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Tennessee_titans_30x21 Rennie Curran is the subject of a short ESPN Page 2 piece on his charitable trip back to his familial homeland of Liberia. Nice work by Rennie to bring awareness to a cause that means so much to his family. As a quick aside, clicking on that article was the first time I'd read a Page 2 piece in around seven years, which is crazy because in the early 2000's they had the best roster of sports writers in the world: Hunter S. Thompson, Eric Neel, Ralph Wiley, Gregg Easterbrook (before his columns became a lazy, snooty Mad Libs), young Bill Simmons and I know I'm forgetting some others who passed through that corner of the internet. Now, it's lifeless husk serves as a reminder of why we can't have nice things on the internets. 
Tennessee_titans_30x21 Da'Quan Bowers' (whose name always reminds me of Dukie from The Wire now...) stock is apparently plummeting, and it's not all about his medical issue, explains Adam Schefter (via Paul K):

"For starters, teams have medical questions about him and his knees. It's a real concern. Another front-office exec told me that his biggest questions about Bowers were not his medicals but his video. He watched the tape and didn't see what some others have. He said that of Bowers' 15 sacks last season, six came when he wasn't blocked and three others came from a certain kind of scheme -- so his 15 sacks last season are effectively down to six. The film also showed his effort was not consistent and his production was spotty. 

"After listening to some people talk about Bowers, it will not surprise me if he falls out of the top 10 or even out of the top 20."

Tennessee_titans_30x21 David Boclair discusses off-season conditioning during the lockout, and points out that at least Chris Johnson has an incredible reputation for always staying in shape. Kenny Britt, however, has to be one of the biggest concerns on the roster after he showed up to last year's OTAs so out of shape the team held him out of practices.

Star-divide

Tennessee_titans_30x21 Michael McCann delivers today's recap of what could and couldn't go down in tomorrow's hearing for the Brady v. NFL case. Seems like there's a news one of these pieces every six hours these days, but McCann does the best job I've seen of relaying exactly what the players would have to convince Judge Susan Nelson of to win a preliminary injunction that effectively ends the lockout and requires the NFL to operate under last year's rules until the antitrust case is settled. To pull this off, the players will have to prove four key things to get the off-season back on track:
• Show that the NFLPA* would likely win an antitrust trial
• Show that a lockout carries the threat of harm that can't be quantified monetarily
• Convince the judge that a preliminary injunction would not harm the NFL more than it helps the NFLPA
• Convince the judge that the public interest is best served by the injunction
Tennessee_titans_30x21 The Colts worked out Andy Dalton. A pre-draft work-out doesn't mean a ton, but just the idea of the Colts getting an heir to Manning that I like as a prospect makes my stomach churn a little.
Tennessee_titans_30x21 Former-Titan Kevin Carter is hosting a charity event at the Palm in downtown Nashville where celebrities, most with Middle Tennessee connections, will be the waiters for a special dinner. Some of the waiters include Eddie George, Craig Hentrich, Derrick Mason, Brad Hopkins and many more.
Tennessee_titans_30x21 Matt Maiocco of CSNCalifonia.com has an interesting article ranking teams based upon their success in the draft over the past 5 years. The Packers and Saints lead the way, while the Titans are (not surprisingly) ranked a mediocre 17th.
Tennessee_titans_30x21 Wes Bunting tabs the boat-load of of prospects he sees as 1st round talent who could be available early in the 2nd.
Tennessee_titans_30x21 PFF tabs Anthony Fasano as one of their Secret Superstars, but the real thing to note here is that Fasano racked-up around 1/5 of his receiving yards last season against the Titans.



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Can't see anyway the Colts land Dalton, unless they are willing to spend the 22nd overall on him.

I’m going to be screaming at the TV if we pass on him in the second and the Colts land him with their pick.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Apr 5, 2011 10:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Yup. Me too.

That is one of the (unlikely) scenario’s I mentioned last week. Considering Manning’s age, I don’t think it would be that much of a surprise.

by SuperHorn on Apr 5, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

The day may have finally come where we have to worry about Indy's backu...

I can’t even finish that sentence with a straight face.

…having said that, there would be much gnashing of teeth on my part if Indy somehow landed Dalton and he got to learn from Manning for a few years.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Apr 5, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ok new draft scenario thought...

We all know our need for a QB and pretty much every team before us need for a QB as well… ASSUMING We draft a big time DT in the first and for whatever reason from now until the draft D-Bowers stock plummets him into the second round, should we grab him with our second pick? Or stick to QB?
Total Hypothetical

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 10:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Stick to QB.

We can afford to ignore it in the first, but not in the second. By our third round pick there will not be any decent QBs on the board.

Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove

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by BonzosMontreaux on Apr 5, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agree.

