Tennessee Titans Daily Links: Thorchak, Gray And Palmer Leading The Way Edition
by August West on Feb 16, 2011 10:34 AM CST
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Paul K can be as critical as anyone you'll read, but I thought this tweet from him late yesterday was exactly what we all needed to hear. You probably noticed I wasn't around to check the site much at all yesterday, so I'm not specifically commenting on the reaction of MCM luminaries, but the reaction on the radio and around town was pretty knee-jerk. It was like when your team takes the non-sexy pick in the draft: all we can do is look at the evidence that's out there and try to judge the move objectively. Also, the criticism I heard a lot was that the Titans didn't talk to enough guys, but if you've been paying attention (which lots of people haven't, apparently), you'd know that Bill Calahan, Bob Bratkowski, Mike Tice, and probably/possibly Tom Clements and Jim Fassel were all names that came out in the search despite how well Thorchak has done keeping a tight lid on who all he's talked with or evaluated. Is it a sexy hire? Definitely not, but is name recognition really something you want at the top of the list when you're hiring a coordinator?
Chiefs coach Todd Haley, one of the most respected offensive minds in the league right now, wanted Palmer to join his staff earlier in the month. Granted it was as the QB coach, but that was largely because Haley is still controlling that offense (he promoted Bill Muir from within, but most people around the team say Haley is scheming and calling the plays again).
John Glennon relieved a lot of concern among fans who are willing to actually read-up on Palmer by explaining why the veteran coach was in the UFL last year: Palmer was offered an extension as the Giants' QB coach while he had one year left on his contract, but he wanted a clause stating that he could interview for any NFL offensive coordinator spot if a team wanted him. The Giants had already denied other teams the chance to talk to him about OC positions. The Giants wouldn't agree to that clause, so Palmer retired and went to the UFL the same day. If he still had a year left on his contract (which it sounds like he did) the Giants could deny him the right to work for any other NFL team since they still owned his rights for 2010. Worked out pretty well for him, no?
Palmer was the offensive coordinator for the Jags when they topped the league in offensive DVOA back in 1997. More recently, he was the QB coach for the Giants from 2007-09, when the Giants were 22nd, 5th and 10th in passing efficiency while he was there.
Michael Fabiano, a fantasy football analyst for NLF.com, says that the Palmer hire should be good news for CJ2K. Fred Taylor ripped of 1,644 under Palmer, and numerous pedestrian backs have had career years while running for the Titans' new coordinator.
TitanInsider (paywall) reports that both Gray and Palmer will have heavy input on filling the vacant spots on the staff, and Clancy Pendergrast and Tracy rocker remain in the mix for the defensive line coach spot vacated by Jim Washburn.
For some idiotic reason David Climer thinks it will take some time for Palmer to adjust to the move from the UFL's funky rules to the NFL, despite the fact that Palmer has 19 years as a coach in the NFL, versus a single 8 game season in the UFL. That is stunning logic.
Looking back on it, is it really that odd that Munchak keeps making hires with connections to the Oilers? All coaches usually hire guys they have some experience with in the past (easily 75% of the time that's the case), and the Oilers/Titans are the only franchise he's ever been a part of. It's a fallacy to act like this is Bud's call, it's just Thorchak doing what most coaches already do.
ESPN tracked down this video of Jason Babin's appearance on a TV show called Gator 911 from last off-season, in which Babin zip-lines over a pond full of live gators. The best part is his response to questions about his trill-seeking:
"I think the Titans realize if I kill myself they don't have to pay me. It makes me who I am on Sunday."
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So no DVOA from his stints with Cleveland or Houston?
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I don't care about the Clevland years
it was the first two seasons of an expansion team, and we didn’t hire him as a HC. The Houston years are definitely the worst part of his career, but I’m trying to off-set the mountain of criticism I’ve read.
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by August West on Feb 16, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
Houston was bad
but they did improve (sort of) over his tenure. Coaching != magic fairy wand
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You seem like you have some experience programming computers.
But that’s just me.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Feb 16, 2011 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
Well, he has more bad than good in his career.
And we don’t need more bad.
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He's done very well when he's had talent on hand
it’s not like he was the O-line coach in Houston. or something.
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by August West on Feb 16, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
And he had David Carr as his quarterback
Who is infinitely better than anyone we have.
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Did week 1 get moved to March?
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by August West on Feb 16, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
It did when you hire Chris Palmer as your offensive coordinator
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Gramsey =
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by StPrattrick on Feb 16, 2011 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
"Realistic Nancy" would be more like it.
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That's not a real person...
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by StPrattrick on Feb 16, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Good point
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more like
releastic rita
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Feb 16, 2011 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
In that case I'm all for it!
I miss football… even bad football.
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by August West on Feb 16, 2011 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
So basically any situation that Palmer was in
where the TEAM faired poorly was his fault?
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This is the last response I will give you because you are the King of circular arguments and I just don't have the patience for it
Palmer had influence in every situation he was in…good and bad. The bad situations he was in, his performance was bad. The good situations he was in, his performance was good.
That is the case for 90% of the coaches in the league.
We need one of those rare coaches who can make a bad situation better. Not settle for this guy. We are a bad situation and Palmer will not make it better. There is no reason to hire a guy who doesn’t make the team better.
That is my argument.
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by gramsey712 on Feb 16, 2011 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No single coach will make a situation better on his own.
The collective efforts of all our coaches will. I would like to see your pick for OC, and your reasoning behind it.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Feb 16, 2011 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
My pick for OC?
Nobody. If Palmer is the best we can do, Munchak can call plays himself.
Or let Bruce Matthews do it.
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Come on, that is weak and you know it.
You can criticize but not throw out alternatives?
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by BonzosMontreaux on Feb 16, 2011 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
Bruce Matthews
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Why is that a better alternative?
What is your reasoning? Other than “well Palmer is so badz…”
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by BonzosMontreaux on Feb 16, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
Because we don't know what Matthews can do
We know what Palmer can do.
And I would rather have the unknown over the known bad.
