Jim Washburn Is Gone, Big Deal.
Forgive me if I'm the only one, but I think it's safe to say that the loss of Jim Washburn might have been wildly overblown in the offseason. I'm not trying to imply that without one of the more recognizable assistants in the NFL today that the Titans are significantly better off, but perhaps we all freaked out a little too much about losing a position coach, especially one with a big hole in his philosophy.
All I'm saying is that through the first couple of games, I haven't noticed his absence one bit.
The first game is really still a sore talking point in general, mostly because it was a terrible game. The more we see this defense in action, the more we'll give credence to the fact that Derrick Morgan and Jason Jones both missed this game. The whole team played a great game in week two, but the importance of these two just can't be repeated enough. I could bore you with stuff you already know about how the NFL is a passers game and that pass rush is key, but I'll take it a step further and say that the health of these two might just be the most important component to the success of the entire defense this year. Problem is, the health of at least one of these guys is about as fleeting and rare as a Houston Texans playoff appearance. This places even more pressure on Morgan to stay on the field and keep getting after the quarterback like he did last week. Without the two starting bookends, the defense goes boom, simple as that. It's not about assistant coaches, it's about the guys in charge putting the best players on the field period. While Albert Haynesworth has been one of the largest free agency busts in a long time, he showed flashes of the brilliance that made him such a hot commodity in the first place in week one for the Patriots. He was on the field often and he drove double teams back five yards on the reg. It looks like our old friend might be up to his old ways in the 4-3.
However, I think it's a little bit naive to say that Washburn had no effect on the defense whatsoever. The transformation of Jason Babin from a fringe special teams contributor to a pass rushing specialist in one year was one of the best stories in the NFL last year. Babin, when used correctly by Washburn, was an excellent pass rusher. One of the best in the business last year, anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves. Washburn's super aggressive style suited Babin very well, and without being confined by certain schemes, he was free to wreak havoc on the outside. As we all know, Babin has followed Washburn to Philadelphia where they hope he'll continue to beat opposing tackles into submission every week.
What this new defensive line lacks in all out aggression, they make up for in steady discipline. It's one thing when your system of sending everybody to the backfield as fast as possible works well and players aren't jumping off sides every play, it's another thing entirely when they are. This pressure-oriented but still disciplined unit has the potential to play much better than the ones of yesteryear because of the fact that they play smart football up front. The reckless abandon approach has been trashed for the most part, or so it may seem. What remains is a still aggressive line that plays its assignments and looks to eliminate the "dumb penalties" aspect of their game.
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I wholeheartedly agree
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by rothbard on Sep 22, 2011 7:44 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
plus it helps when Reinfelt got a bunch of gems in the draft to play on the line
I think the best value has to be Klug he plays like a several year pro… and he’s versatile, and when he gets a little more football knowledge I think he can be an inside and outside guy… and all our rookies are playing well on defense
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by Grimerz757 on Sep 22, 2011 8:34 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Has anybody watched the Eagles?
It was hard for me to watch their defensive line. It brings back memories of gaping holes in our run defense. Washburn’s strategy is great for certain circumstances, but it appears that our d-line now has versatility and can adjust depending on what the game dictates.
most of the guys playing on our d-line
have had the vast majority of their NFL training at the hands of Jim Washburn. it would be silly to think that would all just get washed away so quickly. if we are gonna eventually miss the guy, it will be once we have enough turnover to where it’s not still almost entirely “washburn guys” on the line.
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not really
Jones, Marks, and Hayes are the only guys that are “Washburn guys”, unless you want to count Morgan, but he hasn’t participated in a whole lot due to injuries.
Klug, Casey, Clayton, Smith = Washburn who?
Sheppard = 3 weeks with Washburn; whole training camp with new regime
Ball = 4 years elsewhere, 3 years with wash
So, three guys (4 max) can be considered as having the vast majority of their NFL training at the hands of Washburn.
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you are definitely minimizing his impact here
Klug, Casey, Clayton, Smith = jax running wild
dave ball was a total nobody til he came here and studied under wash, and morgan was obviously around learning.
my only point is the guys who are actually good are mainly washburn products, and it will take far more time than just a few weeks and a chopped up off season to tell the true impact of his departure.
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by hal41605 on Sep 22, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jax running wild... in the first half, when the entire team was a cluster F-
and we’ve already realized, Klug and Clayton should not be on the field on the same time… but you are passing a lot of judgment on 4 rookies with 2 games under their belts. After the draft I would have never guess anyone but Casey was going to be a starter, let a lone contribute on a fairly dominate D-line.
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by StPrattrick on Sep 22, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
judgement?
im saying precisely that we CAN’T judge this thing as of now.
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Except they all played in week 2
and week 2 = Baltimore running no where.
