The 2012 Divisional Outlook and You: Is Houston Leaving Us All Behind?
Sit back down MCM, take deep breaths, try to contain your emotions. Just remember, fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. I feel like I might take a bit of heat for the title, so let me explain. No, I don't mean that because Houston won the division this year that they automatically are set up to continue to do so for the next several years. However, there are a number of other factors that lead me to believe that this might be the case. Is this a guarantee? For those that read MCM on the reg, you should know by now that nothing I say is ever a guarantee, I just throw stuff at the wall until something sticks, and in this case I'm going to try to take an objective look at our biggest rivals (time to finally admit it) and their newfound success.
The 2011 Texans are admittedly a very well put together football team. Not just the players either, it's unreal the impact that coordinator Wade Phillips has made on their defense. I remember doing a piece on how the Texans defense would still be terrible in 2011 no matter who was calling the shots because they were just that bad in the secondary, but look at this, they sign Jonathan Joseph and Wade Phillips starts running things, all of a sudden things begin changing.
It's not just Phillips either, there are some really talented players on that defense. Brooks Reed and J.J. Watt in back to back picks was genius. Putting pass rush at a premium is something I wish the Titans would commit to this year. This doesn't mean just keep drafting defensive linemen with our top pick over and over again, this leads to us becoming the Buccaneers who have used seven picks in the first three rounds over the last four years on defensive linemen. I guess one could argue that they're just bad drafters, but the strategy still makes me nervous. Back on topic: Watt may end up pushing Mario Williams for best (see: most impactful/valuable) player on that defense next year and Reed is a rare example of a work in progress that made an early impact. Some guys just have all the luck. Right there, you have three potential double-digit sack players. Throw in Connor Barwin who finally broke out this year and that's a really scary, young, foursome of players who can get to the quarterback. This, in turn, can make Wade's job a whole lot easier. The 2008 Titans are a prime example of how a great pass rush can hide some of the inconsistencies of a mediocre secondary. Nick Harper and Cortland Finnegan were still playing at a high level, but it's no coincidence that Michael Griffin's best year came when other quarterbacks had a lot less time to look him off with pump fakes and play action. Much like 08, the Texans have a truly talented player in Joseph, but I'd say the rest of their unit is pretty average, below average in some respects.
That's basically my observations on their defense. Not a whole lot of groundbreaking stuff, but remember when we used to say "They'll never have an offense good enough to drag that D into the playoffs!", well don't look now, but this unit is set up to be pretty good for a long time.
The offense isn't a mystery: there's a lot of firepower there, especially when Schaub is healthy. Andre Johnson may start to decline in a couple of years, but he's still a nightmare. Arian Foster is a stud, no questions asked. Moreover, their run game is built around a good offensive line and a very capable backup in Ben Tate. Take note Tennessee, this is doing it right.
Compare this to Jacksonville, a team that's an absolute disaster right now, and Indianapolis, whose future rests on the shoulders of a guy who's yet to make his first dollar in the NFL. This is kind of oversimplifying the issue, and I apologize to Jags and Colts fans for that, but I'm just not familiar enough with either of them to go off of anything other than a judgement call and popular perception. But if you can prove to me that Jacksonville isn't a total wreck, more power to you, I don't think I could argue for them if my life depended on it. There's only one thing standing in the way of Houston and total divisional domination for the next several years, barring a new Peyton Manning in Andrew Luck and/or a horrifying injury to a number of Houston's impact makers. That'd be us, folks. I genuinely think Tennessee has the best chance to trade power with Houston over the next few years. A lot of this rides on Jake Locker and how good he becomes, but what can I say, I like the cut of the Locker's jib, at least a lot more so than Gabbert's, and Luck is inheriting a disastrous situation in Indy, that is not an overnight fix.
If I were to project the standings for 2012 right now, I'd probably go with Houston, Tennessee, Indy, Jacksonville. I don't think it's impossible to compete with these guys by a longshot, but it's very evident to me right now that Houston fields, by far, the most complete team in the division.
