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Babin Or No Babin, 2011 D-Line Is Deep.

Although I was born in Jamaica, now I'm in the U.S. makin' bills.

Now, that's a very broad statement, but in a vacuum do you honestly disagree with me? Let's assume that Tony Brown and Jason Jones get healthy. Idealized, but also not too far outside the realm of possibility. Now, not only do you have two guys with extremely generic names up front, you also have a couple of proven pass rushers up the middle. Brown brings his size and experience, Jones brings youthful energy and immense ceiling. So ideally, you're working with two starters right off the bat that have been proven effective in the past. 

Their backups this year will likely be a pair of recent early-round selections, Sen'Derrick Marks and Jurrell Casey. Casey is a lot of fun to watch and seems to be a realistic replacement to Tony Brown who may be on the way out sooner rather than later. I believe the term used to describe Casey's style of play was "nasty explosiveness", so that's always good. Wait...

Star-divide

Marks has been a disappointment thus far, but I see potential in him. While I have concerns about his durability, he showed great potential as a pass rusher in college. He's a freakish athlete for his size and is a terrific leader on the field, so I really think that it would be in the Titans' best interest to get this guy on the field a lot more in 2011. If he can live up to those Jonathan Babineaux comparisons, I will be a very happy man. In order to be more effective against the run, I'd like to see him put on some muscle mass, but I love him as a rotational player already. 

Also hailing from Auburn is Tracy Rocker's pet project, Zach Clayton whom many consider to be a massive sleeper. He didn't put up any eye-popping numbers in college, but if you lined up next to Nick Fairley every single play, I'd imagine you'd feel a bit overshadowed too. 

On the ends, you're probably looking at a couple of players that could both reach double-digit sacks next year. Dave Ball quietly had a great year in his injury shortened season tallying seven sacks. Now that the attacking philosophy of Jim Washburn have gone to Philly, who knows how he'll respond in 2011, but I'm fairly certain that he won't just "forget" how to rush the passer. On the other end is a player that excites me to no end; Derrick Morgan. I think we all know the story, Morgan was off to a solid start in 2010 but was forced to cut his season short after a knee injury. He was hyped up as a player with terrific stamina, strength, and initial quickness off the ball coming out of Georgia Tech last year and I fully expect to see all of those traits on display this year. 

Finally, you have perhaps the best, if not least secure member of the group, Jason Babin. Say what you want about his personality, actually, don't, I'm kind of sick of  hearing about it, he's a damn good football player that the Titans would be lucky to have line up at end next year. Recently voted into the top 100 players of 2011, Babin finally showed the talent that made him a first round pick for the Texans all those years ago last year and looks to pick up right where he left off. 

Then you have the fringe contributors in Hall Davis, Jacob Ford, and Jovan Haye. None of these three figure to be big impact players in 2011, but having warm bodies that know how to play the position well enough is valuable when you have some notoriously fragile players starting. Lastly, Malcolm Sheppard and Marques Douglas will likely be fighting with Clayton for a roster spot. The more I read about Clayton the more I think he'll make the team, so let's just say that those two will battle it out for the last spot. 

Now, you and I both know that injuries happen and that Babin is just as likely to walk as he is to come back, but that doesn't change the fact that this is a good foundation upon which a defense can be forged. 

Overall, not a bad group of guys. In fact, they probably get my vote for the top unit in the division. Thoughts? 

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You forgot about Klug

I’m sure he will make the team.

Air Bud > Kerry Collins

by Przybyla on May 23, 2011 9:07 PM CDT reply actions  

I didn’t forget about him, I’m just not sure how much of an impact he makes as a rookie. I’m thinking he’ll mostly be a special teamer this year.

