA of GUARD, WR, DE, and my personal pick, a S. So I promise, i am not arguing to draft a RB, just agreeing if Richardson fell, I would take him in a minute.
by Daniel Knick on Jan 25, 2012 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
Edgerrin James was the other RB
he was useless.
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agree about the team sport aspect, defense cannot be totally ignored, but the value of Jeffery/Floyd/whoever the should end up being higher than the value of whatever defensive end, safety, or cornerback when the Titans are picking.
a whole lot of this has a lot to do with my speculation on where players will fall, but since we still haven’t even seen the combine, that means even less than it would.
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elite running game is always good to have
but imo is more dependent on having an elite OL rather than some super stud RB
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by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 25, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
It is a fact that the only player on the field that can take a team from terrible to a contender is QB
Source? There have been plenty of terrible QB’s in Superbowls…
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exceptions to the rule. great QB = the formula for success.
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NFC Championship Game when he had a legitimate QB for once in his career in 2008.
To assert that it is entirely AP’s fault for the Vikings misfortune is completely ludacris. That’s like saying: look where Jared Allen’s got the Vikings or look where Barry Sanders got the Lions. Offenses need to be multi-dimensional in order to be successful in the NFL. If you are one dimensional, you end up with a very disappointing season filled with erratic play and disharmony in the lockeroom.
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by NJD28 on Jan 24, 2012 10:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
not what I’m saying, but you’re right, the one time he had a legit QB (read; passing game that also helped make Sidney Rice the NFL’s leading receiver that year IIRC) they did great things. that leads me to conclude that not only is the passing game more important, it’s catastrophically more important when you have a team built around a running back.
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Have we still not learned that RBs are overrated?
They are honestly not that important.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jan 24, 2012 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
don't tell that to the texans.
Arian foster and Tate made that team.
by -Erock on Jan 25, 2012 2:40 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Actually, I think Wade Phillips might have the most to say about that.
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Don’t you see the Titans picking up one of these positions in free agency. The WR class for free agency isn’t that bad. If the Titans pickup a solid #2 WR for a discount that would solve a lot of problems. Britt, the pickup, washington and cook? Even if there is a major injury you will have 3 solid wr’s
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Totally agree...
I’ve been thinking this lately, maybe we should pick up a proven WR in FA instead of drafting one, so we can focus on getting a G/C/DE first rounds in the draft. The only way I would like the FO to adress WR in the draft is If Blackmon is there at #20, which obviously is not going to happen. I like the Meachem idea, just to name one…
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by NJ Titans Fan on Jan 25, 2012 5:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I do not want Jeffery.
Unless he shows up to the combine in pristine shape and not the pudgy player he’s been this year.
He may carry a lot of weight but he's played well with it.
Leaps like Fitzgerald.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jan 24, 2012 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
More speaking toward him showing a couple signs of not keeping himself in shape.
The last thing we need is an unmotivated guy who doesn’t control his weight.
Really? I heard that he stays after practice to work.
I’m sure we’ll find out more soon enough, one way or the other.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jan 25, 2012 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
is it pudge or bulk muscle?
we dont want another mike williams
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Jan 25, 2012 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
as long as he plays well with it I don’t care if he weighs 400 pounds.
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yeah, that was kinda my point
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Jan 25, 2012 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
I want to play devil's advocate...
Cause we can also say that talented pass catchers can be found in the later rounds just as easily. Alijeal up above lists Welker, Gronk, Hernandez, Nicks, Cruz and Manningham. Of those, only Nicks was a first round pick. Two of them were undrafted.
I’m not opposed to a WR being taken early (though I can’t see it happening the first round), but there have been plenty of top pass-catchers emerge over the past couple of years who were not early-round picks and turned out quite well…the more important factor was they had a great QB in place.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 24, 2012 10:42 PM CST reply actions
This is a fair point.
You could argue our receivers may improve if Locker develops into an elite QB.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jan 24, 2012 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
What I was gonna say before I got caught up in the running back ordeal...
