Tennessee Titans Daily Links: The Plan For Jake Locker Edition
by August West on May 3, 2011 10:57 AM CDT
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Confirming what we've been thinking, the Titans are expected to give Jake Locker some time to get ready before throwing him into the NFL fire. The experience with our last QB should drive home for everyone just how important it is that the team stick with this plan, even if that means next season is a dumpster fire from jump. We didn't draft Locker to win a few games next year, we drafted him to win Super Bowls over the next decade plus. Congrats to Mike Heimerdinger for winning the 2010 Halas Award from the PFWA. The annual award commemorates an NFL individual who overcomes adversity, and I can't think of anyone who struggled through more, and showed more pure grit, than 'Dinger did last year. Jim Wyatt tabs three Titans who are on the hot seat after the draft, including Javon Ringer, Will Witherspoon and any DT not named Jason Jones.
Jurrell Casey and I must have one thing in common: we love some g.d. cheddar biscuits at the Red Lobster. NFP gives the Titans' draft a B-. Joe Theismann will be in Nashville on Thursday to promote screenings for abdominal aortic aneurysm. Chris Simms was in court over his pot charge, and what a shocker: his buddy is trying to take the hit for him. Former Titan CB Reynaldo Hill is taking his talents to the UFL after being the league's second overall draft pick yesterday. TMQB columnist Gregg Easterbrook says the Titans had the best overall draft. Paul K takes a look at the remaining work left for the Titans.
EDSBS has a hilarious parody of Jon Gruden's QB Camp shows on ESPN, this time featuring Gruden grilling the star of the 1924 draft, Orville "Cinders" Hartwell. Steelers RB Rashard Mendenhall revealed himself via Twitter as part of the 25% of the US population who are functionally retarded.
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by MarkusInSaratoga on May 3, 2011 11:04 AM CDT reply actions
Those biscuits are the shiz
Who needs dinner just keep bringing em
by SouthTexasTitan on May 3, 2011 11:05 AM CDT reply actions
fer serial
I mean I don’t even think of seafood when I hear ‘Red Lobster’, just cheddar biscuits.
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My brother and I hate seafood
And we go there with our parents and eat awful chicken tenders just to get the cheese biscuits
This team needs a little bit of Luck, heres to 2012
by z24lax on May 3, 2011 11:19 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Apparently they have chicken tenders too
by SouthTexasTitan on May 3, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Chicken of the sea?
Official MCM Hater!
A picture of Jake Locker in a Titan jersey?
"My iPod background now. Replaced the girlfriend. She won't be mad."
Hate seafood?
Official MCM Hater!
A picture of Jake Locker in a Titan jersey?
"My iPod background now. Replaced the girlfriend. She won't be mad."
I really want me some cheese biscuits now.
NFL Network "The Oiler/Titans franchise just doesn't seem to be destined for anything great."
Ever day that sounds closer to the truth.
Those motherfuckers are the bomb
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A picture of Jake Locker in a Titan jersey?
"My iPod background now. Replaced the girlfriend. She won't be mad."
Them biscuits are the best thing about that place…
… the workers there know better than to let me go home without some for the road.
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
by steeler-hater on May 3, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope Casey does well
Mostly because I love his nickname “Tut-Tut”
Also I think the phrase “Tut-Tut-Sackkkkkkkkkk!” would be a sweet addition to Mike Keiths arsenal.
CJ2K KNOWS
his nickname is also
meatball!
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on May 3, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
August! You just cursed us for all eternity now that you insulted a player on God's favourite team!
Seriously though, between the rapist QB and the conspiracy theorist RB, if you’re a Steeler fan you’ve got to be pretty embarrassed by the actions and comments of your starting backfield.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 11:09 AM CDT reply actions
I think admitting that you are a Steelers fan in general
is embarrassing enough…
Wycheck on Locker: he is Steve McNair like.
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I thought the Cowboys were God's team?
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by ronburgundy7427 on May 3, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
i forgot about him
he was like a fad.
he went outta style went Duslin came
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yeah the way Mendenhall's brain works
The government is out to Roethlisberger him
by SouthTexasTitan on May 3, 2011 11:16 AM CDT reply actions
Of course…
… the government always sets up their illegal, covert sting operations in bathroom stalls…
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
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by steeler-hater on May 3, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
read the Wyatt article
on who is safe and who is not. Why is ‘Spoon on the hot seat? IMO he was the best of the 3! At least he had SOME production, albeit sporadic. I actually would love to see him at MLB with Ayers and McRath, assumning he improves, on the outside. Also, I’d like to see where Rennie ends up cometing for a spot. He is about the same same size as Tully. And I also see Haye as going buh-bye, unless they choose to keep him as a backup DE.
I am still curious what the plans are at QB. I’ve said it before, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Locker start day 1, with KC backing up at 2 and Rusty as the 3. There is enough talent on the O to relieve him of some pressure, and I trust Munch when he believes the OL can be significantly better than they played with the same personel. They should just offer KC a #2 QB / #2 QB coach position.
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by MarkusInSaratoga on May 3, 2011 11:35 AM CDT reply actions
You think Spoon was the best?
He showed flashes as a pass rusher in the first couple of weeks, but then he just disappeared, to me. A 4-3 OLB needs to do more than come up with a few sacks. He couldn’t cover a soul.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on May 3, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
How much of that was Spoon's fault?
and how much of that was players having to play outside their position for the unit as a whole sucking, is what I want to know
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He said he was the best out of the three.
None of them were above average but Will was the best out of the three. I agree.
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by RhiNo6705 on May 3, 2011 1:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think Tully was pretty easily the best out of the 3 just based on production.
Not that he could cover a soul, either.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on May 3, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I still
have nightmarish visions of Tully trailing 3 yards behind any TE he covered, crossing over the middle, 5 yard pass complete, 10 yard gain, 1st down…..ugh.
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by MarkusInSaratoga on May 3, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
So what should be the goal for holding out Locker?
I think we should hold off at all costs for at least 10 games, and then depending on the results, decide then to play him or not.