If we don’t select a QB at 8 or 39 we’re screwed.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Apr 5, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

That being said, should we gamble on not drafting a QB this year

then sign a Veteran to a 3/4 year contract and look to draft a QB next year ‘hopefully’ being able to give him a proper off season to learn the system? Everyone says the QB draft pool is going to be much deeper next year anyway… ?
Playing devils advocate, I really don’t think this would be a good idea. Just throwing it out there

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Only reason I am throwing around the idea

is if we get Fairley in the first (or another top flight DT) D-Bowers in the second, then having a healthy Capt. Morgan and J.Jones with T-Brown in rotation; immediately have a top 5 DL.

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

The only reasonable way we can go QB in the first is by trading down from 8 or moving up from 39.

The only QB the Titans would be considering at 8 is Locker, and that would be an utter nightmare.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Apr 5, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

If that's possible, then great.

I’m just not sure that we’ll have that luxury. Trading down gets thrown around in seemingly every draft, but it’s much easier in theory than in practice. That’s not to say that we can’t do it. However, there will likely need to be some sort of positional run for us to present value at #8. Even worse, a scenario exists where we trade out of 8, back to the middle of the first, and there’s a run on QBs.

by SuperHorn on Apr 5, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here's a better way to put my position:

I’d hate to see us miss out on a potential franchise quarterback because of an obsession with eeking out a little extra draft value and picking up a handful of 3rd round and later picks (compensation for trading down).

If identified as a potential franchise QB:
QB upside > 3rd round (or later) pick upside

by SuperHorn on Apr 5, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree.

I said this on that mock draft Fanpost but give me quality over quantity anytime.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Apr 5, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Even if you think there's a franchise QB here,

I’m not sure you take him at 8 because you’re choosing from Locker, Mallett, Ponder and Dalton. The first two I don’t want, I’d like Ponder but both he and Dalton are going to need serious development time. With the 8th pick you’ve got to find someone that can play within a year or two.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Apr 5, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree. I think Ponder needs the least development time of all the QBs in the draft. Followed by Mallett, and then Dalton.

If I’m a coach, I want my QB to be able to sit for at least a year, and I think that’s Munch’s intention. I’m comfortable with cutting either Ponder or Dalton loose after one year studying.

by SuperHorn on Apr 5, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

For me it depends...

If Bowers is 100% and nothing is holding him back, while Dalton and Ponder are gone, I’d choose Bowers. I’m really not interested in choosing a qb just to choose a qb in the second round, I think Kaepernick is a third round pick, I think Locker will struggle because of his inaccuracy, and Mallett will be long gone, therefore if Dalton and Ponder aren’t there and a healthy Bowers is, then I’d take Bowers.

by Magoo12218 on Apr 5, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

The article ranking teams drafting is a farce.

I’m not seeing that much of an analysis there, just plugging in the best teams and calling their drafts the best. I know drafting factors in, but i have a hard time believing they did as much analysis as they would want people to believe.

Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove

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by BonzosMontreaux on Apr 5, 2011 10:56 AM CDT reply actions  

And the other thing about it is.....

we all know that there is going to be one of those QBs that nobody is even talking about that someone is going to draft in the later rounds…that’s going to come into the NFL and just light it up…and it’s so frustrating because nobody has any idea who that QB is……or do they?

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by titansfan4ever on Apr 5, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe......

Ricky Stanzi…….or Pat Devlin…….or Greg McElroy…..or Taylor Potts?

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by titansfan4ever on Apr 5, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have heard this a ton lately (from the Bunting article)
In my mind he’s the safest bet of any quarterback in the draft. Ponder is a tough, accurate passer with a good enough arm and "gets it" from the shoulders up.

I’d put Ponder ahead of Mallett and Locker.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Apr 5, 2011 11:05 AM CDT reply actions  

Depending on medical.

From my vantage point, I’d go Dalton then Ponder basically because they are very, very similar prospects but Ponder carriers an injury history. If the med team okays Ponder though, then I think it would go Ponder then Dalton.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Apr 5, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've never liked the "injury history" excuse

You can never predict injuries…guys who were never injured in college can become injury-prone in the NFL (Matthew Stafford).

Guys who had “injury concerns” in college end up never missing a game in the NFL (Sam Bradford, Adrian Peterson, etc).

Unless the previous injury caused some long-term damage, then you shouldn’t ever consider a player’s “injury history”.

That’s why I put Ponder as my #1 QB with Mallett, Dalton, Stanzi, Gabbert, Newton, Kaepernick next.

by shawneriksmith on Apr 5, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you have to at least consider the injury and if it will be a recurring one.

Ponder’s got a skill set I love but shoulder injuries and QBs don’t mix. To ignore injuries would seem like a bad move. Sure Peterson worked out but I’m sure there are several players that didn’t. You mention Sam Bradford- great young QB, looks like a future star. He stayed healthy for one year but let’s not get too excited about it. He’s one hit on that shoulder away from being out a year.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Apr 5, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Every QB is one hit on a shoulder from being out a year

You can’t predict injuries…another example, many, many teams passed on Thurman Thomas because he had “medical” issues.

