MCM's Tin-Foil Hat Chronicles: Why Exactly Did Munchak Fire Mike Heimerdinger?
In the wake of the somewhat shocking news that the Titans and Mike Munchak have fired offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger there are a lot of questions left to be answered. Who will replace him? What other offensive coaches could be let go (namely Dowell Loggains, who was moving upward on the staff during the season)? How will this affect the roster? Will the new offensive coordinator have much say in the next QB and RB coaches?
But perhaps the most important question for now, and the one I'm here to discuss is... why?
Why fire Dinger right now? First of all Munchak has a multi-year deal of an as-of-yet undisclosed length, while Dinger had just one more year on the extension he signed back in November. In a year where the labor negotiations may wipeout 70% or more of the normal time coaches have to get ready for a season, we'd all been fed the line about how familiarity was at a premium. The less new stuff guys had to learn in a shortened training camp/preseason, the better they'd understand the system, they (myself included) said.
Then there was the fact that 'Dinger had a pretty impressive record as a QB coach and play caller outside of some low points of the VY era. He coached Steve McNair to an MVP, guided Kerry Collins to 13 wins and Jay Culter to some of his best years yet. By all accounts 'Dinger did one hell of a job with a QB who was more interested in being the future governor of Texas than the best NFL QB he could be. We saw the progress on the field, even when we didn't know about the struggles off of it.
I'm not buying that Munchak did this just to make a point to the couple of coaches left, and there are better ways to send messages to the players than canning respected coaches. I'm laying all of that out to say that Munch could have retained 'Dinger for one more year without risking his own job. Nobody would have blamed him too much if it didn't workout, and he could have let him go after the season without putting himself behind the 8 ball with Reinfeldt and Adams.
No, I think the biggest beef between Munchak and Heimerdinger was touched on in (you didn't think I could write this much without getting a link in here, did ya?) Munchak's first press conference as head coach, even if he didn't mean to tip his hand:
... there’s no reason we can’t win a Super Bowl with [our current] offensive line.
Two years ago everyone would have said "no sh*t". But after this last season? Really? The middle of the line looked like a disaster, and they all looked pretty terrible at run blocking. Run blocking hasn't been their forte for a good while, but they damned near got Chris Johnson killed with how they used him between the tackles and in the passing game.
And Munchak knew it, he just couldn't do anything about it then. Now he can, and he has.
Dinger's calling card was a gambling, vertical passing game that was based off of a power running game. It's the same principals that folks around town used to say was taking years off of Steve McNair and Eddie George's careers, and it's the kind of system Kerry Collins used to thrive in while he was younger. Titans fans from the pre-VY era will recall how Fisher used to stand there in press conferences and say "Well, a 50 yard interception is really just the same as a punt" with a straight face. It's because they meant it.
So, keep that in mind as we look at the names who we are hearing as the early candidates to replace Dinger (via McCormick/McFarland's TitansInsider premium content): Tommy Clements, Bill Callahan and Tom Moore. What do they each have in common? West coast-derived*, QB-friendly systems. Moore helped sculpt Peyton Manning into... Peyton Manning. Clements has been working with Aaron Rodgers since he was on the bench after his 2006 rookie season. Callahan, who I'm not a fan of as general rule, coached Rich Gannon to an MVP season and the Super Bowl, and has been an assistant with the Jets working with their stud-filled offensive line and young QB Mark Sanchez.
I would bet there's a good part of Munchak who was frustrated with how Dinger used Chris Johnson as well. The west-coast style offenses around the NFL today are pretty commonly the most likely to be running the screen game as well: just watch New Orleans and Philadelphia. Green Bay would probably be using it more if they weren't such a train-wreck at the RB position they had to spend most of the season with a fullback manning the position due to injuries: In 2009 their RBs caught about as many passes as their TEs did.
So what do I take from this? Munchak has seen enough of Dinger's power running/vertical passing system. He's also sick of the blame getting put on his offensive line if they were any less than perfect. I think Munchak is setting the stage for the Titans to run a system that fits CJ's strengths on the edge and through the air, and a system that gives the QB multiple options to get the ball out more quickly. Some of these things are attributes you often seen in west-coast derived offenses in today's game, but they're the exact things we haven't seen since the Titans landed in Nashville.