In Reinfeldt We Trust
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 11:37 AM CDT reply actions
Yeah 10+ games
I would like to see him in by the end of the season. I understand holding him out for the entire season… but he’s got to get his feet wet sometime and not just in the pre season.
Wycheck on Locker: he is Steve McNair like.
all in. game over. let’s f-ing do this. - by danielreese05
The only reason I'm against holding him off the whole season,
is that we need to at least have an idea of where he’s headed, especially if we’re in the Andrew Luck Sweepstakes.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
If we're in the running for Luck (and I hope we aren't), I imagine an auction of that pick would happen.
Whoever offers the most compensation gets the pick.
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by ronburgundy7427 on May 3, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I think it would be really risky to pass on Andrew Luck.
If we hold that pick, I’d select him anyways and then just see how it goes.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I know WE would select Luck
but do you really think the FO would a year after spending a first round pick on a QB?
Wycheck on Locker: he is Steve McNair like.
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they would trade that pick in a heartbeat
Unless we find out that somehow locker is worse than rusty smith
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by rothbard on May 4, 2011 11:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Even after taking a Top 10 QB the year before?
At least with Carolina, it was a second-round QB they had picked the year before. Luck is going number one overall, that’s a lot of money to invest in two guys at the same position.
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by ronburgundy7427 on May 3, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
The QB position is too important to screw up. We can't let pride or stubbornness get in the way of selecting Luck.
At worst you could deal Locker.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps.
I don’t see it happening, and I think our floor is higher than other teams so hopefully we won’t be in that situation. I’d hate to be Reinfeldt then.
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by ronburgundy7427 on May 3, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
It would be a helluva decision to make.
I think this team can get 5-6 wins and stay far away from that pick hopefully.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
If Tennessee can get Luck next year then they need to keep him…
… and then try to trade Locker.
Unless Locker becomes the kind of QB everyone thought he was gonna be back at the time of the 2010 draft, you keep the guy who nearly everyone is saying is gonna be a lock to be the next great NFL QB…
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by steeler-hater on May 3, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
haha I like how we are already talking about dealing our first round QB
A) assuming he has a chance to play this year
B) assuming he does sooooo terrible that the FO immediately regrets their decision on him and pulls the plug in epic fashion.
C) assuming we suck so bad with a promising defense and offense lead by one of the best running backs to walk on the field…
After that being said, No. Just no.
Wycheck on Locker: he is Steve McNair like.
all in. game over. let’s f-ing do this. - by danielreese05
It’s just speculation…
… besides most everyone who’s last name ain’t “Locker” will tell you that Andrew Luck is more talented and will probably have a better NFL career.
If the Titans wind up with the 1st pick next April and Luck is still considered a lock as the next superstar NFL QB, Tennessee would be nuts not to draft him…
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
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by steeler-hater on May 3, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Tim Couch
was a sure-fire, can’t miss guy. Future HOFer coming out of college. Who’s lawn is he mowing now?
Develop/play Locker. He will get better as time goes by anyway. I’ll be happy watching someone else suck for Luck. And what happens if Luck has a sub-par season, a la Locker? In ’10 draft Locker was a consensus #1 overall pick. Now we got him at 8 and I think he fits perfectly into our offense.
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by MarkusInSaratoga on May 3, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
I am pretty happy and confident we are going to be just fine. Also, who knows what is going to happen to Luck over the next year… in no way would I be wanting to put all our eggs in one basket for any QB coming into the draft next year
Wycheck on Locker: he is Steve McNair like.
all in. game over. let’s f-ing do this. - by danielreese05
Another reason Tennessee “may” take Andrew Luck is…
… his dad was drafted by and played for the Oiler franchise back in the mid-1980s.
Bud Adams likes stuff like that…
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by steeler-hater on May 4, 2011 6:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I’d be happy just to have…
the lockout be over…
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by steeler-hater on May 3, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I say don't make a plan
but rather see how the guy progresses with learning the playbook and how he looks in camp. If he’s good to go, play him. If not, don’t. Bradford, Stafford, Ryan, & Freeman all played well as rookies. And here Locker will have more weapons at his disposal.
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by MarkusInSaratoga on May 3, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
This is true
Just see how he progresses throughout the season. I am pretty confident saying Locker without throwing an NFL pass, is currently the best QB on our roster by far. It all really depends on when he is ready to be deployed.
Wycheck on Locker: he is Steve McNair like.
all in. game over. let’s f-ing do this. - by danielreese05
weellllllll.......
Locker is the 2nd best QB on our roster, soon to to be the best once FA starts. wink wink nudge nudge
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by MarkusInSaratoga on May 3, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Find a legitimate QB (read: Palmer or McNabb), not just some stop gap, game manager.
We want a guy that is capable of winning games on his own at times, and that can help us get to 8+ wins. The last thing we want is a situation where Locker is forced into the game.
I really believe the best thing for Locker is to sit for 2 years. He is at the same time the most athletically gifted prospect in the draft and the rawest talent. If he’s mentored and protected the right way, he could be special, but I think that subjecting him to a season of a ~50% completion percentage and 1:2 TD/INT ratio could lead the fans to turn on him ala Jimmy Clausen. Nothing good comes of that.
He was horrific.
Coaching staff and fans gave up on him after one year, basically throwing down final judgement for his terrible performance on a bad team as a rookie.
horrific is an understatement.
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by MarkusInSaratoga on May 3, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't see any possible way Locker can sit for two years.
I would absolutely bring in Palmer at even a 2nd round price tag cost because he’d probably be the only QB that could at least have a shot at two years of starting.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Why can't he sit for two years?
I don’t see it happening, but why couldn’t it?
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by ronburgundy7427 on May 3, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I just don't see how a possible way to keep him from playing within two years.
The only shot I think, and its still a longshot, is to trade for Palmer and hope that he can give us two full years. I don’t think McNabb would give us two years, or any other FA QB.
In Reinfeldt We Trust
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
McNabb's injuries concern you?
I think he’s easily the best candidate for our offense, and by a pretty wide margin.
at this point I agree that he best fits our ffense, even though I think McNabb is well past his glory daays.
and he will come cheaper than Palmer….afte all we only need someone as a stop gap/mentor.
