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Tennessee Titans Daily Links: The Case For Not Paying Chris Johnson Is Flawed Edition

Tennessee_titans_30x21 Chris Johnson's holdout made the pages of Forbes magazine, which officially means EVERYONE has an opinion on the situation. Jimmy posted the argument against paying CJ last night, but I have to say it's strikes me as a little bit of a disingenuous thought Aaron Schatz gave ('elite RBs don't win Super Bowls'). The truth is there are a lot of different ways to win the Super Bowl, and banking on short-term anecdotal evidence is a pretty foolhardy plan, IMO.

While the most common path is having an elite QB, they don't grow on trees. We've got a rookie QB the coaching staff believes can get there with time, but until then the Titans would be fools not to lock-up the best RB in the league for a good 5 years. Quarterbacks need playmakers around them, and you don't get any better at making plays than Chris Johnson. You can't accurately compare CJ to other elite running backs, because he's so much more of a homerun threat than anyone else in the league. When he gets decent blocking, a simple draw play can have the same results as a deep bomb from most QBs. Will CJ be as good in 5 years as he is now? Probably not. But in the meantime he has the one of a kind skill set to change the momentum of any game on any given touch. There's no evidence relating to CJ's health or performance that says he won't earn that money, and if he holds up his end of the deal while the defense and O-line steadily improve, we'll reap the benefits in the win column.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 While there have been several pleasant surprises so far through camp and the first preseason game, there's also been one quietly acknowledged cause for concern: Rob Bironas. Big kick Rob has been one of the most accurate kickers in NFL history so far through his career, but he's been struggling with his accuracy so far in practices, scrimmages and last Saturday's preseason game. Nobody is hitting the panic button yet, but the pressure is definitely on for Rob to right the ship and get back to drilling FGs like we've gotten used to seeing him do for the past 6 years.

Star-divide

Tennessee_titans_30x21 Kenny Britt is hopeful that he'll be ready and cleared to play in Saturday's game against the Rams. Britt had his first full practice on Tuesday after sitting out with a reoccurring hamstring injury, and the coaches are taking a cautious wait-and-see approach with the team's most talented pass catcher.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 Jim Wyatt has 5 thoughts on the Titans so far, including emerging playmakers, impressive rookies and Jake Locker's poise.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 Titans season tickets still aren't selling they used to, says The Tennessean's Duane Marsteller.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 I mentioned a few days ago that the signing of Adam Terry should put Troy Kropog and Mike Otto on the hot seat this preseason, and now Kroprog will miss most of the rest of the preseason after having his knee scoped. The knee has been bothering Kropog for a while now, and he and the team agreed that it's better to address the issue now rather than risk it getting worse.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 David Boclair wonders if the Terry signing is an ominous sign of the real status of David Stewart's hamstring injury. Munchak has contended that Stewart's injury is nothing significant, but it's worth keeping an eye on over the next few weeks.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 Rookie Titanns LB Colin McCarthy has been named in the brewing improper benefits scandal at the University of Miami. The booster-turned-whistle blower at the heart of the scandal says he entertained McCarthy and several other Hurricane players at his mansion, which is a violation of NCAA rules.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 You can put away the signs, folks: Aaron Maybin is expected to take his perpetual train of disappointment to the Jets for 2011.

 

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All I get out of the Miami situation is:

a) I needed gene therapy early in life to have a football body
b) I should have played football for the U

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by rothbard on Aug 17, 2011 10:19 AM CDT reply actions  

As a Terps fan this whole situation makes me so happy

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by sami426 on Aug 17, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

TERPZ? confession: even though I live half an hour from the stadium, I’ve only been to two MD football games.

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by danielreese05 on Aug 17, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would totally buy that guy's South End Zone tickets if I still lived in town.

I’ve been to Tennessee for two funerals this year, and in truth, I hope I don’t have to go back real soon, but… it’d be really cool to be able to take my kids to one of the games this season.

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by DannoE on Aug 17, 2011 10:19 AM CDT reply actions  

That Forbes article is solid.

I’m not sure I agree with his conclusion:

My best guesstimate on Johnson: he has a new contract a week before the season opener – that is enough time for him to be ready – that zooms past the rate for top running backs ($9 million average per year, $21 million guaranteed) yet does not reach the $12-$13 million average per year and $35 million guarantee that he is seeking. I would look for a five-year deal with 25-30% increases off of the top of the running back market: thus, a total value of $56-58 million and guarantees in the $26-28 million range.
I’d love that outcome, but I think CJ wants more money.

by SuperHorn on Aug 17, 2011 10:42 AM CDT reply actions  

I think they settle for that range

it’s a negotiation. If CJ and his agent are giving an accurate number for what they expect to get, then they’re idiots.