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Damn it feels good to be a contributor, Music City Miracles.
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by danielreese05 on May 23, 2011 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cautiously optimistic about Haye

I hear he’s a good 300 lbs now, and this system might be a lot better for him. He specializes in stopping the run, and it sounds like this new defensive system is preaching that. I’m hoping Haye can be 300+ lbs and can be a consistent run stuffer this year

Patrick Peterson= Next Deion Sanders. Julio Jones sucks.

by trevor2013 on May 23, 2011 9:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, i agree

to be honest, he’s been my Fav DE since we drafted him.
But he is too small for us now, unless he can still perform well at our new DE’s spots

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on May 24, 2011 1:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Damn it feels good to be a gangster

Lets work some magic Locker

Love it or leave it

by JustinS on May 23, 2011 9:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Damn It Feels Good To Be A Gangster is one of the most perfect songs of all time. I will defend it until the day I die.

"I have fear, but I am not afraid."
Damn it feels good to be a contributor, Music City Miracles.
@DPR9

by danielreese05 on May 23, 2011 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I loved our line last year, before everyone got hurt. Now it’s even better. With everyone healthy we’ll have a great line with or without Babin.

by Mikeyy on May 23, 2011 9:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Is William Hayes a FA? I'm blanking.

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by ronburgundy7427 on May 23, 2011 9:35 PM CDT reply actions  

next year I believe.

"I have fear, but I am not afraid."
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by danielreese05 on May 23, 2011 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree our line is deep

But deep or not, the Titans HAVE to get consistent pressure on the QB. If this deep group can’t get to the QB, it puts too much pressure on the LB’s and secondary to up their game. I think if our line gets good pressure play in play out game in game out our defense has a chance to surprise …

WOW
THE NFL

by 12thTitan on May 23, 2011 9:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Our offense needs to stay on the field so that our line can rest.

It's all fun and games until someone gets a concussion from a stray flying footbal. *cough* Kerry *cough*

by MikeGriffFan27 on May 24, 2011 5:45 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Truth

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on May 24, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

This just in: Babin is still a douche'

But I will cheer the shit out of him if he’s playing on our D-Line.
had to say it.

The Saint of MCM

by StPrattrick on May 23, 2011 10:28 PM CDT reply actions  

I have nothing against his character

Hes not a negative dick. He doesn’t say that he’s the only one that matters. He doesn’t diss his own teammates. He seems optimistic about coaches coming in. His character flaws are very minimal compared to what they could be.

It's all fun and games until someone gets a concussion from a stray flying footbal. *cough* Kerry *cough*

by MikeGriffFan27 on May 24, 2011 5:47 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Congratulations

I and his Twitter account seem to think differently.

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by StPrattrick on May 24, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry. Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? Lol

It's all fun and games until someone gets a concussion from a stray flying footbal. *cough* Kerry *cough*

by MikeGriffFan27 on May 24, 2011 3:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

it’s funny coz Haye was born in Jamaica!

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by danielreese05 on May 23, 2011 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nothing about Hayes

or Egboh

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on May 24, 2011 12:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Hayes disappoints me. He doesn’t make enough plays, so I always associate him with his awful rating of 72 on madden, which he still doesn’t live up to.

And who’s Egboh? Practice squader?

It's all fun and games until someone gets a concussion from a stray flying footbal. *cough* Kerry *cough*

by MikeGriffFan27 on May 24, 2011 5:49 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

madden rating doesn't mean much just because he's not a starter

And he’s always worked out well fro me on madden. Sacks, ints, ff, tfls. Too easy for hayes, after that outside move

And Egboh played a game or 2 at the end.
the Kid is huge 6’6 187 and he’s a DE

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on May 24, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

*287 lbs

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on May 24, 2011 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

do we really think either of them are going to be worth much? Egboh signed a reserve/future contract last year and Hayes? well, Hayes ain’t much.

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by danielreese05 on May 24, 2011 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's who I like on the D-line:

WANTS:

Derrick Morgan
Dave Ball
Jason Jones
Jason Babin
Tony Brown(if he ever stays healthy)
ALL our D-line Draft Picks

Don’t care one way or the other:
Jacob Ford
William Hayes

Get rid of:
Jovan Haye
Sen’Derrick Marks
Everyone else who doesn’t prove they’re talented in training camp

P.S. Anyone remember Eric Bakhtiari? I wish we still had him.