Injuries are a part of football…I would be more concerned with guys who never got injured in college. Were they throwing the ball away at the first sign of trouble? Did they tuck the ball and run instead of standing in the pocket and taking the hit? Was the offensive line that great in protection? Was the quality of defenses that poor?

I think you have to give Ponder a ton of credit for playing nearly an entire season with an injury to his throwing arm…not many QBs are that tough (including the one that the Titans are trying to trade or release).

by shawneriksmith on Apr 5, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

True, but the previous season, he was horrible

So, looking at both years, Locker is not a good QB…great athlete, solid character but not a good QB and a huge project to be an NFL QB.

Ponder had a great year the year before last and he has a lot of the same “intangibles” that Locker has. Plus, he played in a nearly pro-style offense (lots of play action and snapping the ball from center).

by shawneriksmith on Apr 5, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

See I don't think Ponder is that much better then Locker

Granted Ponders accuracy was better, but it’s not like Locker was throwing 30 INTs. Locker had 1 more INT then Ponder did, threw 30+ more passes then Ponder did, was sacked less, plus had 200+ yards rushing and 2 more rushing TDs then Ponder. It’s not like Locker was making countless bad decision and turning over the ball time after time. He has to work on his accuracy, Ponder and Locker completed the exact same amount of passes, but Locker threw 30 more passes that were incomplete over the year.
So look at their stats, they aren’t too far off each other last year, both with positives and negatives in different areas. I just think Locker has a higher ceiling then Ponder does, maybe Ponder has a higher floor…. but I’m not looking for another Joe Flacco.

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

RE:
He has to work on his accuracy

How would you propose he do that?

Quarterbacks that are this inaccurate in college don’t learn accuracy at the next level. It doesn’t happen. Ever. I don’t know why this time would be any different.

by SuperHorn on Apr 5, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

By sitting a year and working with QB coaches

as any other QB does.

Inaccurate in college does not mean he will be Inaccurate for the rest of his professional career. Also, like I said, it’s not like he was tossing balls all over the field for INTs, he wasn’t making any worse decisions then Ponder was, over the season he had 30 more in-completions then Ponder did, now how much of that is attributed to his talent on the field and him… who knows? I just don’t think saying 30 more in-completions over a season over your Man-Crush Ponder is necessarily an ‘inaccurate’ QB.

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now Dalton on the other hand...

Dalton > Locker/Ponder for realz.

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where are you getting your stats from?

Locker threw 35 INTs during his college career while Ponder threw 30 INTs (3.3% INT-to-attemps for Locker versus 2.9% INT-to-attempts for Ponder).

If you look at just the last two years for each QB, Ponder had 65% completion percentage, 2.3 TD-to-INT ratio, 5.4% TD-to-attempt ratio, 2.4% INT-to-attempt ratio, and 7.6 YPA.

Locker had 57% completion percentage, 1.9 TD-to-INT ratio, 5.2% TD-to-attempt ratio, 2.8% INT-to-attempt ratio, and 7 YPA.

Plus, Ponder played in a pro-style offense and he played nearly the entire last season with an injury to his THROWING arm.

by shawneriksmith on Apr 5, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Locker also threw 53 TDs

while Ponder threw 49.
I am looking at the same place you are, I am just taking stats from last season.
My point is, they are that far off from each other. Both have positives and negatives to their game.
Also, Locker played with broken ribs nearly the entire year, which if you’ve ever had make it difficult to do anything including breathing let alone getting chased down by a 300 pound DT.
So both are balls tough and still produce.

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok, if you are only looking at last season

Then, where do you get 49 and 53 TDs for both of them??

Yes, Jake Locker threw the ball a lot at Washington…a lot more than Ponder. But, throwing the ball 40 times a game doesn’t mean you are a great QB…it’s what you do with those attempts is what matters. And, Ponder has a higher TD-to-attempt ratio, lower INT-to-attempt ratio, higher completion percentage, and much higher YPA.

They aren’t that close…

Another way of looking at Locker’s performance in college is presented in this link (and it’s not good):

http://fantasyfootballmetrics.com/Player_News/Content/NFL-Draft_2011_Locker_2-23-2011.htm

by shawneriksmith on Apr 5, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Alright, when people start comparing Locker

to Sexy Rexy-Grossman… avoid him like the plague.

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Locker

did not have a supporting cast. Bad running game and WR’s who couldn’t catch a cold.

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by MarkusInSaratoga on Apr 5, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

So if he was really that elite QB, why didn't he elevate them himself?

Veering away from statistical analysis with this, but Matt Ryan played for an average-to-mediocre Boston College team and elevated them through his play, then went third overall and we all see what that did. Hell, even Cutler managed to elevate Vandy, may not have gone to a bowl, but he did lead them to a victory over TN for I think the first time in however many years.

