Matt Hasselbeck Refuses to Throw the Ball Down the Field
by Jimmy on Dec 20, 2011 1:40 PM CST
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I said yesterday that it is obvious Matt Hasselbeck is hurt. That is the only plausible explanation for why he refuses to throw the ball down the field. Then last night I saw this from NFL.com:
And with their lack of a ground game, the Titans’ lack of a vertical passing attack left them with no way to compensate through the air. Matt Hasselbeck was just 2-of-4 for 37 yards and an interception on passes over 10 yards (he didn’t throw a single pass over 20 yards). We credit much of Hasselbeck’s woes to his receivers, who ran sloppy routes and were unable to create separation downfield.
Keep in mind that Hasselbeck threw the ball 40 times on Sunday. 40 times. You cannot win NFL football games throwing the ball less than 10 yards 90% of the time.
I understand that he has limited options as far as weapons are concerned, but that is just ridiculous.
You can also check that post out for some evidence on just how bad Eugene Amano is.
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by StPrattrick on Dec 20, 2011 1:58 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Re:
We credit much of Hasselbeck’s woes to his receivers, who ran sloppy routes and were unable to create separation downfield.
This probably shouldn’t just be glossed over…
Since the general masses don’t have access to this footage, it’s hard to really draw any meaningful conclusions.
by SuperHorn on Dec 20, 2011 1:58 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I was just going to say this.
How can that any QB be successful if receivers are running sloppy routes and are unable to creat separation?
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Agreed.
I really hated seeing all the checkdowns, but I was left wondering if it was Hass, the WRs, or playcalling.
In the end, it’s probably a combination of the 3, but noting that our WRs couldn’t get open at least gives an explanation for why Hass refuses to throw deep to them.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Dec 20, 2011 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
He has a history of not throwing downfield for the Seahawks as well.
Only OC Jeremy Bates’ insistence that it be in the cards forced him to chuck it up in 2010. 2009 was awful in that department… I can’t link to any particular stats atm but everyone at Field Gulls felt that way a couple years ago.
As for the Seahawks, they shall have stars at elbow and foot...Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion.
StPatrick and TN Tyrant.... no offense but why are you such Hass apologists?
The guy very clearly has sucked lately and you seem very willing to overlook it.
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by Deaconbrodie on Dec 21, 2011 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
Please stop this;
Indy ran an "over" front, shifting a three-technique defensive tackle to the tight end side of Tennessee’s formation. That put a "one-technique" tackle over Titans center Eugene Amano.
Amano, who is not the most powerful at the point of attack, struggled to block Antonio Johnson and Ricardo Mathews off the snap. They affected Chris Johnson on zone stretch plays, bringing instant penetration on weak-side runs and eliminating the cutback on plays to the strong-side. When Amano received help from either guard, that freed up linebackers to flow to the ball.
From ever happening again…
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by StPrattrick on Dec 20, 2011 1:59 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
The only way to stop that from ever happening again is to find a new C.
I’m surprised teams are just now doing this to him.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Dec 20, 2011 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
find a new C.
Correct.
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by StPrattrick on Dec 20, 2011 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Totally agree with this! I say draft one in 2nd or 3rd round...or ...
Pick one up in free agency, get someone who’s proven.
Found this tidbit on walterfootball.com –
“Chris Myers has been the best center in football this year; I wrote as much when I listed my Pro Bowl picks on my NFL Picks pages a week ago. But Myers will be a free agent this offseason along with Mario Williams and Arian Foster. Can the Texans afford to sign all three players to massive contracts? Because there’s no way they’re letting Williams and Foster go.”
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by Deaconbrodie on Dec 21, 2011 8:03 PM CST up reply actions
That argument is getting so old to me.
It seems like every time CJ has a bad game, we’re supposed to line up into two camps. 1 camp blames CJ, the other camp blames the Offensive line.
The fact of the matter is, both are terrible.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Dec 20, 2011 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
But when he has a good game, it's all CJ and we still have a horrible O-line
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I disagree. Munchak lit into the O-line before CJ's 190 yard game.
So the O-line can have good games too but overall they’ve sucked too. Its definitely a combination of both.