I'm not opinionated. I just have an ego that you can't handle.

by GoTitansGo on May 24, 2011 7:52 AM CDT reply actions  

I remember Erick

But i liked Raheem brock and Larry Birdine more
I was so confused why we didnt keep Larry, he was liek JJ at DE
and we all see Brock’s Success.

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on May 24, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who the hell is Hall Davis?

I have never heard of his ass. And he played a game for us last year!

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A picture of Jake Locker in a Titan jersey?
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by gramsey712 on May 24, 2011 8:09 AM CDT reply actions  

Who the hell are half the guys on their?

How do they always sneak nobody players on the roster, I’d look through the roster one day and see some guy I’ve never heard of. Not just Hall Davis, who the hell is Pannell Egboh, Chris Hawkins, Riar Greer, and Joe Tronzo? This happens in the more in the regular season than the offseason!

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by GoTitansGo on May 24, 2011 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

also

not many people know we have Brett Ratliff as a Qb too.
But most of the guys were on the PS.

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on May 25, 2011 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ouch

Gramsey doesnt know the Roster, that saddens me.
And you probably don’t know who Panel Egboh is either? haha

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on May 24, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who is Egboh then?

Inform me, I’d like to learn.

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by GoTitansGo on May 24, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

From what Ive seen of him he's ok.

But what makes him special?

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by GoTitansGo on May 24, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

His size is what we are looking for in our DL

he’s 6’6 and 287.

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on May 24, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he was drafted by the Rams a few years back in the 5th, we picked him up on waivers this year though. I seem to remember being kind of excited he was getting some PT, he’s a real solid athlete and played well in St. Louis’ pre season.

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Damn it feels good to be a contributor, Music City Miracles.
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by danielreese05 on May 24, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ball

SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!

Said in my best Mike Keith voice

by pound the rock on May 24, 2011 8:39 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't want him back

I don’t think he will be as effective as last year if he will be lining up close to the Tackle.

USC > UT (Both of them)

by SoCalTitan on May 24, 2011 11:28 AM CDT reply actions  

While I think we have "depth" in terms of a lot of players at that position with some experience,

without Babin the line is thin on top-end talent. Morgan is the only top tier guy on the line, and that’s assuming he continues his stellar play from last year (which is not nearly as much of a sure-thing as we’re making it out to be.)

And I’ve got to rain on this part of your parade:

Let’s assume that Tony Brown and Jason Jones get healthy. Idealized, but also not too far outside the realm of possibility.

I think that is way, way, way too big of an assumption. Neither have shown an ability to stay healthy in several years. Its far more likely they continue on their current pace (Brown deteriorating rapidly, Jones running hot and cold) than it is for them to suddenly stay healthy. I’ve been operating under the assumption that neither will be big contributors this year, due to my lack of confidence in their health.

In Reinfeldt We Trust

by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 24, 2011 12:51 PM CDT reply actions  

^ this

and I think Jones could be helped out by a possible switch to DE

Football.

by BythePowerofMunchak! on May 24, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

if there’s a deeper line in the division, I’d like to see it. I suppose it’s not a fantastic unit, but it depends on whether Knighton and Alualu continue to do what they do, but their ends are weak. Indy’s had some problems with the interior, but their ends are great, Houston’s kind of a wreck from what I’ve seen out of their defense outside of Mario Williams.

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by danielreese05 on May 24, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

We have depth in the sense that we have 6-8 guys who are average. That's a good thing, but its not a great thing.

The other AFC South teams boast better 4-man fronts, but don’t have the depth for a rotation. Their lines are much better than ours.

In Reinfeldt We Trust

by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 24, 2011 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

deep, yeah. good? no

and I hate to say it but Jason Jones’ ceiling is starting to shrink. This is his 4th year in the league. He’s not a bust by any means but I grow tired of having to talk about “how good he could be.”

Football.

by BythePowerofMunchak! on May 24, 2011 12:55 PM CDT reply actions  

FYI this got a shout-out from Kuharsky on his links post.

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by ronburgundy7427 on May 24, 2011 4:38 PM CDT reply actions  

"I have fear, but I am not afraid."
Damn it feels good to be a contributor, Music City Miracles.
@DPR9

by danielreese05 on May 24, 2011 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

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