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they played less
and with much better talent around/among them.
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Yes, and none of that involved rush-the-QB-and-get-gashed-Washburn
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Wait St.Prattrick did you mean clusterf-luff??
It's Kenny Britt's duhdaduh HOUSE! Justgota 100 yards, lettin it all hang out.
by Titanluv318 on Sep 22, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
mmmmmmmh Fluff....
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by StPrattrick on Sep 22, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
right,
because our run was always so bad w/ washburn….
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Hadn't been good since we lost Haynesworth (or Schwartz)
Not buying “Washburn is god of DL” meme
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by StPrattrick on Sep 22, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
you don't have too
just look at all the scrubs who were at their career peak here and then fell off when they left, or vice versa
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Odom is still a bad ass
when he’s not gettin’ shot.
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by StPrattrick on Sep 22, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
So Wash's main positive
is that he can get scrubs to play a little better than they otherwise would? I’d rather just have talent to start with.
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I think that was a talent of both Munch and Wash...
it really helps with the draft. But who’s to say Rocker can’t do the same thing.
So far he's doing a great job.
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apples to oranges
Washburn not the only difference between players’ situations
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If he is, then Rocker is doing an amazing job with only a few months at the job...
3rd best defense/ 14th against the run/ 3rd against the pass. just sayin’
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BUT WASHBURN JUST WUNZ!!!!!!11!1!
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by rothbard on Sep 22, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I am gonna give Tracy Rocker some credit too
he hasn’t seemed to miss a beat with the intensity of this D-line and like you said, they seem a lot more versatile. I am really excited for what he is going to bring here.
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by StPrattrick on Sep 22, 2011 9:42 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Thumbs up to That
Dude, exactly. if he had no real effect on the players, then the d-line wouldn’t be doing as well, i think. i love me some Washburn and wish that he hadn’t left (thank you very much J. Fisher), but discipline along the line is a beautiful thing. now if the games would only be aired out here in California, then i would be in blissful peace.
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by Pulp Fiction on Sep 22, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
This; discipline. As I said above, after the draft I would have never imagined Klug, Clayton, and Casey would be rotational starters
I thought they might start coming into their own midway through the season, but they are actually making solid impacts on the d-line. The addition of JJ. and Capt. Morgan are definitely giving them the weapons to make them shine, but they are getting better with each game. Rocker hasn’t missed a beat and I am actually impressed for what he has done with less in a little amount of time IMO. Speaking of discipline I don’t remember seeing too many offsides penalties from our D-line so far (as apposed to false starts from our O-line…… HARRIS<<<<)
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by StPrattrick on Sep 22, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
What about Ball?
Ball was doing some impressive work in pressuring Flacco this last game. I think he is an important cog as well.
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Has everyone seen his interview after the Baltimore game? http://www.titansonline.com/media-center/videos/DE-Dave-Ball/f4ac3e5f-4f0f-4b19-913f-a6c44a08f0f4
I like his wit almost as much as I like his play.. IMO we don’t know what we’ve got yet. Certainly the trend is good and I’m looking for a dominating perfomance against the Broncos.
Too soon to be talking about a Superbowl? Ummm... Ok
by Father of Zeus on Sep 22, 2011 10:32 AM CDT reply actions
2 things
DReese please stop talking about the Titans injuries or potential injuries…maybe we can leave that for fanposts.
Also, I think the major difference that I like from our new scheme is the discipline everyone is using on the different plays. If we’re not blitzing, and it’s a passing down, then the DE’s are going after the QB from the jump. But on running downs, or when we’re blitzing, the DLine is staying at home, occupying blockers and stuffing the run. I believe this system is much more efficent than previous systems in TN.
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by DuelDukes on Sep 22, 2011 1:31 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Great read, totally agree
I think Washburn is overrated for several reasons. He is highly regarded as a DLine coach because of the enormous contracts for which his players have left the Titans … those contracts are directly related to sack production and generally seem to ignore the player’s ability to obey speed limits defend the run. In the 12 years Washburn spent here we had many years of defensive success, but we also had four years where we ranked in the bottom 10 in sack production and five years ranked in the bottom 10 for yards allowed. One of the most glaring stats is that during Washburn’s tenure the Titans D ranked in the top 10 most def penalties six of his twelve years.
Washburn + Fisher = 1 Super Bowl appearance
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by BythePowerofMunchak! on Sep 22, 2011 3:03 PM CDT reply actions
I actually like this D-Line scheme better than Washburn
Less penalties and more discipline. You don’t see any gaps because of over-aggressiveness, and screens and dump passes are dissected pretty well (of course, Ray Rice begs to differ) but still, for the talent we have on that line compared to some other teams, Rocker is doing a great job.
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