We probably won't be saying that for long if Munchak can make the right hire.
* Why do I keep saying "west coast-derived"? Because nobody really runs the original west coast offense anymore. Everybody has their own take on the philosophy Bill Walsh refined because it's just that: a philosophy. It's not a set of plays and formations, but a way you're going to attack defenses and make them react.
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I'd be ok with this.
I’d like to see something along the lines of what Green Bay runs as far as a passing game. Having one of the best backs in the league, I don’t want the ground game to turn into what Philly does where the RB essentially becomes another outlet guy, some sort of hybrid that utilizes the running back in a traditional sense is what I’d like to see…though if this means CJ gets more opportunities in the passing game in addition to running, I’d be ok with that (so long as he works on catching all offseason).
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I think Munchak is setting the stage for the Titans to run a system that fits CJ’s strengths on the edge and through the air
/Crying tears of joy
by SuperHorn on Feb 8, 2011 4:32 PM CST reply actions 10 recs
Fire him now
JK that’s awesome
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by asbestos_man on Feb 9, 2011 12:32 AM CST up reply actions
If it means more screen passes im all for it.
Its been one of my biggest problems with this team the last few years… why dont they RUN MORE SCREEN PASES?!?!
I mean, screens get a player the ball in space, and when CJ gets the ball in space, we have all seen what he can do.
Hard to do when you can't count on QB consistently making the short throw
or receiver/RB making the catch.
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well
that problem’s more or less solved itself though, Vince is basically gone and I doubt Munch lets KC get things rolling.
Get 'em.
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by danielreese05 on Feb 8, 2011 9:08 PM CST up reply actions
Good point!!! What a good post!
by Los Blancos Chicca on Feb 8, 2011 4:33 PM CST via mobile reply actions
How pissed Dinger must be right now?
Last week he was getting interviewed for the HC position, then Munch(Thor) gets promoted above him for a job he’s been waiting for (got to wonder if Dinger saw this coming once Thor was hired), and today he’s fired.
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I'm thinking Thor is going to go with a safe bet for his first QB IF he does draft one.
That QB is going to be directly tied to him, otherwise he has to go with veteran presents. If we do get Clements, you think Matt Flynn’s stock would shoot up for QB’s to get? How about we talk Brett “Dick Pic” Favre into making a comeback?!
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And I completely missed you beating me to the punch re: Flynn.
Come on now, Ron.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 8, 2011 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
Adding Clements would certainly help the Titans find out more about Flynn's value.
He can come in and say ‘this guy can be really good for us’ or ‘the system made him look better than he is’.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 8, 2011 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
watched him at LSU
he dosent make alot of mistakes, and he is a great game manager, not sure if hes my QB of the future.
I think Flynn or Kolb are far more interesting prospects for us now.
Especially if Munch is playing on bringing in a “west coast guy” to run his offense. Both Flynn and Kolb were playing in a west coast system.
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by asbestos_man on Feb 9, 2011 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
Don't like any of 'em.
Really the only guy that I’m impressed with is Dalton.
Just one man’s opinion…
Personally I like stanzi
im curious to see his combine
by SouthTexasTitan on Feb 8, 2011 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
me too
plus, he has brady hair ….i think its a sign of his potential
by channelXlurker on Feb 8, 2011 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
agreed on Dalton
not sure if he’s ready to start right away, but I think he’s the safest bet in this class.
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Yeah, if any rookie is to be drafted, Dalton would be my pick.
And could probably be had in the second round. I don’t really want to use a Top 10 pick on QB, but then again, I thought CJ was a bad pick so what do I really know?
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 8, 2011 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
I'll take
Kaepernick. Dalton #2. Locker, Stanzi, Gabbert, and Mallett…never. Unless your grooming someone to beat out Rusty for the #2 or #3.
by MarkusInSaratoga on Feb 8, 2011 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
saw the ncaa "skills" competition on espn last week
in the accuracy challenege, dalton struggled with the long ball. locker looked HORRIBLE. mallet’s 1st round was pretty accurate.
that being said, not sure how accurate this challenge is for predicting nfl success. i remeber several years ago chad jackson won the hands competition for wrs and that hasnt really meant anything for his nfl “career”
THAT being said i dont know if theres any qb im really high on. DONT want the following: locker, dalton, enderle, devlin. would be ok with the following if it’s not @ #8 (gabbert, stanzi, ponder, dude from wisc). if they tested well, would look at mallet or newton @ #8, but would prefer to address D with that pick.
by NJ Titans Fan on Feb 8, 2011 5:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Personally, I would love..
