The Polians Are Out in Indianapolis; Is Jeff Fisher the Colts' Next Coach?
by Jimmy on Jan 2, 2012 2:14 PM CST
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So the news is all over the place that the Polian family is out in Indianapolis. There has not been anything official on the fate of Jim Caldwell yet, but it has to just be a matter of time before he is relieved of his duties. That means they will be looking for a new GM and a new coach. Could Jeff Fisher get both titles from the Colts?
Fisher said last week that the most important thing for him in evaluating a new job would be the general manager and quarterback in that order. While it is still amazing to me that Fisher seems to be able to name his job, it appears that he can.
Now that there is an opening at both positions in Indianapolis, don't be surprised if they hire Fisher to both positions, or if they hire him and let him hire his own general manager. I hope they give him both of those jobs because it won't end well if they do.
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Put this on the Black Monday thread, take it with a grain of salt cause it's PFT theorizing...
But I’d be quite ok with this outcome. Who would’ve thought before this season that I’d prefer seeing Manning come back to the Colts?
Polians out could mean Manning sticks around
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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 2, 2012 2:17 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I just don't want this to happen ... it stands the possibility of totally skewing Jeff Fisher's success....
I think we all agree that Fisherball is outdated and unable to garner a championship quality team (as of 8 years ago) …. but if Fisher gets to plug Andrew Luck into Fisherball for 10 years then it actually might start producing the results he couldn’t get in TN. That’s cause Fisher’s style requires that a QB be able to make a game winning 4th quarter drive 80% of the time …. and yeah….. If Fisher had had Peyton Manning in Nashville for the previous 13 years I’m sure things would have looked a bit different.
For the Jake of argument ...
by BythePowerofMunchak! on Jan 2, 2012 2:24 PM CST reply actions
"Fisherball" is tired argument
Of course Fisherball “works”, if you have the personnel to do it. Which of course TN hasn’t had in a long time
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I dunno if it really does. you run to seal the win, you pass to get the lead.
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What is FisherBall exactly
I tend to remember a certain Tennesse QB by the name of Steve McNair leading the league in yards and co-mvp. Doesn’t sound much like a run first team.
I remember a QB named Bily Volek putting up some serious passing yards.
I think people evaluate Jeff Fisher to much based off the first few years of McNairs career and the last 5 years with Vince Young.
I feel that once He has a capable QB who study and understands the game he can trust him to throw it. Plus when you have guys named Eddie George and Chris Johnson why wouldn’t you want to give them the ball?
Oh! and the run first mentallity is working just fine in San Fran, Baltimore, Cinny,..
I tend to remember a certain Tennesse QB by the name of Steve McNair leading the league in yards and co-mvp. Doesn’t sound much like a run first team.
despite the fact that Eddie had 315 rushing attempts the year McNair won the MVP, right? the year before he had 350, good for third in the league, the next year Chris Brown had 240 carries with Antowain Smith getting 140 as well, 05 saw a stable of backs that included Jarret Payton and Chris Brown break the 340 carry mark, 06 was Travis Henry, Lendale, and Chris Brown breaking 370 carries, Lendale and Brown broke 400 by themselves in 07, CJ and Lendale broke 450 together in 08, and so on and so forth. Fisher has always been a big fan of the run.
Plus when you have guys named Eddie George and Chris Johnson why wouldn’t you want to give them the ball?
because passing is better for the team, fact.
Oh! and the run first mentallity is working just fine in San Fran, Baltimore, Cinny,..
Flacco: 10th in the league in passing attempts. Dalton: 14th. nope.
it works well for the Niners because they play a cupcake schedule and haven’t allowed a rushing TD all year. that’s also the first argument as to why San Fran won’t go far in the playoffs and has no shot at a Super Bowl.
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Niner fan here
Niner’s schedule wasn’t as cupcake as some people thought, and the NFC West ended up being better than many people thought.
Niners can go far because a) they have one of the few real defenses in the NFL, b) they get a bye and home game, c) yes, they don’t have the best offense in the world, but they were 11th in the league in scoring, not too horrid (scoring more than Ravens, Cowboys and Steelers), and won’t face any real defenses unless they face the Ravens or Steelers in the Super Bowl, d) have one of the best special teams in the league (ask last year’s Chargers about that), and e) led the league in turnover differential (tying the record for second best diff. ever).. In fact they haven’t turned the ball over for 5 and half games now.
