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I don't think the guy is complete garbage, but he's got to be a contingency option so low that it gets into roman numerals.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 If you're looking for non-labor news this week, it's looking pretty slim. On the labor front you can find good stuff from Don Banks and Jim Trotter/Peter King at SI.com. Somehow I find it hilarious that King just now found out that the mediator being used is the same guy MLS used last year for their labor negotiations (to much acclaim from both sides, btw), when every single media account listed that as the first thing on the guy's resume after both parties agreed to mediation.
Tennessee_titans_30x21 Darren Rovell at CNBC says NFL owners should go ahead and open their books for the union to review, arguing that it's the only way to create a truly fair formula for revenue sharing (the player's are understandably concerned that they're being asked to take less of the money because owners are taking on huge debt to overbuild new stadiums... we're looking at you Jerry Jones).

Tennessee_titans_30x21 Behind the paywall at TitansInsider.com Darren McFarland says he's hearing whispers that some folks at Baptist Sports Park are crushing hard on Jake Locker and Colin Kaepernick. I'm not putting stock in anything of this sort right now because guys haven't had their pro days or been invited for visits to the team's facility. Still, I must say that my stomach churns at the prospect of getting either guy because they're just so unpolished compared to several other guys in this draft. Locker I could stomach in the second round, but not if Ponder or Dalton are there. Kaepernick just feels like another Tavaris Jackson/Omar Jacobs/a million other guys guy who coaches always think they can groom, when in reality it's almost impossible to find a QB who improves that much in such fundamental areas at the pro level. One other related note: Terry McCormick isn't reporting any specific chatter, but he does point out that while Tavaris Jackson was at Arkansas (before he transferred to Alambama St.), he was teammates with current Titans QB coach, and former Arkansas reserve QB, Dowell Loggains.

Star-divide

Tennessee_titans_30x21 UT Chattanooga alum Buster Skrine is getting a lot more looks around the league after putting up the fastest 40 time at the combine. Skrine ran 4.29 and 4.36 seconds, just missing CJ2k's record of 4.24. Skrine did, however, set a much more obscure record: fastest player to win Gramsey's heart.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 Former-Titans Kyle Vanden Bosch and Keith Bulluck are in town working out at D-1 in Franklin. Bulluck is a free agent this off-season, and I'd still argue that he would be a short-term good addition to our LB corps even if he isn't what he used to be back in the day.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 While he's here working out, KVB has been securing a location back in Detroit for his team to work out in the event of a lockout.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 I've watched a little of the UFL, and saying that an NFL lockout would help the UFL is like saying the price of gasoline rising helps propane sales. The UFL isn't going to get big in the US as a fall league. The only other sports leagues that would really seem a boom are the MLB playoffs and college football. The USFL was the last alternative league to the NFL that even vaguely had a shot to solidify a spot in the market, but Donald Trump ran that thing into the ground. Since then, the NFL has just become too big and too popular to be messed with.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 One of SB Nation's writers has the Titans taking Nick Fairley. There's no way he falls that far without failing a drug test or something like that, but if he did he'd have to be out pick in a heartbeat.

 

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Despite his being banged up and maybe not the best on-the-field option, I would have Bulluck back here in a heartbeat.

He is not the same guy who was here two years ago, but even if he just played two downs or short-yardage situations or something along those lines. And from a leadership standpoint he’d immediately command respect and hopefully get the defense accountable again.

Yeah…I’m all for bringing Bulluck back, let him play and lead then ride off into the sunset with the team he made his name with.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Mar 7, 2011 10:49 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

I don't see why not

especially if we could sign him to a 2-3 year contract on the cheap. Bulluck on the down slope of his career is still better then any of the LBs we have on our roster right now.

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by StPrattrick on Mar 7, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions  

me too.

it’d be nice to have another Titans jersey be relevant…
KVB – gone
KB – gone
VY – soon to be gone
CJ2K – PLEASE BREAK THE STREAK!!!!

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by Evanbio on Mar 7, 2011 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

I remember

having to put up the VY jersey, then search my closet to bring it out again, then put ut up again… It’s t-shirts for me now.

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by billycthulhu on Mar 7, 2011 11:09 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Be still my beating heart

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by gramsey712 on Mar 7, 2011 10:52 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

What round do you think he'll go in?

2nd or 3rd? Maybe we could get him in the 3rd/4th (with Moss’s pick extra pick)?

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by StPrattrick on Mar 7, 2011 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

He won't go that high

He is very raw and needs a lot of work in coverage. Very fast, but very raw.

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by gramsey712 on Mar 7, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

I would say yes

But I love him, so I would take him in the 4th!

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by gramsey712 on Mar 7, 2011 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

That's love right there.

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by StPrattrick on Mar 7, 2011 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I highly doubt we'll be looking CB that late.

If we are gonna get a CB, it will be early on cause Peterson fell to us.

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by gramsey712 on Mar 7, 2011 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

WOOT

Patrick Peterson= Next Deion Sanders. Julio Jones sucks.

by trevor2013 on Mar 7, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

That's what I was figuring

We don’t really need a CD with any of the picks unless its for depth, but a 4.29 speed would be hard to pass up in the 4th/5th round I would think.

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by StPrattrick on Mar 7, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

I thought about that after I typed that and you're right.

I don’t see how you pass that up late. Especially a Moc!

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by gramsey712 on Mar 7, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Ment CB haha

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by StPrattrick on Mar 7, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Despite the hubub, Skrine's official time was in the 4.4s

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by DonFrancisco on Mar 7, 2011 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I don't know what that was all about

Maybe off that day, even though he did awesome in every other drill…

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by StPrattrick on Mar 7, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

They reported that the "official electronic timing" equipment was broken

Which is why everyone’s time went up

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by gramsey712 on Mar 7, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

your meat thermometer also went up when Skrine was mentioned in the weekly links

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by DonFrancisco on Mar 7, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Popped. Fo sho.

