Michael Griffin's Issues Were The Egg, Bad Coaching Was The Chicken
by August West on Jun 13, 2011 2:50 PM CDT
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We've been holding for a few days on posting about this article by Paul Kuharsky on the enigma that is Michael Griffin until Britt stayed out of trouble long enough to give this thing the attention it deserves. I feel pretty comfortable in asserting that Paul K's ESPN AFC South blog is the only corner of the internet that's dedicated more time and effort to trying to figure out just what the hell is up with Griffin's erratic play over the past three years. Paul's been a major source of insight to what's behind those struggles over the years, so it's easy to consider this post as the latest peak behind the curtain into what was going on with Griff, and the dysfunction around the Titans' locker room as Fisher's tenure ground to a halt.
Back in 2008 Griffin established himself as one of the premier safeties in the NFL. He played center field a lot, which allowed him to ballhawk and make plays while the action stayed in front of him. In 2009 he was damned near Lamont Thompson bad. There were injuries involved in that backslide, and a lot of vaguely hinted at issues involving his son that distracted Griffin from football. 2010 was a tale of two seasons, just like it was for the rest of the team. He started out pretty strong, but crashed over the last half of the season. That decline was epitomized by a series of plays where Griffin got killed on play fakes because he was taking false steps towards the line. The real questions that raises are: Why did the staff start moving Griffin into a more SS role where he attacked the box, and can Jerry Gray save his career?
First, two quotes from the article. This first one says everything we knew was going on over the last half of last season:
"There was a lot going on behind the scenes. It was kind of good that there was a change. I think it was a change for the best. With a lot of the things that made headlines, you could just see where this team was. We were all on different pages, and it started from the coaches on down."
Shocking, no?
Here's one of Michael's most pointed comments about the breakdown in coaching ever since Jim Schwartz left for Detroit:
"If I know this guy right here can get to the quarterback on passing downs, get him in the game and get him to the quarterback. If I know this guy is a great run-stopper, play this guy on run-downs. I am not telling coaches how to do their job, but those are my examples. Compared to how we played two years ago when we were one of the top secondaries and doing a great job and had three Pro Bowlers, we were just never put in those same positions."
So, can Jerry Gray put Griffin in the position to make good plays? Over his years as a DC and secondary coach Gray has gotten great years out of veteran safeties like Troy Vincent, Lawyer Milloy, LaRon Landry and the late Sean Taylor. Among those guys are a lot of different skill sets and variables in athleticism. Honestly, Griffin might be the second-most physically gifted player out of that group (Sean Taylor might be the best athlete I've ever seen at the FS position; he wasn't as heady as Ed Reed, but he was bigger and just as fast).
The biggest thing Griffin needs to succeed is what every safety needs: pressure on the QB. With a front seven that disrupts the timing of plays and the flow the OC wants to establish. The coaching staff knows that, and Gray has a lot more experience at generating that pressure than Chuck Cecil had. Hopefully the combination of a more mature Griffin, with a better handle on his personal life, combined with better coaching will get Griffin back to the top of the hill of the free safety rankings in the entire NFL.
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This part of the article pretty much says it all:
"There was just too much finger-pointing instead of us all saying, ‘Let’s sit down and let’s resolve it’," Griffin said. "There was just too much going on and we were divided …
In any sport, when these type of questions/actions start happening you know a coach has lost a team.
Still waiting for that Tell-All book from last season Mr. Ron Burgundy…
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by ronburgundy7427 on Jun 13, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
sigh…I miss Sean Taylor so damn much.
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Jun 13, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
What drives me crazy is that last year's team was actually a good team.
But there were a couple of individuals, coaches and players, who derailed the whole enterprise. Ugh.
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1 is easy to answer
He spent too much time as a deep safety playing like ass. It started in 2009 and continued in 10. If I had to pick a turning point for the SS move, it’d be the Miles Austin TD where he was playing deep half (maybe bracket) over Mouton, went for the INT, and whiffed. At this point, it’s just “screw it, he’s too much of a liability back there, Hope will get beat and make some mistakes, but not that one.”
by NewsToTom on Jun 13, 2011 3:10 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Chuck Cecil was a bad hire for DC.
Looking back now it’s easy to fault Fisher for being delusional to the point that he thought Cecil could seamlessly replace Schwartz. Cecil looked the part (and I always be thankful for his hand gesture during the Broncos game… made me laugh so hard) but he was in way, way over his head. I’m sure the lack of in-game adjustments are just the tip of the iceberg.
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by BythePowerofMunchak! on Jun 13, 2011 8:17 PM CDT reply actions
I realize
I realize I’m going to get blasted for this..