Just remember the quote from Brady before Super Bowl XLII.. “We’re only going to score 17 points?!”
I’m not making the Niners favorites by any means, but don’t be shocked to be watching them play in Lambaeu.on the 22nd.
by musamonster on Jan 2, 2012 8:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
That 49ers defense is really, really good (Ravens of early 2000s good). And, the 49ers have just enough playmakers on offense (Gore, Davis, Crabtree, etc) to at least score some points.
I think Aldon Smith is one of the least heralded rookies this year…he has been a beast. I think the NFC is pretty loaded this year so the 49ers may not go far, but they are a good team.
However, I also agree with D. Reese…you win games in the NFL with a good passing offense with a good passing defense. The game of football is won in the passing game. That’s why QBs are the most important players and pass rush is the most important defense.
by shawneriksmith on Jan 3, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
Very true
but Smith is no complete slouch like many seem to believe. He won’t be having any 5 TD, 400 yd games anytime too soon, but he has come up big when it counted most this year, orchestrating a few key 4th quarter drives to win some games.
For some reason, the pundits weren’t watching those games and keep repeating the mantra “Smith can’t make a comeback”…. maybe they should have actually watched the games.
I concur with you D.Reese.
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by Deaconbrodie on Jan 2, 2012 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
Fact Check
McNair nor the Titans led the league in passing yards his MVP season or any other season for that matter. We ranked 5th in passing that year (McNair with 3200 yds and Volek with the rest). Our greatest passing attack in Titans (Fisher) history didn’t even break 4,000 …. and honestly the only reason we threw it that much is because we were averaging a league low 3.3 YPC …. sound sort of like this current year? Pretty close … the big difference being that with our run struggles this year we actually CHANGED our philosophy seeing as how we ranked 30th in overall rush attempts.
That’s one of the biggest differences I see in Fisher and Munchak …
The year Fisher’s team can’t run the ball he’s still Top 10 in rush attempts.
The year Munchak’s team can’t run the ball he’s Bottom 3 in rush attempts.
For the Jake of argument ...
by BythePowerofMunchak! on Jan 2, 2012 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know if it's as simple as "Fisherball work if you have the personnel to do it" anymore
I think Fisherball would only work with Fisher having one single player that is able to completely take over a game with mental prowess or physical domination (McNair, Haynesworth and now potentially Luck)
Thing is that having a player like that usually always makes ANY scheme/style work … that being my point here. I don’t want Fisher to have Andrew Luck because then it’ll “prove” that his style works and then we Titans fans are sitting here with sore asses and a bunch of 8-8 seasons. Fisher to critics: “See! I just needed the best QB in the past 20 years”
For the Jake of argument ...
by BythePowerofMunchak! on Jan 2, 2012 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
Come on Jimmy
You have to use this pic…
USC > UT (Both of them)
by SoCalTitan on Jan 2, 2012 2:27 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I was just about to post the same thing...
Foreshadowing? Coincidence?
by SuperHorn on Jan 2, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
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by StPrattrick on Jan 2, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
beyond creepy
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by stetix01 on Jan 2, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
I laughed so hard at this pic. ROFLOL. So funny! love it.
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by Deaconbrodie on Jan 2, 2012 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
Not gonna lie, this kinda scares me
I still like Jeff and want him to succeed. I want him to go to St. Louis where we will only have to deal with him every 4 years
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by MikeGriffFan27 on Jan 2, 2012 2:27 PM CST via mobile reply actions
+1
I don’t know all the reasons Fisher is so disliked by Titans fans (although seeing my HC strutting around in a Division opponent’s jersey might do it for me), but I’ve always thought of him as very tough to beat if he’s got some players. When he has a QB playing at elite level, he is Super Bowl quality, obviously.
It would be best if he were to go to another Division and the Colts were to hire, oh, I don’t know…Mike Singletary? Yeah, that would be perfect.
How I felt about Fisher when he left aside.
I don’t want to see him on the sideline opposite the Titans twice a year. Not because I’m particularly afraid of him as a coach or anything, just because he’s one of those guys that was always going to be a Titan, to me. Kind of like how I felt the first time I saw Air McNair in that ugly purple.