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by gramsey712 on Mar 7, 2011 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

If you're talking CBs in the 4th....

take a look at Curtis Marsh (Utah State)….he’s 6’ 1" and at 197lbs. runs a 4:42

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by titansfan4ever on Mar 7, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

OR.....if you're looking to replace Hope....

how about Robert Sands (West Virginia)….he’s 6’ 4" (217 lbs.) & runs a 4:53

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by titansfan4ever on Mar 7, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Colin Kaepernick

My least favorite QB of all of them

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by JustinS on Mar 7, 2011 11:03 AM CST reply actions  

which is of course why TN will draft him :(

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by rothbard on Mar 7, 2011 11:35 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Kaepernick

I love the kid, he will be good. That is all.

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by MarkusInSaratoga on Mar 7, 2011 11:06 AM CST reply actions  

his arm is huge, and he's a fast scrambler

but that’s about it. He played in a Pistol offense that is nothing like an NFL scheme, and his mechanics are not consistent at all from the bits of his workouts I’ve seen…

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by August West on Mar 7, 2011 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

this seals it

we just have completely opposite things we look for in QBs.

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by August West on Mar 7, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

well

While Ponder got the Senior Bowl accolades, he stunk. I watched the game. His throws were short and the WR’s made him look good. Kaepernick looked great at LEADING the team and making clutch plays. He has a better arm than most of the QB’s, and can scramble. Lastly, it was his leadership and command/control of the Nevada offense that enabled his team to beat a top 5 Boise State team. Nevada had no business being within 30 points of Boise St. that game. He’s a gamer. I like him best, followed by Dalton and Locker. I also wouldn’t mnd seeing Tyrod Taylor in the later rounds (late 5th, 6th or 7th). He is accurate and mobile, probably one of the more accurate QB’s in the draft.

What I want is VY to finish his contract, then leave. He gives us the best option NOW, and if/when he walks after his contract we get a nice compensatory pick. What I don’t want is a 3rd round talent taken in the 1st or 2nd round.

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by MarkusInSaratoga on Mar 7, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Really, you thought a guys showed 'leadership' in the Senior Bowl game?

You do realize he went 4 for 9 with an INT, right? That must explain why you want VY back…

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by August West on Mar 7, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, Dalton, Ponder >> Locker

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by rothbard on Mar 7, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

As a passer Mallett destroys everyone in this draft, and it isn't even close,

but it’s a complete roll of the dice when it comes to his character/reliability. If he does straighten up and/or all of this chatter is overblown he’s easily going to be the best in this class, but he could also be the first of the guys taken in the top half of the draft to get run out of the league. It’s like that article I linked a few weeks ago said: there hasn’t been a high 1st round bust at QB in about 3 years, and a lot of that has to do with how much stock teams are putting into the behind the scenes behavior of a QB. It’s not enough to be wild but not get arrested anymore.

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by August West on Mar 7, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I just never like 'project' QBs

who have to really improve accuracy and how they read defenses. Does anyone remember a project guy who was picked in the first two rounds that developed into a top 15 starter for the team that drafted them?

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by August West on Mar 7, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

So that's 1 for

Arguments against I’d say (just off of the top of my head): Omar Jacobs, Tavaris Jackson, J.P. Losman, VY, Byron Leftwich… etc.

That being said, I’m WAY higher on Locker than Kaepernick. I can see how Locker is a late-first, early-second guy

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by August West on Mar 7, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

VY turned into a top 15 starter if it wasn't for his off field issues

which your original comment was about improving accuracy and reading defenses, he definitely did improve last year. (I’m not trying to start another VY battle, I am just saying if it wasn’t for his off field antics, including preparing for games, it’s not like he was a project that didn’t pan out)
and Byron Leftwich wasn’t exactly a fail for the Jaguars either, just could never stay healthy…

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by StPrattrick on Mar 7, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I've posted a similar thought that relates to this on another site...I've been crusading across SB Nation trying to find someone that can explain Gabbert's hype. Still haven't found it.

Back to the point though: I tend to believe that these so called “experts” have an incentive to not rock the boat. In my search for “draft truth” over the past week, one of the most common responses is, “Why should I believe you over Mike Mayock?” Or, “Why, then, do draft experts have (insert draft prospect) rated so high?”

I think the culture created among not only draft analysts, but just NFL culture in general, is a constant effort to avoid being contrarian, yet look smart at the same time. It’s a fine art of toeing the line between being different enough to make yourself stand out, yet not radical enough that you’ll lose your job if you’re wrong.

In our example, let’s say Mayock thinks Dalton or Ponder are the best prospects in the draft. Even if he feels really good about those prospects, the likelyhood of them panning out is still just 75% by the best projections. More likely, it’s closer to 50%. So what does he serve to gain? If he’s right, he can point to that for a while, but it’s not going to lead to any career advancement. Alternatively, if he’s wrong, and, more importantly, if he was wrong consistently, then his career is at risk. Or, more likely, he just ends up looking like and idiot, and the clip gets played over and over like the Kiper clip regarding Ryan Leaf.

by SuperHorn on Mar 7, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Regarding Gabbert

Accuracy: Regularly shows the ability to place the ball on his target’s numbers, though most of his best throws came within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage because of the Missouri spread offense. Throws darts to either side of the field on short timing routes and passes between the hashes. Gives his receivers a chance to make a play after the catch on crossing routes, leading them perfectly when he’s comfortable in the pocket. Arm Strength: Has a solid NFL arm and throws a tight spiral, giving him the capability to stretch the field horizontally and vertically. Threads the ball between the corner and safety against cover-two and needles the ball through tight windows over the middle. Flashes nice touch on seam throws to the tight end. On the Move: Nice athlete for a quarterback his size, makes plays outside the pocket and able to pick up more than a first down on the run. Shows some elusiveness in the pocket, but chooses to run outside rather than step up to find a receiver. Falls forward for first downs, but must learn how to push the pile on sneaks. Willing to throw the ball away if nothing is available.