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Or, as Donald Rumsfeld once said:
There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don’t know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don’t know we don’t know.
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by August West on Feb 16, 2011 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Can you honestly say if Palmer was not hired
That you would be excited about any of your “suggestions”? I would hedge a guess that you would be doing JUST as much bitching.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Feb 16, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know what I would say
But I can guarantee that if I did complain, and Bonzos asked me to list some alternatives to who was hired, that there is no way in hell that “Chris Palmer” would be one of my choices.
So to keep from just running on like this, what is it that has you excited about him? Change my mind.
And IMO
It would make it worse if we just hired Palmer “because there is no one else”
NOBODY FOR OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR
maybe we can go with OC by committee. I has a nomination:
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by August West on Feb 16, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
I am not particularly excited about it.
But i also don’t think the sky is falling. Despite his TEAM’s failures, you can see clear improvements year to year in the likes of Carr, Couch, Manning. I for one am waiting to reserve judgment until i see what he can do with OUR offensive personnel.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Feb 16, 2011 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
YoY improvement at the QB position, but not consistently for the offense as a whole while at the OC position.
When given the reigns of OC, his offenses were some of the worst in the league with exception to 1997.
IMO, this would have been a good hire as a QB coach, but I don’t like this hire as an OC. One doesn’t go this long in the league without having some consistent success at the OC spot. I just can’t believe that he was consistently dealt a bad hand and it was never his fault.
I'm not saying that he has always done a good job, or that he will be our saviour.
I’m saying that maybe we can wait to see what he does with our personnel and our coaching collective to declare that the sky is indeed falling.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Feb 16, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
So never ever ever discuss or question anything in the present tense?
What is the point of having a conversation then?
Yes thats exactly what i said, of course. You are so right.
We can discuss it, but not using such extremes.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Feb 16, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Well, we do have 6+ months until we even get into the preseason.
This is a fresh hire, and there isn’t much else to talk about, so I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect reactions out of the fan base.
Again, not saying there can't be discussion
Just saying that it is going way too far into the extremes considering we aren’t playing yet.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Feb 16, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
I am looking at the dude's resume....
which sucks
And saying I don’t think he is a good hire. If that is an extreme…well fine.
Stop this.
You said that literally having nobody would be better than him. THAT is an extreme.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Feb 16, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
OK, then it is
I think that not having an offensive coordinator and Munchak calling his own plays would be better than having Chris Palmer.
I admit it.
The past isn't always predictive of the future.
No one here is ignorant enough to say otherwise.
That said, looking at past failures and expecting success now isn’t very realistic either.
"When given the reigns of OC his offenses were some of the worst in the league"
This is wildly deceptive, seeing as it was only ONE OTHER TEAM that he was OC for. That of course being brand spanking new Houston Texans.
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You've got to include Cleveland, too.
With it, we have a 7 year sample size. Without it, we have a 5 year sample size. In either case, it’s substantially large enough that we can draw some conclusions.
I hope you’re right. Maybe he can turn this thing around. However, his history doesn’t exactly get me excited about this hire. In time, we’ll certainly find out.
Fine, include Cleveland, but you should compare apples to apples
Are the Titans closer, talent wise, to Palmer’s Jax team, or to 2 first year expansion teams? Cleveland was terrible their 1st 2 years (well pretty much every year), and if you want to go buy the numbers, Houston’s offense improved every single year under Palmer (32nd, 28th, 21st)
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by StPrattrick on Feb 16, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
Too soon?
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by StPrattrick on Feb 16, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
Mike Munchak
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At this point who really knows whats going to happen????
Maybe Munch brought him in for his experience with offenses, yet plans on calling his own plays from the sideline.
by bullrider73 on Feb 16, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
It's no argument because you are begging the question.
You assume that Palmer will not make the team better, yet that is what you need to prove.
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I don't need to prove anything.
It is my opinion that he will not make the team better.
And I think it is your opinion that he will make the team better.
I have more in his resume to back me up.
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You said it was "your argument"
“Palmer will not make it better”. Assertion. Check
“..no reason to hire a guy that doesn’t make the team better”
therefore “No reason to hire Palmer”
Sorry, doesn’t follow since you are just assuming Palmer will not make it better. Logic fail. And you call me master of circular arguments…pff
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Yeah. You've confused me now.
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So by that math:
Palmer will not make this team better; so we stay 8-8.
Titans remove Palmer and become the first team to have a season without an OC; we go 0-20 (losing 4 pre season games as well)
This is a retarded argument.
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by StPrattrick on Feb 16, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
Yes.
At this point, I would be happy with 8-8.
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Since when did you start thinking we "shoulda kept Fisher!!!!"
What happened to you out there in Canada land Gramsey….?
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by StPrattrick on Feb 16, 2011 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
I would take Fisher and Vince Young
Over Chris Palmer and no quarterback.
That is how bad this is gonna prove to be. IMO, of course.
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You heard it here first!
Shits hit the fan, Gramsey is off his rocker…
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by StPrattrick on Feb 16, 2011 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
None of us have any idea if Palmer will work out in the long run
but I can’t agree that he’s somehow an instant FAIL, just like I wouldn’t say any of the other names that were out there are instant wins.
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by August West on Feb 16, 2011 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
So don't hire anybody.
Don’t hire suck just cause there is nobody else.
That is my new mantra…NOBODY FOR OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR.
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I'm already the OC for the Titans
Rothbard was there at my hiring. I am actually taking Palmer under my wing this season to show him the ropes.
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by StPrattrick on Feb 16, 2011 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
I would actually be more excited about that
I don’t know what you can do.
I know what Palmer can do.
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You don't know what he can do with our personnel.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Feb 16, 2011 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
HAVE YOU SEEN ME PLAY MADDEN?!
’nough said!
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by StPrattrick on Feb 16, 2011 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
gramsey will institute the NFL's first Nihilism Offense
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by August West on Feb 16, 2011 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Apparently ALL that people want is name recognition.
Based on the crap flying around in these threads. People seem to be more than willing to ignore ANY past success Palmer had and just blindy bash him.