Christian Ponder. I feel like he could turn into a very good NFL quarterback.
Air Bud > Kerry Collins
Actually if we get Clements, the better question is do we trade for Flynn?
He’d be in the best position to know whether Flynn has the tools or not.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 8, 2011 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
I'll take that chance with a fifth round or later
by SouthTexasTitan on Feb 8, 2011 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
Fourth rounder and I'm in.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 8, 2011 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
Oh geeze I should really read all the way down before commenting
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 8, 2011 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
Nah, you did it in the right spot. I completely missed StPrattrick up there already bringing up Flynn.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 8, 2011 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
I hope your right
Every dang time KC thew a pass to Jamal Charles (or got him involved in a way other than straight hand-off), I thought (or yelled), “why can’t we figure out how to do that with CJ?” It makes no sense to be stubborn with sticking to a system over changing the system to maximize the talent.
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With a West Coast-based offense, what kind of QB is best?
Do you need someone with a cannon arm like Roethlisberger? Or someone who is more precise and can make the short and intermediate throws? With the deep threat of Britt, I’d prefer someone who can chuck the ball downfield, but not necessarily be a gunslinger like Favre or Cutler.
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I'd perfer a mobile QB with a cannon arm like Rapethlisberger
I really don’t want a statue QB i.e. Pey Pey or Pretty Boy Brady, but that’s me.
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you don't want Peyton or Brady?
I kid, but of course you have players like them who succeed in spite of their mobility shortcomings.
Get 'em.
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by danielreese05 on Feb 8, 2011 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
Of course you do and if a player like that fell into our lap, great.
I just think they are boring in a sense. I think I just got spoiled with Air-McNair…. :o(
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Hmmmm very good question.
I’m hazarding a guess here but I’d think more emphasis would be placed on precision compared to arm strength. That’s going off what we saw this Sunday in that the gameplan for Rodgers was based on accurate, timed throws.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 8, 2011 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
A Rodgers clone would be perfect in my opinion
I mean aside from the obvious (Super Bowl winning QB), I really like how he’s a combination of accuracy, mobility, and has the arm to put it anywhere on the field. TRADE THE FARM FOR AARON RODGERS!!!!!
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The most similar QB it seems to Rodgers would be Matt Flynn
We’ll see if Reinfeldt pulls the trigger.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 8, 2011 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
There are no Rodgers clones
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by danielreese05 on Feb 8, 2011 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
I think Rogers is worth atleast 2 maybe 3 farms right now
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by asbestos_man on Feb 9, 2011 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
Accurate, Smart and with enough of a deep ball to make defenses pay
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Do we have the WRs to create a West Coast O?
We’ve got Britt who looks to be a stud, but then Damian Williams (unproven), Randy Moss (free agent and wouldn’t fit a WCO), Lavelle Hawkins (does anyone really know what we’ve got in him?) and then a few other benchwarmers. We do have Cook, who Michael Lombardi raved about a few days ago, and I would love for him to become the Jermichael Finley on this team.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 8, 2011 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
well if you're comparing with the Packers WR
I’d say:
Britt=Greg Jennings
Damian Williams=Donald Driver
Hawk=Jordy Nelson?
Mariani=Jordy Nelson
But I’d love me some Hawk too.
by groovymountain on Feb 8, 2011 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
maybe true
but i guess we don’t really know how good those 2 guys would be since we’ve barely seen them play WR in any relevant games.
Damian Williams could be Donald Driver in his prime.