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by titansfan4ever on Mar 7, 2011 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Cite?

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by rothbard on Mar 7, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

CBS Sports.com

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by titansfan4ever on Mar 7, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Good question....

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by JustinS on Mar 7, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Dalton

Ponder’s arm injuries scare me. Right now that’s probably the biggest thing separating them… that and I was very impressed by Dalton’s deep ball at the combine. Ponder is one of the best short-area guys available, which for some reason is under-appreciated in the draft, but not in the league.

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by August West on Mar 7, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

I feel the same about Ponder...

that injury scares the hell out of me, but I beleive if he was completly healthy and never had that problem, he would be in the first round for sure.

by bullrider73 on Mar 7, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind taking Locker....but...

he’ll be gone by the time we pick at no.39…..and I can’t see taking him at no.8, considering the level of talent that should be there at no.8

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by titansfan4ever on Mar 7, 2011 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think he did in college

but he did have one big injury before he joined the Saints. He’s the rare case that came back stronger after surgery. I think Ponder has already had a few injuries to his throwing shoulder or arm (don’t have time to look up the exact injury at the moment)…

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by August West on Mar 7, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

There's also Sam Bradford

Shoulder injury and only played in a couple of games his last college season…yet, looked just fine this first year.

You should never knock a guy for injuries unless the doctors say there is something systemically wrong…and, by all accounts, I have not heard any long-term damage to Ponder’s shoulder.

So, I would have his injury concern as a low-grade issue…that’s why I would still consider him in the 2nd round (or late 1st if the Titans do some trading).

by shawneriksmith on Mar 7, 2011 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

oh I agree on the injury thing

only teams get to see the physicals and medical records, and it’s impossible for fans to know for sure. All we can do is listen to the reports that trickle in, and I know teams were leary of him before the physicals at the combine. It’ll be interesting to see how those turn out, because they could make all the difference in where he goes.

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by August West on Mar 7, 2011 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

He did when he was a FA.

Allegedly it worried the Dolphins and that’s why they signed I believe it was Culpepper over Brees. What could’ve been…

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by ronburgundy7427 on Mar 7, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

If we truly are crushing on Locker and Kaepernick

What does that say about our QB evaluation? Nobody cares about footwork or accuracy issues? Not that promising.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Mar 7, 2011 12:13 PM CST reply actions  

I just can't, for the life of me see why anyone would be high on Locker.

I keep trying to be open minded about it, but no matter how much I watch him I can’t figure it out. Hopefully there is a reason I’m posting on this blog and not coaching for the Titans

by fsucj2431 on Mar 7, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

some things

can be corrected with coaching, some cannot. Quickness and mobility cannot be taught. footwork and accuracy can. With the league getting stronger ad faster, the Manning/Brady/Bledsoe days are over. Statues and guys with weak arms (Ponder) are liabilities. If we don’t get a QB that can evade Mathis/Freeney or Super Mrio and whoever they draft, we are in trouble.

Look at Rodgers and Brees. Strong arms, and can scramble to extend the play. While Ponder can scramble, his arm stinks. Want to be infuriated with the offensive play calling again? Remember the Jets/Dolphins fans lamenting about Pennington because how limited the offense bacame, never being able to get the ball more than 30 yards downfield? Ponder becomes a liability to CJ as well.

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by MarkusInSaratoga on Mar 7, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

The Manning/Brady days are over? Really?

I give you Rodgers scrambling is good, but he is also accurate. Drew Brees has always been exceedingly accurate and he is NOT a scrambler. 18 attempts for -3 yards this year. You know who had more rushing yards than that? Peyton Manning. One QB that CAN scramble (As in not a dominant part of his game) wins a superbowl and suddenly anyone that plays like Manning or Brady sucks? Give me a break. Locker has terrible accuracy issues and Kaepernick actually had to scramble ALOT from the pistol offense. There is no way you take them just because you think you can magically fix their GLARING issues.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Mar 7, 2011 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

More importantly, I don't think the Titans are a team that is built around a statue pocket passer

I wouldn’t say their days are over, but I do think QBs being able to extend the play and not be 1 dimensional is the next uber-trend of the NFL.

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by StPrattrick on Mar 7, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Our Olinemen

especiallya rent, we are a run oriented team based on personel.

Moat of our roster players are small compared to most other teams

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Mar 7, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Is that English?

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by StPrattrick on Mar 7, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

my keyboard has the duslin

ecxuse me.

Arent, most
there ya go

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Mar 7, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh no, it caught the Duslin-virus! Kill it! Kill it!

No, I agree with you though. Our O-line is run based and we have relatively mobile players so in the event the QB does scramble they are able to adjust to pick up the blitz’s. Creating a pocket like the Colts do isn’t are strongest spot, but keeping defenders away from the QB while he moves around we do a pretty decent job at.

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by StPrattrick on Mar 7, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

WOW......keyboards!!

wat appens whn all da keybords brak…wat u gonna do then?

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by titansfan4ever on Mar 7, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

uhhhh i dunno

maybee i can tipe it on a tipewhryter and it can com up on here to the internet and thang.

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Mar 7, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

u may thnk i'm tring to start somthin.....

and mybe i am

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by titansfan4ever on Mar 7, 2011 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Muha! >:(

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Mar 7, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

"With the league getting stronger ad faster, the Manning/Brady/Bledsoe days are over."

WOW. You should change that to your signature.