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by August West on Aug 17, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree in principle, but I bet there are more than one teams who would pay whatever they’re demanding.

by joshuaboone on Aug 17, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

it´s one thing to pay the contract,

but another thing to pay the contract AND give up the value for the eventual trade.

"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.

by criollo_pcg on Aug 17, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would be happy with whatever gets CJ into camp.

If it is 1 million and CJ is happy, cool. if it is the above quote, fine by me. I just want this to be done with.

by oilertitan on Aug 17, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

A quote I disagree with from that article...
They want to move this negotiation away from a discussion of top running back contracts to top overall player contracts. They also are reluctant to give "credit" to a rookie deal that has Johnson playing under his market value. This frustrates the Titans – as it would me if I were them – as a "normal" negotiation addresses relevant data for the position as a primary guide.

So this guy wants to negotiate under “normal” operations. Then shouldn’t CJ provide them with “normal” RB performance? That’s the thing here, I believe all parties admit that CJ is a special player. As such, “normal” negotiation points will have to be reconsidered.

by oilertitan on Aug 17, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

You don't pay him for past production though

He has done some great things in the past, but he needs to do even better things in the future with that kind of money.

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by StPrattrick on Aug 17, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

No. That isn't exactly correct.

His performance can be addressed in terms of that of his contemporaries, and indeed, this has been done successfully a few times in a few different ways.

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by DannoE on Aug 17, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

if the forbes guy said it; they should have it signed by tomorrow

but alas…

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by asbestos_man on Aug 17, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was excited

For football this year but this CJ thing is bumming me out!

by toysandprojects on Aug 17, 2011 10:45 AM CDT reply actions  

don't let it get to you

it’ll work itself out, and we’ll forget all about it by week 2. Book it.

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by August West on Aug 17, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

How about

bookmarking it and setting a reminder for Sept 18 to revisit? =]

I’d LOVE to look back on all this debate and heave a contented sigh of relief in one month’s time.

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by J.R. Wilco on Aug 17, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry to interject, but I just wanted to ask a question to Titans fans.

As a Carolina fan I’ve always had a lot of respect for our neighbors across the App. mountains, but I’ve been receiving a lot of flak from Titans fans that this predicament is the Panther’s fault. I really hope this isn’t the general concensus from Titan country. Blaming another team for the Titan’s contractual problems is tactless and paints the fanbase in a bad light.

Is that truly how the real fans feel or am I just running into bad apples?

by ppalm on Aug 17, 2011 11:04 AM CDT reply actions  

bad apples

I haven’t picked up on much such sentiment – and the little i have hasn’t been a big deal.

by oilertitan on Aug 17, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

If he was getting a load count like AP or CJ, he's a top 3 back in the league.

However, because we have Stew, we don’t have to run our backs into the ground. I think he got paid properly, and will be sure to demonstrate it to the league once again.

by ppalm on Aug 17, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you mean...

If he was getting a load count could stay healthy like AP or CJ, he’s a top 3 back in the league.

by SuperHorn on Aug 17, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Last year's IR was about preservation, not health

He was out for 3/4 of the season with a sprained foot. He could have come back mid-season but we IR’ed him instead.

by ppalm on Aug 17, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

How is removing someone from the lineup because of a sprained foot not about health?

The guy had one excellent year in 2008. It was impressive, no doubt.

Since then, he hasn’t played a full season. Even if it is about “preservation”, that still indicates that the FO doesn’t believe he’s capable of handling the physical demands of the position, despite the fact that he only carries half of a “feature” back load.

Until he puts together another complete season, he’s just a less explosive Jamaal Charles with injury issues.

by SuperHorn on Aug 17, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

a less explosive Jamaal Charles with injury issues

Handing out the high praise once again, eh? =]

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by J.R. Wilco on Aug 17, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I beleave

The Titans FO should have delt with this at the end of last year!
Havent heard anything about blaming it on the panthers! Go Titans 2011

by toysandprojects on Aug 17, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

remember this small impediment called the lockout

and the lack of a CBA

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by asbestos_man on Aug 17, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

They basically couldn't

the post-CBA rules prevented giving guys more than a 30% raise for that year. A few teams found shady ways to get around it, but it required some screwy math. The basic idea was that since last season operated w/o a salary cap, the post-CBA rules prevented the ultra-rich owners from spending crazy money on a bunch of one year deals.