I see it. Williams has good, but not great speed. The thing that separates him from the rest of the pack is his INCREDIBLE route running. If you wanna see some good route running look up some of his videos on youtube
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If he puts on a lil muscle he could still have good speed but will beable to break mor tackles like Brit, A johnson, C johnson, D. Driver, just to name a few
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by titanwarrior1 on Feb 9, 2011 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
i see where you are going but with this yet they are more similar to these players
Britt=Hakeem Nicks
Damian Williams=Jacoby Jones
Hawk=Sidney Rice/ mini Steve Smith
Mariani=Nelson (& both are 5X better than HOU’s Kevin Walter)
Washington=Driver (haha)
No WR will be able to top Greg Jennings & Andre Johnson for a few more years. If Stafford can stay healthy for 16 games, maybe Calvin Johnson might. I been waiting yearsss for players like Justin Gage & Donald Driver to go away! There are plenty of other teams that could use their services.
by titanwarrior1 on Feb 9, 2011 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
WCO is not a rigid set of plays
We can run whatever we want. Your personnel dictates what kind of positions and match ups you try and put them in. It’s not a rigid set of rules that dictate everything. You don’t push a button to select WCO and then the magic happens.
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from my understanding it requires good routes and quick, accurate passes?
like the Packers for instance. I noticed they run and covert the quick slant a lot and get good yardage mostly due to greg jennings being able to run after the catch.
sure
I mean it’s a general philosophy, not a Madden playbook.
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about offensive philosophies, how is WCO different than any other offense?
wouldn’t any team want to be able to run and complete a quick slant over and over? then wouldn’t the WCO be the norm for a team offense?
i guess my question is, what makes a coach say “I don’t want to run a west coast offense.”
personnel? state of the league? general offensive strategy/philosophy?
Who knows. I’m not a coach, but I’d be real surprised if they put as much emphasis on jargon and “systems” as fans seem to. You want to put the players you have in a position to make plays against the team that are facing. I always saw WCO as based on shorter and multiple routes, timing, and precision. More finesse than “smash you in the mouth”, but that’s just me.
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Wikipedia actually has a pretty decent explination:
The popular term “”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Coast_offense" target="new">West Coast Offense" is more of a philosophy and an approach to the game than it is a set of plays or formations. Traditional offensive thinking argues that a team must establish its running game first, which will draw the defense in and open up vertical passing lanes downfield; i.e., passing lanes that run perpendicular to the line of scrimmage.
Bill Walsh’s West Coast Offense differs from traditional offense by emphasizing a short, horizontal passing attack to help stretch the defense out, thus opening up options for longer running plays and longer passes that can achieve greater gains. The West Coast Offense as implemented under Walsh features precisely run pass patterns by the receivers that make up about 65% to 80% of the offensive scheme. With the defense stretched out, the offense is then free to focus the remaining plays on longer throws of more than 14 yards and mid to long yard rushes.
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I'd add to this that intelligence and timing are the keys to just about any West Coast-derived Offense
how those keys are employed are how coaches make their money.
Usually coaches who choose not to run it outright do so because of the talent on hand. You wouldn’t want someone like VY, Roethlisberger, Vick (in his younger years), etc. to run a system that’s all about getting the play executed on schedule. Big-armed QBs who thrive on improvisation and big throws are better for the old-school system Dinger runs.
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by Aditya T (smashville) on Feb 9, 2011 8:28 AM CST up reply actions
Clearly its not a rigid set of plays.
That doesn’t mean a specific personnel group is made to run certain schemes. We’ve got plenty of pieces but we’re going to need more WRs, or more aptly put, a deeper receiving corps to make it successful. The Eagles and Packers, two teams who run the WCO, commonly use 3 and 4 receiver sets, and use 5 receiver sets more often than teams who don’t favour a pass-oriented, WCO.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 8, 2011 6:21 PM CST up reply actions
aka perfection
past few superbowl winning qbs:
rodgers, brees, roethlisberger, manning, manning, roethlisberger, brady, brady, brad johnson (aka tampa bay defense), brady, dilfer (aka baltimore defense), elway, elway.
i mean, if you want to win the superbowl, there is one really important player you need
look at curent and former west coast QBs
Montana and young of the 49ers, hasselbeck of the hawks, Brees of the saints. possibly a colt mccoy of the browns.
first and foremost is a guy with a quick release and superior accuracy who can read defenses and make good decisions. if you can get a guy who is nimble in the pocket then great, but accuracy, timing, and football IQ are the most important traits for a west coast QB.
arm strength isnt a major concern with the west coast. most of the action takes place between 5-15 yards from the LOS. mobility is nice, but its not a priority.
to end, you really dont want a big plodding rocket arm style QB. Manning would not fit in a westcoast like he dose in his manning offense. if were talking westcoast then we should start taking a good look at Christian Ponder of FS, Andy Dalton of TCU, and possibly Blaine Gabbert of MO.