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by Deaconbrodie on Dec 21, 2011 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
CJ will thrive when Locker starts.
He is better with a mobile quarterback because that threat of a run causes the defenses to stall for a split second, and that is all CJ needs. Just wait and see – He will be back (I hope).
by sm00thBlue on Dec 20, 2011 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
The stats show that he has been overly productive with a mobile QB
and average or less than with a pocket QB. When Vince came in for the last 10 in 2009 CJ had arguably the greatest ten games of any RB in the NFL. I for one think Blue is right about this one.
"I can name 31 other starting running backs that would have made that play" 104.5 the zone
The sample size was one and a half seasons with KC, one season under Hass, and one and a half seasons with Vince.
That is plenty to sample, and the stats prove that he is a more productive back with a mobile QB.
"I can name 31 other starting running backs that would have made that play" 104.5 the zone
one and a half seasons with Vunce???
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ok more like one and a quarter
"I can name 31 other starting running backs that would have made that play" 104.5 the zone
Just looked it up, they played 21 games together.
"I can name 31 other starting running backs that would have made that play" 104.5 the zone
CJ had 1200 yards his rookie year (2008) with Collins starting the whole way.
Granted, it was his rookie year so he was more of an unknown…but he still did that with Collins starting the entire season.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 20, 2011 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
he also had Kevin Mawae in 2008
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by hal41605 on Dec 20, 2011 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
And vision.
I just think it’s silly to say it’s simply the QB that is the difference between good CJ and bad CJ.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 20, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
A warm Kevin Mawae corpse would be better than Amano at this point
Bring. him. back.
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by gramsey712 on Dec 20, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And Alge Crumpler
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 21, 2011 1:05 AM CST up reply actions
Very true,
but it is still a statistical fact that he has produced more with a mobile QB. I’m not arguing that Locker will fix the running game, just pointing out some things i’ve read about his stats.
"I can name 31 other starting running backs that would have made that play" 104.5 the zone
O RLY?
Statistical facts are easily verifiable. Care to provide some evidence?
Coming from someone who’s been on the other side of this argument, I can tell you that I’m more in touch with this data than I’d care to admit, and the influence of Vince on CJ’s run game was not nearly as pronounced as you’d like to believe.
Not trying to be an ass about it, but check out the statistics. It doesn’t jive with what you’re saying.
by SuperHorn on Dec 20, 2011 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Uh? Average?
In those first 6 games of 2009, he averaged 6.27 YPC. In the games that followed with Vince, he averaged 5.36 YPC. Context is important considering the attention he got in those last few games, but those first 6 were hardly average.
I definitely hope he bounces back.
I think having a mobile QB helps, but I don’t think that just explains everything away. Look at his season in 2008 with Collins.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Dec 20, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
We're now blaming the QB for CJ not running?
First its the line, then playcalling, now QB. Basically, everyone but CJ.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 20, 2011 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
no
it’s basically SuperHorn’s CJ + VY argument from years back, which ended up being completely right.
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For a game or 2
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Yes, going from Kerry to Vince made CJ go from very good to outstanding.
But playing with Kerry did not give CJ 2 YPC.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 20, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
Hass has been more mobile this season then KC ever was in his career,
and CJ got 2K yards with KC under center… sooooo?
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No, see Hass is supposed to handoff, then go block three linebackers.
And then turn, yell and point out the hole to CJ, who is still probably running backwards at this point.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 20, 2011 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This makes me proud
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I know, right?
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I'm just fed up with him and those thinking its about fill-in-the-blank position around him.
I don’t think any player or coach has more of my hate directed at them than CJ.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 20, 2011 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
What about Griffin? Amano? Harris? MATT HASSELBECK?!!!!11
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 20, 2011 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
With that pick6 and not even an attempt to track the CB down...
my hope for him was washed away with that TD.
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you do know he was laying on the ground right?
because the CB basically ran through him. you might wanna go watch the replay on NFL.com
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No wonder CJ can't run!
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Collins only played 6 games during CJ's 2k season.
"I can name 31 other starting running backs that would have made that play" 104.5 the zone
Funny, those were his worst rushing games of the year too.