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I agree
It made me so sad to see us fall behind Houston after knowing Manning wouldn’t get in our way in the division. I actually think that if Schaub was healthy, the Texans would be going to New England Sunday in the AFC title game. And…with that defense, I think they would have beat the Pats. The Texans in the SB is a scary thought. And I wouldn’t be surprised if they make a run at it next year. Rather depressing. Damn you Wade Phillips. You’re finally enacting your revenge for the Music City Miracle. :(
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Past season was an odd sort of transition year, with this offseason shaping up to be what looks like the final phase of a massive housecleaning effort. We will field a very new looking team next season. Not that we will magically catapult to the top, but I hope we are on the right path.
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by rothbard on Jan 20, 2012 8:28 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Good read
nice to throw this into the recipe to dilute the titan-kool-aid a bit.
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Jan 20, 2012 9:08 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
The Texans thought we were leaving them behind
back in 2008. The NFL is a fickle mistress…
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It's true. Texans were hot with no one having a proper off-season, mainly because they have dept and took advantage of everyone elses distress.
I am not convinced they have a team that will be dominate for multiple years quite yet.
Mind you, they lost to the same Colts team we lost to this year…
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I'm gonna have to agree with August on this one.
It’s easy to dismiss certain teams and laud others when the present situation spells things out. But, as August said, the NFL (or as I put it: the gods of fate and fortune) is a fickle mistress. Sure, the Texans have a recipe and ingredients for success, but I’d like to think the Titans have many of those same components. 9-7 in a “transition” and “rebuilding” year is excellent and a sign of better – and many more – years to come. I look at the Texans as somewhat peaking right now. They may be dominant or just better, but only for a few years.
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by TitanNDCClothing on Jan 20, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
When it comes to the Texans, I'm not buying...not yet.
Yes, their D is strong…and yes, Yates came on toward the end of the season to bail them out…but I’m gonna have to see a lot more consistency than just one fluke year where their div. was totally up for grabs with the Manning injury, for me to buy into the Texans. Speaking of Manning, Rob Lowe needs to do everybody a favor and stick to acting. With that being said though, I’ve maintained all along that I didn’t think Peyton would be able to come back from his injury. When you screw up your spinal area…you’re pretty much done in this sport.
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by titansfan4ever on Jan 20, 2012 10:19 AM CST reply actions
Mario Williams
Is a free agent. He will command big bucks. Maybe $8 million a year. I don’t think the Texans pay him that money when they have Connor Barwin and Brooks Reed as OLB’s. Williams also doesnt really fit in as a 3-4 OLB. I know he played fairly well this year, but he had troubles dropping into pass coverage.
Add his torn pec to the mix and I dont see him in Houston in 2012.
You think he'll go into FA as a DE or OLB?
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by StPrattrick on Jan 20, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
Especially considering his one season as OLB
Resulted in injury. Simple correlation, but no doubt the thought is present in his subconscious.
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by TitanNDCClothing on Jan 20, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
The injury was a freak. It had nothing to do with the position he was playing.
He made a long reach to grab a guy running by him and it pulled his pectoral muscle attachment off the bone.
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by FreedomRide on Jan 20, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
and that could hurt his payment
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Jan 20, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
So...you're saying you want him...but for less than 8 mil, right?
And if not him, what about Robert Mathis or Cliff Avril?
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by titansfan4ever on Jan 20, 2012 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
Robert Mathis would be cool, but we'd be signing him based on past production... I don't think we'll get the same player we are signing him for.
Cliff Avril would be good, but I’ve heard he isn’t as good as his DT are making him look.
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by StPrattrick on Jan 20, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
What do you think of Calais Campbell or John Abraham?
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by titansfan4ever on Jan 20, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
Campbell is F-in huge. I think that is what Grey is looking for in DE, but he was a 3-4 guy in AZ.
I don’t know if he will have the same production here… I kinda think we need big buys with the athleticism, not just mountain men.