I think you have to get somebody with at least a decent deep ball.
For me, the QB would be in the mold of Drew Brees. The problem with Brees sometimes is trying to do too much, sometimes causing him to be inaccurate.
by Tyler George Nilson on Feb 8, 2011 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
brees's issue isnt inaccuracy
he’s had the highest completion % in the nfl the last four years.
Brees’s only issues would be that he gets some balls knocked down at the line because of his height and that if you are able to crunch the pocket and not leave him room to slide that he cant get passes out that taller QBs could.
otherwise he’s a top 3 QB and a perfect WC style guy. you can point to his off year (relative to his success in past years), but unless he continues his INTs next year you can count his high INT count as a result of his torn MCL (brees played through the same injury for 6 weeks that took cutler out of a conference championship
)
I guess that is what I was referring too.
Not his overall accuracy. It just seemed to me that Brees had the most trouble when he tried to do too much.
by Tyler George Nilson on Feb 8, 2011 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
You need a QB with ok-good arm strength and exeptional decision making and accuracy
To run a west coast offense
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by NJD28 on Feb 8, 2011 8:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Kyle Orton
Kyle Orton looked pretty good against us this year and he fits the mold of a west coast type of guy. I saw on first take this morning that the Broncos want to trade him and keep Tebow. This would allow a 2nd or 3rd round pick to be spent on a QB and we could have time to develop him.
You'll get a lot of hate for saying that...
But I fully agree with you. Although it’s shocking to me that the broncos already have so much confidence in Tebow.
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by dgx on Feb 8, 2011 8:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
well my next hope is that we somehow figure out how to put Moss and Britt on the field at the same time
give me that and i’m happy
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Feb 8, 2011 5:41 PM CST reply actions
Great post, ADub.
I actually like the style of offense Dinger runs a lot, I just don’t think CJ is the right running back for it.
But I like the idea of having a coaching staff that will Taylor the gameplan to the talent on the team.
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by TennesseeTyrants on Feb 8, 2011 5:55 PM CST reply actions
Maybe there is life for Randy Moss in Nashville
I’m sure it’s still less likely than more likely, but it’s a move in the direction of utilizing offensive players more aggresively.
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IF Randy likes whoever the next OC is...
I could see him staying. He already said he likes it here and would consider coming back. I would love it, personally, as long as they can use him unlike Dinger.
That said, who knows if he’d get along with Munch/Thor.
A-Dub, this part of your analisis
I’m not buying that Munchak did this just to make a point to the couple of coaches left, and there are better ways to send messages to the players than canning respected coaches. I’m laying all of that out to say that Munch could have retained ‘Dinger for one more year without risking his own job. Nobody would have blamed him too much if it didn’t workout, and he could have let him go after the season without putting himself behind the 8 ball with Reinfeldt and Adams.
It’s exactly what Fisher would have done to deflect the blame. It seems that Muncht is in charge now, he’s willing to take all the blame or praise of how the season will develop.
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by bryce m on Feb 8, 2011 7:31 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I swear to god this is the only blog where you get offered a free cake
then bitch about it because there’s not a cherry on top.
Get 'em.
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by danielreese05 on Feb 8, 2011 9:18 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
If you are searching for a blog with perfect grammar,
perhaps you should try elsewhere. I hold an advanced degree myself, yet I don’t allow myself to be distracted by relatively minor infractions such as those in this post. With that said, if you think ADub employs bad grammar in his posts, you should try reading anything posted here by duslin or burke. THOSE posts really would offend your inflated sense of intellectual superiority. Give ADub a break. He doesn’t deserve your petty scorn over such trivial matters.