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by August West on Mar 7, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

evolution

they watched the SB from their couch. Brady’s inability to escape vs. the Jets cost them the game (5 sacks).

while they are HOF QBs, the league is/will evolve. How long before DEs that are 6’3"/280 run consistent 4.5-4.6 40’s? 20 years ago if you said they would run 4.7’s and 4’8’s you would have been called crazy.

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by MarkusInSaratoga on Mar 7, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Or...the Jets have a really good defense designed to get pressure on the QB, and the Pats O-line couldn't get the job done blocking.

Saying the days of that kind of QB are over just because a QB with a different style won this year’s SB is rather alarmist and short-sighted.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Mar 7, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

quite frankly

I think seeing that a QB with the ability to scramble is long-sighted in assuming the athletes are getting stronger and faster. I don’t want an immobile accurate QB (Mallet), and I don’t want a mobile QB who can’t get the ball down field (Ponder).

Mobility and arm strength cannot be fixed thorugh coaching.

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by MarkusInSaratoga on Mar 7, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll agree on your second point, can't teach either of those.

As to the first, it just depends on a myriad of factors. Manning is not a “mobile” QB but is just as effective because he gets rid of the ball so quick. And if we’re talking about those “pocket QBs” being on the way out, Atlanta must’ve missed the memo…I don’t think Matt Ryan is exactly a mobile guy and he was just drafted in 2008.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Mar 7, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

TRUE

Ryan was 1 and done in an underwhelming performance.

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by MarkusInSaratoga on Mar 7, 2011 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Led his team to a 13-3 record and division title.

Not bad for a third-year pro on a young franchise who really doesn’t have a lot of weapons outside of one WR and an aging TE.

A mobile QB can be advantageous, but does not “future proof” in any sort of way. It’s just one factor amongst many, we’ve seen mobile QBs flame out (Young here, for example) and pocket QBs do atrocious (JaMarcus Robustsell). It’s just hard to say whether a QB is mobile or not is going to help or hurt their long-term outlook.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Mar 7, 2011 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

BS.

Fans have been saying this dumb ‘every QB is going to be mobile’ since Michael Vick entered the draft, and it hasn’t come close to happening yet. Big Ben doesn’t scramble, he’s just a huge dude that’s hard to tackle. Rodgers can scoot, but I’d say the fact that he threw for almost 4,000 yards helped his team a lot more than the 300 or so he ran for.

Mobility is a nice throw-in skill for a QB, but it’s easily 8th or so on the list of things a good scout, or even fan, should look for. Footwork, Accuracy, Arm Strength, Pocket Awareness, Height, Release Point, Consistency in Mechanics and Play Recognition are all more important, and that’s not even getting into the intangibles.

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by August West on Mar 7, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Mobility does not = rushing attempts/yards

Mobility is sliding in and getting the heck out of the pocket. Wanna know what’s going to be funny? After all this “this guy is who we need, no this guy, no way-that guy sucks” stuff, we probably won’t draft any of them.

Here is what we will do: Bring in a vet to stink up the joint, groom Rusty while getting 4 or 5 wins in a “re-building year”, and then giving Rusty the start in ’12…to the tune of 4-12.

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by MarkusInSaratoga on Mar 7, 2011 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Munchak has made it very clear finding a QB of the future is critical.

There is no way he gambles his whole head coaching career on Rusty Smith.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Mar 7, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

THE ONLY WAY

Munchy can guarantee a QB in the draft is to take one #8. If there is a run on QB’s between our 1st pick and our 2nd, there’s nothing he can do.

All I want is a good D and a few wins in ’11.

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by MarkusInSaratoga on Mar 7, 2011 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

There will be several QBs left at 39 still.

There is no way Gabbert, Locker, Newton, Mallett, Dalton, Ponder, Stanzi, and Kaepernick all go in the first round.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Mar 7, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

true

but it is hard to tell. And you never want to take one just because you need one. I would only consider Kaepernick, Dalton, and Locker, with Tyrod Taylor in mind for later rounds. People sleep on Taylor…he is real good, just small-ish. Gabbert is unproven, and could’t put up monster stats vs. crappy competition, Mallet has issues, Newton has too many question marks and only 1 year under his belt (2 if you count JuCo), Ponder is Pennington-esque, And I will NEVER understand why people think Stanzi is any good…at all.

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by MarkusInSaratoga on Mar 7, 2011 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I wonder how many people simultaneously lost their lunches while reading that?

You might have set a MCM record with that one!

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by StPrattrick on Mar 7, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Well that's just a "glass half full" outlook right there.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Mar 7, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

so

are you implying that the 4 wins with Rusty in ’12 is the “glass half full” mentality, or the 4 wins with a vet? hahaha

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by MarkusInSaratoga on Mar 7, 2011 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

No, mobility, in the way every other person uses it, is taking off and running

What you’re talking about isn’t mobility. Tom Brady is the master of that, and you won’t find one person outside of Brian Urlacher who would call him mobile (Ha! made my point and paid-off my f’-up below!).

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by August West on Mar 7, 2011 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Escapability

if you can call that a word?

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by StPrattrick on Mar 7, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

that's a good one.

Escapable QB.

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by MarkusInSaratoga on Mar 7, 2011 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

no way

to debate the football meaning of “mobile QB”. So I will begin referencing my definition of “mobile QB” as “An Extender”-one that can move OUT of the pocket, buy time by bootlegging, and firing the ball down field.

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by MarkusInSaratoga on Mar 7, 2011 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

know who sure as hell can't scramble?

Joe Flacco and Phillip Rivers off the top of my head, but I’d build a franchise based around either of them any day of the week.

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by danielreese05 on Mar 7, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Joe Flacco?

meh…
I don’t know what it is about him, he just never seems like he does anything. He’s probably the most boring QB i’ve ever seen in the NFL.