Yet people are in love with Clements, and were giving ALL credit for Rodgers’ success to him. Seems like everyone needs to start looking at the whole picture, not just the parts that help their argument look good.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Feb 16, 2011 10:50 AM CST reply actions
I think we're oversimplifying things if you or others think the people who aren't thrilled at this hire is simply for lack of "name recognition."
My lack of confidence in Palmer has zero to do with the fact that his name came out of nowhere. It has everything to do with his less than stellar resume.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 16, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
I'd also like to point out that even with QBs like Carr, Couch, etc.
They actually did statistically improve year to year. Which is all he can really do for them
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by BonzosMontreaux on Feb 16, 2011 10:52 AM CST reply actions
Hey august on the eighth link
I want to go with the appeal to ignorance fallacy, I just had a test on them yesterday in logic haha
by SouthTexasTitan on Feb 16, 2011 11:17 AM CST reply actions
well played
I miss my old symbolic logic classes. Those were fun.
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by August West on Feb 16, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Again, why is no one talking about this years as Jags OC?
Plus the fact that both Coughlin and Parcels took him to two different franchises?? I think that says a lot.
In 1997, the Jags’ third season, the Jaguars finished the season with an 11-5 record, tops in the AFC Central Division. The Jags fell in their first playoff game to Denver. The offense was ranked 7th in NFL in total yards, 3rd in points, 4th in passing yards, 2nd in rushing TDs, and 5th fewest turnovers.
In 1998, the Jaguars again finished 11-5 and won their first AFC Central Division title. In the wild card round, the Jaguars hosted their first home playoff game, a 25–10 win over the New England Patriots. The team’s season ended the next week in the Divisional Round against the New York Jets. The offense was ranked 10th in NFL in total yards, 8th in points, 5th in rushing yards, 4th in rushing TDs, and 3rd fewest turnovers.
because it doesnt fit the narrative of instafail
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by rothbard on Feb 16, 2011 11:34 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
because Gramsey doesn't want to talk about those years
just the bad ones.
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by StPrattrick on Feb 16, 2011 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
on 1st year expansion teams
Everyone knows he should have taken Houston and Cleveland to the super bowl
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by rothbard on Feb 16, 2011 11:49 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
1st year of Texans playing football = 2002
1st year of Palmer as OC of Texans = 2002
Try again
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You are right.
Let’s make excuses for the majority of his career that was bad, and get all excited for the two years he was actually successful. Makes me feel better about the hire.
Id rather be needlessly pessimistic about all hires.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Feb 16, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
You didn't get a Red Rider BBGun for Christmas that you thought you were going to get did you?
You will never be burned again…
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by StPrattrick on Feb 16, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
I'm tired of this.
Where have i said i am optimistic? Where have i been irrational? I said i was hesitant to judge. That’s it. If anything you are irrationally negative. If you want to be a fan that way, fine by me, but don’t start bashing just because you have no fucking hope in the franchise.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Feb 16, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
That is something we can agree on
At this point, I have absolutely no fucking hope in the franchise. And that is depressing.
And because i have hope i am "irrationally optimistic"
Also, way to only respond to that.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Feb 16, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know what you mean.
I didn’t realize I was supposed to respond to every little thing you type. Is that in the blog rules?
And yes, I believe you are being irrationally optimistic by having hope that Chris Palmer is going to work. That is my opinion.
You are a hell of a fan.
Guess nobody should even watch the games. Or go to them. We are just going to go 0-16.
Please continue to only respond to things you can make some half-assed negative comment about.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Feb 16, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
I will question your fanhood all i want.
As you like to say, that is my opinion.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Feb 16, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
questioning fanhood is very un-dude.
even fans get down in the dumps. It’s not like he’s rooting for the Titans to lose!
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by August West on Feb 16, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
Alright, i give. I shouldn't argue with any contributors.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Feb 16, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
being a contributor has nothing to do with it
familiarity has more to do with it, but it’s a larger point that you shouldn’t do that, IMO. It’s like questioning someone’s patriotism because they don’t like the president.
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by August West on Feb 16, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
I never said he wasn't a fan.
I said he was a hell of a fan. That can be interpreted however you like. I dislike being called irrational just because i choose to have a little bit of hope in our god damn franchise. I know i can’t argue with 1 contributor without everyone else coming in against me, so i think i will stop.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Feb 16, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
Do I have to bust out the weed again?
by SouthTexasTitan on Feb 16, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
There you go again!
Puff puff give…I’ll pitch in this time!
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by MexicanTitanFreak on Feb 16, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
every argument on the internet works like that
doesn’t matter if it’s a contributor. Hell, I love that fact that it’s pretty rare you get all of us on the same page, because the best fans around usually have diverging opinions or views on issues surrounding the team.
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by August West on Feb 16, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Please. Don't for one second tell me that if the roles here were reversed the situation would be the same.
I feel like i have a legitimate beef here, and you are brushing it aside because you know who i’m arguing with.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Feb 16, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
not true
I just thought it was pretty obvious you were demeaning Gramsey’s fanhood. I’ve stepped in for non-contributors in the past when the conversation turns that way. If a contributor was saying that to you I’d be on your side. It’s the principal.
If I misread what you were trying to express then I’m sorry, but I definitely wasn’t just ganging up on you because it’s our official hater.
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by August West on Feb 16, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
You and SuperHorn both immediately came to his defense.
Am i not allowed to be angry at his 100% negativity, which other people are called out for but he just gets to skate by cause hes the “official hater”? I don’t buy that. But i say anything about it, and i get 2 other contributors telling me i’m “undude” and such.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Feb 16, 2011 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
do I need to just repost the comment you were responding to?
All I objected to were the shots at Gramsey’s fandom that started to pop up. outside of that and threats of violence we don’t care one bit who is angry at whom.
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by August West on Feb 16, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
Forget it. I can tell whats going on.
I will limit my posting to one shot things.
Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove
by BonzosMontreaux on Feb 16, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not trying to add fuel to the fire but,
Comments were made that even made me think the conversation was going in a completely different direction until I needed further explanation. So I understand intentions and tones of conversations clearly get lost over the interwebs. That being said, someone posting negative comments on a Titans Fan Page should consider the possibility of serious backlash.
God knows, living in Arizona, I rarely have conversations that don’t turn into arguments about the Titans here and if there is one place I can go to is here to talk shop about the team I love and not get in heated football arguments over opinions.
So the point i am trying to make is, we are all Titans Fan Boys, if you don’t want to get shit, don’t say something stupid.
By the Hammer of Thor (Munchak)!!!!
I just hate it when people tell me what kind of fan I should be.
We are all gonna disagree. I even disagree with August in this very thread. But don’t tell me that I am not a fan because I don’t like the current status of my favorite team or because I think that the offensive coordinator we just hired is going to suck.
I wasn’t upset at all until the fanhood thing came up.
Completely agree
and that wasn’t really directed at anyone other then me just being an observer of the argument was all. Like I said, I took something you said the wrong way and immediately retracted.
I’m just saying no everyone knows how to back off an argument I guess.
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What?
That being said, someone posting negative comments on a Titans Fan Page should consider the possibility of serious backlash.
How often was I ripped for staying positive when Fisher was HC? Suddenly the tables have turned. Double standard much?
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 16, 2011 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
No one is talking to you Winni
Don’t you have a coloring book that needs attending too or something?
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by StPrattrick on Feb 16, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That's a great, educated response there.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 16, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
I'm a third year microbiology student
who is going for a Masters and then probably a PhD. I’m not going to lower myself to your immature insults.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 16, 2011 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
Why would you get a masters then a PhD
Masters is for those that can’t hack the PhD.
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He's just trying to make his degree sound a lot cooler then it is
poor guy.
By the Hammer of Thor (Munchak)!!!!
I don't appreciate either of you attacking me.
But I guess it shows the maturity level of you both.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 16, 2011 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
You can go somewhere else if you want?
… you see what I did there. Since your always a prick and tell people to go somewhere else if they don’t like what they are reading…
By the Hammer of Thor (Munchak)!!!!
Actually I tell people to go somewhere else
when they rant and rave about how awful this blog is. Never when there are disagreements. But keep calling me names, it really makes you look good.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 16, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
That's where he gets his lightning fast 4.24 being offended speed from
Winni thinks this is all real.
By the Hammer of Thor (Munchak)!!!!
Coincidentally
I am going for my PhDasters in Explosions and Minoring in Touchdowns with probably getting a double PhD in that too, because I can.
By the Hammer of Thor (Munchak)!!!!
I have a
Masters in the Universe.
BY THE POWER OF GRAYSKULL!!!!1
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by rothbard on Feb 16, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't even know what to say with this picture
I just love it and have to post it hahaha
Praise Thor!
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Kind of hard not to when he keeps responding
and I’m bored at work, so I have nothing better to be doing.
By the Hammer of Thor (Munchak)!!!!
A Canadian getting mad is like getting a puppy all riled up
It’s a lot of fun until you get bored of it then you just want them to piss off somewhere else.
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Bonzo
I can’t speak for August, or G, but I enjoy your commentary on the site, and hope this latest run in hasn’t left a bad taste in your mouth.
I was merely pointing out that for someone like yourself that is consistently critical of the franchise and some of it’s players, that there was some irony in you calling out G for being negative.
oh I agree
I always dig Bonzo. Even the closest families have spats, and I hope this is just a blip on the radar.
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Legitimate beef
is not the same thing as being butthurt on the internet because someone claimed you to be said ‘irrationally optimistic’.
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Boy, that escalated quickly...I mean, that really got out of hand fast.
Ribs. I had ribs for lunch. That's why I'm doing this.
by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 16, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Brick, I've been meaning to talk to you about that. You should find yourself a safehouse or a relative close by. Lay low for a while, because you're probably wanted for murder.
Ribs. I had ribs for lunch. That's why I'm doing this.
by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 16, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I know you gotta defend your boy man, but i'm not the one declaring all people idiots that have any hope.
Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove
by BonzosMontreaux on Feb 16, 2011 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
I actually never called you anything until you questioned my fanhood.
And is telling the truth “defending his boy?”
Your comment calling me irrationally optimistic is one before i question your fanhood.
Wrong again, buddy.
Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove
by BonzosMontreaux on Feb 16, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't realize that is name calling.
I thought you said I called you an idiot.
Irrational optimist=idiot?
You clearly talk down to anyone that has hope.
Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove
by BonzosMontreaux on Feb 16, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
I am irrationally optimistic because i have any hope.
Scroll up a few.
Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove
by BonzosMontreaux on Feb 16, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
If it was directed at you specifically, you might have interpreted it differently.
Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove
by BonzosMontreaux on Feb 16, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
You lose Gramsey
If you don’t agree with a hire, cool, but don’t bash the franchise.
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by StPrattrick on Feb 16, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
Unless I read this wrong
At this point, I have absolutely no fucking hope in the franchise. And that is depressing.
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by StPrattrick on Feb 16, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
I said I have no hope, but I still love the Titans
And have already paid for my season tickets. And will still show up on Sundays.
And watch us go 1-15.
"2011 Titans: We Just Want to Get 'Luck'-y"
Ribs. I had ribs for lunch. That's why I'm doing this.
by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 16, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No! Let me dream!
…you hater, you.
Ribs. I had ribs for lunch. That's why I'm doing this.
by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 16, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not saying anything about you buying your season tickets
but nothing is worse then having a die hard fan that hates his own team i.e. Eagles Fans.
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by StPrattrick on Feb 16, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
the hell?
you guys are getting WAY out of line here. being a fan has nothing to do with loving everything about what they do, it’s way bigger than that.
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by August West on Feb 16, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
Gramsey threw the game changer in there when he said
At this point, I have absolutely no fucking hope in the franchise. And that is depressing.