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by MarkusInSaratoga on May 3, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
I wasn’t high on getting McNabb before the draft, but now I think he’s the best fit for what it looks like they want to do on offense. Plus he’s been around, has had success, and came into the league a similar-style QB to what Locker is. If he’s got good intangibles and is willing to do the short-term mentor thing, I’m all for it.
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by ronburgundy7427 on May 3, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I think he's deteriorating quickly.
Its hard to figure out how much blame to put on Washington as a whole, Shanahan or McNabb but I’m not as confident in him as I was last year when he was traded. I think he’d be an ideal mentor for Locker, but I’m not sure he can hold him off for two full years.
He’s, what, 34 this year? Maybe behind our line we could catch lightning in a bottle and get the good McNabb, but I can’t imagine McNabb being very good at 36, projecting from what we’ve seen.
In Reinfeldt We Trust
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Palmer's younger though.
I think the younger QB has a better chance of getting back to his earlier form.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Who fits lockers style of play more though?
as someone who’s taken hits from running the ball mcnabb is the best case scenario. He also dealt with Philly fans and thrived. Locker will benefit alot from that
by SouthTexasTitan on May 3, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh absolutely McNabb is the better fit based on style.
We need the QB most likely to give us some wins, because it is in our best interest to let Locker sit on that bench for a long time. So while Palmer isn’t a Locker-style QB, he does give us the best chance to keep Locker away from significant playing time.
In Reinfeldt We Trust
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah
the way I’m looking at it is bringing in a tutor and lose now. Win later thing haha
by SouthTexasTitan on May 3, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
so we
change our playbook twice in two seasons to compliment the DRASTICALLY different playing styles? I’ll take a pass.
Plus I think Palmer is done…was overrated to begin with.
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by MarkusInSaratoga on May 3, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Why would we change our playbook?
Palmer will give us two years with the same playbook. Its not like McNabb’s going to be using the same playbook Jake Locker will be either.
In Reinfeldt We Trust
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
McNabb can run many of the plays that Locker will
and Palmer will not. With Palmer you will not see many, if any, bootlegs, draws, rollouts, or any plays requiring more than minimal QB movement, and the defenses will not be gameplanning anywhere remotely close to the way they would with McNabb/Locker.
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by MarkusInSaratoga on May 3, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
The old McNabb could have done the Locker playbook.
I’m not sure how many 34 year old QBs we’re going to be running on bootlegs and draws.
In Reinfeldt We Trust
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually while he rushed less (probably because he was benched)
He was averaging more yards per carry last year then he had been in the last 4 years.
I am pretty certain the reason for his massive drop in production can clearly be as the result of being on the Washington Redskins, as is the same for every other player on that team…
Wycheck on Locker: he is Steve McNair like.
all in. game over. let’s f-ing do this. - by danielreese05
He averaged 11 rush yards a game. Years before that 10 and 9.
Safe to say he’s not the rush threat he used to be, and will never be again.
In Reinfeldt We Trust
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
That's for certain
but he can move when he has to. Also, he was a scrambling QB coming out of college converted more into a pocket passer, which is exactly who he should be taking note from as someone who grew with the NFL.
Wycheck on Locker: he is Steve McNair like.
all in. game over. let’s f-ing do this. - by danielreese05
Yes, the original point was that McNabb and Locker can use the same playbook,
and that’s why we should pursue him over Palmer. At this point in time, neither McNabb or Palmer will be using the same playbook Locker will, so its not a deciding factor one way or another.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Gotcha
Wycheck on Locker: he is Steve McNair like.
all in. game over. let’s f-ing do this. - by danielreese05
Because Palmer can't slide and has shitty knees at 31
Whereas McNabb had the Redskins offense and was 34. McNabb demonstrated pretty good movement and looked like the Philly version of himself, but as I stated previously, he had to deal with the Redskins O.
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by NJD28 on May 3, 2011 10:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Thats why i want McNabb
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on May 3, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Whether it’s Palmer or McNabb…
they are only keeping the seat warm for old Jake.
And he might not be “the guy” either if the Titans wind up getting Oliver Luck’s boy next April…
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by steeler-hater on May 3, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
and
I don;t think Palmer will sign up for the 1 year gig. McNabb may.
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by MarkusInSaratoga on May 3, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
They’d probably sign him for at least 2 years and…
… then have him around “just in case” for next season if Locker struggles as the starter.
I think Palmer might not want to be a guy who is just keeping another guy’s seat warm.
Who knows, he may figure it is still be better than staying in Cincy…
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by steeler-hater on May 3, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Hasselbeck....
what do ya’ll think of him?
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by titansfan4ever on May 3, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I would
love to give him a shot behind our O-line and see what he can do.
So would I
Everybody thinks he’s a washed up old veteran….but when I saw him beat the Saints in the playoffs….he didn’t look like that to me.
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by titansfan4ever on May 3, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
He's a system fit QB
If we run a WCO then we will be fine, but if we run a Air it out offense then he will struggle
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by NJD28 on May 3, 2011 10:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You think they'd turn on him that quick?
First, I think he’s more likeable than Clausen. Second, I think Nashville is more tolerant than most fanbases…unless your name is Pacman Jones. You say the kind of things Locker is, you can get loyalty real quick.
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by ronburgundy7427 on May 3, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Same with Vince though I stood by him till he kicked me in the balls
by SouthTexasTitan on May 3, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't worry, we all received a crotch shot on that one.
In Reinfeldt We Trust
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Indeed.
This past year during the 5-2 start he was getting a lot of goodwill back…then shot that all to hell.
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by ronburgundy7427 on May 3, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
I feel though I’m justified on that one. I’m not expecting much from locker, but my hopes are high for this team. Which is more than a couple months ago
by SouthTexasTitan on May 3, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
That's easy to say today, but fans all that fans REALLY care about is wins and production.
There’s lots of lip service to the contrary, but don’t let that fool you. Fans will turn quickly. And, it’s difficult to say that today, and maybe MCM won’t, but the average fan will. It’s the nature of the beast.