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Nice to know you signed up just to be an asshole.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Feb 8, 2011 10:28 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
That's just like, your opinion, man.
I’ll give you ‘full back’, but what’s wrong with that usage of wipeout? The idea that there’s a perfect consensus on the subtlties of the English language shows you don’t know much about what the fuck you’re talking about.
BTW, I’m a professional copywriter and English major. I choose to focus more on content than editing here because of time allowances. I wish writing here paid the bills from 9 to 5, but it doesn’t.
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by August West on Feb 9, 2011 7:19 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
You posted this comment at 8:31 last night
And we still haven’t seen the link for your Titans’ blog that is full of nothing but perfect grammar.
Do you write for Chris Faulkner’s blog? That is the only perfect Titans’ blog I know of.
Of course we are still waiting on that link too.
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by gramsey712 on Feb 9, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
http://ten.247sports.com/Article/Jerry-Gray-to-be-Titans-defensive-coordinator-if-he-makes-jump-14552
the DC job is Gray’s if he wants it.
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I kinda hope he chooses to stay at Texas
The only problem with my thinking is that if he doesn’t come to Tenn, we don’t have many other names to consider.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 8, 2011 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
why do you want him to stay at Texas? Longhorns fans dont want him to leave.
Which means he’s of value to their future plans.
Ya'll don't even know he was a virgin til he was 28, and now...Roll Tide.
Well ever since being the DC in Buffalo
he’s only moved down on the coaching chain. NFL DC > NFL assistant > College coordinator (he skipped this) > College assistant. I’m left to wonder why, if he truly is a bright defensive mind, that no one gave him another shot as DC, and why after being fired in Seattle, he become a college DB coach.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 8, 2011 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
well from I have noticed in the past.
If someone doesnt do well with a positon such as a DC in Buffalo, not many other teams will want a DC that couldnt produce in Buffalo (but I mean c’mon its Buffalo, players go to die there) so theyre forced to take a lower position elsewhere. And if he skipped the college coordinator positon, same thing, forced to take a lower position.
But it goes both ways, I see both sides of the argument.
I mean if this was the first guy Munchak thought of for the DC job in TEN, then I’m on board because of what Munch has done in such a short time, by getting rid of the “crap” around here. And interviewing a quality guy in Matthews for the OL job. I mean if BM is here to coach the O-Line, you know it should be pretty rock solid for years to come, just like it was all this time Munch has had the job.
Idk just my thoughts, you dont have to agree with them, just out there to read.
Ya'll don't even know he was a virgin til he was 28, and now...Roll Tide.
I'm not trying to make Gray sound like a bad candidate
Just that I’m not particularly excited about the hire.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 8, 2011 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
I know that. Just providing my 2 cents.
Ya'll don't even know he was a virgin til he was 28, and now...Roll Tide.
No worries
I’m holding out hope Gray will surprise me.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 8, 2011 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
Munch already has, so I expect no different!!
Ya'll don't even know he was a virgin til he was 28, and now...Roll Tide.
OH AND I JUST FOUND THIS ON WIKIPEDIA.
“He served as the defensive coordinator for the Buffalo Bills from 2001 to 2005, where he oversaw one of the top defenses in the NFL until his final season. The Bills ranked 2nd in total defense in both 2003 and 2004.”
so not as bad as I had thought. glad I did some research on his past.
Ya'll don't even know he was a virgin til he was 28, and now...Roll Tide.
Only other thing I know about him
is Blaine Bishop said he was the best coach he ever had. A “teacher”. Big on technique and playing smart.
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NECKBEARD + ??? = WUNZ!!!!!!!!11
We coiuld use some of that
For as good as Griff is he takes way to many bad angles.
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by asbestos_man on Feb 9, 2011 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
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why after being fired in Seattle, he become a college DB coach
It’s his alma mater. Texas always over pays coaches, so he’ll make more than he would in the NFL. Likely, MUCH more. And, he gets to live in Austin.
’m left to wonder why, if he truly is a bright defensive mind, that no one gave him another shot as DC
Couldn’t the same be said for Clements? He’s been out of an OC job for 5 years.
The guys has a short time to build a staff for an extremely unpredictable year ahead.
