Johnson And Peterson: Which Contract Looks Worse?
When Chris Johnson inked his new $53.5 million contract over the summer after much pomp and circumstance, the eyes of the football watching population turned their eyes to Minnesota where the other superstar running back was searching for a new deal. He promptly signed on to be a Minnesota Viking for a monster deal that included seven years and $100 million. Talk about one upping.
Deals like this aren't tossed around lightly, it would be pointless to try and argue that either of these guys hadn't earned a significant pay raise for their services. Both had set prestigious records (Johnson's yards from scrimmage and Peterson's single game rushing record) and both were entering the peak years of their careers. Neither had a large history with injuries or ineffectiveness and both had a reputation for working hard to maintain their bodies to withstand a full NFL schedule. By all accounts, these deals were pretty much on point.
How quickly things can change.
Johnson's decline this year has been hard to watch. He's been both a victim of circumstance and his own playing style backfiring on him and the results haven't been pretty. Luckily for him, he'll most likely break the 1,000 yard mark this weekend against the Texans, but in a sixteen game season that's not setting the bar very high. He could still salvage the year with a 200 yard, 3 touchdown performance, but even then it'd be nearly impossible to erase the memory of how bad he's looked out there at times this year. Johnson's problem is with ineffectiveness. He's not looking like the player that earned a long term deal with electrifying runs and impossibly fast changes of direction. He was given the big bucks because he could change the game with one play. 2011 was just not his year. There comes a point where you have to stop blaming it all on the offensive line. Yes, the interior of it has been horrible, nearly the worst in football, but you don't earn the reputation of being one of the best in the game by playing behind a dominant line alone. CJ's trademark was being able to take a broken play and make it work. Unmatched speed and moves in the open field allowed him to do that. It's not that I think he doesn't have the same speed or quickness we saw in 2008-2010, I just think he's being too hesitant to use them. It's beyond cliche to say that he's not attacking holes like he needs to, but that' really the only way to describe what's going on so I'll reiterate.
However, CJ's got something still going for him; he's stayed relatively healthy. Yes, we've seen him slowed down by a series of minor injuries this year, but so far he's managed to avoid the big one. The importance of that cannot be overstated. For a player who depends on his speed and lateral quickness, blowing out a knee is even more crippling than it would be for less finesse-type players. What this means to me is that there's still a chance that he can return to being the player that kept everyone in America on the edge of their seats' for three electrifying years. With a full season of training camp (yes it's a big deal) and hopefully an upgrade on the interior line (Ben Grubbs anyone?) I fully expect to see a more finished product next season.
Adrian Peterson's decline wasn't a slow, painful descent, like CJ's, it was an abrupt blow beneath the belt to Vikings fans everywhere. Talk about your Pyrrhic victories; the Vikes picked up a meaningless regular season victory of the Redskins in Washington, but all it took was one sickening twist of a knee to send the face of their franchise to the ground, writhing in pain and unable to carry himself off the field. Not a good feeling for the front office who just poured a significant chunk of change into keeping this guy in purple for the next seven years. Peterson's problem is with injury. Not just any injury either. AP tore not only his ACL, but his MCL as well. The timetable on getting back into action alone is nine months*, putting him back on the field sometime in August or September of 2012. That means no training camp, no preseason, and a whole mess of new questions about the soon to be expired contracts of Ray Rice, Marshawn Lynch, and Matt Forte.
An injury like this not only sidelines the player for a good portion of time, it also may cause him to lose a step. Now, Adrian Peterson isn't human, so maybe this doesn't apply to him, but I'd be surprised to see him return to form completely. Poor Minnesota, first Joe Mauer and now this? Must be something in the water.
I often say that hindsight is 20/20, and in this case I think it rings extra-true, but from where I'm standing, Chris Johnson's bank breaking deal maybe doesn't look so bad in comparison.
* A more detailed foray into the specifics of this largely arbitrary date can be found here.
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Peterson's looks worse.
Now, if this story was written a week ago, Johnson would have been my answer. That big injury really hurt Peterson. Johnson I believe will be back to normal next year because he will have full camp and preseason to adjust everything. He didn’t have that in the holdout.
by TootooReigns on Dec 30, 2011 8:31 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Good article D Reese
Although Minnesota has to eat all of Mauer’s deal even if he never returns to form. Peterson is a different story as most of his money isnt guaranteed. Mike Floria loves questioning if the Titans will cut CJ after this season because CJ’s money isn’t guaranteed either (as if that will happen).