I don’t need to tell you that though. We’ve got a great case study in Vince: wins (loved), quits (hated – more negative hyperbole than I’d ever seen), wins again (loved – future of the franchise), lashes out (most hated player in franchise history). This example is obviously a little different, as some of it’s off the field issues, but this sort of thing happens every year solely based on performance.
I would counter this by saying the fans shouldn't have any impact on the decisions of Reinfeldt and Munchak.
Besides, I think they have at least two honeymoon years before really getting on the hotseat, barring 0-16 this year.
In Reinfeldt We Trust
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I think locker has a better mental make up than Vince though
by SouthTexasTitan on May 3, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
So does the average doorknob…
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by steeler-hater on May 3, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Perhaps, but he seems pretty strong mentally.
After watching his games, I’m very impressed with that aspect of him. His line sucked, his receivers sucked, the whole team was getting crushed often, and he still hung in there.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
He was also at a school that adored him.
Their expectations of success were so low, and he single handedly won games for the team. He was the golden child at Washington.
So, I think he can take a beating, and deal with interceptions, but I think the verdict is still out on how he would take being disliked by the fans after being responsible for losses. That’s very difficult to predict, and it’s unlike anything he’s dealt with before. I’d rather avoid that altogether.
I agree with what you're saying, but I don't think fans expectations will be that high for his rookie year.
I don’t think they were for Vince’s rookie year. Everyone was hoping for better in the beginning with Kerry, but when it was obvious that wasn’t going anywhere, people were just ready to see what the new kid could do.
The lone member of the "Suck For Luck" campaign!
I'd be very surprised to see....
Locker play this year at all. First year for QBs should be….holding a clipboard.
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by titansfan4ever on May 3, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
True, I just tend to find Nashville more forgiving and loyal to the "good guys".
I still talk to people who are furious Fisher was fired/walked/whatever you want to call it. But there have been a lot more fair weather fans in recent years, so it could get ugly if he is forced in early and doesn’t perform well, which is really unfair to Locker.
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by ronburgundy7427 on May 3, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Mendenhall’s comments help him fit right in nicely with the bulk of their team’s fan base…
… bunch of shortsighted R-tards who don’t know what the hell they are talking about when it comes to most things…
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
Wasn't it another Steeler who didn't go to the White House after winning the Super Bowl?
James Harrison…there are a bunch of idiots on that team (but pretty good ball players).
by shawneriksmith on May 3, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Mentally, nobody is gonna confuse Harrison with Myron Rolle…
… ‘cuz old Jimmy boy sure ain’t no Rhodes Scholar…
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
by steeler-hater on May 3, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Only cause he tryed to go helmet-to-helmet....
with one of the Secret Service guys.
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by titansfan4ever on May 3, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Retard Mendenhall
Wasn’t his dumb ass caught on camera humping ole Rapelisberger during their playoff game against the Ravens this past yr?
"That's assault, brotha" - Billy Madison
I think so, maybe. Not 100% sure…
… but it makes ya kinda wonder what’s going on between them two when nobody else is around…
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
by steeler-hater on May 3, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on May 3, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Who here is shocked by this revelation?
Anyone? Anyone at all?
Didn’t think so…
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
by steeler-hater on May 3, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I just wanna hear
the excuses squeeler fans have for it.
“oh, he was just playing! He’s not gay!”
“Oh every straight guy does it”
lol
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on May 3, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, Pittsburgh fans will do it, too…
… just look how they’ve made excuses for the Pirates awful play the last 2 decades…
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
by steeler-hater on May 3, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
lol!
Funny video…
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
by steeler-hater on May 3, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
He was just trying to.......
show ben how it feels…..:-)
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by titansfan4ever on May 3, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, “that” was the “reason”…
… it’s not that he saw his chance to dry hump Toothlessberger…
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
by steeler-hater on May 4, 2011 6:30 AM CDT up reply actions
There’s no such thing as…
… “too many” reasons to hate the Steelers.
I’ve been an Oiler/Titan fan since 1977. I have plenty of reasons to loathe them…
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
by steeler-hater on May 3, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think I'm maxxed out on.....
hatred where the steelers are concerned.
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by titansfan4ever on May 3, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope we dont get
rid of Ringer. CJ is tough but at some point someone is going to get him. We will need Ringer to step up and fill CJ"s blazing shoes.
I think he’s safe as long as…
Tennessee keeps 3 HBs on the 53 man roster…
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
by steeler-hater on May 3, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
dont forget
the other RB we drafted last year…Stafon Johnson…I thought he looked good in preseason! We will likely have CJ, Harper, and either Ringer/Stafon on the roster. I’d personally hang Ringer out there as trade bait.
Bawz Hawgin' from H-town to 'Toga Town
by MarkusInSaratoga on May 3, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
It’s nice to be deep at the RB position…
… personally, I think they might try to “hide” Stafon on the practice squad.
BTW, I am pretty sure Stafon was an undrafted FA…
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
by steeler-hater on May 3, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
He was, we picked him up with Blount
by SouthTexasTitan on May 3, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m sure Stafon would have been drafted but…
… that accident he had scared everyone off.
I’m rooting for him to come back, even if he winds up elsewhere…
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
by steeler-hater on May 3, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
That EDSBS parody...
That was just golden.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on May 3, 2011 1:18 PM CDT reply actions
Has anyone else heard that
Jabaal Sheard was released from the Browns before the lockout was Back on?
I saw it on one of highlights on Youtube if so, i’d like him here
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I wouldn't believe everything you hear.
When an actual source reports it, then I’ll consider it news worthy.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, now that i searched i havent seen anything
unless few people know.
maybe the ppl at their sbnation blog know
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No offense man, but let's think about this logically.
Why would the Browns release their second round pick days after selecting him? Until this comes from Adam Schefter, someone just pulled one over on you.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
haha that being said, NFL Network was just reporting that the Patriots might try to trade Mallett
of course that is a huge might, but that would be pretty interesting…
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all in. game over. let’s f-ing do this. - by danielreese05
Typical Pats move to select a guy and probably trade him for more than he's worth.
I don’t see them dealing him now, but in a year or two, they could probably sucker someone into giving them a first round pick.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Teams are more interested in trading for Brian Hoyer…
… than for Mallett.