Just doesn’t sit well with me
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by StPrattrick on Feb 16, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
lol, i know. pRattrick knows what I'm talking about
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by rothbard on Feb 16, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No we heard you took a quick trip over to Canada
and Winni bought you some drinks the other night, since the legal drinking age in Canada land is 13 and all…
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by StPrattrick on Feb 16, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
Ahhhh...well, Winni is cool and all
But I was kicking it in Chicago with my wife. If.you.know.what.I.mean.
It's the 3 week hangovers
The kind that I get coming back from Vegas… I know them too well
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by StPrattrick on Feb 16, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
fine, disagree
but anyone can be a fan and think they’re making a bad decision. Saying otherwise is absurd.
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by August West on Feb 16, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Well clearly
Maybe I was just confused on the direction he was taking with that statement.
Let’s just all agree We Love the Titans and hope Pey Pey’s faces gets melted off in the season opener! Glad we can agree on something.
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by StPrattrick on Feb 16, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
misunderstandings never happen on Internet comment threads!
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by August West on Feb 16, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
I'm siding with Duslin on this argument
It’s entirely Moot. There will be no NFL next year, other than possibly lingerie league players substituting in games. Which I would definitely watch.
by numbertenox on Feb 16, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
Cant have both
Hope doesnt work that way
by Indiana Titan on Feb 16, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
Sure you can. I am doing it right now.
I want the Titans to win every game. I just can’t see any scenario with the team as it is now that we are gonna win more than 2 or 3 games.
Thanks I thought I was right
I’m glad we feel a lot better about all of this
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by StPrattrick on Feb 16, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
It's doesn't make sense.
People wanted Fisher out because his failures outweighed his sucesses but Palmer has had less success than failure and some people want to make excuses for him.
its funny how every one is get this in the draft trade for him we need the bla bla nla anyone even think we might not have the NFL next year if things dont shape up we wont need to disscuss this u guys are all 30-50 year old guys who sit on there butt and drink beer and watch Football ya when there is no NFL next year what u going to do then?
u may say im trying to start somthing here that may be true but i know more bout football than anyone of u
by TitanFan2K on Feb 16, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Except that he hasn't
Count Cleveland as failure if you want. That’s 1. Jax = success and Houston I would argue was also a success given the circumstances. So it’s 2-1. He has had more successes than failures in comparable roles (OC/HC).
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ridiculous
you do not get to declare success when your offense is below average every single season
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Really?
What is the average offensive production of a 1st year expansion team?
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irrelevant
he had 3 seasons to make a move and he never did. just because he had good excuses for why his offense was terrible does not make him a good hire.
remember when david carr and tim couch were both highly touted QB prospects? how did Palmer work out for those guys? seems relevant since we will be trying to groom a rookie of our own in the very near future.
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That's a scary thought.
I no longer want to take a QB high in the first.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 16, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
He did make a move...upwards
Your expectations are too high. Carr improved every year under Palmer. Can’t you just be a bust all by yourself, or does it have to be the coaches’ fault? Russell bust = coaches’ fault? Leaf bust = coaches’ fault? etc, etc
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how bad do you have to be doing
to get shitcanned in Week 2? does that sound like an endorsement of the direction he had things moving to you?
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sounds like a desperate move by Dom Capers
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desperate because....
the offense sucked.
i just don’t get it. we railed against fisher’s resume which included FAAAAAAAAAAR more demonstrable success. wtf is going on here?
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Personally, I think its a double standard.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 16, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
There's been a Fisher double standard for along time around here.
its funny how every one is get this in the draft trade for him we need the bla bla nla anyone even think we might not have the NFL next year if things dont shape up we wont need to disscuss this u guys are all 30-50 year old guys who sit on there butt and drink beer and watch Football ya when there is no NFL next year what u going to do then?
u may say im trying to start somthing here that may be true but i know more bout football than anyone of u
Honestly I think that might be what it is.
For the past five-eight months we’ve poured over Fisher’s resume, cited that he had success in the late 1990s and hasn’t delivered results in several years. Yet I am supposed to be ecstatic about a hire who’s most success came in 1997-98, failed miserably in two other spots, worked with Eli Manning for three years and then spent a year in the UFL?
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 16, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
People keep bringing up the success is JAX
but if I tried to bring up Fisher’s Super Bowl I’d get crushed for bringing up something from so long ago.
its funny how every one is get this in the draft trade for him we need the bla bla nla anyone even think we might not have the NFL next year if things dont shape up we wont need to disscuss this u guys are all 30-50 year old guys who sit on there butt and drink beer and watch Football ya when there is no NFL next year what u going to do then?
u may say im trying to start somthing here that may be true but i know more bout football than anyone of u
Ha, we're thinking alike.
Just posted the same thing above.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 16, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
Fisher analogy fails
Fisher had been HC forever and the debate was that he should continue to be so. For the analogy to work, Palmer would have needed to be the OC here for the last 16yrs and us debate whether he should stay. He hasn’t.
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Houston was a success?
You must have insanely low standards.
its funny how every one is get this in the draft trade for him we need the bla bla nla anyone even think we might not have the NFL next year if things dont shape up we wont need to disscuss this u guys are all 30-50 year old guys who sit on there butt and drink beer and watch Football ya when there is no NFL next year what u going to do then?
u may say im trying to start somthing here that may be true but i know more bout football than anyone of u
Thanks for removing all context to create a false equivalency
First of all, Palmer has had more successful years than failures. Some of his best have been as a QB coach, but it’s still success.
Last year’s Titans roster was light-years ahead of what Palmer had in Houston or Cleveland. Provided we get even a mediocre QB we’re better than either of those teams. Fisher took a 5-2 team and ran it into the ground.
Talent and good coaching = wins. You can’t win without both in the NFL. All I, and most people have said, is that you can’t write Palmer off as an instant FAIL. He’s a respected coach who teams have been trying to get for a while. He got interview requests while he was with the Giants, and Todd Haley wanted him on his staff.
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by August West on Feb 16, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
Except that all these "interviews" and "Todd Haley wanted him" still equaled being head coach of the Hartford DannoEs
And Paul K just tweeted:
Eli Manning passed on chance to talk about Chris Palmer. Could be a lot of reasons. But hardly ringing endorsement.
he wasn't fired from the Giants
he left over a contract dispute.