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by August West on Aug 17, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

This was going to be an issue either way

I don’t see any reason to blame the Panthers front office.

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by asbestos_man on Aug 17, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

me either

it’s dumb and useless.

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by August West on Aug 17, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unless someone wants to sign CJ to his preferred deal

and then have MCM trolled by Vikings fans next year when AP holds out.

But who would want that?

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by J.R. Wilco on Aug 17, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fans!

Wow, the Titans’ fans are actually getting a little love it… in the top 10 for the most “rabid” fans. Way to go!!! http://www.thepostgame.com/features/201108/which-nfl-teams-have-most-rabid-fans

by KidAbbott on Aug 17, 2011 11:23 AM CDT reply actions  

I can't get behind the "Pay CJ" movement

For all the reasons expressed about the long term viability of star running backs, and their dependence on the O-line, but mainly because of the distinct possibility that his 2009 season is an outlier. Last year’s stats more closely resembled his first year, which while very good, aren’t worth committing that much guaranteed money.

While I accept that CJ is a special player and and special type of RB it’s precisely these things that make him somewhat flawed and make investing so much money in him a massive risk. How many times last year did he pass up a solid 3-4 yard gain tiptoeing behind the line trying to find a hole to break off a big run? He went over 100 yards in eight games last year, but in the other eight he didn’t break 70. I don’t know if this is more a flaw of the line or CJ’s flaw, but it raises the issue of what happens to him if he doesn’t have a good line, and what happens to him if his breakaway speed goes. I would rather see the money invested in building a dominant O-line that put the money in one player and hope he can hit a home run every game.

This year is a rebuilding year. If he sits out for the year and saves a year of wear and tear on his body so be it. If it gives an opportunity for Ringer, et. al. to get more carries so be it. It would be a good test to see how much added value a star running back really brings. Now is not the time to go to down the road of salary cap hell. This is not a knock on CJ but the front office needs to accurately evaluate his future potential rather than just reward past performance and put an exciting player in front of the fans.

by Reg Dunlop on Aug 17, 2011 11:25 AM CDT reply actions  

His bad year was 1364 yards.

Not working this deal out is akin to trying run a marathon after you shoot yourself in the foot. Having CJ on the field even made VY and fossils like Kerry Collins look like a semi decent QBs. Nobody ever gets better sitting out a year and while everyone expects this to be an up and down season, the single best way to guarantee that is to keep your best player sitting at home on the couch. We talk about it every day how exciting this team could be if certain individuals show up and that list starts with CJ.

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by asbestos_man on Aug 17, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

1364 yards

with a revamped O-line and ZERO production at QB. I mean not just poor production, but ZERO. getting 1,300 yards on that team and for that clusterfuck of a coaching staff was just as impressive as his 2,000 yard season, IMO.

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by August West on Aug 17, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which makes me mad

whenever I hear the talking heads rip him for last year and call it a drop off.

The entire team was in a tailspin, and every defense he saw was selling out to stop him, and he still ran for 1300 yards. How is that not incredibly impressive?

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by J.R. Wilco on Aug 17, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

1364 yards???

Trade him, he’s terrible.. we don’t need a one of a kind talent on RB anyways… we have Pey…. wait no we have To…. wait no…. but we do at LEAST have Dre…. yeah, we got Matt Haeselbeck… who’s best years were when he had Sean Alexa…. we look screwed without this deal don’t we

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by Grimerz757 on Aug 17, 2011 2:05 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

That's not exactly true.

By the end of the year, the QB position became a mess, but we were pretty solid at QB up until the end of the Washington game. In fact, by PFF’s latest metrics, Vince was the #3 rated QB in the league on a per play basis.

Comparison of 10 games w/stability at QB vs. 6 games w/o

10 with QB:
62% of games (10/16)
71% of Yards (968/1364)
81% of TDs (9/11)
68% of Carries (216/336)
4.48 YPC with QB vs. 3.96 YPC w/o QB

Obviously, you can back into the other numbers in the final 6 weeks of the season.