I don’t see them trading either one. If they do trade Hoyer, they will want a lot for him…
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
by steeler-hater on May 3, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, probally just someome tricking
someone else.
so lets squash it know
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I can’t find anything online to confirm that…
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
YEEEEES!
Screw you IE 9, Firefox allows me to be able to use the SBN comments section again!
Did anyone else have trouble with their Z key on IE 9?
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 1:40 PM CDT reply actions
Nope…
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
by steeler-hater on May 3, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Darn well I don't know why it was just me then.
For 2 weeks my Z key wouldn’t work unless someone actively wrote a new comment while the page was open.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I do at work on IE.
At home on the Mac, Safari gives me no problems. I can only “Z” if I comment, and even then it is a crapshoot whether it will work or not.
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by ronburgundy7427 on May 3, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah so maybe it wasn't just me then.
It was so frustrating having to wait for someone to comment on an article just to be able to use the Z key, especially if the article was a little lower on the home page and everyone was done talking about it, I had to scroll through everything.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah i have to
wait until someone post a comment before i can scroll down with Z
Check out my Youtube Channel Icecru2
yeah, i want some views...
Well I'm comforted at least knowing that it wasn't just me that was having this problem.
Hopefully it goes back to normal so it’ll work when I use IE 9.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Congrats to Randy Moss' daughter for committing to Florida
http://m.espn.go.com/ncw/story?storyId=6470451
He’s been in the league forever it seems. Sucks she has to be a gator instead of a Nole
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by nolesbroncos3456 on May 3, 2011 2:05 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Man you know the UFL is just chocked full of talent when Reynaldo Hill is the
Overall #2 pick in the draft??? W T F? That’s just sad. Did Ingle Martin go #1?
"he white which is weird i mean how many nfl qb r white"
by BythePowerofMunchak! on May 3, 2011 2:24 PM CDT reply actions
no need to draft Ingle
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Jake Locker will be the starter by the end of the season.
There will be no “2yr intro phase”. Book it.
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Interesting quote on Locker...
I was reading Pro Football Weekly and they do those anonymous quotes from scouts, and one said they worry about Locker not because of accuracy, but because he had a 15-25 record in college, then brought up how Stanford has a relatively mediocre team elevated by Luck, and Ole Miss had a mediocre team elevated by Eli Manning.
Anyone worried about that assessment? I haven’t really crunched numbers or gotten into it deeply, just thought it was interesting.
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One thing is for certain:
That team was horrendous. From what I know, when Locker was hurt that team was even worse, which is shocking because I’m not sure they could play any worse than what I saw. Its hard to read too much into that record. There were times when the offensive line probably had a better chance of stopping the rush by laying down on the field.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I haven't had a chance to go in-depth with tape yet.
I hope a lot of it was the supporting cast, but that quote seems to put it on Locker than he couldn’t elevate them, using Manning and Ole Miss as an example of a terrible team elevated by it’s QB to an 8-win season.
I’m still supportive of Locker, just found the quote to be an interesting take, the one thing we’ve been hearing is his accuracy, not this.
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by ronburgundy7427 on May 3, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Its really a lot of fun to watch Jake Locker. He's equal parts brilliant as he is terrible.
There are times when I see Vince Young, like leading his team against USC or Oregon State in the dying moments to snatch a victory, and other times when he misses a wide open receiver. This ride is going to have a lot of ups and downs.
From that link:
What scared me about (Washington’s) Jake Locker(notes) is that won-lost record. It was ugly. Look at the personnel at Stanford. It’s not great outside of Andrew Luck.
While Locker certainly has lots to work on, I’d say even Andrew Luck would struggle in a defense like this (ironically, its Stanford’s D).
To compare though, he looks very good against Oregon State here. Specifically the last few minutes of the game, and then double overtime, that’s where I think he looks really clutch.
What does it prove? Nothing really, but I think it shows that there is a lot more to Locker than just saying he didn’t elevate the players around him.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
In that Oregon State video
Locker looks great throwing on the move and outside the pocket, I am really excited to see what he can do here with that kind of ability.
Wycheck on Locker: he is Steve McNair like.
all in. game over. let’s f-ing do this. - by danielreese05
That being said, his O-Line is so horrible
They are being pushed back into Locker nearly on every play. You rarely ever see them creating a pocket, more so people just standing in the defenders way long enough for Locker to get the ball out. They are getting pushed all around the field…
Wycheck on Locker: he is Steve McNair like.
all in. game over. let’s f-ing do this. - by danielreese05
He is lights-out when on the move, that much I'm certain of.
Hopefully we have a creative offense under Palmer because if he uses Locker like that we’ll be fine. Cut the field in half, give him easy reads and a simple offensive game plan his first few starts (hopefully late in the year) and we could possibly see some average results at least.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Devil's advocate.
The game he was “very good” in was against the 64th ranked defense in college football.
What was Washington's Offense ranked?
It doesn’t help that none of his receivers in that game made any YAC and pretty much dropped to the ground after the ball was caught.
Wycheck on Locker: he is Steve McNair like.
all in. game over. let’s f-ing do this. - by danielreese05
Oh wow...
that awful.
Wycheck on Locker: he is Steve McNair like.
all in. game over. let’s f-ing do this. - by danielreese05
I'm on the Locker train, and will cheer him on faithfully.
That said, even contextually, the statistics are very, very scary.
If we were taking bets my money would no doubt be on him busting.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
HATER!!!!!111111!!!!!!
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by ronburgundy7427 on May 3, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll take that bet
1,000,000,000 MCM bucks
Biggest bet in MCM history.
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A picture of Jake Locker in a Titan jersey?
"My iPod background now. Replaced the girlfriend. She won't be mad."
Woaaaaaah!
Gramsey, do you have the kinda bankroll to back up that bet?!
Your writing checks your body can’t cash!
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I am confident
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A picture of Jake Locker in a Titan jersey?
"My iPod background now. Replaced the girlfriend. She won't be mad."
Well I'm usually not such a big spender....
My brain says accept the bet, my heart says I want Locker to succeed. You’re on, but I would like to note that I sincerely hope I am 100% wrong on Jake Locker.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
This just in: Winni.Hates.Jake.Locker!!!