If Locker is this elite guy, why didn’t he put that team on his back or drum up some out-of-this-world performances to show how good of a QB he was?

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by ronburgundy7427 on Apr 5, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

and Matt Ryan

played in weak conference in comparison. Cutler overacheived and, while I think he is pretty good, his record and stat line kinda stinks.

What did Faver do in college (<60% completion %)? Brady (back-up)? Manning (FL=his cryptonite)? I see no titles. Manning is a HOF’er. Why couldn’t he put the Vols on his back? Why couldn’t he beat FL at all while he was there?

Bottom line, Locker has talent. 1st round talent. I wouldn’t mind seeing him in two-toned blue. More so than Ponder. More so than Cam or Baggert (my new name for Gabby).

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by MarkusInSaratoga on Apr 5, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

While I know your sig is in jest, I happen to believe that its true.
he wasn’t making any worse decisions then Ponder was

Ponder’s accuracy indicates he is making better decisions than Locker. Ponder’s got 62% to Locker’s 54%. Ponder’s best season resulted in 69% accuracy. Locker’s high? 58%. That’s a pretty big difference. If you look at seasons that have similar attempt numbers, Locker was 184/332 while Ponder was 227/330. That’s 32 more completions, good for approximately 2-3 more completions a game. And his YPA is better too, so those three completions would be worth a little more.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Apr 5, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry my math was way off there. Don't know where I pulled 32 from.

The difference between Ponder and Locker was 43 completions. Spread over a season, that’s 4-5 more completions a game by Ponder.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Apr 5, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

But like I said earlier

How much of that can we attribute to the lesser talent on the field as well?
Really I don’t care, my point is they aren’t far off each other when it comes down to stats. Both have positives and negatives to their game… I don’t think either is a sure fire, but I think Locker has higher ceiling is all.

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Re:
Inaccurate in college does not mean he will be Inaccurate for the rest of his professional career.

That’s precisely what it means. I’d challenge you to find me an example of a college QB with ~55% completion percentage that became an accurate passer in the NFL. I don’t think such an example exists.

by SuperHorn on Apr 5, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I do not accept that challenge purely based on the fact I don't feel like scouring the internet

to find 2 QBs in history that had mediocre accuracy in college then turned out to be accurate passers in the NFL.
Anyone else care to accept this tedious challenge on scrolling through pointless stats to prove SuperHorn wrong?

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by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I DO NOT accept your challenge good sir!

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by gramsey712 on Apr 5, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Prove I'm wrong?

Wouldn’t you feel better about knowing that you have some sort of leg to stand on your contention that college accuracy is irrelevant?

You’re digging your heels in on an issue for which, if you’d bother to research, you’d realize is completely ridiculous. The reason you don’t want to do the research is that even if an example does exist, it’s an outlier, and it will take a substantial amount of time to look for said example.

by SuperHorn on Apr 5, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you just reiterated what I just said...

I DO NOT want to look it up, because honestly I don’t care. I don’t care if there are 2 QBs in the history of football that defied all logic and reason to improve their accuracy in-between college and the NFL. If they are out there I invite anyone else who wants to carry on the conversation further, but I am completely happy in my ignorance knowing I didn’t spend an hour looking up a stat that I really don’t care about.
No I would not feel better about knowing, because I really don’t care.

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow. That reads the wrong way.

Didn’t mean to be that aggressive with it….

You are intentionally ignoring the facts. Let the record show…

by SuperHorn on Apr 5, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah sounded pretty aggressive

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you want to know the truth

I am watching a copy of Battle Los Angeles (which I haven’t seen) whilst working too which is why I don’t care enough to look it up.

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not at all

and I think you stating that my statement and/or that I am ignorant, really pisses me off because bottom line you don’t know if there is or not either. So if I am ignorant you are just the same.

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm doing the research for you right now

just look below

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by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well done sir

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I gotcha brother

In his college career, Brett Favre threw for 40%, 55%, 54% and another 54%.

"Oh, you should never, never doubt what nobody is sure about." Gene Wilder - Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory

by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Michael Vick threw for

59% and 54%

"Oh, you should never, never doubt what nobody is sure about." Gene Wilder - Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory

by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brett Favre example carries weight.

Vick didn’t become accurate in the NFL, and only has one year over 60%.

by SuperHorn on Apr 5, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

which was this year

so if he throws for over 60% next year then I say he definitely has “become” an accurate passer

"Oh, you should never, never doubt what nobody is sure about." Gene Wilder - Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory

by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Favre's example should prove...

that you can be inaccurate in college and then have a dramatic turnaround in the NFL. Favre was a 2nd round pick much like Locker is projected to be.

"Oh, you should never, never doubt what nobody is sure about." Gene Wilder - Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory

by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

So it’s possible. Point proven.
We win!