Upon careful consideration, it shouldn’t be a surprise that he’s decided to go with a bunch of folks that he knows and knows well. So far, so go. Moreover, with the Offense, I expect he knows exactly what he wants, and if they can only find the right QB, I think he’ll probably have great success with that next year. They certainly have the WRs, TEs, and RB to run a successful short-passing, edge-running game.
With the Defense, I expect we might see a few years of improvisation. In his mind, I expect Munchack would REALLY like to hire Greg Williams. But since Williams is unavailable, he’s gone to the next best available candidate.
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Just because you don't have any other names to consider
doesn’t mean Munch is in the same boat.
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Is that not obvious?
Was Munchak going to say, “Well the only guy I could think of was Gray, and if he doesn’t come here, we’ll just have to go with no DC.”
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 8, 2011 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
For the Guys who know me
You know I’m probably one of the most positive people on this board.
But my guts says the Munchak area isn’t going to go too well. I have nothing factual to put behind it, other than he only has experience on the O-line.
At this point no one knows how this will turn out
Its premature to decide his tenure here will be great or be a failure.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 8, 2011 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
Why yes
14 years in the same position without getting consideration for other positions on other staffs Qualifies as instant success as a first time head coach of a team with many needs.
I promise to try and stay positive for you guys!!!
Umm..
Munchak said he was offered several opportunities to move up through the ranks but opted to stay in Tennessee for family reasons. He was also much more involved in the run game planning than anyone here knew. So this:
14 years in the same position without getting consideration for other positions on other staffs Qualifies as instant success as a first time head coach
is an overly simplistic and invalid argument. Note that I never said that he was destined for greatness. The guy hasn’t coached a game yet, let’s not name a street after him or run him out of town just yet.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 8, 2011 8:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Fair enough
But I’m not sure I completely believe the “opportunities”. Why turn down offers in your career in a volatile profession? He could have been gone in Tenn after year two had Fisher been fired then.
So if I’m to believe this then it means had he been fired or if things go bad as Tenn Head coach then he will not seek other employment with an NFL team. rather then stay in Tenn as another level?
You're overlooking how much he values his family.
Why did he turn down offers? Plain and simple: because his family wanted to stay in Tennessee. Keep in mind that Fisher did a very good job building this team culminating in the Super Bowl run and I’d say Munchak’s job was safe.
To your last point, I’m not sure. Eventually, he probably would have looked elsewhere after being unemployed for a while but maybe he would have stayed in Tennessee for his family. Either way, Munchak has certainly had his fair share of opportunities (Carolina wanted to talk to him about being a HC this year).
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 8, 2011 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
I think that sums up how I and many other MCMers feel
We don’t know what we have, but I’m willing to give him a chance.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 8, 2011 10:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
^ this.
What? A girl can't like AND understand football?
Shoot, I live in the South where that just comes with the territory!
I am optimistic
But mostly because I wanted change and now we’ve got it.
It could do either way, but I like what Munch is saying and doing so far. At the very least I think he will focus on doing what works and not make decisions based on habit or tradition.
Get this man some kool-aid
I’m been guzzling it all week
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by asbestos_man on Feb 9, 2011 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
BECAUSE HE'S FUCKING THOR
THAT’S WHY

Get 'em.
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by danielreese05 on Feb 8, 2011 9:07 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
This is Munchaks team
Dinger was fit to Fisher so it doesnt surprise or bother me that Munchak wants his coaches and not Fishs
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by Dagger22 on Feb 8, 2011 11:23 PM CST via mobile reply actions
will i am was wearing a tin-foil fedora during the half-time show
and this Munchak is a likable guy! He seems to be a lot less full of himself than Fisher, and more open. It would be sweet if Rich Eisen liked the ‘Thor’ nickname and used it on NFL Network. This is turning out to be exciting-Munchak doesn’t seem to be as conservative as Fish right off the bat, also he made sure to mention ’I’m not Jeff Fisher by any means’! COME ON GUYS! HES BEEN UNDER PATERNO! HELL YEA!
under Paterno?
OMG!!!
Seriously he was only a player at PSU
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by asbestos_man on Feb 9, 2011 10:29 AM CST up reply actions

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