Jennings and Boldin were both 2nd rounders. Laurent Robinson was a 3rd rounder.
Austin Miles who? (Cough) Nate Washington? Malcom Floyd? Marques Colston?
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Packers – 0 First Round receivers
Saints – Only Meachem was a first round receiver
Giants – Nicks is the only first rounder and Cruz was undrafted.
Patriots – 0 First Round receivers.
I think there is plenty of talent in later rounds for WR.
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Tennessee is the place where WRs come to die. I'd rather take a risk on a first round WR than draft another Lavelle Hawkins in the 4th.
by NoMoreMustache on Jan 25, 2012 6:56 AM CST up reply actions
All 4 of those teams have top quarterbacks directing their offense
You can’t have it both ways.
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and probably better WR coaches/ know what talent to looks for
then we have had in a long long time.
Those teams seem to find productive WRs where ever we draft, just like us with cornerbacks as of recent.
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They find productive wide receivers
because they have quarterbacks that could make any wide receiver productive
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So you are saying Jordy Nelson or Victor Cruz is no one without Rodgers/Manning?
doubtful
(btw: I still don’t think Manning is that good)
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They aren't "no one".
Just not as high of production.
Look at Welker prior to the Patriots. Or, Deion Branch before and after the Patriots. There’s plenty of other examples, but those two come to mind.
I don't doubt the same amount of production wouldn't be there, they are playing with the elite QBs of the league
my point is, they are better at evaluating and utilizing talent, where we are not.
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We are horrible at developing/evaluating mid-round WRs
if there intangibles are already off the charts (KB) we receive little production out of them and it seems like they take forever to get going (Dwill, Hawk, Chris Davis, Brandon Jones, etc…)
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More than a little.
KB was a top 5 receiver in yardage (maybe #1…can’t remember) while he was active this year. He just can’t stay healthy. That’s not coaching….
I am talking about everyone else other then KB on our team.
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Then it's not a fair evaluation
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What evaluation do you want? We've never gotten a full season out of KB
When he plays, he’s dominate and that has a lot to do with his own physical abilities
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Well in your evaluation you removed KB
You can’t remove the best player from the position that applies to the evaluation. It messes up the mechanics.
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I didn't remove him... he is our 1 WR we drafted in the first round
and he is really really good. As long as we are drafting first 2nd round WR, cool… we just need to quit wasting picks on mid round WRs, is my point.
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by StPrattrick on Jan 25, 2012 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
I see this now
I’m doing too much multitasking… yarg…
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by StPrattrick on Jan 25, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
How many receivers have we taken in the first and second rounds?
One of the bigger names that sticks out to me and I hate is Kevin Dyson, who could have been replaced with Randy Moss.
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1st round - Dyson and Britt
2nd round – Tryon Calico – destroyed by injuries.
… have we taken any other WRs in the second round?
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by StPrattrick on Jan 25, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
Plenty of 3rd round!
Courtney Roby
Paul Williams
Dwill.
All terrible.
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by StPrattrick on Jan 25, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
DWill is not terrible
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by StPrattrick on Jan 25, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
Plenty of terrible 4th rounders to go with that group, too.
I’m willing to give DWill one more season, though. Last year was year 2 for him, and it can take a few seasons for a WR to put it together at times.
That’s not saying I think should pass on a wide receiver if he’s on top of our board.
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by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 25, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
I actually think KB could be one of the best receivers in the leauge on a team like the Giants or Patriots
seems obvious, but so is saying Jordy Nelson’s production would drop off if he didn’t have Rodgers throwing to him…
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he already is, just fix his knee and he’ll have a chance to show everyone.
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I can't wait for next year...
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Do you really think Jordy Nelson would be that good on the Titans?
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I think he is a good WR, so yes. Far better then any of our mid-round WRs... clearly.
If by ‘Good’ you mean Greenbay-style production… then this is a stupid question.
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You'll get no argument from me there.