I disagree with this though :
“It’s not that I think he doesn’t have the same speed or quickness we saw in 2008-2010, I just think he’s being too hesitant to use them.”
I think CJ is noticably slower this year. He was caught from behind twice in the Colts game. Once by a safety. He has had one breakaway run this year (against the Bills), and even then he was almost caught, and the defenders probably would have caught him if there was another 20 yards before the goal line.
He is still very very fast, but I doubt he is still running a 4.24 40.
No, he's not as fast as he used to be, but he is also bigger than his rookie year.
I think was like 190 during his rookie campaign and now he’s around 210, which makes him a little slower but can endure more hits as his career progresses.
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Interesting
I noticed he looked more jacked but didnt look into his weight. I would prefer that he loses some bulk and do what he does best – making big plays. As for the concern about his health and the pounding he takes, I would like if the FO drafted a RB in round 3 or 4, or even better, sign a quality veteran like Mike Tolbert or Peyton Hillis (both free agents).
CJ’s skills aren;t suited for goal line or short yardage, so why not give those carries to a workhorse. I say we prolong his career by giving 40% of the carries to another RB.
While I agree the Titans should try to establish a two running back system that worked so well
when LenWhale was here, I think CJ will be better next year with a full offseason and training camp.
There is no reason now why he shouldnt be at all the OTA’s, training camp, etc doing everything he can to better himself as a player.
If that doesnt help, then maybe he just simply doesnt have it anymore…
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about that Bills game
Cj was supposed to have lost 10 pounds because of a stomach virus, I was thinking maybe that might be the reason he had such a big game (bills defense aside) but maybe gaining weight wasn’t THE best idea in the world, but wtf do I know???
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Poor Peterson
I hate the guy but it sucks seeing that happen to any player.
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Maybe the Vikings should sign ACL Recovery Expert Donnie Avery
by DustyPaynts on Dec 30, 2011 9:27 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
This
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by MikeGriffFan27 on Dec 30, 2011 10:13 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
CJ and AP are hated by the 3 RB you mention at the end.
Teams arent going to give those guys huge contract because of what happen with these two.
Ray Rice has been healthy and should get a good contract.
Marshawn Lynch just needs to get out of Seattle.
Matt Forte had his chances hurt by getting hurt, and the Bears having a decent backup that played ok. He was also helped by the fact that the Bears couldnt move the ball when he went down.
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by Titans_Firefighter on Dec 30, 2011 9:37 AM CST reply actions
Lynch is only 25. He'll get his share soon enough.
I couldn’t believe he was 25 when I looked it up. I assumed he was 28
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really he is only 25? I swear he has been in the league for at least 5 or 6 years.
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by Titans_Firefighter on Dec 30, 2011 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
Just looked it up, this is his 4th season.
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by Titans_Firefighter on Dec 30, 2011 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
my bad.
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by Titans_Firefighter on Dec 30, 2011 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
Sikes has been drinking...
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by StPrattrick on Dec 30, 2011 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
Just drink your way into the new year
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by StPrattrick on Dec 30, 2011 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
sucess
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by Titans_Firefighter on Dec 30, 2011 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
are you taking over fanoftheunderdog's title at MCM?
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by Titans_Firefighter on Dec 30, 2011 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
duslin?
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by MikeGriffFan27 on Dec 30, 2011 10:26 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
So... to answer the question, Peterson's looks worse.
Yes CJ is in a big time slump, but AP may never return to form. My tune of running backs has severely changed after this season. I do not think anyone outside of QB (even then I don’t think it is worth it, look at Pey Pey) should get a contract that big. All it takes is one weird accident, or that fire in their eyes gets a little dimmer… It’s not worth it anymore. IMO
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by StPrattrick on Dec 30, 2011 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
yes. this.
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by stetix01 on Dec 30, 2011 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
BTW Pratt, that interview that I have is to get on a Candidate list for the next 2 years for a full-time Fire Dept.
I’m the only one that is on the list due to a new law that IL passed back in August for written test, my test scored screwed up the test curve.
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by Titans_Firefighter on Dec 30, 2011 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
F- The Police!! That's awesome.
Is the candidate list still on lock-down for the Fire Department? I knew it was a few years back, but I thought they would have lifted it by now.
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by StPrattrick on Dec 30, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
No quite sure. This was the first I heard about the Law, and they are now trying to get it changed.