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Time not important

only life…

"Oh, you should never, never doubt what nobody is sure about." Gene Wilder - Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory

by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

It does.

I still maintain that it’s unlikely. The exception proves the rule.

by SuperHorn on Apr 5, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

But it's possible

You asked for an example and you got it.

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kurt Warner threw for 50% in NFL Europe

the year before coming to the NFL. He also threw for 57% his senior year of college.

"Oh, you should never, never doubt what nobody is sure about." Gene Wilder - Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory

by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

2 Potential Hall of Famers

Your on a roll

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

The point still stands, though.

Taking two examples and extrapolating them into good draft decisions doesn’t make sense. If we want to use outliers as draft strategy, let’s avoid the NFL draft and just look for Free Agents at local grocery stores.

by SuperHorn on Apr 5, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm providing examples of what you challenged to provide

that’s all. I don’t care about Locker or whoever

"Oh, you should never, never doubt what nobody is sure about." Gene Wilder - Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory

by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Before you were saying they don't excist

Now you are calling them outliers and the possibility of these QBs ever coming along again is purely a fluke. You asked for examples and Mr.Faulkner was kind enough to find them. I am sure there is more throughout the history of football. Don’t discredit the fact that QBs CAN improve bad accuracy after college just because it goes against your point of view

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

From the original statement:
The reason you don’t want to do the research is that even if an example does exist, it’s an outlier, and it will take a substantial amount of time to look for said example.

by SuperHorn on Apr 5, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fine

Then don’t discredit the results he found when that’s what you asked for.

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's back up here.

Kurt Warner threw for 58.4% in his senior year of college.

For the Iowa Barnstormers, he threw 59%, 61%, 65%. Then, in one year, he threw for 50% in NFL Europe.

by SuperHorn on Apr 5, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

well let's back up again

the 59% 61% and 65% stats you gave were when Warner threw for how many passes?

"Oh, you should never, never doubt what nobody is sure about." Gene Wilder - Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory

by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

my bad thought you were talking about college

"Oh, you should never, never doubt what nobody is sure about." Gene Wilder - Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory

by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm looking at the same stuff you are bud

you can spin a spinner

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by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's what he does

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

my bad

but he still threw for 50% before entering the NFL… which is inaccurate.

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by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

and cool. you can discredit Warner

but Favre, Garcia, Rosenfels all improved their accuracy from college to NFL. i’m done, peace out for this conversation. 40 minutes is the most time i can spend on this. feel free to spend another 4 hours looking up stats to prove i’m wrong.

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by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha that's why I had to bow out

I am impressed you actually took the time to find those ones, apparently it wasn’t enough to prove our points…

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

for sure

it just offended me for some reason when you were called ignorant.

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by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Me too actually

I appreciate it

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really didn't mean to be offensive, and regretted the way the comment read after I typed it. My apologies if it came across the wrong way.

Even after Chris’s research, you have to admit that while example(s) (plural if you really want to use Rosenfels as your poster boy) exist, they are very few and far between. So much so that I have a hard time accepting those long odds in the top two rounds.

by SuperHorn on Apr 5, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

They are few and far between

Which I am willing to bet that since Locker is good to great in nearly every other stat/QB tangible other then accuracy percentage, he will turn out to be a good QB. He will turn out to be that few and far between.

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

This discussion might be different, if that were true.

But, here are Locker’s rankings in different categories.

Rating 2010 – 73rd, 2009 – 55th
YPA – 2010 – 68 2009 – 59

So, to your point, if it were true that his rating and YPA were high, despite a lower completion percentage, I could start to see things different. Unfortunately, they aren’t.

by SuperHorn on Apr 5, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

ugh your boring

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

???
good to great in nearly every other stat/QB tangible other then accuracy percentage

This isn’t true. Should I just accept it as fact? Would that be less boring?

by SuperHorn on Apr 5, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Garcia is a stretch with a 57% career completion percentage in college.

Rosenfels, I’ll give you, though I’m not sure that gives me the warm fuzzies about drafting Locker.

Favre is easily the best example, and the only one I’d consistently point to if you’re a proponent of “coaching up” a college QB.

by SuperHorn on Apr 5, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

But the question remains

Do you want to take that risk and pass up prospects at other positions in the 1st/2nd rounds?

I don’t think the Titans are in a position to take a risk at QB. Especially with Munch being a brand new coach.

by shawneriksmith on Apr 5, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well it just depends on what side of the fence you sit on

Assuming Newton, Gabbert, Dalton are all gone in the first round (if we don’t go QB in the first) then Ponder and Locker are available… it would come down to what direction the coaching staff would want to go. Did they see something in the interviews that make them think one or the other is their guy? so on so forth… if it was me with what i’ve seen, I’d prefer Locker.

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just to throw this out...

I made the point down below about Reid being an “x factor” in Vick’s improved QB play. Guess who was hired to Green Bay’s coaching staff the same year as Favre was acquired?…

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by ronburgundy7427 on Apr 5, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

True

Reid is an offensive genius…just like at McNabb w/o him as well for testament to that.