More tonight on the nightly news…
Wycheck on Locker: he is Steve McNair like.
all in. game over. let’s f-ing do this. - by danielreese05
I think WTF needs to change his signature
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A picture of Jake Locker in a Titan jersey?
"My iPod background now. Replaced the girlfriend. She won't be mad."
To "I.Hate.Jake.Locker. and 100% hope he doesn't succeed."
I agree.
Wycheck on Locker: he is Steve McNair like.
all in. game over. let’s f-ing do this. - by danielreese05
But I love him!!!!!!!!111!!!!!!!!!111!!!
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Breaking News: Winni thinks Jake Locker is Mr. McDreamy. Could it be true love?
More details tonight on the nightly news…
Wycheck on Locker: he is Steve McNair like.
all in. game over. let’s f-ing do this. - by danielreese05
Edit:
Winni thinks Jake Locker is Mr. McDreamy, but is unwilling to accept advances due to inadequacies in pre-established dating metrics.
Sorry, WTF, I’m right there with you on the metrics stuff….
by SuperHorn on May 3, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ha, this is definitely where I'm at right now.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Perfect
hahaha
Wycheck on Locker: he is Steve McNair like.
all in. game over. let’s f-ing do this. - by danielreese05
Well it's pretty safe to assume Locker will play significantly better with a highly capable offense
Jake Locker + Washington Offense = meh. when he makes that team look ok, you know he has to be playing 130% to make them look competitive
Jake Locker + The Titans Offense = SUPER BOWLZ!!!!!!!
That’s my official analysis.
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all in. game over. let’s f-ing do this. - by danielreese05
This kind of analysis is why I pay my MCM membership
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A picture of Jake Locker in a Titan jersey?
"My iPod background now. Replaced the girlfriend. She won't be mad."
He also had some strong games against
USC (two games actually) and Arizona State. I don’t know where those two teams are in terms of rankings but I’d say there is enough there that I see why the Titans were intrigued by Locker and took him at 8.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
The name USC has a lot of sex appeal, but when you actually look at on field performance you see that they ranked 63rd in scoring defense in 2010.
Arizona State – 55th.
You can only judge the games he played.
No doubt they were weaker opponents, but at least he looked somewhat competent against them.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Link to quote.
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by ronburgundy7427 on May 3, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Without crushing number and going into it further
One person can only take a team so far. Locker took a 0-12 team to a bowl game that he promised he would get them to.
Stafford (who I think could be the best QB coming out of the draft since Pey-Pey) took a 1-15 team to 7-9 last year. They have gotten better with him there, but one dude can only do so much.
Wycheck on Locker: he is Steve McNair like.
all in. game over. let’s f-ing do this. - by danielreese05
*crunching
or crushing… that’s how I do my math!
Wycheck on Locker: he is Steve McNair like.
all in. game over. let’s f-ing do this. - by danielreese05
that's absurd
Luck isnt the reason Stanford won in ‘09, Toby Gehrhardt was… that’s why he was a Heisman finalist. Plus, pretty much any other QB that’s started at UW for 3 years or more would kill for that winning percentage. Plus last year, with no talent anywhere around him, U-Dub and Locker beat USC, Oregon St, UCLA and Nebraska.
Any scout who really felt that way must be sleep walking through his job, or work for the Raiders.
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Optimism
What even gives anybody the idea that our starter wont be KFC? No matter how you spit shine those turds in free agency this teams not gonna overspend. Never has never will. And Mcnabb and Locker having similar tool sets? Come on man what because he could run like six or seven years ago. Any QBs mentioned have lost almost all the physical tools that made them good anyway. Id be semi pissed if the over payed for one of those hacks and didnt use the money on other needs. Now if someone out bids us for Kerry then you almost have to start Jake but i wouldnt mind feeding Krusty and Ratliff to the sharks first.
by radbagger on May 3, 2011 3:41 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I think Locker should start this year.
If he can’t handle adversity now, he won’t handle it later. In-game experience trumps all.
Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove
I think he can handle adversity just fine, it's the on-field habits I worry about.
It’s been said almost universally his in-pocket footwork is going to need work. What happens if he’s thrown out there and reverts to old habits cause he’s not ready yet to have it be second nature on the field? It’s all hypothetical, just something that I think may need some time and would rather have him put out there when they’re certain he’s ready (even taking into consideration it could still be rough), rather than just throwing him out there and having him slip into old habits.
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by ronburgundy7427 on May 3, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
There is no way he can work on his footwork in the pocket entirely
Until he is actually in a pocket in game. No matter how much he practices it, he has to use it in game for it to become second nature.
Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove
by BonzosMontreaux on May 3, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree, I think he needs to spend a year working on footworks and mechanics so much
that it becomes second nature before stepping onto the field. Its hard enough to study Pittsburgh’s defense, but to prepare to start while still working hard on your footwork is overwhelming. Despite recent successes in early starters like Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco and Mark Sanchez, there is a distinct possibility you can “break” a QB early and he’ll never come back from it. Locker is nowhere near the prospect Ryan is, and doesn’t have a team like the Ravens or Jets to back him up.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
disagree completely
in football it’s much, much easier to improve QB mechanics in a controlled setting than it is against live bullets. Of course it doesn’t matter until you can execute it in a game, but the muscle memory comes from practice. If Locker sits for a year he can focus on learning the process more than that week’s gameplan.
Personally, I’d rather hold the kid until he’s ready to hit the ground running in a year than just throw him out there and hope for the best. I understand why that wouldn’t be popular, but it’s my opinion.
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I couldn't possibly disagree more.
Getting used to game speed, reads, etc. is all superior in live action. But, things like drops, footwork, and throwing mechanics are all about repetition, which is done in practice. When you’re getting beat down by a 275 lb defender that runs a 4.4, you’re going to resort to what’s comfortable.
Have you tried to disagree more then you thought you could?
Maybe you have untapped disagreeing capabilities that you never thought possible..?!
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by StPrattrick on May 3, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So much untapped disagreeing potential!!
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I understand what i say isn't the popular thing.