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by StPrattrick on Mar 7, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

It helps when you've got that defense and Ray Rice.

He is not only boring, but I think overrated simply because of the team he plays for and because he is better than Kyle Boller, Trent Dilfer and Elvis Grbac in their recent QB history.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Mar 7, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

It’s nice when your Defense gives you every chance in the world to win a ball game so when you screw up you know you are actually placing the strength of the team back out on the field.
And it helps you have an unstoppable human bowling ball for a running back…

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by StPrattrick on Mar 7, 2011 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Quick release is the key...

like Dan Marino….he couldn’t scramble either, but he rarely got sacked cuz he had such a quick release.

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by titansfan4ever on Mar 7, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

To which Joe Flacco does not posses

40 something sacks last year…

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by StPrattrick on Mar 7, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

But, on the bright side...

he’s almost guaranteed a job with ESPN in a few years.

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by titansfan4ever on Mar 7, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

their defense just isn't that good anymore

their pass defense was actually just flat out bad last year. still solid against the run, but they really laid an egg against Pittsburgh in the playoffs.

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by danielreese05 on Mar 7, 2011 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll give you that, I think they've gotten by on reputation for a few years now.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Mar 7, 2011 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

by a long shot

Ed Reed, Suggs and Ngata are the only credible players left on that team out of the veterans and all the rookies they bring in are crap.

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by danielreese05 on Mar 7, 2011 5:07 PM CST up reply actions  

fine, put it this way

say that, somehow, Flacco and Kaeperlotsofotherconsonants are in the same draft together. someone puts a gun to your head and tells you to pick. I want Flacco every time.

his career stats aren’t overwhelming, but he got it done. 25 TDs, 3700 yards, 10 picks, completes about 63% of his passes, and he’s won his share of playoff games. say what you will about that 08 divisional game, if Flacco had crumbled they wouldn’t have had a chance.

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by danielreese05 on Mar 7, 2011 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh no I actually think that is the only thing Flacco does well

Is not crumble, but he also won’t pull a win out of his ass. He just does was a QB is suppose to do, nothing more nothing less. I guess that is what you want out of your QB but like I said, he is just meh.

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by StPrattrick on Mar 7, 2011 7:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe I missed it

but when did they last won anything? Rivers (I do like him, and he is more mobile than you are giving him credit for) didn’t even make the playoffs.

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by MarkusInSaratoga on Mar 7, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

won=win

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by MarkusInSaratoga on Mar 7, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

There are 52 guys on that roster you can blame for that before you bring up Rivers

and I can’t stand that asshole. Hell, I’d blame Norv Turner, who hasn’t won anything in decades (save for the playoff game he was lucky enough to coach against VY), before I’d blame any of those players.

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by August West on Mar 7, 2011 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

actually

Turner coached against Fisher. MUHA!

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by MarkusInSaratoga on Mar 7, 2011 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

/facepalm

complete revisionist history. Damned near everything after that they share the blame, but ‘big game’ VY cowered like a whipped dog in that game.

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by August West on Mar 7, 2011 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not going to defend VY on that one.

Fisher’s gameplan was a FAIL. And VY did not deliver.

However, he did in the regular season in’10, but the D forgot that there is a 2nd half in football and did nopt play.

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by MarkusInSaratoga on Mar 7, 2011 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Getting the owners to open their books?????

You’re kidding, right? You’d have a better chance of getting Bud to sign Antonio Holmes to some gazillion dollar contract…..in other words….when pigs fly!!

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by titansfan4ever on Mar 7, 2011 12:42 PM CST reply actions  

Who'

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by StPrattrick on Mar 7, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

my bad...you know who I mean.

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by titansfan4ever on Mar 7, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I should call him Sanantonio Holmes....

since that’s where I’m from.

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by titansfan4ever on Mar 7, 2011 12:49 PM CST reply actions  

Who's Barry Badrinath?

We should put him on our team

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by StPrattrick on Mar 7, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Who really wants any of these washed up non ring wearing QBs

I want someone new and I don’t give a damn when we draft them. Draft the best player on the board in the first no matter what position he plays. Who ever suggested Joe flucco can eat me. I want no ratbird criminals on the new coaches watch. I really do not care which QB we draft I can’t wait to see him play and grow and maybe develop some loyalty to this team. I can easily stomach 6-10 with a rookie QB and head coach. There all a damn sight better than the crap Ive been watching for the last 5 years even a stoned Mallet would be more fun to watch than anything we have seen in a long time. Fisher time is dead lets think new and different.

by thealmightyearl34 on Mar 7, 2011 2:42 PM CST reply actions  

Go be a Browns fan...

I just want a team that plays meaningful December Football. I really dont care if we do it 4 or 40 yards at a time.

by titanfannyc on Mar 7, 2011 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I am pretty sure that is just what I said

Aren’t there a couple of teams from NYC you could pull for?

by thealmightyearl34 on Mar 8, 2011 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

I actually don't think I suggested Flacco at all

just saying that a non-mobile QB can have success in the pros. although I do think you’d have to be borderline insane to not take him over our current situation/any one of these QBs in the draft.

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by danielreese05 on Mar 7, 2011 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I am sorry for that mistake

There is just a lot of pulling for other teams QBs on here and only scanned that name. My point is if we have to teach a new system to a QB shouldn’t he be a new guy that may stick around rather than a guy from another team. I have always been of the philosophy that teams don’t let good QBs go without a damn good reason. And other than Drew Brees I struggle to find many examples of QBs changing teams and being much better than a rookie.

by thealmightyearl34 on Mar 8, 2011 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

no biggie

and I agree with you, continuity at that position is vital

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by danielreese05 on Mar 8, 2011 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

thank you

I wish I had distilled it down to that concise of a point. I tip my hat to you, sir.