Reid is probably the best QB guru in the league today.

by shawneriksmith on Apr 5, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, but until this past year

Vick had a career passer rating below 80…Vick has never been a good QB in the NFL.

The Vick comparisons are probably apt for Locker (without the dog-fighting issues and less athletic).

If the Titans have to wait 5+ years for Locker to groom into an NFL QB, then he’s not worth a 1st or 2nd round pick.

by shawneriksmith on Apr 5, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but I would still take Vick over 90% of the QB's out there

and his accuracy is getting better, which is what the argument was, that it was not possible.
I would substitute Vick-like abilities for a few points of accuracy percentage any day of the week.

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh.

That’s not a reality. Are you seriously drafting a guy this year with the intention of coaching him up to start in year 10. What’s to say last year wasn’t an anomaly? The rest of his career points to sub-par accuracy.

by SuperHorn on Apr 5, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you honestly think if I thought it would take Locker 10 years to be coached up

we would be having this conversation?
Lockers ability to be coached up > Vick’s ability to be coached up. Infinitely so.

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

It also took a widely-renowned QB guru to get a better throwing performance out of Vick.

I honestly think working with Reid was the biggest difference for Vick, and sitting for a year behind McNabb. If he had been forced into starting two years ago for some reason, I don’t think the same sort of season happens.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Apr 5, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

good point

"Oh, you should never, never doubt what nobody is sure about." Gene Wilder - Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory

by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

good point to this

"Oh, you should never, never doubt what nobody is sure about." Gene Wilder - Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory

by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

oops nevermind, wtf

"Oh, you should never, never doubt what nobody is sure about." Gene Wilder - Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory

by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

But that is my whole point

working with the right coach can/will improve the right QBs accuracy.

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

although his NCAA career avg was 58%

Jeff Garcia threw for 55% his senior year

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by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow seriously... ha

There you go. Someone that wanted to take the time to look it up. Has nothing to do with the fact it doesn’t exist, just the fact I didn’t want to do it.
Good work Mr.Faulkner

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

McNabb's NCAA average percentage

was 58%

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by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

well you weren't providing them

just playing devil’s advocate, i don’t care either way

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by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

re:
I’d challenge you to find me an example of a college QB with ~55% completion percentage that became an accurate passer in the NFL.

by SuperHorn on Apr 5, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

okay you're right

but Favre was definitely under 55

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by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

And McNabb had 62% completion percentage his last year

And YPA around 9 his whole college career (2 YPA higher than Locker).

So, let’s not even compare those two.

by shawneriksmith on Apr 5, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Still, all these examples turned out to be successful QBs

and improved their accuracy issues over time. Would you like someone else to look up stats as to which QBs did cartwheels whilst throwing the most amount of completions vs the amount of back flips they did whilst throwing INTs next?

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

But, now you're mixing my words. Whether you find the distinction relevant or not, 55% is different to me than 58%.

I’m surprised to find Brett Favre pop up, because I’ve spent many hours combing through pas QB statistics. I’ll just say that it’s VERY RARE to find a QB with 55% or lower that can then throw 60% or higher in the NFL.

by SuperHorn on Apr 5, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure it's rare

but who are you to say Locker or anyone will not turn out to be the next one of those QB’s?

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

These things happen all the time.

And, they’ll continue to happen. That doesn’t make it likely. All these guys have potential. That’s why they are getting drafted. It’s the GM’s job to make the best decision given the information avaialble. The historical information available tells me that QBs that are inaccurate in college generally are more likely to bust. So, I’d be leery of taking said QB.

by SuperHorn on Apr 5, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Leery yes

avoid them like the plague, no.

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay maybe one of the best examples so far

because his NCAA stats were horrible. In college Sage Rosenfels threw for 40%, 33% and 54% his senior year. I realize he may be a career backup, but his last two NFL seasons that gave him significant action saw him throw for 64% and 66%

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by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll give you one more.

Joe Montana.

I’ve had this argument elsewhere, though not about completion percentage, and he’s easily the best example of a bad college QB that was lights out in the NFL. Brett Favre is another good one. More recently, so is Josh Freeman.

by SuperHorn on Apr 5, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

One other thing...
I just don’t think saying 30 more in-completions over a season over your Man-Crush Ponder is necessarily an ‘inaccurate’ QB.

When did this confusion start? I’ve been on the Dalton bandwagon from the beginning.

by SuperHorn on Apr 5, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am on the Dalton bandwagon too

… so what are we arguing about. Get Dalton!

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love Ponder

But his injury history probably indicates that he’s more likely to suffer shoulder injuries then other QBs in the draft. Obviously a crushing hit will harm Ponder, Bradford or even Manning but its the bad-but-not-devastating hits that are more likely to put out Ponder than say Andy Dalton.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Apr 5, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're handpicking some examples.