But everyone vision lately is clouded because Aaron Rodgers just won the superbowl. I would guess that if a QB who had started from day 1 was the talk of the NFL today, more people would be on my side.
Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove
by BonzosMontreaux on May 3, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't speak for the others but my opinion has nothing to do with Rodgers.
The QB graveyard is littered with careers that were forced to start before they were ready, and I just don’t want to add Jake Locker’s tombstone there.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
There are just as many examples of QBs who sat with no game experience and then stunk up the joint.
People are vastly exaggerating the effects of starting a rookie QB.
Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove
by BonzosMontreaux on May 3, 2011 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I haven't looked at the distribution but if I have some time I'll take a look.
I would guess, and I stress guess, that the ones who start early are more likely to bust (and bust bad) than those who sit for a while.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
And i would follow that up with the fact that those who start early usually do so on god awful teams.
We may be a bad team, but we are not god awful. Our O-line can actually pass protect, our running game can actually produce. You can’t point to Jamarcus Russell being a bust and say its because he started early.
Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove
by BonzosMontreaux on May 3, 2011 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Right, but this presumes that all rookie QB's are created equal.
I think Locker is more of a project than others. When I see Locker, I see more parallels to Steve Young than I do Peyton Manning.
It took Steve 5 years (one of those in the USFL) to “get it”. He didn’t start his first year (‘85). Played most of his second year (’86), was then traded and then rode the bench for 4 more years (‘87-’90). In about ’89, his numbers started to uptick. Then, in ’91, his first season with meaningful playing time since 1986, he posted a QB rating of 101. And then 107. And then 101. And then 112.
I digress, but you get the point. I don’t think Locker’s progression needs to be this drastic, however he’d benefit from it immensely. He’s much like Steve Young, a very raw, athletic talent, that needs time to develop.
Random Tidbit:
Steve Young was QB under offensive coordinator Norm Chow at BYU. Chow was also Steve Sarkisian’s mentor/OC at BYU, and later they were assistant coaches together at USC. Sarkisian of course coached Jake Locker at Washington.
Just to get any nitpicking out of the way.
Steve Young played 5 games his Rookie year, and was horrific. Similar performance followed his his sophomore season. He had success in 3 starts his first season with SFO (10 TDs, 0 INTs), but it took until roughly 1989 until he started completing passes above a ~ 53% clip.
I just think regardless of what QB we have starting we will suck.
Why not start Locker and have maximum development?
Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove
by BonzosMontreaux on May 3, 2011 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I think there's a significant chance you could end up "breaking" him
and ruining his career. And then we’ll do it all over again in 2014.
In Reinfeldt We Trust
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
How exactly, not generally, are we going to break him?
Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove
by BonzosMontreaux on May 3, 2011 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
By never giving him the proper amount of time to fix his footwork.
By rushing in him against outstanding defenses like Baltimore and Pittsburgh only to be slaughtered.
By creating a playbook based on his running abilities to result in immediate success, while not making sure he’s a complete QB before throwing him into the fire.
If we rush him in, there is a strong chance his footwork and mechanics will never get better. He could lose confidence in his abilities, or have the fans and organization give up on him earlier than they should, flushing his Titans career down the toilet.
In Reinfeldt We Trust
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions
How are these things happening exactly?
Is he really going to get “slaughtered” against Pitt and Baltimore? You give them far too much credit. You can play him WHILE helping him become a complete QB. Its not an either or situation. Where you see the sky falling, i see a slight chance that it will.
Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove
by BonzosMontreaux on May 3, 2011 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
You really think Locker has any chance of success against two of the top three defenses in the NFL?
Defenses that created problems for Peyton Manning and Tom Brady?
I think all the recent successes of rookie QBs have made people forget how bad things usually go for rookie starters. There is a very, very tiny chance of success for Locker against those teams and a huge chance of failure. I do not want to see him become David Carr or Byron Leftwich.
In Reinfeldt We Trust
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
You are blowing things WAAAAAYYY out of proportion.
So having to actually play against good defenses = becoming David Carr now? Carr was sacked the most times in history or something like that. Seriously, take a step back from the hyperbole. Sure he will struggle, but you don’t learn if you don’t struggle. If playing 2 damn games against good defenses breaks him, then i don’t want him as our QB.
Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove
by BonzosMontreaux on May 3, 2011 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions
How am I blowing things out of proportion?
What we know: Jake Locker’s a project QB.
What we’ve seen: Project QBs forced to play early struggle and often never reach their full potential.
Sure, maybe Locker’s the exception, but that’s not likely. His best chance at success is to sit. I’m really not sure really what argument supports the opposite. Maximum development? He’ll eventually play, and when he does he’ll have a solid foundation of mechanics, giving him a greater chance at success and reaching that max potential.
In Reinfeldt We Trust
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Dude, you just said we'd turn him into David Carr by letting him play in TWO GAMES.
And you don’t think thats hyperbolic? I’m more of a parabola man myself.
Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove
by BonzosMontreaux on May 3, 2011 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha, I appreciate math jokes.
The point is not simply just the two games, its the season as a whole. Playing him for the first 8-12 games, or for the whole season, provides a very real possibility of ruining him before he’s gotten the basics down pat.
In Reinfeldt We Trust
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Thats where we disagree.
I think our offensive personnel is good enough to not ruin him.
Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove
by BonzosMontreaux on May 3, 2011 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
The problem with this
is that you can’t actually define “ruin him” without relying on some synonym of “potential” which is also undefinable. It just comes down to “I think he will do better if he doesn’t have to actually play”. I, on the other hand, think he should play; trial by fire so to speak. If it “breaks” him then, like Bonzos said, I wouldn’t want him to be the QB.
Game experience > bench riding / clipboard carrying. You guys are already expecting us to lose hella games, so might as well let Locker learn by losing. If he doesn’t have the mental/emotional wherewithal to handle it, at least we’ll find out early.
Unofficial MCM QB Rating Hater
Epistemological Police
In the link that Ron posted above, I just read the whole thing now and how can you not love this line:
Ron [Rivera] is a hardworking, intellectual type. Cam is the opposite.
Lazy and dumb. That ought to work out well.