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by August West on Mar 7, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Is Gabbert still your pick? What's his accuracy look like?

I’m still with Dalton simply based on production and value in probably being able to grab him in the second.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Mar 7, 2011 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd take either Gabbert or Dalton.

I think we’re in a good scenario. We’re either going to have a defensive stud available at 8 (at which point I’d grab them) or, if all the D studs go early, we’ll have the opportunity to grab the top QB in the draft in Gabbert. If we take a D guy at 8, there is no way I’m letting Dalton get past 39.

Gabbert’s accuracy is 60.9% for his career. The most recent year was 58.9%, which is somewhat concerning, but overall its alright.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Mar 7, 2011 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Bah! I'll lose my lunch if we take this guy.

I’d rather they take Cam Newton.

Yes, seriously.

by SuperHorn on Mar 7, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Yuck.

Gabbert, Dalton and Ponder are the only three I’d consider for our team. I will be depressed if we come away with anyone else.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Mar 7, 2011 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

You'll like this article.

This dude has got a “new” system for evaluating Qbs. It basically combines the Parcells formula with the 26-27-60 formula.

Take it for what it’s worth. As people do this more and more, I’ve begun to realize that NONE of these formulas have ever turned out to be remotely predictive. They just work well give the small data set (generally the past 10 years).

That said, this was the first place I’ve seen that predicts Ricky Stanzi as the top guy. Interesting read. Check it out…

*Side note: He hasn’t plugged in Dalton yet.

by SuperHorn on Mar 7, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

It was definitely a good read.

I like how he weights his system to throw out games against weak competition, and places emphasis on important games.

I’m not really on board with Stanzi but I don’t know much about him. He checks out stats-wise, but I don’t see enough potential to grow in him. I see him as a good backup one day and maybe an alright starter, but I don’t see him being able to vault himself into the elite category of QBs.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Mar 7, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Stanzi

I’m not a fan of what I’ve seen, but I’ll admit that I’m not glued to the TV when Iowa comes on. Maybe he’s better than I give him credit for though…

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by August West on Mar 7, 2011 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

C'mon SuperHorn

isn’t clear by now that Gabbert is obviously the best QB in the draft?

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by rothbard on Mar 7, 2011 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

It's the throw it hard or go home philosophy

Hit the target? Doesn’t matter as long as there is a sonic boom as it flies over their head

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by rothbard on Mar 7, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

It's like they say

old white men wearing sweat pants holding a stop clock chicks dig the long ball

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by August West on Mar 7, 2011 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

As opposed to what

Years and years of only throwing to one side of the field. Or fumbling 5 times a game.

by thealmightyearl34 on Mar 7, 2011 3:01 PM CST reply actions  

I was searching some old scouting reports of Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Drew Brees

Here is Tom Brady’s:

Tom Brady Positives: Good height to see the field. Very poised and composed. Smart and alert. Can read coverages. Good accuracy and touch. Produces in big spots and in big games. Has some Brian Griese in him and is a gamer. Generally plays within himself. Team leader.

Negatives: Poor build. Very skinny and narrow. Ended the ‘99 season weighing 195 pounds and still looks like a rail at 211. Looks a little frail and lacks great physical stature and strength. Can get pushed down more easily than you’d like. Lacks mobility and ability to avoid the rush. Lacks a really strong arm. Can’t drive the ball down the field and does not throw a really tight spiral. System-type player who can get exposed if he must ad-lib and do things on his own.

Summary: Is not what you’re looking for in terms of physical stature, strength, arm strength and mobility, but he has the intangibles and production and showed great Griese-like improvement as a senior. Could make it in the right system but will not be for everyone.

Here is Peyton Manning’s:

Manning is probably the most prepared QB to enter the NFL draft in several years.. He has had a storybook college career, and has been in a top level program with excellent coaching, and he has maturity and great intangibles to go along with his natural skills.. He should be able to pick up the mental aspects of the game early on the NFL level, and should play very quickly. He has great overall field vision. He is a fierce competitor, and all of his mechanics are very solid. He has good arm strength, but not necessarily a "gun" that you might expect from a QB at the top of the draft.. He has adequate mobility and good overall AA, although he is not a scrambler by nature. He has done an excellent job of getting the most out of his abilities, but he is not quite as natural a player as Leaf. One question that some NFL scouts have is the question "will he get any better?". At times he gives the appearance of being a self-made player, and sometimes those types of players don’t always go on to great NFL careers. In Manning’s case, he may be a solid and productive NFL QB, but he may not have Hall of Fame type skills, but it certainly won’t be for lack of effort.. He has probably been the most scouted player in the draft in recent years, and because that NFL teams tend to look too much at potential flaws, instead of accepting him for what he is, a great college QB that is on his way to an outstanding NFL career.

Here is Drew Brees:

Positives… Touch passer with the ability to read and diagnose defensive coverages…Confident leader who knows how to take command in the huddle…Very tough and mobile moving around in the pocket…Has a quick setup and is very effective throwing on the move… Throws across his body with great consistency…Hits receivers in stride and improvises his throws in order to make a completion…Puts good zip behind the short and mid-range passes…Shows good judgement and keen field vision…Has a take-charge attitude and is very cool under pressure…Hits receivers in motion with impressive velocity…Has superb pocket presence and uses all of his offensive weapons in order to move the chains…Has solid body mechanics and quickness moving away from center…Elusive scrambler with the body control to avoid the rush.
Negatives…Plays in the spread offense, taking the bulk of his snaps from the shotgun…Tends to side-arm his passes going deep…Lacks accuracy and touch on his long throws…Seems more comfortable in the short/intermediate passing attack…Does not possess the ideal height you look for in a pro passer, though his ability to scan the field helps him compensate in this area…Will improvise and run when the passing lanes are clogged, but tends to run through defenders rather than trying to avoid them to prevent unnecessary punishment.