Daunte Culpepper came off an injury, they signed him, and he never was able to recover from it fully.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Apr 5, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying there are examples of guys who had injuries then got re-injured

I’m just saying that you should NOT automatically lower a guy’s ranking because he got injured in college.

There have been many QBs who had injuries and who came back with MVP-caliber seasons (Drew Brees, Rich Gannon, Joe Montana, etc).

Injuries are a part of football…and Ponder has shown that he is over the injury he had last season. He showed it at the Senior Bowl, Combine, and (from what I have heard) at his Pro Day.

by shawneriksmith on Apr 5, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why not?
I’m just saying that you should NOT automatically lower a guy’s ranking because he got injured in college.

I’ve got Dalton and Ponder with identical grades. The tie-breaker is that one has a lengthy injury history and one doesn’t.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Apr 5, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because you can't predict injuries

If Matthew Stafford had come out the same year as Sam Bradford, I’m sure most people would have “graded” them out similarly but would have put Stafford ahead of Bradford due to “injury history”.

Well, how has that turned out for Stafford? Never injured in college and can’t go more than 4 games in a row in the pros…

If you can’t predict future injuries, then why factor it into evaluating prospects? Unless the medical team says that Ponder can never throw at an NFL-level again, then you should disregard any of Ponder’s injuries. And, based on what I have seen and heard the last couple of months, Ponder is fully healthy.

by shawneriksmith on Apr 5, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

^This is my point.

I don’t care that Stafford got hurt and Bradford hasn’t. Dalton and Ponder are almost identical QBs. If I’m choosing between the two, I’m taking the one with no injury history.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Apr 5, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you truly have two QBs that are exactly identical in their "grades"

Then, yes, you would look at that, but I doubt you ever get that far.

Ponder played in an offensive system with a lot of play action and multiple reads as well as setting up protection.

Dalton played in a pistol / spread offense…so, I put much more weight on that than Ponder injuring his elbow last season.

by shawneriksmith on Apr 5, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just note

I like Dalton too, but I think Ponder should be higher rated.

by shawneriksmith on Apr 5, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

He did operate out of a spread offense mainly

Don’t get me wrong…I like Dalton. I think the Drew Brees comparisons are apt (Brees played in a spread offense, as well).

Dalton is smart, accurate with adequate arm strength, and good pocket awareness.

Ponder is also smart, accurate with adequate arm strength, and good pocket awareness (I may rate him a little higher than Dalton on pocket awareness though).

But, Ponder had many more reps on play action and reading defenses on 3/5/7 step drops…that’s a big difference. Much bigger than Ponder being injured once playing football.

by shawneriksmith on Apr 5, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pennington worked out pretty good in MIA too.

If there are injury concerns on the throwing arm or shoulder, I’d pass. No thanks. Brees is a rare exception. For every Brees, there is a Pennington, Culpepper, Aikmean, Theisman, McMahon, etc.

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by MarkusInSaratoga on Apr 5, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but

I’m sure every team that passed on Adrian Peterson is regretting that just because he had some injuries in college.

Reggie Bush never had any injuries in college…and he’s been a ton more “injury-prone” than Adrian Peterson. Just an example…

by shawneriksmith on Apr 5, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's so disappointing, if he didn't have all the off-field question marks he'd be perfect for this offense.

With his arm and the vertical game the offense has been running, and sounds like they will continue to in the near future under Palmer, he’d be perfect launching it to Britt and whomever else.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Apr 5, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Locker wouldn't surprise me at 8.

I hate to say that, but it’s looking more likely by the day. His intangibles are off the charts, and I think Vince probably tainted Munch a little bit…to the extent that he may reach for the QB with the best character.

Ugh.

by SuperHorn on Apr 5, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree. We've targeted high character guys in recent years and Locker comes off great in interviews and background checks.

Locker is AT LEAST two years away from starting. If we take him, it’ll be the next coach that should expect results.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Apr 5, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

If he drafts Jake Locker at 8, I give him two years before he's shown the door.

I don’t see how he can possibly do any better than 4 wins a year with a FA cast off or an not-ready-to-play Jake Locker at the helm.

Also, even extending Munchak’s time to three years you’ve got: 2 developmental years for Locker, 1 year where Locker plays and hopefully shows something. Even in that case Munchak may not see his next contract.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Apr 5, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

You are probably right

but I am hoping that’s not the case.

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think that is what I like most about Locker

that he has the probably the best character amongst the group (as far as we know). He seems like the kind of dude that will do what it takes to win on and off the field. That being said, that is exactly what the Titans need right now; A leader instead of an AirRaid QB that can not command a huddle…

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

But a great guy who isn't accurate?...

I don’t like that one. If he’s there at 39, go for it. I don’t like using a Top 10 pick on a guy who, yes, had terrible talent, but seemed to regress his senior year and is not the most accurate guy.