It was written for Chicago who gets 1000s of people that come. There were only about 10 people that showed up when 30 people took apps out for it. I would still have to pass my medic class, to get a chance to get on there.
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by Titans_Firefighter on Dec 30, 2011 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
Still, puts the ball in your hands. All you got to do is pass and you are in!
I had a couple buddies a few years back that passed everything then needed, but the department closed candidate process. So basically they had everything they needed to become fire fighters, but no where to go with it. Sucked something fierce.
One of my friends joined the Army just got go right into fire fighting for them, then once he got out he’d get a job at a station around here… but I would not recommend going that route.
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by StPrattrick on Dec 30, 2011 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Also, it may take longer to recover from this injury
Sometimes it takes a full year. If he had taken this injury at the beginning of the season, they would have a chance. But now I assume he misses a lot of stuff
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by MikeGriffFan27 on Dec 30, 2011 10:16 AM CST via mobile reply actions
his return in eight months is possible.
Wes Welker had the similiar type of injury. He was back in seven months. It is possible. I see AP playing but he might start the season on the PUP.
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AP does have a history of injuries, though
that’s why he fell to the Vikings. Not only was he hurt a couple times at OU, but he has missed games in 3 of his 5 years in the NFL.
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Also, Good post!
I had the same question after AP blew out his knee.
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I'd say both are equal but to me CJs is worse.
Right now thru 15 games CJ and AP are 16 & 17 respectively in rushing yards for the season. AP injury happened on the field and that is the risk of giving him(or any other player) a big contract. The risk of injury doesn’t change regardless the size of contract. CJ, we don’t know what his problem is or has been. He hasn’t been the CJ of old for most of the season. Yes, he had some flashes with CJ like games against Browns, Buccaneers, Bill, Panthers( his FOUR 100+plus games) but there is plenty of mid teens attempts for _ yards. CJ has told us, the problem isn’t with him but the O-line. The coaching staff tell us, they are diligently working on getting the run game going. The bottom line is the run game is at a crawl at best for this year. Poor performance wasn’t expected from CJ after he got his money by the fans. It should be noted that AP trails CJ in rushing yards by 16 yards(CJ has 986) yet has played in 3 fewer games this season. A return to form next season is due for both these running backs. I can’t for the 2012 season to start.
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you are right
we have no idea if it is CJ, the O-line, coaching, or maybe a combination of all three. hopefully its the O-line because that seems easier to fix.
probably the most fair and balanced article on CJ this year.
with that said, i think its too early to evaluate either one yet. cj is in the honeymoon phase and will get a pass for this year (though some have seen enough already). We will all be very optimistic next fall after training camp. but another year like this and i dont think it would be too early to call it a bust.
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by stetix01 on Dec 30, 2011 10:53 AM CST reply actions
IMO CJ is done
I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if the Titans cut CJ this offseason and use his $ to resign Finnegan.
RB’s are a dime a dozen and CJ has obviously lost a step or 3.
I wouldn't go that far
I think they would try to improve the O-line first and see how he does after spending an off season with them before they give up
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that is way too extreme for me right now
i would wait one more season to see if this still can be fixed before i do that
I think both teams are questioning their contract after this season.
But there’s no way to know which one looks worse until they’re played out.
If AP never gets back to form and CJ turns into a 1600+ yard rusher again, we’re obviously the “winners.”
If CJ continues to slow down, make poor decisions, etc, and AP comes back at full speed, then they aren’t really hurt all that much by their contract.
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by TennesseeTyrants on Dec 30, 2011 11:53 AM CST reply actions
This is why people don't give big-money deals to running backs.
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I think both teams lost big time.
I’m leaning towards saying the Titans lost worst though. The Vikings got good production from AP, and he should return close to a pre-injury form after the rehab (look at Welker). I think his contract is ridiculous and outlandish, but they should continue to get a return on their investment.
As the season has progressed its gotten harder to ignore the voice in my head saying that CJ is done. I hope he returns to form, but he doesn’t have the injury excuse that AP will have for the next year or so. Even if he improves, I think we’re past the days of the Great CJ, and Good CJ is only slightly better than any other RB in the NFL.
Both of these situations demonstrate why you shouldn’t hand over the bank to RBs.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 30, 2011 12:41 PM CST reply actions
I'm not giving the guy a pass, but I have seen flashes of the speed and elusiveness that made CJ great in the past.
And in all fairness, I can’t name but 3 other running backs that would produce with our Oline. Everyone else would be mince meat just like CJ has been this year. I’m not saying 10 other running backs wouldn’t have produced more than CJ this year, but I don’t think anyone besides MJD, Foster or AP would have 1400+ seasons behind our dumpster fire interior line.