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by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 2, 2012 2:29 PM CST reply actions
I have posted this in several other threads but I'm starting to get mixed up in all of them so again:
This move would scare me. Forget about his offensive inefficiencies for a moment, because if Peyton is back, Peyton will run whatever offense he wants, but Fisher has crafted several great defenses. Give a good defense to Manning and their is a chance for a quick(er) turnaround. I think Luck and Fisher would also have the chance to be really good together.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jan 2, 2012 2:31 PM CST reply actions
Would you rather have a couple more years of Manning or another decade with Luck?
I’d honestly rather Manning come back and they have maybe two more 11-win seasons (if that considering all the aging free agents and terrible depth they have) than see them go out and get Luck.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 2, 2012 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
Absolutely would rather have Manning there for a few more years.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jan 2, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
I'd take Luck in a heartbeat
Manning is a legend. 2-4 more years of him on my team (providing he is healthy) would be great, but after that it’s a no man’s land. How many teams have failed to replace the legend. See the Bills and Dolphins for good examples. If you have a clear replacement for Manning, you have to put him into place, otherwise this whole 2-14 team was for naught.
You're confused.
That is exactly why we want Manning to remain on the Colts- because it is a lesser option.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jan 2, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
Ah gotcha.
as a Titan fan I would like them to trade Luck to the Vikings (where he can play Rodgers twice a year), double Manning’s salary, and hire Jerry Glanville as coach. He needs a job, right?
Ron is asking as an opposing team's fan.
Who would you rather your rival have, Manning or Luck?
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Lol...
The riff will come when Manning/Luck is constantly faced with 3rd and 8-12 because Fisher wanted to run it up the middle on 1st and 2nd down every series.
Because Fisher would obviously run every play with no RB and Peyton Manning/Luck...
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oh, you were being sarcastic. Yes, I was joking, but would you really be all that surprised to see a Fisher-coached run the ball too much – even with Manning or Luck???
I think he would rather go to St Louis or San Diego than Indianapolis.
Sure you get Peyton Manning, but this year has shown that you really don’t get much else in terms of talent.
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whats amazing
is the amount of fisher-ready teams out there.
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by stetix01 on Jan 2, 2012 2:59 PM CST reply actions
they should call me for a reference
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by stetix01 on Jan 2, 2012 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I truly hop that Fish signs on with the Colts.
Honestly there would be nothing sweeter than beating Manning and Fish at the same time.
"I can name 31 other starting running backs that would have made that play" 104.5 the zone
Well that's obviously the other side of the coin
"I can name 31 other starting running backs that would have made that play" 104.5 the zone
And if that happened, a good portion of Tennessee would likely implode.
All those Fisher fans would rage hard. “I TOLD YOU HE WAS A GREAT COACH AND WE SHOULDN’T HAVE GOT RID OF HIM!”
The Force is with you, young SkyLocker, but you are not a Jedi... yet!
Mwahahahaha
It’s all going according to plan…
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Now just keep Manning and we'll be golden.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 2, 2012 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
a healthy manning is the flippin' prince of darkness for us
andrew luck is an unproven commodity. i dont get why so many people assume this guy will be the next manning? QB’s like peyton manning come along once every 25 years or so (hell, maybe more). the guy never has to take another snap again to be a first time hall of famer.
The NFL is littered with the carcasses from the “next” manning. My opinion on Luck is we’ll see. Manning may never be healthy enough, but if he is, you can count on a few more years of torture.
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There is only one Pey Pey
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2-3 years of Manning is better for us compared to 10-15 years of Luck.
Obviously no one knows how Luck will pan out, but if you were to rank all the QB prospects in the past 25 years, he’s probably top 5.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jan 2, 2012 6:05 PM CST up reply actions
I really like this development if it is true.
Fisher was not a great coach. You do not have as many non-winning seasons as he did with all the continuity he had if you are a great coach.
I realize that there are a lot of Fisher apologists here. Just because you have had an old show for a long time, and you are used to its fit does not mean that it is a good shoe.
It seems that there is also a lot of denial about how good a season Hass had. It was not that good. Look at his rating. Look at the immediate difference that Locker had.
