2011 PFF All-AFC South Team: Sit Down Before Reading
by SuperHorn on Jan 19, 2012 2:01 PM CST
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Typically here at MCM, we'll link stuff on the front page and offer our own insights. Every once in a while, though, something comes along that's so powerful (and in this case, ignorant) that it doesn't warrant further commentary. That's exactly what happened this morning when I headed over to PFF to check out their All-AFC South Team:
Guards: Leroy Harris, TEN and Jake Scott, TEN
It was like watching a different Harris this year, who looked much better in Year 2 as the Titans’ starting left guard. Both he and Scott were better with their pass protection, but given the level of play from the guards this year (featuring a real down year from Wade Smith) that was enough for both men.
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Safeties: Michael Griffin, TEN and Antoine Bethea, IND
This wasn’t the easiest spot to pick, but in the end, we looked past Michael Griffins’ habits of biting hard on play fakes to link him up with the active Bethea who made 21 more tackles in run defense than any other safety.
Feel free to click through the link as there are other Titans on the list that actually deserve to be there. I love PFF and all the time they put into their work, but these latest evaluations really give me pause. If these three can slip through the cracks and be considered best in division, can any of their evaluations be trusted?
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we should try to resign griffin and harris now
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by Titans_Firefighter on Jan 19, 2012 2:05 PM CST reply actions
That was me fighting with them
and the fact they think they are right is mind-boggling.
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It's not like they even picked middle of the road people either (i.e. Hasselbeck, or Cook)...
they literally picked the worst humans on the team. How?
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So what they are getting at is… Griffen is the greatest safety to play the game, ever.
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It's more that Griffin is all over the place in terms of the way he plays.
He plays instinctual, except a lot of the time his instincts are completely wrong and he gets caught with his pants down. What I see potentially happening is that the grading system gives him huge rewards on those plays where he’s getting downhill into the box and making plays on the defender, as it should.
Problem is that when he makes a game changing mistake, I could see the evaluator being timid with the grade. Moreover, even if the grading is fair and he gets +1.5 for big plays in the backfield, and -2.0 for meltdowns in the secondary, I still think the magnitude is f#$ked. That is, a gigantic hit on a ball carrier (even one that forces a fumble) isn’t nearly as impacting on a game as biting on PA that results in points.
I agree, thier grading system is skewed in the sense he makes some decent plays in the running game
but can only be docked so low for letting a TD go over his head. He was rarely playing safety this year, more like a run-support LB.
Nick Harper had a shit-ton of tackles doesn’t mean he is a good corner, it means everyone was catching everything infront of him and he was so far behind the receiver that he had plenty of room to be there for the tackle.
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Instinctual?
Maybe, but his problem is that he is trying to do too much back there that he forgets to do his own job first. Griff is looking for the big plays, but what he forgets is to make the smart play first. The bait and switch only works when you give the QB a false sense of security, this is done by not biting on playfakes or pumpfakes and closing on the ball only when it has been released from the QB’s hand. Otherwise you are just setting yourself up to get torched, especially in the NFL.
However, I completely agree that their grading system for defensive backs (especially safeties) needs tweaking. Last time I checked one big hit does not make up for 7 points for the other team, no matter how hard you hit him.
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by NJD28 on Jan 19, 2012 10:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Have the link of the argument on twitter?
I just wanna see what kind of explanation they have for selecting our 2 guards. What a complete joke, unless the other teams’ guards actually played worse than Harris and Scott, which is unimaginable.
by infinitystealth on Jan 19, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
Is this a joke?
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Isn't that the play
where Foster completely faked Griffin on that huge run?
by Neodayz on Jan 19, 2012 2:19 PM CST via Android app reply actions
All Pro material there.
Where is the Amano love at? They have everyone else.
by Neodayz on Jan 19, 2012 2:22 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
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Both he and Scott were better with their pass protection, but given the level of play from the guards this year (featuring a real down year from Wade Smith) that was enough for both men.
This is what really gets me. Did even bother grading running plays? Certainly CJ gets his share of blame too, but the O-line wasn’t exactly doing any favors.
Not promoting the Texans at all... but they had one of the better run-blocking O-lines this last year
and MJD led the league in rushing yards.