But comments like this are just driving me NUTS.. It’s why I don’t post much anymore because it’s so unrealistic right now!
Though I fully agree with what you said BTPOM about Cecil, He was way over his head! But what do you think a First time Coach, NEVER been a Coordinator might be when the season starts?
Your comments about Cecil also need to be heeded for the current staff!
We have the makings for what could very well end up being the worst team in the League. Odds are that things are going to go bad..
1. First time coach
2. D-coordinator who’s trouted for really nothing
3. O-coordinated who’s track record with Rookie QB’s blows, Been there done that Head coach
4. Hang over from last years split – Let me go into detail a bit more. there are still players on this team who were part of the locker room split, who now with a rookie head coach just might very well think they can walk over him
5. An owner who isn’t going to wait around for his First time Head coach to take his licks
6. Potentially contract issues with the Star Player
7. Off field legal problems with the Best WR
8. Free agents? Forget about it – Team never over pays and First time coach with a team expected NOT to compete
9. Rookie QB – No Vet QB other than Collins – Sorry.. why would palmer who’s got years left, Hasslebeck want to come here? McNabb? Really? Just a mobile collins
10. LOCKOUT! The new staff has no time to do any work. So that means there is a Chance for a horrible start to the season, which could lead to the players NOT buying into the coaches because of the bad start.
I’m sorry I got side tracked.
Point being lots of people thing Munchak is going to turn this around.. In order for him to do that hosue needs to be cleaned.. Meaning Many of the current players need to go.. MANY!! Munchak may very well one day be a great coach, but right now he is setup for failure
by white02slpss on Jun 14, 2011 2:39 AM CDT up reply actions
you should post more often so you don't feel like you'll get blasted for saying something and....
…..I’m not sure why my comment and those like it are driving you nuts, but then again you didn’t actually explain why you’re upset with it.
But comments like this are just driving me NUTS.. It’s why I don’t post much anymore because it’s so unrealistic right now!
My comment had nothing to do with the future of the Titans or my expectations for Mike Munchak and I don’t feel like any of what I said is unrealistic.
Chuck Cecil is a well liked person from all accounts that I have come across. But he took a top 10 defense and under his coaching it fell to a bottom 10 squad. And then the proceeding year I watched his defense make the same mistakes over and over. the same short comings we had in ‘09 were not being dealt with, and then I read things about Cecil’s lack of in-game adjustments. He wasn’t suited for the job and he probably wasn’t set up very well by Fisher.
I’m not expecting 10 wins this year, not even 6. But I do expect to see something different than the piss poor defensive performances of the past 2 years…. even if it’s just a different looking piss poor performance. I’m not a football coach. I’m a football fan that likes to be entertained by the thought that my team is pushing themselves to get better and provide their supporters with the best product available.
I think the majority of bloggers and blogees here are fully aware that the Titans are not going to be a contending team for a few years. That doesn’t mean that several areas of this franchise cannot improve along the way. We have the chance of having a head coach and a franchise QB that have a close working relationship for the first time in many years. We have different mindsets and different attitudes that have a chance of bringing the Titans fanbase a lot closer to the organization.
“Having hope” is a lot different than “having expectations.”
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by BythePowerofMunchak! on Jun 14, 2011 5:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Team never overpays?
David Givens – overpaid
Nate Washington – overpaid
Justin Gage – overpaid
Should I go on?
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on the overpaid concept
usually the market itself dictates the price of FA signings.
If the player is being targeted by more than one team, usually you have to pay a higher price to get him. That means the player probably got paid what the market dictated for him (Haynesworth cases are exceptions).
So let´s say you think Washington is worth a $5 mil/year contract, but there are 3 teams wanting him at that price. If you pay $5,1 mil/year to sign the player, did you overpay??
totally off topic.. just thought i should ask..
I agree with you.
I just hate the whole “The Titans are cheap/don’t pay free agents” meme that keeps popping up.
We pay free agents. It’s our choosing of the free agents that people should be questioning.
But I say you never know if you are overpaying a player until after the fact.
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yeah
that´s why it´s difficult to blame the FO for some FAs they sign.
and why it´s so easy to blame them for extensions such as Gage´s.
by criollo_pcg on Jun 14, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
After the fact...
it’s clear to see now that CJ is clearly being underpaid.
by DoofusOfErasmus on Jun 14, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Better underpaid than overpaid
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Garbage
To start, Randomly capitalizing Words throughout your sentences Does not make Your post any more intelligent.