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I think I could count on two hands the number of times I've seen that patented CJ burst this year.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 30, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
I think CJ could count on both hands how many times he's been able to escape the backfield without being hit behind the line
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Most of the time he's just waiting around back there...
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You're just waiting around back there....
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by JustinS on Dec 30, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
RE: Welker
Pointing to one successful recovery doesn’t mean that all athletes can expect the same. However, medicine and rehab may have changed dramatically over the past decade. Two big-name RBs that never fully got their mojo back after ACL/MCL blowouts include the Falcon’s Jamal Anderson and the Bronco’s Terrel Davis. They may not have suffered the same injury on the same knee, but cascading injuries occurred and they had 1-2 below-average seasons before hanging up the cleats.
But like I said, medicine may have advanced enough that with the dedication and will-power (AP appears to have both), that AP can come back to form. I’m hesitant to expect it, though.
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We all can agree the thing that Cj has over other Rbs is
He stays healthy enough to not, mis games.
and is tough enough to play through pain
In the W/L column? Probably not.
But we would have a better idea of how our running game is w/o him. Ringer and Harper haven’t proven to get the job done either (even less so). If he did miss a game this year, many fans would have to find a new lightning rod for criticism.
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let’s put it this way; it would matter if the old CJ missed a game. that’s what we’re working towards here.
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We'd probably win more games.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 30, 2011 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
why's that?
change of early strategy? (and how many games did the team run excessively in the first quarter?)
or better production from the other backs? (what games this year did Ringer actually produce more with evenly split carries – where the defense was treating each more evenly)
I don’t recall many game-changing fumbles by CJ. There was that INT on him… but with football being so much more of a team sport, the QB gets credit on that too.
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I would say we'd probably be more balanced instead of forcing the ball into CJs hands early and often
I honestly wish we would have pretty much given up on running about 6 games ago and focused more on airing it out and getting the ball into Cook’s hands earlier then last week. We have other weapons, but for whatever reason we are waiting till now to explore our other options.
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Jacksonville's secondary
at this point is full of cast offs and practice squad players (and we still only put up 23). can’t take much away from that game.
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Yes to the "change of early strategy."
For most of the year my take on the run game has been try it out, if its not working, abandon it. There was a time when I’d say to just keep running ‘till he broke one. Now, I don’t subscribe to that theory. So yes, if CJ was out, I think it would force us to pass more, which gives us our best chance at winning.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 30, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
i can see cj making a return to form next year after being in camp for the first time in a while.
I actually think he will have a great game on sunday. And will leave it all on the field.
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I'm saying CJ's
Reason being, he’s played poorly for MY team. I really am not caring how much the Vikings pay their players, it has no affect on me as a team. I will say this though, if everything happens we need to get into the playoff’s and we get to ride CJ to a Superbowl win, then I’ll never complain about his contract again.
if you think CJs is bad
APs has to be worse, cuz there’s no way he’s gonna give double CJs production, all other things being equal.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 30, 2011 6:59 PM CST reply actions
is it? we always bitch about how terrible of a thing this deal is but we never really consider how much worse it could’ve been.
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The talk about CJ's contract in general is the dead horse.
I haven’t seen any new arguments for or against it since the start of CJ’s suck streak. Everybody just keeps repeating the same points over and over.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 30, 2011 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
I think CJ’s contract will look much better if…
… the team gets a better run blocking LG, RG, and C for the middle of their O-line…
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I think CJ’s contract will look much better if…
… the team gets a better run blockingLG, RG, and C for the middle of theirO-line…
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 31, 2011 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
If you say so but…
… I don’t see Roos and Stewart being the problem here.
Could be wrong but I never here anyone during the broadcasts or on talk radio say those 2 are the problem. It’s always Amano and Harris and Scott…
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by steeler-hater on Dec 31, 2011 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
Roos and Stewart aren't the problem at all.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Dec 31, 2011 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
And three other O-lineman are.
So we need a better run blocking O-line in general.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 31, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
He called out the 3 positions that are the problem by name.
You corrected him, calling out the whole O-line, which implies that you felt the need to group Roos and Stewart in with the guys he mentioned.
If you agreed with him, I’m not sure why you corrected him.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Dec 31, 2011 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
Because it was a joke?
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 31, 2011 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
Damn internet and me not picking up on jokjes.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
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