All the denial together spells mediocrity. Now that the season has happened – past tense – , it does not matter what the expectations were up front. The team lost to Indy and Jax, and coughed up the Cincy game. Past tense you see what you actually had vs. teh competition. The team had more talent than anticipated. The message from Munch should not be that the season was a success. What the team achieved is an unacceptable level of success. Any other message will continue the “good enough” mediocrity.
I like Fisher in Indy. After a few seasons of 9-7/8-8, will Indy fans be as accomodating as Titans fans?
Typo
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by ColoradoTitan on Jan 2, 2012 6:06 PM CST up reply actions
What does Hasselbeck have to do with Fisher+Colts?
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by rothbard on Jan 2, 2012 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He's posted the exact same thing on two stories??
"I can name 31 other starting running backs that would have made that play" 104.5 the zone
note that I said 'better than anticipated' not great
expectations were a 5-11 season. The draft picks were good. We gave away games.
by ColoradoTitan on Jan 2, 2012 6:36 PM CST up reply actions
We gave away games because we weren't that good
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by rothbard on Jan 2, 2012 6:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hasselbeck?
Are you kidding me…when was the last time the Titans had a QB who threw for more then 3,500 yards? Yeah that’s what I thought…Hasselbeck had a good season maybe not great by anyone’s standards these days but a huge improvement by any means over anyone the last few years. It will pay dividends for this team next year and for our future QB.
USC > UT (Both of them)
I think Fisher is ruled out for the Colts
If Isray plans on hiring a GM who would then decide the fate of Caldwell then no way is Fisher going to be available by that time, he will be hired within the next two weeks by either the Dolphins, Rams or Chargers (if Turner is fired and possibly AJ Smith).
USC > UT (Both of them)
my hunch is
He’d prefer Chargers if the clean house.
Established top end QB. Decent RB’s & WR/TE. Just needs their D fixed.
Plus he played ball at USC. I’m sure he’d like to go back to that area.
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by oHIo1 on Jan 2, 2012 7:19 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
That's where I want to see Fisher
As far away from Tennessee as possible. Then instead of watching Rivers and Turner arguing, I can watch Rivers and Fisher arguing, because Rivers wants to throw it and Fisher wants to run it. Fire Turner! Hire Fisher!
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by SiriusTitansFan on Jan 2, 2012 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
If I may fill in the missing words from your final line
Fire Turner! Hire Fisher! WE Hire Turner!
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by Father of Zeus on Jan 3, 2012 1:59 AM CST up reply actions
dear god...
Only as a coordinator. Great coordinator, horrible head coach.
by -Erock on Jan 3, 2012 4:05 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
it's funny how quickly ppl forget
how good fisher teams were with a competent QB, which was the minority of his time in TN. giving him a guy like manning or luck and playing him twice a season would not be a good thing for us.
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by hal41605 on Jan 2, 2012 9:47 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
if VY had been more Cam Newton
and less “bastard love child of ryan leaf and purple drank russell” Fisher would still be here and we would have had excellent shots at super bowls in 2007&8 when the defense was as good as anyone in the league.
hard to think of a single coach that outlived a top 5 QB bust. they call them coach killers for a reason.
Fisher’s bad years here largely coincided with the roster being gutted by Floyd Reese and his back loaded contracts, and when VY was busy being shitty. can’t think of many coaches that would overcome either of those situations.
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by hal41605 on Jan 2, 2012 10:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
ugh. fisher sucks.
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by Deaconbrodie on Jan 2, 2012 10:33 PM CST up reply actions
Agree that Reese and VY definitely hurt Fisher,
But he did have many of his own faults. Nickey, Collins, and offensive playcalling just to name a few.
Locker has a receiver either side;
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Looking;
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by SoMissTitansFan on Jan 3, 2012 3:01 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
all coaches have flaws
all im saying is, when the QB was right, things were generally very good around here. i would expect no different at his next stop, especially if it was a Luck or Manning scenario.
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Yeah, agreed.
Give Peyton some of the teams/defenses that Fisher put on the field, and he wins more than 1 super bowl.
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by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 3, 2012 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
Fisher to the Colts actually makes me happy...means the Colts will suck.
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So Fisher gets to coach a team with Peyton Manning/Andrew Luck for the next 10+ years
and we have to see him on the opposing sideline 20 times in that time span?
….
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