I like Abraham a lot, but I wouldn’t give him any more then a 1-2 year deal IMO
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by StPrattrick on Jan 20, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Campbell played 4-3 DE at Miami for the Canes
So I don’t think the concept of him switching back to a 4-3 DE is that outlandish. If he feels uncomfotable, we can switch him to play a 3 tech. DT. Which is pretty much his role in Arizona’s 3-4 scheme anyway.
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by NJD28 on Jan 20, 2012 4:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Right, I think I just want more of a speed rush/multi-move type guy
IMO
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I'm meh on Abraham.
If we’re going to go get some FAs, I’d rather get some younger guys who have experience in the league but can be leaders and still have a ceiling to hit, not someone on the downside of his career. Maybe if we just wanted a locker room guy, but we need someone who can produce…especially at DE.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 20, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Right, Abraham's would be a great plug in guy, but i'd rather have someone we could build the D-line around.
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by StPrattrick on Jan 20, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
Personally, I would like Jason Jones to come back and either give him another year at DE or move him back to DT
then draft a high round DE, I think we’d save ourselves a lot of money on a big FA signing.
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by StPrattrick on Jan 20, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
Any word yet on whether the Titans will re-sign him or not?
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by titansfan4ever on Jan 20, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
Sounds like that will be Webster first order of business... signing our FA
So we’ll see what happens….?
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by StPrattrick on Jan 20, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
I think Jones won't come cheap
Someone will pay him big bucks. Just wait. He wont come back because we can’t afford him as a rotational DT, and we can find a more natural DE somewhere else.
Yeah, but i do like cliff avril
robert mathis is kinda small for grays scheme, but if he’s a good price, yeah
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Jan 20, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
He's had a history of injuries.
I’m hoping that will keep his price down where the Texans can afford it.
There’s always the Daniel Snyder problem, though, as Titans fans can attest.
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by FreedomRide on Jan 20, 2012 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, i agree
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Jan 20, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
Hence the phrasing "simple correlation"
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by TitanNDCClothing on Jan 20, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
He could make about 3-5 mil more as a DE as well.
He was successful as both a DE or OLB, I could see him going either way, depending on the team.
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by StPrattrick on Jan 20, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
Played fairly well? He was a monster—just ask Roethlisberger.
Wade rarely asked him to drop into coverage. The Texans need him back because neither Barwin nor Reed can bring it like he can, and they want a 3-man outside LB rotation to keep the pass rush fresh .
You’re right it will be a tough cap problem to re-sign him, though. The Texans have other some guys who need to get paid, starting with Arian Foster.
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by FreedomRide on Jan 20, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
They're gonna have to let someone go
And whoever it is, I’d be happy to poach him.
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by TitanNDCClothing on Jan 20, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
You can have Jacoby Jones.
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by FreedomRide on Jan 20, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
And Kevin Walter
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by The Night Owl on Jan 20, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
And Kareem Jackson, too...right?
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by titansfan4ever on Jan 20, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
We'll also throw in a box of kittens along with Kareem.
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by bone31crusher on Jan 21, 2012 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
8 million a year
i say he’llwant more than that, but he’ll get lowerd because of his injury history
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Jan 20, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
He made 14mil
this year, so I would imagine he will demand at least 10, and that’s only if he REALLY wants to stay in Houston.
by Bobbythegreat on Jan 20, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
The beauty of Wade's system is that Mario rushes the paser about 97% of the time.
And I’m not sure about him not fitting into the 3-4. He had 5 sacks in 4 games before his injury.
As for signing him, we’ll likely franchise him. Foster needs to be signed, and our pro-bowl caliber center, Chris Myers, needs to be signed too. We probably only have room for 2 long term contracts, depending on if some players are willing to take paycuts, which they have in the past.
There is a chance, though, that we might just let him go, but I wouldn’t count on it.
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by bone31crusher on Jan 21, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
As for signing him, we’ll likely franchise him.
No way that will happen. Too expensive.