Which is why I think we should leave Washington at the #2 spot.
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Washington put up 1000 yards this year.
Based on our agreement above, that means, if Nelson came here, his production would likely be somewhere between DWill (600 yards) and Washington.
I believe it. Actually, paired with Washington as our 1/2
I think he would have produced decently here. Dwill dropped soooo many Derp passes this year where I think Nelson would have not and/or could have used a capable receiver.
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by StPrattrick on Jan 25, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
Not according to PFF
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I am not saying statistically
ones that we literally saw hit him in the hands and Dwill gets a concussion from…
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by StPrattrick on Jan 25, 2012 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
I think positional coaching isn't all that important at the NFL level, save a couple of exceptions (elite QB, OL, DL coaches).
That’s half or your point, so we dont’ necessarily disagree. I just don’t think development is an issue here. It’s evaluations, but that’s a league wide problem. WR is probably the hardest position to evaluate in the draft. The Packers seem to have it dialed in, but most everyone else struggles much like the Titans.
As I said above:
We are horrible at developing/evaluating mid-round WRs
Yes it’s a league wide problem, but we are horrible at it.
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Alright!... so we are cool.
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I hope we figure out how to keep him healthy
that kid has hall of fame type skills
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maybe at the receiver position, but we’be found some pretty fabulous players in later rounds at other positions too.
I’d like to remind everyone that it’s not only receivers that can be found late in the draft, it’s just as likely (roughly) that you’ll find a cornerback or an interior lineman or pass rusher.
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I would argue that our track record indicates if we draft a OL in rounds 2-4 we can mold him into a starter.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jan 25, 2012 9:15 AM CST up reply actions
Right, we are better at evaluating mid round OL-DL-DB
pretty much every other position other then WR… we are terrible at finding mid round WRs.
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Does the utilization of a receiver not hinge on the quarterback?
I feel like this is a chicken and egg argument
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So then it's decided, all WRs will be amazing once Locker steps in. Agreed?
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Agreed.
But I would like to add that all WRs would be amazing amazing if they are Britt and Jeffery.
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and I would like to add we should quit wasting picks on mid-round WRs
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There are about 20 points DReese is screamin about in this post.
We should draft best available according to teams highest need, but we should draft a WR in the first, but then we should not get crappy players anymore, but we should wait to protect our QB with mid-round-kinda-crappy-players, bottom-line… playmakers win games, and we should get them – DReese.
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by StPrattrick on Jan 25, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
This pretty much sums up what needs to happen
we should not get crappy players anymore,
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by rothbard on Jan 25, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with that
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by StPrattrick on Jan 25, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Jan 25, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
weaker was still a beast before he met Tom Brady
He just played on a shitty team with no other receivers.
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basically a little bit better than Damian Williams.
we're gonna skate to one song and one song only.
So Dwill = Welker anywhere else?!
We are sitting on a Gold mine!
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Your logic is astounding
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by TitanNDCClothing on Jan 25, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
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Alijeal up above lists Welker, Gronk, Hernandez, Nicks, Cruz and Manningham. Of those, only Nicks was a first round pick. Two of them were undrafted.
Put any of these guys on another team and production would drop off.
First of all, I wouldn’t call any of these guys elite WR’s (Gronk excluded since he’s a TE). Put any of them on the Titans last year in place of Washington, and I don’t think production improves.
Second, the important thing to note is that all these guys have HOF caliber QB’s. The QB’s are winning in spite of the receiving talent around them (Gronk/Welker excepted). And, look at what happened in New England when a legitimate first round talent (Moss) joined the team. They set NFL records.
So, I wouldn’t focus so much on how well these teams are performing with average players at wide out. Instead, consider how good they could be if they had a legitimate game changer to work with at receiver.
by SuperHorn on Jan 25, 2012 7:43 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
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First of all, I wouldn’t call any of these guys elite WR’s (Gronk excluded since he’s a TE). Put any of them on the Titans last year in place of Washington, and I don’t think production improves.