The lion’s share of his production came at the beginning of the season before things came unwound. Of course, he also had more touches, so that’s going to skew numbers a little, but consider that the touches were also
a) More productive
and
b) A by-product of the teams ability to sustain drives

There were constant rumblings of Vince being a borderline top 10 QB through the first 8 games of the season on this blog. Obviously, the mess he left has skewed our perception, and for good reason. Still, that doesn’t change what happened. We were excellent in the vertical passing game and that allowed more space for CJ to operate. Conversely, when Vince went nuts, and Kerry hurt his hand, that threat no longer existed. As a result, CJ’s production tapered at the end of the year.

by SuperHorn on Aug 17, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

"There were constant rumblings of Vince being a borderline top 10 QB through the first 8 games of the season on this blog."

Alas, 8 games does not a top 10 QB make… CJ still had several good games after VY quit on the team, and the entire season he was running behind a weaker O-line than we’d run out there in years.

Either way, while CJ looked a little slower after his thigh injury last year, he was still one of the best in the game. If Mikey can get this deal done and get CJ into camp, I’m betting he bounces right back to his 1,500 yard form with no problem.

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by August West on Aug 17, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

i dont think it was slow

But after we lost Vince AND Kerry we had very little to disguise we’re giving it to the best back in football. I mean we had nothing… Velociraffe couldn’t complete a TD pass to Randy Moss. But CJ still gained some yards… now is the time to dare teams to challenge the run and rape their defense… and we need CJ to do this at our peak

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by Grimerz757 on Aug 17, 2011 3:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

there were definately a few times last year when CJ

didn’t run away from everyone like he has before. I think it was an aberration, but it definitely happened a couple of times.

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by August West on Aug 17, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just my thoughts, but...
Velociraffe couldn’t complete a TD pass to Randy Moss.

In velociraffe’s defense, I believe Randy half-assed that potential TD pass. I thought it when it happened and I believe it more after Randy’s retirement, the NFL Network were discussing his HOF status and talking about how many plays he half-assed or quit on. That play was among the group of other plays they showed him quitting on.

But that’s neither here nor there, we no longer have to worry about either. We have SkyLocker and Britt.

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by J3G77 on Aug 17, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

1,500 is a lot to expect

In the past four seasons there have only been 5 1,500 seasons. I think 1,200-1,400 is a reasonable expectation. That would put CJ in the top 5 RB’s but it wouldn’t make him #1 and it wouldn’t justify paying him significantly more that what the top five guys are getting. A $21-24 million guarantee is very reasonable and justifies the production you can expect. Anything more a you’re hoping that CJ has multiple 1,500 yard season which history shows are rarely repeatable.

by Reg Dunlop on Aug 17, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

He got 1,300 with no Qb play or O-line help and an injured thigh

for the last 6 weeks of the season last year. 1,500 is completely reasonable for CJ, even if it isn’t for any other RB.

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by August West on Aug 17, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

We're in agreement. He's one of the best in the game. Actually, I think he is the best back in the league.

It was just a minor quibble with:

ZERO production at QB.
The reality was that the QB position was solid for half the season. Yes, a half a season doesn’t make a QB. This isn’t me supporting Vince, only pointing that that CJ did, in fact, have the benefit of competent QB play for half a season, and that is reflected in his statistics.

by SuperHorn on Aug 17, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed, I over stated

jesus the second half of last year sucked so badly…

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by August West on Aug 17, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was horrible across the board.

The good news is that CJ doesn’t need elite QB play to be productive. He just needs it to be average.

Hasselbeck should be able to provide adequate efficiency to take some of the focus off CJ.

by SuperHorn on Aug 17, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

^ this

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by August West on Aug 17, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hasselbeck

Let me start by saying I have no problem with the Hasselbeck signing and letting him mentor and buy time for Locker. But, in the past two seasons Hasselbeck has thrown for approximately 3,000 yds each year, 17, and 12 TD’s respectively, and 17 Int’s each year. That’s fewer yards, fewer TD’s, and more Int’s than Titans QB’s combine. At 60% his completion percentage has been slightly higher than Titans QB’s but it’s still bottom third of the league.

If he stays healthy he probably brings stability for the season (though I wouldn’t rule out Locker getting reps if the Titans are out of it) but not much else and statistically he is a wash (maybe even a downgrade based on Int %)

At best he is a placeholder for Locker who you hope can recapture some of his great years. He is unlikely to fool other defenses into not focusing on CJ

by Reg Dunlop on Aug 17, 2011 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am not going to make it out that Hasselbeck is a great QB

But he was not exactly surrounded by great offensive talent in Seattle the last couple of years…

Remember, the Seahawks best receiving threat last year was Mike Williams…a WR that the TITANS CUT!! That’s how poor the Seahawks receiving corps was…and their offensive line and running game was just as bad.