Just for comparison sake to what we are hearing about guys now…(sorry for the long post)

by shawneriksmith on Mar 7, 2011 3:04 PM CST reply actions  

Brady must have thrown terribly on his pro day or something

because that does not sound like the report for a 6th round guy. Interesting. Hang on, who called Tom Brady an ‘elusive scrambler’? Was it Brian Urlacher?

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by August West on Mar 7, 2011 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Ugh, thought that said Brady, not Brees

FML.

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by August West on Mar 7, 2011 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

August has been drinking!

He’s been compromised!!

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by StPrattrick on Mar 7, 2011 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Nah, I just saw the Brady thing at the top of it

and went too fast after I came back to this page.

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by August West on Mar 7, 2011 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

in other words

it doesn’t matter. Just draft a guy and do like Charlie Sheen, go Nike on everybody…Just Do It!

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by MarkusInSaratoga on Mar 7, 2011 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Brees was the 1st pick in the 2nd round

though he really sucked his first 3 years in the league… there’s a reason the Chargers wanted Eli, then settled on Rivers.

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by August West on Mar 7, 2011 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Honest question: Do you guys think we're considering Locker at 8?

I don’t think he’ll be there at 39 since there are several teams that could take a look at him in the late first/very early second, but I will question Reinfeldt’s sanity if he’s thinking Locker at 8.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Mar 7, 2011 3:20 PM CST reply actions  

I think it's a possibility, not that I am saying I agree with it

He’s been rising on the draft boards quite a bit lately and he is doing what he has to do to make sure his stock rises. It’s funny, it seems like he is doing everything correctly right now to secure a better draft spot while Cam Newton is doing nearly everything incorrectly or not the way they predicted, but he’ll still go in the top 5…

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by StPrattrick on Mar 7, 2011 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Every time I hear about Locker though, its always "He'll have to do better next time."

“Well his most recent season was mediocre, but he’ll have to prove himself at the Senior Bowl.”
“Well his Senior Bowl performance was mediocre, but he’ll have to prove himself at the Combine.”

He finally ended up having a good day at the Combine, but I don’t think its a coincidence that he looked best with no defense on the field.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Mar 7, 2011 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely.

You’re going to hate me for saying this, but Mayock’s got to see something on Gabbert’s tape though to rate him so highly? How do you explain that? Mayock doesn’t usually just follow the pack. He’s got Dareus over Fairley, and last year he put McCoy ahead of Suh. That may somewhat counter my argument, seeing as Suh seems like a much better pick right now, but the point is that Mayock’s not going off what he hears from somescoutingsite.com, but rather what he sees on film.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Mar 7, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe because it makes for good ratings?

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by rothbard on Mar 7, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Would someone stop watching if Mayock had put Fairley over Dareus?

And what benefit could it be to Mayock if he’s proven wrong over and over again? I think its fairly easy to see that Mayock’s opinion holds a lot of weight, considering he was the last guy interviewed at the Combine every day. The media (yes I realize you’ll have a problem with this) listens intently because he’s seen as a draft expert. If he is doing his rankings just to cause a stir, and then looks ridiculous, it will only hurt him. He’ll no longer be seen as the go-to guy for draft information, which in turn will hinder his career.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Mar 7, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

He is part of the media

He has to have something to talk about. If everyone had the exact same draft board it would get dull quick. It’s worked so far, everyone is talking about what so-so draft expert thinks, including you. Mission accomplished ;p

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by rothbard on Mar 7, 2011 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

That being said,

I wonder how often that does happen…? I mean I know these “draft experts” street cred is on the line, but really we know half of their opinions are straight bullshit anyways and they still have jobs…

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by StPrattrick on Mar 7, 2011 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Kiper is dirty...he was implicated in that SI story by the former agent.

I don’t believe for a second that these guys are being honest because it doesn’t matter at all.

All it does is provide discussion fodder for us before the draft. Everybody knows that teams don’t pay attention to their foolishness.

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Agreed.

But still.

by gramsey712 on Mar 7, 2011 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

True and I really hope your right

But I do think a public cry for a certain player could sway a pick. i.e. Tebow last year…
As much as it is bullshit (mock drafts and all) I think it could still effect an outcome in a sense.

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by StPrattrick on Mar 7, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Kiper can go to hell

I rocked his kid in a JV game last year and he started cursing at me from his press box.

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by danielreese05 on Mar 7, 2011 5:05 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Please tell me your 28 years old too

and his kid is just a douche so you ran out onto the field to level him. ahhhhhh I hope!

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by StPrattrick on Mar 7, 2011 7:05 PM CST up reply actions  

yes

that’s exactly what happened.

but you’re half right, his kid is kind of a douche. it was an onside kick so instead of going for the ball I just put my facemask on his and just drilled him. hardest hit of my entire life, chipped the paint off his helmet and sent his mouthguard 10 yards out of bounds.

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by danielreese05 on Mar 7, 2011 7:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Perfect

I hope Kiper himself felt it.

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by StPrattrick on Mar 7, 2011 7:13 PM CST up reply actions  

if it made him mad enough to cuss out a 15 year old

I’m sure I struck a nerve somewhere.

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by danielreese05 on Mar 7, 2011 7:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he serves too much to lose by going completely against what every other "guru" is saying.

IME, none of these draft experts ever just drop the top guys off their board. They all generally keep them within the preset “tiers”. That is to say that I would never expect for Mayock to throw Dalton or Ponder above Gabbert. For one, he’s not going to get drafted higher, and part of Mayock’s job is to be predictive. And two, there’s too much risk if he’s wrong.

Mayock is better off “rocking the boat” by mixing around the guys at the top.

by SuperHorn on Mar 7, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

He serves to lose though if Gabbert turns out to be a massive bust.