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and I'm hesitatnt to read very much into that tweet
maybe Eli was busy practicing his body language and didn’t want to be disturbed.
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Well, you brought up all his success as a quarterbacks coach
If Eli was so happy about it, why wouldn’t he comment?
because he had better shit to do?
like eat oreos
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by rothbard on Feb 16, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd argue that Eli isn't even that good of a QB.
He was the #1 overall pick and he’s had one season with a QB rating over 87.
its funny how every one is get this in the draft trade for him we need the bla bla nla anyone even think we might not have the NFL next year if things dont shape up we wont need to disscuss this u guys are all 30-50 year old guys who sit on there butt and drink beer and watch Football ya when there is no NFL next year what u going to do then?
u may say im trying to start somthing here that may be true but i know more bout football than anyone of u
He had Eli for 3 years
and Eli’s rating went from 73 to 86 to 91. What terrible coaching.
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He was the #1 overall [ick
and he’s not even a top 10 QB.
its funny how every one is get this in the draft trade for him we need the bla bla nla anyone even think we might not have the NFL next year if things dont shape up we wont need to disscuss this u guys are all 30-50 year old guys who sit on there butt and drink beer and watch Football ya when there is no NFL next year what u going to do then?
u may say im trying to start somthing here that may be true but i know more bout football than anyone of u
Well if he's such a great coach
shouldn’t he have turned the #1 overall pick into a elite QB?
its funny how every one is get this in the draft trade for him we need the bla bla nla anyone even think we might not have the NFL next year if things dont shape up we wont need to disscuss this u guys are all 30-50 year old guys who sit on there butt and drink beer and watch Football ya when there is no NFL next year what u going to do then?
u may say im trying to start somthing here that may be true but i know more bout football than anyone of u
*an elite
its funny how every one is get this in the draft trade for him we need the bla bla nla anyone even think we might not have the NFL next year if things dont shape up we wont need to disscuss this u guys are all 30-50 year old guys who sit on there butt and drink beer and watch Football ya when there is no NFL next year what u going to do then?
u may say im trying to start somthing here that may be true but i know more bout football than anyone of u
not in just 3 years of Eli's 7 seasons
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You do realize that the QB has to actually play, right?
You can’t blame it all on the coaches. And they don’t play by themselves either. The other 10 guys also need to play well for the QB to be any good.
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So wait,
the players actually have to play? With all the Fisher hate around here I was beginning to believe that coaches were the sole reason for everything in football.
its funny how every one is get this in the draft trade for him we need the bla bla nla anyone even think we might not have the NFL next year if things dont shape up we wont need to disscuss this u guys are all 30-50 year old guys who sit on there butt and drink beer and watch Football ya when there is no NFL next year what u going to do then?
u may say im trying to start somthing here that may be true but i know more bout football than anyone of u
August I think you're misinterpreting what a lot of what the 'against Palmer' group is saying.
Not one person here, to my knowledge, is claiming to know what Palmer will do with this offense. He could develop a QB and average 30 pts a game. He could also screw that QB up and waste the talent we have on our roster. No one knows what sort of career arc Palmer will have with the Titans, but given his resume I don’t think its unreasonable to be less than thrilled with the move.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 16, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
oh I agree
I’m not doing backflips over this, but a lot of people were VERY negative before they had any facts. I was just trying to bring some different facts to light.
Truth be told, you can’t make a single argument that he’s better than Dinger. That’s what sucks in my book. Still, I think Palmer can be successful here.
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On
Truth be told, you can’t make a single argument that he’s better than Dinger. That’s what sucks in my book. Still, I think Palmer can be successful here.
This confuses me. You think he’s worse than Dinger but will have more success than him? Palmer seems like a smart guy, but he’s known as a QB coach and if you look at his QB work, I don’t particularly trust him with whatever QB we draft.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 16, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree on your evaluation of his QB coaching abilities.
And Dinger was probably 30th on the list of the reason the offense has been so inconsistent. I’ve said that for months now.
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I agree
I wanted Dinger gone…but I wanted to replace him with someone better than Dinger. Palmer is not that guy.
It doesn't worry you that his claim to fame right now is his work as a QB coach with Eli Manning?
The other success would be as OC for the Jags 13 years ago now. The failures include his work in Houston and Cleveland.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 16, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
coached Romo to a great 1st season
coached Bledsoe to a Super Bowl win
coached Eli to his best 2 seasons as a pro
Did a great job in Jacksonville
It’s a mixed bag, but you have to quit acting like it’s all terrible.
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I'm not denying his successes.
Just that the failures outweigh them.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 16, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
Every QB he coaches get better while he's there
look it up. That is what I like.
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Is improving from really awful to somewhat awful and outstanding recommendation for a resume though?
They got better. I’m not going against those facts. But they were still some of the worst in the league. Tim Couch? Awful. David Carr? Awful. Eli Manning? Progressed from good to very good.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 16, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
Eli Manning isn't even very good.
He’s a slightly above average QB.
its funny how every one is get this in the draft trade for him we need the bla bla nla anyone even think we might not have the NFL next year if things dont shape up we wont need to disscuss this u guys are all 30-50 year old guys who sit on there butt and drink beer and watch Football ya when there is no NFL next year what u going to do then?
u may say im trying to start somthing here that may be true but i know more bout football than anyone of u
His best years were with Palmer
I’m not talking about the rest of his years. 76, 83, 96. Those were Eli’s passer ratings, in order, while Palmer was his coach. The year he leaves Manning drops back to 85.
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It shows coaching ability
Are you claiming that Carr and Couch would have been awesome QBs if they had somehow had a better coach than Palmer? They still sucked after they weren’t no longer affiliated with Palmer
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Why does he not get blame for his failures?
He was the OC that worked with Carr and Couch in their formative years. He will be the OC that works with our new QB. Going off his work with QBs he has had the most influence on, that’s not a good record.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 16, 2011 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
Who was the QB coach for Carr?