1. First time coach
Oh noes! Every head coach at some point must be a “first time head coach”. Big whoop. It’s not like they hired some guy off an internet forum. Munchak has been a coach for a long ass time, and been involved in professional football for even longer. No different than any other first timer.
2. D-coordinator who’s trouted for really nothing
I prefer tuna, but anyways. Nothing, except put out a solid secondary when he was with TN, and field a respectable defense in Buffalo. But he has been a coordinator before, so surely it should be ok, since “first time” is a major concern, no?
3. O-coordinated who’s track record with Rookie QB’s blows, Been there done that Head coach
Palmer does not have a good record with rookie QBs. Good to know. I will keep this in mind when I am looking to hire someone for my 1v11, QB v Defense league. Go ahead and feel confident in your doom and gloom, as long as you believe the state of TN’s offensive line is equivalent to expansion Houston, or expansion Cleveland. “Been there done that Head coach”…. wtf does that have to do with rookie QBs? Aren’t we talking about OC?
4. Hang over from last years split – Let me go into detail a bit more. there are still players on this team who were part of the locker room split, who now with a rookie head coach just might very well think they can walk over him
You said it, so it must be true. Please be so kind as to detail who exactly these players might be, and what evidence you have for said attitude. Kthx.
5. An owner who isn’t going to wait around for his First time Head coach to take his licks
False. See: Jeff Fisher.
6. Potentially contract issues with the Star Player
Meh
7. Off field legal problems with the Best WR
KB has always been a dumbass. He will always be a dumbass. This is not news. Next.
8. Free agents? Forget about it – Team never over pays and First time coach with a team expected NOT to compete
1. See gramsey
2. “Overpay” = pay someone more than what they are “worth”. Connotation = bad thing to do. So please explain why it is a bad thing if TN, in your words, never overpays?
9. Rookie QB – No Vet QB other than Collins – Sorry.. why would palmer who’s got years left, Hasslebeck want to come here? McNabb? Really? Just a mobile collins
Colllins isn’t on the team. Rusty is technically a vet QB. Just like “first time head coach”, every QB must at one point be a rookie QB. So what?
10. LOCKOUT! The new staff has no time to do any work. So that means there is a Chance for a horrible start to the season, which could lead to the players NOT buying into the coaches because of the bad start.
This might be your only decent point. Lockout is bad news considering the almost total turnover in the coaching staff. This is a given, and not necessarily a great new insight
I’m sorry I got side tracked.
It’s ok.
Point being lots of people thing Munchak is going to turn this around.. In order for him to do that hosue needs to be cleaned.. Meaning Many of the current players need to go.. MANY!!
Which ones? You are already wailing about the sky falling because of new coaches, so how does all new coaches + all new players make things better?
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I tend to disagree with you. But...
You completely tore apart his arguments with good logic. Props
It's all fun and games until someone gets a concussion from a stray flying footbal. *cough* Kerry *cough*
by MikeGriffFan27 on Jun 14, 2011 10:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
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Oh noes! Every head coach at some point must be a "first time head coach". Big whoop. It’s not like they hired some guy off an internet forum. Munchak has been a coach for a long ass time, and been involved in professional football for even longer. No different than any other first timer.
It’s at least worth noting that most first time head coaches have coordinator experience. That doesn’t doom Munchak, but it certainly raises an eyebrow.
Go ahead and feel confident in your doom and gloom, as long as you believe the state of TN’s offensive line is equivalent to expansion Houston, or expansion Cleveland. "Been there done that Head coach"…. wtf does that have to do with rookie QBs? Aren’t we talking about OC?I should probably save this for a separate post, but Pro Football Focus has recently been looking at offensive line play. In examining guards and centers, Amano is the second worst in the entire league (no shocker there), and Harris is one of the worst at his position as well. David Stewart is solid, but Roos ends up middle of the pack among Tackles. All in all, PFF ranks us at the 15th best pass blocking team in the league. That’s not Houston/Cleveland bad, but it isn’t elite (at least according to PFF) as many would lead us to believe.
Munchak seems to believe we are set with the line we have and no immediate changes are needed...
I think you posted about this before, does that mean they maybe they aren’t as bad (Amano is still a horrible center) as the number say and it had a lot to do with the plays being called last year?
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by StPrattrick on Jun 14, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
PFF's metrics aren't just about the O-Line.
It’s about RB’s and TE’s as well, which provided virtually no assistance for us. CJ has to get better at blocking/blitz pickup if he’s going to be an all purpose back.