The less accurate his predictions are, the less people will care about them.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Mar 7, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Not as much as he would if he bumped Gabbert/Ponder above everyone else, and they ended up being a bust.

“We were all wrong last year.” sounds a whole lot better than “I was the only one wrong last year.”

by SuperHorn on Mar 7, 2011 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll also add that I realize this has a "conspiracy theory" feel to it.

He likely doesn’t have any sort of an agenda, but experts are constantly wrong across all industries. I think as a general rule people ought to think for themselves, especially when the so called experts (in this case) are probably only right 50% of the time.

by SuperHorn on Mar 7, 2011 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

But that's just it- we're thinking for ourselves, so I think its safe to say Mayock is as well.

Its not like he’s a Mizzou alum who might be moving Gabbert up high to help his alma mater. I must admit it does have a conspiracy feel to me right now.

In Reinfeldt We Trust

by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Mar 7, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Are you?

Sorry if that sounds condescending, but the only real retort I’ve heard from you, and others, regarding Gabbert’s piss poor Jr. year is, “Mayock says so.”

by SuperHorn on Mar 7, 2011 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, yes I am.

I usually form an opinion of possible draftees from gathering information from as many sources as possible (Mayock included) and whatever first-hand info I have.

In Reinfeldt We Trust

by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Mar 7, 2011 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

From the post last week, how, then, do you explain away this:
elow are how Gabbert stacked up against the rest of the nation this year in passing categories.

QB Rating: 64th

Yards/Game: 25th

Yards/Attempt: 78th

Completion %: 32nd

TDs: 57th

INTs: 41st

Yards: 21st

by SuperHorn on Mar 7, 2011 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure ranking him against the other QBs is the best measure of his stats.

TDS, INTs, yards rankings- Not really important.
Completion%- this is what I’m most concerned about. He’s barely over 60 for his career, yet most scouting reports of him aren’t concerned too much with his accuracy.

I’m not sure what to make of the other rankings. The thing with college football is that there are a variety of schemes and leagues, which affect the rankings a bit.

In Reinfeldt We Trust

by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Mar 7, 2011 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

But he was 32nd in the nation in completion %

In a spread offense with a lot of short/intermediate throws that are supposed to help a QB’s completion percentage. Colt McCoy, Sam Bradford, Chase Daniels have all had completion percentages >65% in similar type offenses…and, yet, only one of those players were selected in the 1st round.

And, to me, TDs and INTs are more than “not really important”. They are everything…especially, if you are a QB that does not have a high completion percentage. I want a QB who puts the ball in the end zone and who keeps it away from the opponent…Gabbert is not one of those QBs.

by shawneriksmith on Mar 7, 2011 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

TDs and INTs are important, but not how the TDs compare to other QBs.

There is just so much variance between team offenses.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Mar 7, 2011 5:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Re;
There is just so much variance between team offenses.

That’s such a cop out, though. You’re having your cake and eating it too.

One side of your mouth: Offenses are different and can’t be relied upon for comparison.
Out of the other: Gabbert’s completion percentage is solid enough. (Which completely ignores the fact that he’s in an offense designed around a short passing game, and, thus, would generate a higher completion percentage!)

by SuperHorn on Mar 7, 2011 5:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Just watched Path to the Draft on NFLN.

Lombardi gushed about Gabbert. And, just fyi, he has Ponder over Locker. Guess he’s thinking for himself.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Mar 7, 2011 6:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Super.

I think my draft analyst herding theory side tracked us a little.

The real point I’m making is that I believe you should make these opinions on your own. Or at the very least evaluate the experts opinions. I suspect that if you were without access to these talking heads that Gabbert wouldn’t even be in your top 5. Possibly not even top 10.

by SuperHorn on Mar 7, 2011 7:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Without the talking heads,

the only QB I probably would have heard of was Andy Dalton, and that’s simply because of I like to see the non-BCS teams do well. I don’t watch much college football, and so yes I do listen quite a bit to the talking heads. I take into account what they say, along with all the stats I’ve gone over, whatever game film I’ve seen, and add a little of my own opinion and impression of the QB to form my complete view on a player.

In Reinfeldt We Trust

by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Mar 7, 2011 9:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Re:
The thing with college football is that there are a variety of schemes and leagues, which affect the rankings a bit.

That’s the red flag. He’s in one of those schemes that produces inflated numbers, yet the numbers we see are just the opposite.

by SuperHorn on Mar 7, 2011 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

WTF is trying to Rothbard™ you

but he isn’t doing it right!

Unofficial MCM QB Rating Hater
Epistemological Police

by rothbard on Mar 7, 2011 6:59 PM CST up reply actions  

To add to this.

From last year:


“I do think he has the physical skill-set to be a top 10 pick the draft, similar to [Jets rookie] Mark Sanchez,” Mayock said on a conference call Wednesday. “The question is what kind of kid is he? If you buy into him, work ethic, toughness and leadership, there’s no reason not to take him. He’s every bit as talented as Sanchez.”
Mayock said he thinks Clausen, who visited the Browns last week, is “in play as a potential consideration for the Browns at No. 7. He’s more in play [there] than I would’ve thought a couple of weeks ago.”
Mayock said he was “highly impressed with [Clausen’s] workout. What I saw on tape was impressive, and what I saw in person was just as impressive if not more so. He has significant arm strength and very good accuracy.”

by SuperHorn on Mar 7, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

and

you can’t say that Gabbert just winzzz!!! because he doesn’t and couldn’t,…not even against inferior competition….and look at Gabbert’s opponents in ’10. Not impressed.

Bawz Hawgin' from H-town to 'Toga Town

by MarkusInSaratoga on Mar 7, 2011 6:05 PM CST reply actions  

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