In Reinfeldt We Trust
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 4:17 PM CDT reply actions
I feel sorry for Rivera, I like him and kind of wanted him here.
Before I knew the awesomeness that is Thorchak of course.
Good evening. I'm Ron Burgundy, and here's what's happening in your world tonight.
by ronburgundy7427 on May 3, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
All hail Thor!
Wycheck on Locker: he is Steve McNair like.
all in. game over. let’s f-ing do this. - by danielreese05
Personally i feel that Locker has a long way to go before he see the field. The footwork, the accuracy, and the fact hes gonna have to acclumate to accually having skill players at TE and FB. People say that Jake came from a pro offense but you look a that hodge podge band aided offense at Washington it was farther from a pro offense than some spreads. If Munch and Palmer feel that hes ready than so be it but if the have doubts shelter him. I dont want to see him before week 7 for sure. Those ravens and stoolers would love to help in his development.
by radbagger on May 3, 2011 4:21 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I guess I'm the only one who finds it a bit unusual...
that a guy who possesses the ability to be so accurate on some of the hardest throws, is being perceived to have the inability to be accurate from the pocket. It would seem inaccuracy is inaccuracy. By that I mean, if he was simply an inaccurate passer, he wouldn’t be as accurate as he is from outside the pocket.
I guess it’s possible. I mean there is Justin Gage. A guy who can make a cirus catch but would drop a pass lobbed to him by a 4 year old.
I just wouldn’t count his talent out yet.
The lone member of the "Suck For Luck" campaign!
Some of his success, I think, is because the read is easier and that he usually has more time,
considering when he was in the pocket, the pocket was usually collapsing. If we give him time in the pocket that should help him out a bit. That said, he does miss several easy throws when their is a good pocket.
In Reinfeldt We Trust
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I can agree with that.
But his accuracy outside the pocket shouldn’t be understated. It’s not like all those outside throws were gimmies. Some were quite difficult throws that required great touch. Given he has that ability, it’s not unreasonable to assume he can’t be accurate in the pocket. Combine the lack of clear throwing lanes with hurried throws due to defenders coming free and it’s no wonder some of his passes were off. I think, as you said, if we can provide him with a good, clean pocket, he can make the throws.
The lone member of the "Suck For Luck" campaign!
Oh absolutely, that outside the pocket completion rate (around 70%) is outstanding.
At the very least early on we know he’s comfortable with playaction, and honestly I’d have him on the move a ton when he gets his first starts. Not only is he a very good mobile passer, but the threat of CJ on those plays will help both he and CJ.
In Reinfeldt We Trust
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
He really can sell the playaction - well.
He’s good at drawing the defense on screens, and he has a hard pump-fake when he uses it. Based on his abilities, I think his chances are higher than he’s getting credit for, but he will benefit for sitting as much as possible.
The lone member of the "Suck For Luck" campaign!
Agree. I really don't see a negative for sitting him for most of the year.
He’s not going to get worse. In comparison, if we do start him early, there’s a good chance he’ll never progress. Its tempting, really tempting to start him. I’m sure lots of fans will want to, but we’ve got to hold off.
In Reinfeldt We Trust
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
So you basically just explained Brett Favre...
Wycheck on Locker: he is Steve McNair like.
all in. game over. let’s f-ing do this. - by danielreese05
Freeman! Freeman! Freeman!
Favre’s style of play rarely leads to success (usually QBs with poor decision making skills and a gun slinging attitude fail). I’d love to see Locker be Josh Freeman, Donovan McNabb or possibly Aaron Rodgers.
In Reinfeldt We Trust
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I heart Josh Freeman as a QB
I hope Locker becomes like him or better…
Wycheck on Locker: he is Steve McNair like.
all in. game over. let’s f-ing do this. - by danielreese05
I've said this before but I like repeating myself:
Josh Freeman and the Bucs would be the exact model I’d follow if I was Mike Munchak. Play a QB for as long as you can, then throw in Locker for the last few games for some experience, probably wind up 4-12 or 5-11 and be ready to compete for the playoffs by 2012 with a young QB and hopefully a revamped defense.
In Reinfeldt We Trust
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 3, 2011 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions
A-greed
They are doing it the right way right now and honestly I think we are a better team then them still. If we follow that model I think we might miss the playoff this year, but def. be in them next after another good draft.
Wycheck on Locker: he is Steve McNair like.
all in. game over. let’s f-ing do this. - by danielreese05
Speaking of Favre....
has he officially retired yet?
It might help the QB situation for the short-term…hehe
...what I meant to say was...
Who cares...?
same thing every year. I am glad the media is kinda getting over it… at least for now.
Wycheck on Locker: he is Steve McNair like.
all in. game over. let’s f-ing do this. - by danielreese05
Don’t think Favre will be back…
… if he tries, the NFL may come after him over those accusations made by Jenn Sterger.
I think the only reason that whole thing finally blew over is because Favre has retired…
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
by steeler-hater on May 4, 2011 6:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I really liked the link to Gregg Easterbrook--TMQ...
much better than Silver,,
How I MISS Dr. Z. !!!
He’d probably grade our draft A+
...what I meant to say was...
Jake Locker Jake Locker Jake Locker accuracy dropped passes YAC leadership Jake Locker accuracy pocket awareness
Locker #8 pick starter accuracy drops winner Locker completion% stats stats stats passes stats accuracy I on the run NFL draft danger top ten leadership value reach franchise quarterback %run threat pass accuracy risk can’t Jake Locker wait pocket success development for starter accuracy the pocket passer rating Locker footwork lockout leadership % intangibles mechanics accuracy to end win/loss ratio drops analysis draft spending bust #8 top 15 second round drops accuracy YAC winner %
Football.
by BythePowerofMunchak! on May 4, 2011 2:36 AM CDT reply actions
Okay…
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
by steeler-hater on May 4, 2011 6:42 AM CDT up reply actions
My thoughts exactly...
Can we start playing some football now?? Please??
by shawneriksmith on May 4, 2011 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Mendenhall backs off from his previous Twitter comments:
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Rashard-Mendenhall-issues-clarification.html
I can’t help wondering who wrote that little speech for him…
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
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