Welker too, I guess. His situation is unique, though. Put him on a different team and I still think production suffers dramatically.
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by TitanNDCClothing on Jan 25, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
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My final argument for taking a wide receiver would be that there just aren’t a whole lot of good looking options in the 2013 draft.
Great post Reese…this point in particular.
The draft is all about value, and if this statement is true then it makes sense to grab a WR early.
That really is a huge point. I had not considered that.
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RB was not a need in 2008. Despite his struggles now, I don't think anyone thinks drafting Chris Johnson was a mistake.
by NoMoreMustache on Jan 25, 2012 9:15 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
Same would be the case if a WR was taken and produced as much as he did his first few seasons.
If the WR pool is thin for the 2013 draft as DReese mentioned, it’s better to look now.
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I've heard this opposite of this
a lot of defensive pools are shallow, such as FS, SS, and DE with not many elite talents at those positions.
WR is one of the deeper positions.
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Great point
in 2013 we should consider that. As for 2012, I think there will be a lot of talented options when it comes to our pick.
cue me drooling over Konz
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There's no way you or I could know that.
The FO likely doesn’t at this point either.
They need to go through their evaluations. Make grades. Judge against leaguewide projections, and then create a draft strategy. Konz is all the rage right now, but the FO may find that there’s a better prospect who’s available later in the draft. Same could be said for receiver.
I just think it’s way to early to be making wholesale statements about what positions we should and shouldn’t be drafting when we’re all working with incomplete information. At a minimum, wait until March before taking a hardline stance on something like this.
I gaze into my crystal ball a lot
It’s true that it’s too early, but it’s all we’ve got to talk about now. That’s why this conversation is happening. I was mainly just poking jest at the 2013 part.
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I agree with this, when we are drafting we have to look at best available vs. what our team needs are
and go with that. We are in a position where nothings is a ‘must’ but we do need.
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Except maybe safety, but we aren't drafting a S in the first.
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I wanted to say something funny to this
but became quite tongue tied. Blast….
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... so instead you tell me about how funny it was going to be?
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Great post.
But if we let JJ walk, pass rusher has absolutely got to be high on the list.
But Alshon Jeffery gets me real excited. Like numbertenox excited.
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:(....Great, let's just copy the worst ever NFL Coach Belichek
& we can have the most spectacular Offense with Jeffrey, Richmond, or some other WR.
When we kick the ball off, I suppose we can force teams to run & kill the clock since our run defense was the worst stat-wise in the nfl.
Offense is for kids, Defense wins the game!
Ya, we definitely should not be copying the 'worst ever NFL coach.' I certainly wouldn't want to be in the Super Bowl 5 times in 11 years.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jan 25, 2012 9:06 AM CST up reply actions
Duh.
We’re not even going to have offensive coaches anymore. Just a full defensive squad featuring our new 1-10 formation.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jan 25, 2012 9:14 AM CST up reply actions
Woops, my mistake.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jan 25, 2012 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
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While need more "weapons" on offense and defensive playmakers...
I really hope the Center position is a BIG focus in this draft. Not saying we have to take Konz in the first, but I really hope Webster/Munch identify the right player for that position. If they do, that guy could be working alongside Locker for the long haul (ala PeyPey/Saturday). Picking a Center that could start from day one with Locker will just ensure that they develop a lasting chemistry early on in their careers together.
I've heard great reviews for Osemele. He's a center who will be available in the second round
by NoMoreMustache on Jan 25, 2012 9:17 AM CST up reply actions
What I looked up on him listed him as a Guard
and secondarily as an OT. Not sure if he plays Center too but I’d rather see us draft someone that is primarily a center and shift Amano back to guard. Amano was good at guard and this would kill two birds with one stone
Great post, Dreese.
And I completely agree.
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How bout this guy in rd 2?