WTF did Harris/Scott do to warrant being above those guys? Just because Hass can get the ball out timely, they deserve to be rated all-pro’s?
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the reason hass may have gotten the ball quickly may even have to do with the fact that hass used to play in a west coast offense
all the more reason to upgrade the O-line
Point being, the O-line deserves little credit for that
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by StPrattrick on Jan 19, 2012 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
My sentiment exactly :|
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by NJD28 on Jan 19, 2012 10:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
They did get Bironas, Washington and Finnegan right
I thought Houston had a better O line. Don’t like it but just saying.
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I just cannot comprehend this.
Apparently running the ball does not factor in to O-line evaluation for them.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 19, 2012 2:32 PM CST reply actions
They almost have to grade O linemen weighted heavily toward pass blocking.
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by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 19, 2012 2:35 PM CST reply actions
I don't know why you guys are so upset
Harris and Scott are amazing offensive linemen…the Titans are making a mistake not getting those guys signed up long-term.
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Harris and Scott are ok
Besides from Harris being stupid and getting a lot of stupid penalties, I don’t think I remember too many bad plays from these guys.
I think Amano is the problem. Our O line went to shit when Mawae left and Amano took over.
I don't think Harris is as bad as he's made out to be.
That doesn’t mean I think he’s good or anything. But I personally Jake Scott is the worst lineman out of the 3 of them.
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by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 19, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
Harris is terrible for his penalties
that alone should get him benched, regardless of his average to bad play.
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All three of them have made plays and also sucked ass
That’s the problem. Snap-to-snap you never know what you are going to get.
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We can all quibble over who gets the lion's share of blame.
Bottom line, I don’t think any one on MCM would ever consider any of our interior offensive linemen to be best in the division.
SH, it's already on the internet that they are...
no denying the truth now
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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 19, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
^Truth.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Jan 19, 2012 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
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by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Jan 19, 2012 3:43 PM CST reply actions
Jake Scott never looked insufferably bad out there, from what I saw.
However, Harris and Amano looked insufferably bad often.
But still, neither Harris nor Scott are anywhere close to being All-ANYTHING.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Jan 19, 2012 4:37 PM CST reply actions
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by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Jan 19, 2012 6:28 PM CST up reply actions
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Jan 27, 2012 4:13 AM CST up reply actions
Ruud would have made it...
if he had played all year.
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by Neodayz on Jan 19, 2012 4:51 PM CST via Android app reply actions
ironically
PPF forecased Titans fans would be hugely dissapointed in ruud and ultimately be seen as a major downgrade from tulloch
by CeolsigeWK87 on Jan 19, 2012 7:10 PM CST up reply actions
so did i, back before the season started
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Jan 19, 2012 9:07 PM CST up reply actions
I keep waiting on a report that says they both played with broken legs or arms all year.
The nerve of PFF to reward them for their “effort” this year.
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This is the second major report on Leroy Harris that valued him more than we do. FO/Word of Muth and now PFF. Don’t get me wrong, these are glaring mistakes for sure. Whatever grading system they used to make Harris a ‘top’ OL in the South clearly indicates the system broken. Of all the players mentioned though, I will meagerly stand up for Harris a bit. He wasn’t good by any means, but maybe he wasn’t that bad. Despite my disagreement with both FO and PFF on this, their opinion carries a lot of weight to me.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jan 19, 2012 4:58 PM CST reply actions
Yeah.
Again, I think Harris takes the lion’s share of the blame, and why? Is it just the penalties? I think he was probably the best of the 3.
But that’s not saying much.
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by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
Roos and Stewart
likely just make these guys jobs easy. The front office speaks of upgrading the line (unlike this time last yr) so i wouldnt look to much into this. The division is just weak at og and s
I can understand Griff because of our division being deprived of top safety talent but…
Really, Harris and Scott? There has got to be a better guard in the South better than Harris and Scott. I bet you there is a better two gaurds in the Sun Belt confrence better than Harris and Scott. Maybe it’s just me but from the few games I’ve watched, Harris and Scott have failed the eye test miserably.
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by NJD28 on Jan 19, 2012 10:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
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