Who was Couch’s OC and QB coach?
If Palmer is responsible for Couch sucking, and not the OC and QB coach, then Palmer cannot not also be responsible for Carr sucking, since it would have already been established that the HC gets the blame.
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rookie qbs
once they are broken, they almost never get fixed.
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I just like the fact that Munch likes him
This is his 1st shot as a HC, and I think he should be allowed to hire whoever he wants to. And I, for one, am not going to pass any judgement on him before he gets a chance to show us what he can do. Talk to me in Dec….I’ll be able to comment more, one way or the other.
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Success is not given to those who know what to do......unless they do it.
by titansfan4ever on Feb 16, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
Bledsoe was already a pro-bowler
Eli was his normal boom and bust self, but with better timing and a great defense.
jacksonville already had tons of talent that was successful and headed in the right direction.
seriously, being hired by big name coaches to teams that are already successful is apparently his greatest skill.
we need a fixer on offense— a guy who can come in, rip out the walls and rebuild from the studs. there is not a single piece of evidence that points to Palmer being that guy. thus far in his very long career, he has been more like a guy that installs crown molding on an already beautiful house, not a renovator.
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by hal41605 on Feb 16, 2011 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm more interested in the fact that...
if Munch brings him in for an interview, and looks him squarely in eye, and ask him “Do you have what it takes…and are you ready to turn this franchise around….keeping in mind that failure is NOT an option…keeping in mind that it’s going to take alot of blood, sweat and tears….long hours pouring over film & game plans & working with our players….are you up for this”?….And Palmer looks him in the eye and says, “Absolutely, let’s do this thing”. THAT means more to me than what his past failures might have been.
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by titansfan4ever on Feb 16, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
In fairness,
doesn’t every single coach do that? Both the good and bad head coaches believe in their hires, and their hires believe they will be successful. I’m not sure Munchak can have an advantage over them in that category.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 16, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
I would hope they do
Because if I get that kind of commitment from a coach….then I wouldn’t have any reservations about it.
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by titansfan4ever on Feb 16, 2011 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think that's enough to draw a link from commitment to success.
I think the situation you outlined occurs in almost all organizations, successful or not. For instance, I would think Singletary looked Jimmy Raye right in the eye, asked him the same words you wrote, and Raye responded similarly. They both failed miserably in their goals.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 16, 2011 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
i couldn't possibly care less
about his ability to make eye contact. is this even serious?
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Well I'm a people person and...
you can tell alot about if someone is being honest or not.
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Success is not given to those who know what to do......unless they do it.
by titansfan4ever on Feb 16, 2011 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
In non-Palmer news...is Frank Bush still a candidate for LB coach?
I wouldn’t mind a change from McGinnis…but Bush does not thrill me.
Ribs. I had ribs for lunch. That's why I'm doing this.
by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 16, 2011 11:42 AM CST reply actions
I wouldn't mind McGinnis being no where near this team
By the Hammer of Thor (Munchak)!!!!
by StPrattrick on Feb 16, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
Because I lived in Arizona when he coached the Cardinals
and that man should NEVER BE ALOUD TO COACH ANYBODY ON ANY ASPECT OF LIVE, EVER!!!!
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by StPrattrick on Feb 16, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
I simply just don't think he's done that great a job here.
Bulluck was already established when he came on board and Thornton was signed as a FA. What LB has he really developed since being here?
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 16, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
Tully?
Not defending him, but he’s turned out decent. Literally no one else though
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by StPrattrick on Feb 16, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
Actually Bush's strong point with the Texans were his linebackers
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by MexicanTitanFreak on Feb 16, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Forget all this Palmer stuff
The real important question is: Would Munch have kept Blount??
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by rothbard on Feb 16, 2011 11:44 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Boo!
Debbie Downer….and my guess is yes
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by MexicanTitanFreak on Feb 16, 2011 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
the "name recognition" argument
is just as dumb as assuming “name recognition” is why people are cold on this hire. Palmer has basically shown that, given a true franchise QB, 2 of the 10 best WRs in the league, and a good/great running game, he can succeed. in all other situations, he has done nothing worth talking about.
we simply don’t have the pieces/talent base of the Jags offenses he thrived with. so you have to look at what he did with less, and that is, quite clearly, very little.
munchak, hardly qualified himself, is assembling a staff full of other sparsely qualified Oilers retreads, and i won’t pretend to be excited about it.
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by hal41605 on Feb 16, 2011 12:11 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
He has been OC in the NFL twice
Once on a good team (Jax) and once on a shitty 1st year expansion team. What are all these other situations in which he was terrible?
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you can not count cleveland if you want
but offensive-minded HCs always have plenty of say in the offense. the point is the Titans offense needs someone who will fix what is broken. Palmer has no proven experience fixing anything, just managing well when everything is already in place.
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nope
but the browns were terrible on offense 100% of the time he was there, as were the Texans. when the bulk of a guy’s resume is failure, why the hell are we hiring him? he couldn’t even not suck in a made up football league!
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Their offense was the best in the UFL
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by August West on Feb 16, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
UFL stats
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by August West on Feb 16, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Yea but they had Cade McCown as their QB
so it wasn’t really fair for the rest of the league.
its funny how every one is get this in the draft trade for him we need the bla bla nla anyone even think we might not have the NFL next year if things dont shape up we wont need to disscuss this u guys are all 30-50 year old guys who sit on there butt and drink beer and watch Football ya when there is no NFL next year what u going to do then?
u may say im trying to start somthing here that may be true but i know more bout football than anyone of u
those stats can't be right
1300 yards over 8 games leads the league? no way.
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when have the Browns NOT been terrible on offense?
The ‘new’ browns that is?
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terrible argument
they have always had bad offenses because no one they have ever hired, Palmer included, has ever been able to do anything to fix it.
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I had a similar argument with him yesterday.
Its just not worth it hal. Apparently Palmer had major influence when his team had success, but very little influence on the offenses that were absolutely awful.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 16, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
Not completely terrible
You are assuming that “hiring someone that can fix it” can actually be done. What are legitimate expectations for the offense of a 1st year expansion team? He improved Houston’s offence as OC, if improve is taken to mean “getting better” vs “went from last to super bowl”.