Appalachian State WR Brian Quick has been the talk of the town with his exceptional combination of size, speed and athleticism. He has blown away scouts with his natural talent, and his ability to hold his own against elite competition has coaches salivating about his potential. An NFC East position coach familiar with Quick proclaimed him the most impressive athlete at the position. An AFC South position coach said Quick is an outstanding prospect with the physical tools to be a special player in the league. With so much lofty praise being thrown around, it would not surprise me to see Quick go much higher than anticipated when draft day approaches.
Isn't WR supposed to be deep in this draft?
Why can’t we just wait till the 2nd round? Pass rush > WR, for us. Interior OL could probably be there too.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 25, 2012 10:10 AM CST reply actions
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From CBS Sports (formerly NFL Draft Scout):
(2nd number is adjusted for # of players at the position (ie. comparing 2 C’s to 7 guards isn’t apples to apples as there are 2 G positions, so naturally there are more players. The idea is to understand the scarcity of the postition in the first 3 rounds.
10 DEs project to the first 3 rounds. – 5 Adjusted for Position.
13 CBs – 5.2 AFP (used 2.5 as denominator with the prevalence of the Nickel)
11 DTs – 5.5 AFP
3 SSs
2 FSs
2 Cs
7 Gs – 3.5 AFP
12 WRs – 4.8 AFP
Ranked by AFP – C, FS, SS, G, WR, DE, CB, DT
Of course this alone shouldn’t dictate draft strategy, but it should be taken into consideration. To your point, it would appear that WR and DE are roughly equal in availability. It’s also worth noting that C/G aren’t necessarily “scarce”, they just typically aren’t drafted in the first 3 rounds which skews things a bit.
So what you are saying is... we should draft a FS with our first pick.
Got it.
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by StPrattrick on Jan 25, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
Just looking at the receivers there are quite a few projected 2nd rounders I'd be fine with.
And less so for DE.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 25, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
see my post right above yours.
Some very talented depth this year
by Daniel Knick on Jan 25, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
Theoretically, I like it.
But, the way point 3 is written really bugs me:
3. New England dumps Randy Moss, Tom Brady and the offense explode – As architects of the Shiny Hood Ornament Man Law, the Cold, Hard Football Facts knew long before everybody else that it was time for the Patriots to dump Shiny Hood Ornament extraordinaire Randy Moss.
And what happened? After a couple weeks reinventing its offense in midseason, Brady and the Patriots exploded. New England scored 518 points – the second most in franchise history and joining a short list of teams to top 500 points in a single season.
Oh, and Brady was brilliant without his former Binkie. He posted a 111.0 passer rating, the fifth highest mark in NFL history, set an NFL record with 36 TD passes against just 4 INT and, just for statistical shits and giggles, became the first unanimous MVP in NFL history.
This is totally misleading and such a sensationalist way to present things. Let me tweak that:
The Patriots added Randy Moss prior to the 2007 season, and what happened? After a couple weeks reinventing its offense in midseason, Brady and the Patriots exploded. New England scored 518 589 points – the second most in franchise (and NFL) history and joining a short list of teams to top 500 points in a single season.
Oh, and Brady was brilliant without his former Binkie. He posted a 111.0 117.2 passer rating, the fifth third highest mark in NFL history, set an NFL record with 36 50 TD passes against just 4 INT and, just for statistical shits and giggles, and became the first unanimous MVP in NFL history. Additionally, the Patriots were the only team in NFL history to win 16 regular season games
This guy could have totally articulated his point without all the smoke and mirrors. I just can’t identify (or take seriously) a theory that’s so dismissive of the greatest offensive season in NFL history that was due, in large part, to the acquisition of Randy Moss.
I don't think that was the point
It was to actually show that Tom Brady at that point in order to grow needed to get rid of Randy Moss, because he was probably too old to play his position at the level he was used to. (but yeah he was the reason why the Pats exploded in 07)
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IDK, but they were ahead of most people when they thought he was past his prime
I mean, he did get picked up by 2 other teams that year (albeit, one didn’t really TRY to use him to his strengths)
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