So, Hasselbeck is now surrounded by much better talent (I know, it’s hard to believe for the Titans but there are worse offensive teams out there).

by shawneriksmith on Aug 17, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

More exciting, yes!

Winning, no. And that would be the great failure of simply giving in and giving CJ the deal he wants. In the short term it keeps the team exciting and more relevant. In the long term it could hamstring the organization if too much money is locked up in one player, and his production declines. With all the evidence that suggests that rushing is O-line dependent, that the shelf of RB’s is limited, and with the success of running games that split carries between two and three backs, having a great back is a luxury more than a necessity. I would love to see CJ extended but on a deal that makes sense for the team and not just to appease the fans.

by Reg Dunlop on Aug 17, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

on a 5 year deal

the salary cap should be a lot higher by the time CJ’s deal gets expensive, and he’d still be under 30. CJ isn’t going to get Peyton money, but he should get more than any other RB in the league. It’s a negotiation, you don’t publicly advertise what you expect before the team has even bothered to send a real offer.

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by August West on Aug 17, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Bironas is going to start sucking

we just need to actually score TDs!

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by rothbard on Aug 17, 2011 1:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Its crazy enough it just might work

Raise a glass to the end of Fisherball

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by CrazyTitan on Aug 17, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you saying

that we SHOULDN’T play for the safe field goal, even if it’s not safe?

I’m not sure what to say about that.

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by J.R. Wilco on Aug 17, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

HEY 8 FG'S A GAME IS A STAPLE IN TN

and it provides exciting football, they need to outlaw the touchdown altogether (EPIC SARCASM!!!)

Collins gave us the best chance to win ma ballz

by Grimerz757 on Aug 17, 2011 2:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

lmfao

I like defensive struggles too, but that game… gas two touchdowns and 3 field goals in it alone… we as a franchise won a game… with the kicker scoring 24 points.. excluding extra points… Wtf… touchdowns win… FG keep it competitive… which is better for me the fan, up until we lose every game by 3 and then get trounced in epic proportions in the snow.. we should be playing our offense better than we have In the past… cuz on paper we’re so much better

Collins gave us the best chance to win ma ballz

by Grimerz757 on Aug 17, 2011 2:15 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

that was the old MO

defense get good field postion.
1st down-run
2nd down-run
3rd down- PA pass to rb/te in flat. pray for 1st down to kill more time.
4th down-punt if in lead. go for it down by 14 with a min left in the game.

its gonna be refreshing to actually see a passing game this year.

by asian phil on Aug 17, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

we had some talent in our wrs for a while

Why were we so damned stubborn to run the ball 98 times out of 100 I’ll never know

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by Grimerz757 on Aug 17, 2011 2:29 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Too risky.

I’ll punt to Peyton Manning.

by SuperHorn on Aug 17, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

question: Chris Johnson helps a quarterback succeed by just being on the field. yes or no?

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by danielreese05 on Aug 17, 2011 4:16 PM CDT reply actions  

or we just cut Haye, Hope, Fuller, Gage or Washington. most combinations of those three and look, cap space abound!

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by danielreese05 on Aug 17, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

... and the offensive line.

plus re-fire Jeff Fisher, just for kicks.

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by StPrattrick on Aug 17, 2011 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wash your mouth out with soap

There’s just no reason for language like that on a Titans site.

Thor would be ashamed.

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by J.R. Wilco on Aug 17, 2011 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes

he HELPS a quarterback succeed, but he can’t make a crap QB good. Jim Brown with the best O-line in the world couldn’t make Rusty Smith into a Pro Bowler

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by August West on Aug 17, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

good thing Rusty’s not part of the long-term plan.

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by danielreese05 on Aug 17, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

You just blew all of my expectations for this year

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by J.R. Wilco on Aug 17, 2011 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Guarantee CJ

The Titans have a history of not paying players. We’ve got the best rb in football right now and they don’t want to give him the money he has earned! Some say only 1300+ yards isn’t worth top pay. I disagree: when cj is on the field, he makes the opponent have to think about what we will do. Guarantee cj they money he has worked for!!

by tit@nsrule on Aug 17, 2011 5:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Actually, he's already been paid everything he earned

The situation is one of future earnings and what they will be.

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by rothbard on Aug 17, 2011 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

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