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going from shit to suck is not improvement that interests me
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So you're looking for the magic wand wielding coach?
I don’t get it. He improved the offense, but since they were a brand new team and still “sucked” in the grand scheme of things, it doesn’t count and is a failure?
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I am looking for the magic wand wielding coach. (Aren't we all?!?!?!)
But since we can’t know who that is, at least take a flyer on a coach that doesn’t have a crappy resume.
What did your resume look like when...
your insurance company hired you?
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by titansfan4ever on Feb 16, 2011 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
Sooooo.....
you’ve ALWAYS been a success?
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by titansfan4ever on Feb 16, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
Has there been an expansion team that immediately started with an above average offense?
If not, then you can’t count it against Palmer since it hasn’t ever been done. Just taking a job was a guarantee to fail.
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jacksonville did it in year 2
palmer was canned in year 4 because they still sucked.
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So Jax was 3rd and 8th and that sucked?
Palmer was fired? Or he got a promotion?
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fired from Houston in week 2
he was just a placeholder for an offense in jacksonville that was already good. his strongest resume point is his ability to be hired by tom coughlin to coach on teams that are already successful.
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So if they were good it was despite Palmer
and if they were bad it was because of Palmer
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hal, BILL BELICHEAT sucked with the Browns!
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dur
that’s because pioli was the magic all along. the pats success was a lot more than just belichick.
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And the Browns' and Texans' failures were a lot more than Palmer, IMO.
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i'm sure they were
but simply being part of a larger problem is not a resume point
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nobody said it was a highlight
I just can’t call a 2 year stint grounds for dismissing his other accomplishments.
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his 5.16 years at cleveland and houston
are more than enough for me to dismiss his “accomplishment” of riding coughlin and parcell’s coattails.
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oh yeah, beacuse Parcell's and Coughlin are such offensive geniuses
pure coattail riding.
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bottom line
he succeeded where there was already success, and failed where there wasn’t.
also, given that we ripped Fisher for not having done anything for us “lately,” pegging our hopes on what happened in the 90’s is humorous at best.
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I'd describe it as making his QB improve at almost every stop
Eli wasn’t successful before Palmer by any stretch.
Neither was Jacksonville’s offense.
Carr improved every year under Palmer even as the offense struggled.
Romo had his breakout year with Palmer.
Bledsoe had one of his best years with Palmer, and capped it with a ring.
Are any of these things untrue?
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eli may have improved somewhat
but that offense was always second fiddle to the defense, and eli was, is, always will be, streaky at best. worst qb to win a super bowl since dilfer.
jacksonville’s offense was top 10 the year before he got there
he improved carr right out of ever being a starter again.
wanking motion for romo, as always, regardless of context or topic.
bledsoe was already well on his way to being a fine QB 2 years before palmer showed up.
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Not trying to argue
but I just want to point out that Bledsoe didn’t win the Super Bowl that year.
its funny how every one is get this in the draft trade for him we need the bla bla nla anyone even think we might not have the NFL next year if things dont shape up we wont need to disscuss this u guys are all 30-50 year old guys who sit on there butt and drink beer and watch Football ya when there is no NFL next year what u going to do then?
u may say im trying to start somthing here that may be true but i know more bout football than anyone of u
sorry, got that mixed up
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I wasn't saying all peolpe
but those people were certainly out there and vocal.
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by August West on Feb 16, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
I am actually pretty pumpled about
the Gray hire.
by numbertenox on Feb 16, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
er
make that pumped. I don’t know what pumpled is, but it can’t be good.
by numbertenox on Feb 16, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Wow
John Glennon relieved a lot of concern among fans who are willing to actually read-up on Palmer by explaining why the veteran coach was in the UFL last year: Palmer was offered an extension as the Giants’ QB coach while he had one year left on his contract, but he wanted a clause stating that he could interview for any NFL offensive coordinator spot if a team wanted him. The Giants had already denied other teams the chance to talk to him about OC positions. The Giants wouldn’t agree to that clause, so Palmer retired and went to the UFL the same day. If he still had a year left on his contract (which it sounds like he did) the Giants could deny him the right to work for any other NFL team since they still owned his rights for 2010. Worked out pretty well for him, no?
This is an AWESOME observation. Thank you for the info! MCM = Pretty dang neato.
Babin is a trill-seeker?
its funny how every one is get this in the draft trade for him we need the bla bla nla anyone even think we might not have the NFL next year if things dont shape up we wont need to disscuss this u guys are all 30-50 year old guys who sit on there butt and drink beer and watch Football ya when there is no NFL next year what u going to do then?
u may say im trying to start somthing here that may be true but i know more bout football than anyone of u
This thread ROCKS!!
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by titansfan4ever on Feb 16, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
or...
I’m an early bird and a night owl. So I’m wise and I have worms.
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by DonFrancisco on Feb 16, 2011 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
You guys need to leave gramsey alone!! He's entitled to his own opinion!!
Even if it is wrong….:-)
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Is this a Wednesday open thread?
New weekly MCM feature!
I’m an early bird and a night owl. So I’m wise and I have worms.
BOOM! You've been pharmacisted!
How about a "Weekly Argument"?
Pick a topic, then no-holds-barred debate and insults hurled at each other!
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by ronburgundy7427 on Feb 16, 2011 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
I thouroghly enjoyed it.
I usually sleep late so I always miss these epic debates but now that I’m a working man I’m hoping there will be more.
its funny how every one is get this in the draft trade for him we need the bla bla nla anyone even think we might not have the NFL next year if things dont shape up we wont need to disscuss this u guys are all 30-50 year old guys who sit on there butt and drink beer and watch Football ya when there is no NFL next year what u going to do then?
u may say im trying to start somthing here that may be true but i know more bout football than anyone of u
Climer is a hack.
He hates all the teams he writes about and is a absolute ass to everyone who comments on his live convo’s on the Tennessean.com. He is also retarded.
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