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by FreedomRide on Jan 22, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
I think you're right about its being a 2-team division for awhile,
and you’re right that Locker is the key player in this power struggle. If he grows into at least a Schaub-quality QB and CJ returns to form, the Titans O with Britt coming back will be scary. That’s a couple of fairly big “ifs”, but I could definitely see them happening.
What do y’all think of how Locker looked in his 1st season? I didn’t see him much, but when I did, he seemed to have the “presence” of an NFL QB (which is a lot more than I can say for that sad-sack Blaine Gabbert, who looked like a scared kid among men).
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To be honest...
after seeing Dalton play this year, I have to say I was a little jealous. But if you’re gonna compare Locker to Gabbert, there’s no comparison. I think Jake will be very happy that he didn’t choose MLB…which would have been my choice if I had been in his shoes.
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by titansfan4ever on Jan 20, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
Dalton also had some great weapons to throw to and a perfect system for him.
And even then he regressed some as the season went along. AJ Green is almost more important to that offense than Dalton, without him they’re a dink-and-dunk team.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 20, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
^^This.
In two games against Houston, he got out-played by TJ Yates both times.
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by FreedomRide on Jan 20, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe....but of all the rookie QBs in his class...
he’s the one that stood out the most to me.
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by titansfan4ever on Jan 20, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
Ohhh yeah, that Newton guy!
He did some stuff.
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by StPrattrick on Jan 20, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
I didn't get to see too much of Cam
But I know he put up some numbers….just not very many W’s.
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by titansfan4ever on Jan 20, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Blame their defense for that, they couldn't stop many teams
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by The Night Owl on Jan 20, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
He's a beast. NFL, beware!
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by FreedomRide on Jan 20, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
I know that Warren Moon was very high on him...
and I totally respect Warren’s judgment…sooooo. Maybe the Panthers can shore up their D for next year, and we can see what having a year in the NFL under his belt will do for Newton.
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by titansfan4ever on Jan 20, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
He kept them competitive in many, many games
I can’t remember how many games they lost by less than a TD, but I’m sure it was quite a few. I’m not a Cam fan by any means, which says a lot about this praise. He certainly turned a lot of heads this year.
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by TitanNDCClothing on Jan 20, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
very far ahead of what I expected to be honest. I was kind of expecting a disaster with awful mechanics and passes flying all over the field, but he really looked (relatively) polished out there. if his growth as a passer remains consistent during this offseason, he’s going to be a heck of a player.
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Two reasons not to fear
1. Jake Locker looks like he’s gonna be reeeally good.
2. Britt, Washington, and Cook will make him look a lot better.
When I saw Jake play in the regular season, I felt like Yoda watching Luke Skywalker lift an X-Wing with the force. He was way better than I expected, and he’s just a rookie. What happens if Britt comes back 100% from his injury? I think we can finally have the dynamic offense we have lacked since Air McNair.
All we will lack is consistency in our pass rush. Our secondary (hopefully we can keep them) is built to be opportunistic, not smothering. It depends on a good pass rush. I think it will be helped by a powerful offense lead by Locker. I have a lot of confidence in our future.
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A pass rush is not ALL the Titans lack.
Our O-Line has GOT to be retooled!!
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by titansfan4ever on Jan 20, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
I'd say improved, not retooled...
Our pass blocking was first rate. Matt Hasselbeck actually got through 16 games this year… first time since when? But the run blocking did suck.
But we need that pass blocking to continue in an offense that features Locker as its main weapon, not CJ. We want a team that can put up points and keep the other guys from making them. With Indy’s fall, we no longer have to live by the ground game, keeping Manning off the field. We need to put fear into other teams that we may run up the score on them. Something we have not done in years.
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by titansfan4ever on Jan 20, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
Houston is definitely the team to beat in the AFC South right now.
However, if the management can keep making positive moves through the draft and free agency (more through the draft, obviously), then we could be up there with them in a season or two. Assuming, of course, that Locker doesn’t bust and we pull off some drafts that are half as successful as the past one.
It's between Houston and Tennessee next year...