Conversely, Football Outsider’s has us ranked at 9th last year in pass blocking. Their metrics appear to be very heavily weighted on sack %, which has just as much to do with the QB as it does the O-line (Pittsburgh is consistently ranked low in their ratings). The damning thing is that we ranked 31st in run blocking last year. Our interior line blocking must get better in both the run/pass game.
To your specific question, things can be improved simply by changing playcalling philosophy and getting their skill position players in a position to maximize their talents. Still the fundamentals need to be in place, and they weren’t last year at the C/G positions.
I think CJ would be better served to roll out and provide a quick screen pass option for the QB.
I know he does have to block, but since you mentioned that the skill position players should have their talents maximized.. Based on his skill set, he should have been a lot more involved in the passing game, IMO.
by criollo_pcg on Jun 14, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
*Totally agree with this
but he still needs to improve on blocking, but when he’s squaring up against a LB or DE he most certainly is at a disadvantage.
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by StPrattrick on Jun 14, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
no doubt he needs to improve
but he´s not gonna solve the blitz pickup problem by himself (IMO he wasn´t that bad anyway). I think he can be more serviceable providing an escape route to the QB.
i´m not sure if it´s the right RB, but i remeber a couple of seasons when Charlie Garner was catching 8 passes a game for the 49ers and later the Raiders.
Always thought CJ could be that kind of a weapon.
by criollo_pcg on Jun 14, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Wasn't The Nameless horrid at throwing screen passes?
possibly why this wasn’t used as more of an option.
Bottom line we were a mess last year. Absolutely mess on both sides of the ball. “Everyone else was playing chess while we were playing checkers” as was said after last season. If any one player particularly shined last season that is telling me they were probably working X10 times harder to get to having a half way decent season.
I give a lot of players a pass on last season – except for Kerry Collins, I blame everything wrong in the world on him.
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by StPrattrick on Jun 14, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Where is CJ level of blocking/blitz pickup?
I definitely saw an improvement last year as apposed to years prior.
And I am not saying nothing is wrong with our O-Line in the least, but Munchak seems to believe we are set at O-Line seeing how that is his specialty, he is definitely seeing something we are not seeing in them.
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by StPrattrick on Jun 14, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Re:
Check out this link from PFF. It ranks pressure given up per play at the skill positions at the bottom of the page.
Two things to note from this article:
1. We rank 30th in the league on pressure given up by skill positions. That’s not all CJ (TE’s and FB’s share this responsibility as well). Still, it doesn’t offer up much encouragement.
2. We rank 7th in the league in QB invited pressures. Put another way, both Kerry and Vince were excellent at getting the ball out on time, and rarely allowed pressures/sacks on their own. Just watching the tape of Locker, this is something he’ll need to work on.
True, and interesting
I know our TE’s aren’t exactly stellar at blocking for anything, Scaife was middle of the road, Steven’s is pretty decent, Cookie is just not good… wasn’t used too much last year and had little room to improve. We are definitely missing Crump’s blocking abilities.
I am actually pretty impressed with Kerry and The Nameless with getting the ball out on time.
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by StPrattrick on Jun 14, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
World ending in 3...2...1...
I am actually pretty impressed with Kerry
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interesting
the titans had the fewest pass plays in the league.
by criollo_pcg on Jun 14, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
not surprising
i’m sure it’s not the first time we’ve been at the bottom of that list
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by BythePowerofMunchak! on Jun 14, 2011 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions
this
To your specific question, things can be improved simply by changing playcalling philosophy and getting their skill position players in a position to maximize their talents. Still the fundamentals need to be in place, and they weren’t last year at the C/G positions.
I would not be surprised to read in some tell-all that for 90% of the plays no one was on the same page.
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and on 50% of those 90%, Amano was the guy on the other page!
by criollo_pcg on Jun 14, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Or everyone was on their own page
Like I said, it is not something that is really knowable, unless someone decides to spill the beans. On so many plays, right after the whistle you just watch the line and they’re all looking at each other like “wtf are you doing?”.
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Ronburgundy himself has been working on a tell all book about last season
hasn’t even been released and it is already a best seller.
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by StPrattrick on Jun 14, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Recent exceptions have turned out well though.
John Harbaugh, Raheem Morris, hell, even Tom Cable managed to go 8-8 with Oakland. Not saying it guarantees success for Munchak, but I think he’s just as well set up to succeed as at least two of those guys, and has way more experience heading into the HC job as any of them.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Jun 14, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
entirely subjective analysis of oline
I definitely agree that the oline is not elite. However, not long ago they were much closer to that title. So what happened? I don’t think we will ever know for sure. But just from watching last year, they seem “off”. The whole damn team did. Calling last years Titans a team is correct but only by technicality. It remains to be seen if all the changes will be enough to reboot the organization.