Maybe that will change with great talent at WR and an All-World running back…but I just think if he was a true franchise guy he would’ve elevated that team with his play, regardless of how bad they were.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Apr 5, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh no way am I saying use the 8th pick on him

I’m saying if we trade down or grab him in the second.

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think Dalton has plenty of character.

To your point, character doesn’t mean $&!* until Locker can get on the field, which, as WTF pointed out, won’t be for at least two years. He’s too raw for my liking. Love his intangibles, but those are only relevant if he can actually get in the huddle and be productive on the field.

by SuperHorn on Apr 5, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is true

but I wouldn’t be starting any of these QBs this year if I was HC… if we do it right, they should all be sitting at least a year.

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think even the 2nd round may be a little high for him

Or, at least the 1st half of the 2nd round…I think he’s that much of a project.

by shawneriksmith on Apr 5, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking of guys being taken late...

All this garbage about Bowers is nonsense. No way he’s still on the board at no.8…..also, no way Dalton or Ponder will be there at no.39….so we better get it right with our 1st pick….just sayin…:-)

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by titansfan4ever on Apr 5, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

He kinda looks like a RB

He’s a few lbs smaller than tully but has that slight build to him

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Apr 5, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

in fact i'm calling it

Rennie for emergency 4ths string HB!!

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Apr 5, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Trade for Tebow

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by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 12:43 PM CDT reply actions  

no...

trade away all our picks to Carolina for the #1. There we can take Cam or Gabbert!

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by MarkusInSaratoga on Apr 5, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're right!

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by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does Kevin Carter live in the Nashville area now?

I like that a lot of these guys have chosen to return here over their actual hometowns after their playing careers are done, hopefully says a lot of good stuff about us.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Apr 5, 2011 2:02 PM CDT reply actions  

It does

And Tennessee does not have a state income tax. A lot of guys will keep their residence here even after they move on to other teams.

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by gramsey712 on Apr 5, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love not having the income tax...hate it when I go to buy stuff.

I didn’t think about that though, keeping a place here for tax purposes. Shrewd move, players, shrewd move.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Apr 5, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

it does kinda suck when you buy things...

In Memphis we get charged almost 10% for any and everything. So whenever I get a 10% off coupon all I see is a tax discount.

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by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

The tax thing definately helps

but Nashville is also just a great city with nice suburbs, a growing downtown scene, comparatively low cost of living and it’s an 8 hour drive from most of the eastern US.

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by August West on Apr 5, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

and 8 hours away from the gulf beaches!

low cost of living definitely is one of the biggest perks

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by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is true, I keep thinking if I would ever move away and can't think of anything.

My love for the Titans is really one of the biggest reasons, go to every home game with dad and moving away and losing that is (for better or worse) one of the biggest things keeping me in Nashville.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Apr 5, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

i feel ya bro

I’m a home boy too

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by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

that`s one of my favorite places to visit when I`m in US also.

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by doelmel on Apr 15, 2011 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

There's a poll on NFL.com about "The best kick-returner playing in the NFL"

The public still thinks that Devin Hester is the best returner in the league. He returned three punts for touchdowns last year but before that he hadn’t had a return longer than 50 yards since 2007. Awesome…. I hope Mariani is on that list next year but with the new rules in the return game I don’t imagine anyone will care ever again.

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by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 2:14 PM CDT reply actions  

To be honest nobody knows who Mariani is

And his return TD against the Redskins, while still good, was a fluke play. It required a redskins player to go down and be unable to move that was directly in his path.

So he isn’t there yet, but he can get there.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Apr 5, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure that anyone will really get there anymore.

Punt returns won’t change much but I can’t see anyone having return stats next year that get them noticed.

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by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd still put Hester right at the top.

Guy had a bit of a renaissance this year after trying to be a full-time receiver the past few years. Dez Bryant and Desean Jackson could be up there soon enough, if they aren’t already.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Apr 5, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I could justify a vote for Jackson

solely based on the punt return against the Giants last year. I voted for Josh Cribbs because he’s averaged way over 1000 return yards and at least a TD a year for the first 5 years he was in the NFL. His stats were down a touch last year but I think that’s because they wanted him more involved with the passing game (which he was not.)

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by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Titansonline.com just relaunched their message boards

I wonder which one of us gets kicked off the site first.

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by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 2:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Ready. Steady. GO!

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

by StPrattrick on Apr 5, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's kinda lousy

it takes a few minutes for your posts to show up. It’s hard to have a coherent conversation like that.

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by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

there are lots of bugs running through the site right now

And after only spending 15 minutes on it I must issue a very intense Thanks you Jimmy! for operating MCM in such a fluid and effective manner.

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by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I mean it's straight up wretched right now

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by Chris Faulkner on Apr 5, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Always has been

Big thanks Jimmy!!

inaccurate in college = inaccurate 4life!!

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