2011 NFL Draft Bust: Robert Quinn
A number of you may remember Superhorn's post on the top rated quarterback in this year's draft that ultimately labelled him a bust. He cited an obligation to post his thoughts on Blaine Gabbert, and now I feel obligated to post my thoughts on one of this year's top rated defensive ends, Robert Quinn.
Also, like Superhorn, I'd like to say that I'm a big fan of Quinn. My closet UNC fandom has grown out of my hatred for Duke, my love for Ty Lawson, and the fact that they look fresh to death in anything they wear. I like Robert Quinn the college player. However, Robert Quinn the Titan gives me nightmares. It seems like his top-10 status is surviving on reputation alone without a whole lot of substance.
Like Gabbert, my main concern with Quinn is his relative lack of production against a very weak field
A lot of guys here have been enamored with this guy. He's the super-talented animal that comes off the edge and finished his career with a total of...13 sacks. Here's something else; in a total of eight games against ranked opponents, Quinn has one measly sack. This disappearing act suggests to me that his speed-rushing abilities are vastly overrated. If he can't do it against the best offensive linemen in the ACC, what makes anyone think he could've done it against the SEC's, let alone the NFL's? Well, those 13 sacks had to come from somewhere, right? Yeah, eleven of them came against Duke, Virginia (a 3-9 finisher in 2009) and various D-1AA squads. So what exactly am I looking at here; a potential second or third round pick who has to get a bi-yearly MRI for a brain tumor that may or may not kill him one day and hasn't played football in 18 months. Anything else? (Edit: please don't misinterpret my words as insensitivity, I am very much aware of the consequences that cancer can have on a family. It was merely meant to show that there are some very large and very real dangers in drafting a player with such a condition.)
Let's look at arguably my favorite player in the NFL, Brian Orakpo. He's a shining example of everything you want in an outside linebacker in the NFL; he rushes the quarterback, plays strong against the run, and has made the Pro Bowl in each of his first two seasons. His college resume is about as impressive as they come. In 2008, his senior season, Orakpo nearly equaled Quinn's career sack total in half the time with 11 sacks. I know Quinn missed a significant amount of time, but I doubt he would've been able to match Orakpo's career total of 38 tackles for loss and 22 sacks. He was a unanimous All-American, the winner of the Nagurski Trophy, and the Big 12's defensive player of the year. He put up huge numbers at the combine, had no injury history, and came with a shining record record of character. All this garnered him the thirteenth overall pick. Maybe 2009 was a deeper draft, maybe different teams needed different areas of assistance, (although I've yet to find a team that isn't looking for more ways to attack the quarterback) I don't really know for sure, there are tons of variables, but in my opinion, Orakpo was far and away the better prospect, yet wasn't even picked in the top ten.
I'll throw out another example, our very own Derrick Morgan. He recorded 18 sacks in two years and was the conference player of the year in the same conference that Quinn failed to dominate. In his senior season, Morgan was the only player on that defensive line worth blocking and yet he still put up monster numbers. Quinn had the benefit of playing with Bruce Carter and Marv Austin, two top NFL prospects to take pressure off of him on the weak side and inside. In two years, Carlos Dunlap racked up 18 sacks in the nation's best conference and didn't even come off the board until the second round. Production doesn't set off an alarm in defensive ends like it does in quarterbacks, but can you honestly say that Quinn has higher upside than Morgan or Dunlap, both of who were picked outside of the top 15? Both had small concerns, for Dunlap it was character, for Morgan it was a lack of experience, but Quinn has a whole laundry list of problems that scream trouble.
As a second round pick, I love Quinn, but let's not kid ourselves, Tennessee needs to absolutely kill it on this pick. A crummy section at eight overall could mean the difference between competing next year or the year after and blowing it all up again.
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Ouch
the second to last sentence of the 1st paragraph after the jump seems harsh
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it’s a terribly sad but true fact. the fact that it may prevent him from playing football doesn’t concern me on the grand scale of things; I’m much more worried about his personal well-being. I didn’t mean for it to seem insensitive, believe me, malignant tumors are certainly not something I take lightly.
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by danielreese05 on Apr 11, 2011 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
i know that you didnt mean it to be like that
but it did seem harsh. but ok, now i don’t think i’d want him any higher than 3rd round.
this post change my perspective of him.
but if he can have it romeved witout any harm or it may even make him better by unrestricting some of his mental limitations.
now that i know this, i want him to succeed.
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Apr 11, 2011 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m not sure it affects his mental health. I really have no idea what the effects of a tumor are, I just know it’s bad news and could have serious repercussions if things go south.
for now, I’m pretty sure it’s been declared benign, but they’re pretty clearly not taking chances if he goes in about once every six months to have it checked out. it’s amazing he’s made it this far. I really do wish him the best of luck with everything.