I can see both teams duking it out to get first place. And I think whoever doesn’t get first will get a wild card berth. I think it’ll be Houston with the AFCS championship and Titans with a WC berth. But I think the division will be decided in the last week. Titans going 10-6 with Texans going 11-5 or something to that extent. Lower than expected records only because of the hard schedule next season. The AFCS is shaping up to be tougher next season. Jaguars and Titans will probably finish with 7-9 records.
The division will be Texans and Titans for the next couple of years, IMO.
And the Texans didn’t “peak” this season as someone surmised further up the messages. Considering all the key injuries to all the key positions, I’d say they over-performed expectations that naturally occur with those injuries taking place. Next season, they’ll have a better team… and hopefully they’ll have no Jacoby Jones and no Kareem Jackson.
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They did over perform to expectations
That was my point. I don’t see them doing that again. They will consistently be and 11-5 to 12-4 team for the next couple of years, barring injury or free agency.
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by TitanNDCClothing on Jan 20, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
Ah ok... sorry.
I read that wrong. I assume you meant that this year was a fluke and that they won’t be able to accomplish anything near the amount of success they had achieved this year. Didn’t see the qualifier “for a few years” in there. My mistake.
The thing is, I really see the Titans doing almost as well as the Texans in the next coming seasons as well. I think anyone that claims that the division is locked up for the Texans for the next few year are diminishing the strength that the Titans have acquired in the past few years(especially with Locker and Britt). If CJ returns to form(which is probable), the Titans offense will be difficult to compete with. What about the Titans defense, though? Is Finnegan staying with Tennessee? Will the defense as a whole perform better next year? What’s the on-going thought with them?
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re: Finnegan.
as of now, I don’t think Reinfeldt has made any meaningful contact with him. doesn’t mean he won’t, but it’s not looking good. it’s funny, the team has all this money to spend (30 million under the cap if I’m not mistaken) and they don’t bring back arguably the most important player on the defense.
all in all though, I think we expect it to improve. Derrick Morgan is beginning to claw his way back to being the player we saw before his knee injury, Karl Klug was a gem of a pick, Jurrell Casey is going to be a force, and we really love our two rookie linebackers Akeem Ayers and Colin McCarthy. even if Finnegan does leave, Jason McCourty has a shot to be a really good player, as does Alterraun Verner to some extent. safety is a spot of weakness and it wouldn’t hurt to add some depth at corner, but I like the way they’re shaping up.
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Diminishing marginal returns
Is it worth paying the farm for them? I’m thinking the FO is thinking no, and that they can address a lot more concerns than just one with the 30 million.
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by TitanNDCClothing on Jan 20, 2012 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, yes, I should've clarified
Wasn’t saying the Texans year was a fluke, but I think it will be harder to for them to get a whole lot better (the expectation will be in line with having successful seasons for the next few seasons), excluding people coming back from injury. Given that, and that the Titans had a “down” rebuilding year finishing at 9-7, I see a lot more potential for growth and success that they could overcome them in the next season(s).
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by TitanNDCClothing on Jan 20, 2012 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
Houston's the best and most complete team in this division.
I think they’ve got at least 2-3 years right now of AFC South reign.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jan 20, 2012 8:06 PM CST reply actions
what if we resigned finny, move alteraun to safety...
And draft/sign another corner?
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Our secondary outside of JJo was actually pretty good.
Of course, Kareem Jackson had another mediocre year (though he did play pretty damn well against Boldin in the playoffs), but our two safeites, Danieal Manning and Glover Quin, had good years. Both are very versatile, and both rarely give up big plays. In fact, GQ was amongst the best SSs in coverage this year.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
Ya'll have tons of money to spend
Go pick up Colston and Nicks from the Saints. That way you have two good receivers to keeps safeties off of CJ on his outside runs and a stud guard to move bodies between the tackles. Throw in an off season of development for McCarthy and Klug, re-signing Finnegan, and drafting Colples to bolster the pass rush and you have yourself a playoff team.

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