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It's right, but a little out of context here.
I mean, sure, it helped in 2009. You look at CJ’s 2009 numbers, though, and they aren’t dramatically different from pre-VY (ie, the 0-6 period). Problem is that CJ look SOOOOO bad today, that it’s not like we’re looking for a little uptick. We’re looking for a total overhaul. A QB change alone won’t produce that effect.
Exactly.
Playing with a mobile QB will certainly help his production, but its not suddenly going to make him a competent back again.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 20, 2011 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
Completely off-topic but just saw the Mocking the Draft mock...
I’d actually be ok with that first two rounds for us, then address WR and S with the next picks. Also, he has Jeffery falling all the way to 27, hmm…
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 20, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
I can see Jeffery falling even out of the first round.
He’s not fast, and that’s going to kill him. He seems fast enough when he plays, but I think a lot of teams will be concerned with the 40 time he puts up at the combine. And what his weight is.
I like the MtD mock. I’m much more open to what position we should take this year, compared to last year when there was no question in my mind that we had to take a QB at 8. I just want as many starters as possible.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 20, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
I can agree with that.
We’ve gotten three starters, two contributors and one future starter (Locker) out of this draft. One more draft with three starters and multiple contributors who could potentially become starters would give us a great young nucleus. I just hope we don’t pull a shocker like when we grabbed CJ (though in fairness, that one worked out), we’ve got some obvious positions of need so I’d like to see those addressed early.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 20, 2011 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
I'd take him @ 27
Huge guy, down year due to total fail QB situation at SC. May not be a burner but so?
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Oh for sure he's worth the value there.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 20, 2011 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
FWIW, I think Jeffery has the best hands in the draft.
Whether he has the best work ethich, clean slate off the field, etc. is yet to be determined. But when I’ve watched him play, there is no doubt he has an enormous amount of raw talent.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 20, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
CJ will thrive once we have a passing game
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 21, 2011 1:07 AM CST up reply actions
Amano was one man on the line who they had an answer for on some plays.
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Amano, the Center effects
All run plays, if you get penetration right off the snap up the middle, the run play is usually ruined, no matter what running back you are
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Dec 21, 2011 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
Cue irrational CJ haters absolving the O-line of any responsibility in 3...2...1...
Goes both ways.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 20, 2011 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Easier to blame 1 man for his problems instead of an entire line for theirs
As far as I can tell, they aren’t a hive-mind…
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To be clear, i think on any given play one of them is going to blow chunks.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 20, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
We can all be sure of that, in seasons past the line has been good enough where they can cover up for other teammates faults
this season… not so much.
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That's just as silly as the other way.
Of course the O-line is responsible, but so is CJ. They both suck.
The difference is, the O line sucked last year, and CJ still rushed for 1300 yards.
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by TennesseeTyrants on Dec 20, 2011 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed!
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by Deaconbrodie on Dec 21, 2011 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
The throwing around of the word 'apologist' is getting as old as this argument is.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 20, 2011 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
Like i've said
the WHole Year, O-line play is the biggest Problem.
can somebody please fire Amano, please??
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Dec 21, 2011 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
I love the title to this article... haha
“THIS JUST IN: HASSELBECK HATES THROWING THE FOOTBALL!!”
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Hasselbeck =
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shitword, that was suppose to be for the daily-links
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When has another running back played as bad as CJ and people thought he could still be good?
I almost think he must be trying to play poorly. He is irrelevant. You could plug in almost any player from any position and get better output than he is providing.
Also I have never heard excuses before for a downturn in a running back’s performance like I am hearing for CJ. Every other time a running back’s performance starts sucking like this that I can think of, it has been attributed to the running back’s career being over and a typical short shelf life for the position.
Most other running backs don't explode for 190 and 150 yards after getting decent blocking. Most other running backs who experience downturns aren't 26.
by NoMoreMustache on Dec 20, 2011 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
this
also, when you’re behind a bad O-line, you don’t run well.
look at it this way, Cj behind his 2009 O-line, which was below average (ranked 22) ran for 2006 yards.
But when it goes down to the 32nd ranked o-line, last year and this year, production drops
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