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by danielreese05 on Apr 11, 2011 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah but also
it could limit his muscular use.
idk much about tumors, but its good to have it be benign.
but i would get it checked often, just in case
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Apr 11, 2011 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Very good analysis on Quinn
It could have been better if you included some of Quinn’s stats against tackle prospects that are projected to go later than Quinn.
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by NJD28 on Apr 11, 2011 8:54 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
here’s the tape of Quinn v. Castonzo. neither one really came out on top, Quinn got a sack but he had to come out pretty far to get it. not too high on Castonzo either so take it for what it’s worth.
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by danielreese05 on Apr 11, 2011 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Well going off that tape I have concluded that:
-Costanzo can’t handle speed rushers.
-Costanzo let Quinn get his hands into him which allowed for Quinn to dominate the backfeild.
-Quinn was consistently collapsing the pocket or making holes for his LB or S to make a play.
-Quinn is a very good technician and has been coached extremely well.
-Quinn posesses that quick first step which allowed him to beat Costanzo cleanly on many occasions.
-Quinn showed great play recognition.
Those are just some things Insaw from this tape alone. I am going to have to see more of Quinn before I am convinced that he is or is not a Top 10 player. However, he does possesses that Top 10 ability he needs to translate that ability to the playing field in order to win my vote. I would like to see game footage of Orakpo and Morgan and compare it to Quinn. That should give me a better idea about what this kid is about.
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by NJD28 on Apr 11, 2011 10:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I kind of disagree, watching some of his stuff makes me think that he’s kind of a one-move player when he gets into trouble, he doesn’t really have the pass rushing moves that you like to see in a top pick. he collapsed the pocket consistently against Boston College, let’s not get too excited. remember that Marv Austin was commanding all of the attention up the middle and he also had a lot of help from a healthy Bruce Carter.
Rak Daddy = a whole different level methinks. this is a highlight tape from his Texas days. you just don’t see guys that size move that fast. Quinn has a very similar physical build to Orakpo, but the difference in measurables kind of astounded me. Orakpo benched the bar 12 more times than Quinn and Quinn beat Orakpo by only about a tenth of a second in the 40. Orakpo’s vert on the other hand was nearly 5 inches higher than Quinn’s.
this is a single play from his pro career. he doesn’t make the stop, he doesn’t really get in the QB’s way, but my god, that’s some power right there.
/mancrush
Morgan against Bulaga.
now, Bulaga is probably twice the tackle Costanzo will every be, but there were some plays where he made Morgan look silly. Derrick made some plays, but wow, great job by Bulaga there. makes Morgan look very one dimensional, he just wouldn’t let him get to the outside.
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by danielreese05 on Apr 11, 2011 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I respect your opinion but I don't see it
Orakpo is hard to compare to Quinn because Quinn prefers to beat you with speed while Orakpo is more of a bull rusher. Both players are sound technicians and are really good with their hands. I think it comes down to flavor. I also got done watching film on Quinn vs. #17 Pitt and Virginia and the reason Quinn wasn’t as productive was because Quinn was double teamed after being chipped by a TE. Now I’m not saying Quinn deserves to be a Top 10 pick but I think he is definitely a first round talent. In order to understand my rationale when I look at film for defensive lineman I look at:
-their first step
-anticipation
-hand placement
-ability to collapse the pocket and make the QB throw it before he wants to (which happened a lot with Quinn, Morgan, and Orakpo)
-Play recognition (disrupt screens, hold their gaps, knowladge of what the offense is doing, ect.)
-Playmaking ability
-Motor
With that being said I think Morgan is the best one out of the bunch because: he was able to beat double teams where as Orakpo did not face many double teams as Morgan did and Quinn struggled with double teams. Morgan also showed me both power and finesse moves that he unleashed on opposing blockers. For instance, in the game against Iowa, although Morgan did not get a ton of sacks he was constantly collapsing the pocket and it resulted in Stanzi’s throws to be a little off. Morgan was very stout against the run and did not give up much ground to Bualga (sp?). This is all in my opinion of course :).
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by NJD28 on Apr 11, 2011 11:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Can't really put my finger on why, but I like Quinn.
In fact I favour him over Fairley. My only concern is I think he’s better suited for the 3-4 rush end position than a 4-3 DE.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Apr 11, 2011 11:15 PM CDT reply actions
I think Quinn is fit for both systems but he would be more effective as a rush LB because he struggles with getting off of double teams
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by NJD28 on Apr 11, 2011 11:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Derrick Morgan
Will benefit from either Quinn or Fairley. I’m happy with either one. Unless Patrick Peterson falls to us, I want one of the two.

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