I’m firmly of the opinion that our problem has been a total lack of mojo. Last season was just the final breaking point.
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by rothbard on Jun 14, 2011 11:05 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
What happened?
For one thing, we lost Kevin Mawae. The clusterf%$* at the center/guard position was the root of our problem last year.
Here’s a direct question: What do you anticipate our record will be next year (assuming a full season)?
Totally off the cuff prediction: 6-12 (w/Locker starting)
Losing Mawae was definitely a big blow, I agree. I just thing there were larger things at work also. Just look at the guys playing. No fire, no “mojo”. Just collecting checks. Of course that’s something that can’t really be proved, but I stand by it. The entire team lacked any kind cohesion. By the final games of the season I got a palatable “let’s just get this over with” feeling watching the Titans play (esp. on offense).
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*Agreed
there were times it felt like we playing a different sport let alone professional football… There were sparks of the team finally pulling it together throughout the season (The Colts game comes to mind… when we DIDN’T F-ING GO FOR IT ON 4th and 1 WITH 1:30 LEFT AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!1) but the coaching staff constantly kept shooting themselves in the foot.
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by StPrattrick on Jun 14, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
i see 7 to 9 wins
we can go 3-3 in the division. And beat the Broncos / Browns / Bengals / Panthers and Bills.
that´s optimistic, but possible..
anyway, that would be my hopes for the season (if a complete season is played).
by criollo_pcg on Jun 14, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
All of you are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay optimistic
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So what your saying G is...
Super Bowl
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by StPrattrick on Jun 14, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Super Bowl!
There will be one!
The Titans will be working on the Draft by then!
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Whilst in the Super Bowl as well
COUNT IT!
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by StPrattrick on Jun 14, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, I agree regarding "mojo".
Still, I think, if I had to pick one event to tie all this to last pre-season, it would be not signing Mawae. In addition to a total meltdown of communication and fundamentals, this team clearly lacked leadership last year. His absence was felt in more ways than just a dropoff in talent.
6-10 seems optimistic to me. Given the lockout, new coaching staff, and Kenny Britt suspension, I’d peg our win total at closer to 4. I would feel a whole lot better about things if this staff actually had some time to install a new offense and defense.
Wow that was REALLY off the cuff,
since I seem to have inadvertently created an 18 game season… 5-11 or 4-12 is revised official guesstimate.
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Re
I won´t go into every point, because rothbard allready went did that.
But I must say that: 1) yes, I know there are many bad signs that point towards the titans having a bad season; 2) no, I won´t lose hope that somehow everything falls into place and we have a winning season.
In reality, every new season brings hope that the team might get better. Specially when the team made several moves the fans wanted (HC, DC, QB,..).
Now, you might think the best thing to do is look at the bad signs and be surprised if anything good happens. I, for one, think it´s best for me as a fan, to hope the team have a great season. So what if the team dissapoints me? It wouldn´t be the 1st or the last time. The emotion rollercoaster is what drives me to watch and care so much about sports. That´s what does it for me. I understand you feeling differently.. but you are not driving me “NUTS” just because you chose to point only the bad things.
We have to look at the the pros and not just the one:
1. We have a brand new coaching staff that can set up for a new start.
2. Vunce will be gone. Possibly Bo Scaife and Donnie Nickey will leave as well.
3. We have CHRIS JOHNSON, and he isn’t focused on a new contract.
4. We have one of the best Special Teams units in the NFL.
5. Jared Cook and Damien Williams
6. Michael Roos and David Stewart
7. Our d-line has the potential to be even better this year.
8. We upgraded all of our positions of greatest need in the draft.
9. ATV is an explosive player, which is what we need.
10. Finnegan is emerging as a leader, which is what we lacked last season.
11. If we do poorly, we have a great draft pick next year.
It's all fun and games until someone gets a concussion from a stray flying footbal. *cough* Kerry *cough*
by MikeGriffFan27 on Jun 14, 2011 10:40 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Edit:
We have to look at the pros and not just the cons:
It's all fun and games until someone gets a concussion from a stray flying footbal. *cough* Kerry *cough*
by MikeGriffFan27 on Jun 14, 2011 11:03 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
which players need to go? out of our core of talent, who would you let go? sounds like you’ve got a problem with Britt who’s not going anywhere, CJ who’s not going anywhere, and Kerry Collins who, let’s get real, probably isn’t going anywhere either. sounds like you want to clean house but…why?
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by danielreese05 on Jun 14, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
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