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Why My MVP Vote Is For Drew Brees

What an amazing year it's been for the quarterback position in general. Did you know that Matt Stafford threw for 5,000 yards and 41 touchdowns this year? Probably not. I know I didn't. Normally, those are MVP types numbers paired with the fact that his team made the playoffs, but he'll get no love this year from the voters because that's just how good Rodgers/Brees have been this year.

For awhile, I was all aboard the Aaron Rodgers bandwagon. He was the MVP, no questions asked. But then I thought back to the 2009 season where our old friend Chris Johnson, some of you may have forgotten about him, but he was pretty good back in the day, was running all over everybody. He ended the season having produced a staggering amount of yardage, but for what? His team missed the playoffs. Chris Johnson wasn't the MVP that year, but it wasn't because the Titans missed the playoffs, it was because everyone in the league recognized how much more important Peyton Manning was to the Colts. Looks like they made the right call, two years later Manning goes down with a season ending injury and the Colts win two games, Chris Johnson is hit with a sudden bout of poor play and the Titans come one win short of making the playoffs.

In short, it is ultimately the player most directly connected to his teams' success that wins the award, not the one with the best numbers.

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Fortunately for Brees, he's got a slight case for better numbers while also being infinitely more valuable than Rodgers. It's true that Rodgers would probably have ended up with better numbers in New Orleans' offense. The amount of throws they ask Brees to make is ridiculous and any quarterback would benefit from having all of that talent around them, but let's not forget where Rodgers is coming from. Green Bay is absolutely loaded at the skill positions, so it's hard to make an argument that player X has a lot more to work with than player Y.

Earlier, I said that Brees' case for having better numbers was slight. Hard to believe someone who set the record for most passing yards in a season and completed more than 70% of his throws doesn't have the statistical edge here, but that's the reality of it when Aaron Rodgers only throws six interceptions all year and throws a touchdown on almost 10% of his passes. For the advanced stats crew, Brees posted a healthy 133 rate+ this year, making him roughly 33% better than the average NFL QB. Rodgers was in a whole different galaxy with a rate+ of 147. No doubt that it's a tough call between the two. Rodgers was the more efficient quarterback, but Brees was more prolific.

In the end, it's all about value to the team. It's becoming a bit overdone to say that Matt Flynn cost Rodgers the MVP award, and I don't think it's necessarily true, but it sure doesn't help your case when your backup shreds a team that's still playing for playoff positioning in the final week of the season without his top receiver in the game. The final question I had to ask myself was "What would the Packers/Saints look like without Rodgers/Brees respectively?" In the end, there's a lot of speculation and guesswork involved, but you have to think that maybe Green Bay still hits double digit wins with Flynn as their quarterback. Again, this has a lot to do on whether or not you think Matt Flynn is a good player or not, but I also think that even though Green Bay's defense was porous in terms of giving up yards, their penchant for coming up with big turnovers was good enough to bail them out of a lot of rough spots. The Saints, without Brees, have no running game, no defense, and no passing game. Question: do you have more faith in Matt Flynn than you do in Chase Daniel? Chances are, you do, and for good reason.

So there you have it, a little look at the 2011 MVP race. When it's all said and done, I don't think there's really a "wrong" answer to the great debate. There will be dissenters either way, but it's going to be really hard to argue that either of these players don't deserve the award.

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In my opinion

both of Manning’s last 2 MVPs should have gone to Brees… 5000+ yards (only the second time to be done) one year and setting the passing completion record another. Manning had great seasons, but mostly won it because… He is Manning.

This year is yet another year Brees will break records (even more this time) and miss out on the MVP

by musamonster on Jan 11, 2012 4:35 PM CST reply actions  

This year was a good example of how 'valuable' Manning was.

When Brady missed a season the pats still went 11-5

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by CrazyTitan on Jan 12, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Meh

The “value” part of the MVP award is overrated. Besides, I’m not too sure that the Colts with Manning would have been that great. The Colts just show why you need a decent backup QB, and not Curtis Painter.

Everyone likes to knock Cassel, but he had a great year in 08 and had an even better year in 2010. If the Colts had Cassel from 08 or 2010, they would have played much better.

by musamonster on Jan 12, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I knew about Stafford's great year. I had in on a fantasy team.

I had 3 fantasy teams this year. My 3 QBs across those leagues: Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Stafford.

I won 2 championships. Thanks, guys.

"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"

by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 11, 2012 4:57 PM CST reply actions  

LOL. I had Rodgers and Stafford on the same team and started Rogers every week except the bye.

I got epic production.

by Cld12pk2go on Jan 11, 2012 10:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Breaking a 27 year old record gets my vote.

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by J3G77 on Jan 11, 2012 5:30 PM CST reply actions  

good article, one point though
The Saints, without Brees, have no running game

The Saints have 3 pro-bowlers on the offensive line. They have 3 good backs Thomas, Sproles, Ivory. They had 5 to begin year. Ingram on IR, and Bell plucked off practice squad by Lions. They can power run when they want to, they just choose not to most times.

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by DrWhoDat on Jan 11, 2012 6:14 PM CST reply actions  

Why my mvp vote is for Brees

Cause he was the best QB in the league. I still think it should be the most outstanding player which you could statistically quantify as the most dominant player at their position in the league. However this will not happen so my vote would be for Brees

by Seal Clubbing on Jan 11, 2012 7:21 PM CST reply actions  

I vote Brees. He broke too many critical records in mind-blowing fashion to be overlooked.

by Cld12pk2go on Jan 11, 2012 10:28 PM CST reply actions  

I want to lean towards Rodgers because

if your going to look at the numbers there are two key ones that favor Aaron

1) Wins
2) Games played outdoors. Not an important stat on its own but when you factor in that Brees played 11 indoor games to Rodger’s 3, It can skew the passing stats a little. New Orlean’s worst weather game was against the titans and that was a sunny day.

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by CrazyTitan on Jan 12, 2012 11:39 AM CST reply actions  

A huge point is being overlooked...

This is aside from the Rodgers/Brees debate, but consider this:

Rule changes last offseason resulted in most kickoffs becoming touchbacks. That means, for every field goal or touchdown that followed a kickoff this year, the offense probably had to cover an average of 7-10 more yards than in prevous years. Add those numbers up over 16 games, and you can see why Brees and Brady broke Marino’s record.

If you add all the other rules that have been implemented in the last 20 years to protect the QB and give WRs more chances, Marino’s ’84 numbers are awe-inspiring.

Per the MVP debate, I vote tie (a la Favre-Sanders a decade ago). But the AP all-pro vote suggests this trophy is going to Rodgers.

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by dgx on Jan 12, 2012 2:14 PM CST reply actions  

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