Munchak: Matt Hasselbeck is Still Titans Starting QB
by Jimmy on Dec 19, 2011 3:49 PM CST
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Mike Munchak announced at his weekly press conference that Matt Hasselbeck will be the starting quarterback against the Jaguars on Saturday if he is healthy enough to play, and he said there is no reason to believe that he will not be healthy enough to play. I find it really hard to believe that no one asked Munchak why Hasselbeck was limping on a stretch play if he is so healthy.
The scary thing to me here is that all of the things that Mike Munchak sounded an awful lot like Jeff Fisher in his answers today. It is clear to anyone who has watched Hasselbeck play over the last few weeks that something is not right- well clear to everyone except Munch.
Again, my point here is that Matt Hasselbeck is not healthy right now. It is obvious by the fact that he refuses to throw the ball more than 10 yards down the field. That is why Jake Locker should be the starter this week. He is healthy and gives the Titans the better chance to win.
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Hasselback isnt that good
Everyone was giving him a pass when the passing game was not working and blaming the receivers…Locker seems to find guys down the field and be able to target cook…I think Hasselback’s play has been mediocre to poor for most of the year, except when Kenny Britt was around…
Afters Jonnes stops the caw caw
Does Hawk play better
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by Dagger22 on Dec 19, 2011 4:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Soooo....... this was sarcasm right?
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100% bull shit
but i guess that having a few good plays does make you the better player
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Hawk has never been above 100 yrds
Hawk just got his first TD this season after 4 years in the league
and when talking about consistency after Nate is not really saying much. It’s like being the second smartest “slow” kid in the third grade after you’ve been held back four years
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remember this is 1st year playing significant minutes
He was buried on the bench by Fisher. Hawkins is progressing and growing as a player each passing game
i still have my doubts about him
DWILL is a better player in my opinion
November 13, 2011................ The Day i bought my Start McCarthy Train Ticket
IMO they both should be cut going into next year
I wouldn’t bat an eye if Hawk and Cook aren’t in Columbia blue next year. DWill will get a break because he is only a 2nd year player in his first season in this pop-gun offense of ours. We need to get more offensive weapons and pass rushers in this years draft. Or we won’t be in position to even talk about making the playoffs.
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by NJD28 on Dec 19, 2011 9:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Unless Hawk makes some changes in the offseason, you're probably right.
I think Cook will be back though. DWill definitely. But seeing as how they won’t put Locker in right now, who knows how quick they are to cut ties with Hawk.
Hawk does have an opportunity in the next two games to show what he has, though. I got a rookie autographed jersey card of him that I’ve been hoping not to throw in a shoebox for storage. I hope he does pick it up so the card gains value, and more importantly so he helps my favorite color of laundry win some games this year and next.
I wish i was there
to boo him when he made that announcment.
Houston is just lucky the AFC south sucked so bad this year.
or throw a shoe
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it would have been struck by lightening before it hit him
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by bond003 on Dec 19, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
how he can look people in the eye
and say matt isn’t injured… what a jackass.
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or say he gives the team a better chance to win than Locker
We have video evidence this is false…see the Atlanta Game and Saints games
My Madden team also agrees
Except I traded Hass and 3 1sts to New England for Brady and Ochocinco. So we went 15-1 and won the SB this year.
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by NJD28 on Dec 19, 2011 9:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sounds like a raising of the white flag
Meh, 7-9 still is more than i expected and if Hass isnt healthy and Munch is doing this, there has to be a player in the draft he wants so bad that he will drop the next two games. Better draft position or a chance at playoffs, at this point im fine with either
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by Dagger22 on Dec 19, 2011 4:04 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Do you honestly believe Mike Munchak thinks its in his best interest to lose football games?
2012: The year we clip the Hawk.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
what else could you infer?
that’s he’s really too stupid to recognize what a limp is, and how it’s generally a sign of injury? that he can’t look at box scores and see hasselbeck’s production plummet ever since the elbow injury?
Pearl for Life.
I hate football.
That there is no way in hell a professional football coach with a Hall of Fame pedigree just said screw it, I don't want to win games.
2012: The year we clip the Hawk.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
so he's just ignorant and inept?
no one with half a brain cell could overlook how much worse Hass has been since he started picking up injuries.
Pearl for Life.
I hate football.
I don't care that you think he's ignorant and inept.
Maybe he has reasons for starting Hass. All I’m saying is that he’s not tanking games. That is ridiculous.
2012: The year we clip the Hawk.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
No, I don't.
I think he’s protecting his player.
2012: The year we clip the Hawk.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
No, protecting him from the media today.
Not yesterday. Playing him yesterday would be a joint decision between the coaches and player.
2012: The year we clip the Hawk.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
it's his fault matt is subject to criticism in the first place!
he’s the one who sent him out there injured.
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I personally love how WTF seems to ride on the coaches jock.
I was called a fool and all sorts of other things for calling out Palmer last week. Anyone who can’t see that the problem on this team is the coaches, and especially Palmer is the idiot of this group.
"I can name 31 other starting running backs that would have made that play" 104.5 the zone
Plus the players sorta suck...
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Does Munchak have confidence in Locker?
It all feels so forced upon Hass to play injured because Locker must ride the pine no matter what.
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by Dagger22 on Dec 19, 2011 4:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think he's got confidence both.
There’s just an inherent thing with coaches to go with the veteran, in my opinion.
2012: The year we clip the Hawk.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
Being under Fisher for so long
And with the QB issues most recent prior to 2011 I can see why he wouldnt want to rush Locker into this. And i was fine with Munch trying to go with Hass til the half. But he didnt make proper adjustments (if any) at half. I can chalk it up for now to him learning but I hope its just that.
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by Dagger22 on Dec 19, 2011 4:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
People make a big deal out of the Fisher-Munchak dynamic,
but I do think its every coach. Look at Frazier. He waited until McNabb had pieced together several putrid, absolutely awful performances and was left with no choice but to go with Ponder. But its clear he didn’t make that move ’till he absolutely could not leave McNabb in any longer.
2012: The year we clip the Hawk.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
The Vikings have SEVERE problems that not even Tebow could help
Not to mention Hass at 50% health is still better than McNabb
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by Dagger22 on Dec 19, 2011 4:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
But that's the overall point.
It seems to me, that most coaches won’t play the rookie QB unless they’re forced to.
2012: The year we clip the Hawk.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
lol "forced to"
so a shot at the playoffs isn’t a good enough reason not to play a guy who is clearly hurt?
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I hate football.
Im not saying he has to play locker when hass is 100%
But does the injury not force you to play Locker? I dont understand why it did in ATL and NO games but not against Indy.
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by Dagger22 on Dec 19, 2011 4:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Or you're the Sparkle Kitties and are just incompetent in general.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
Do you think its in his best interest to not put ALL of the players that give us the best chance to win?
Not only starting but keeping Hass in who was clearly hurt and not effective was risky, ill advised and was a contributing factor in the loss. I know you want Locker to sit and I respect that but why risk injuring Hass further when he could get healthy for playoffs. Now im not sure it matters but atleast either way we go there are positives to take away
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by Dagger22 on Dec 19, 2011 4:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think Munchak honestly believes Hasselbeck gives us the best chance to win, based the 14 games we've seen.
2012: The year we clip the Hawk.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
When 100% healthy I can respect that opinion
But not when he is as injured as he was yesterday.
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by Dagger22 on Dec 19, 2011 4:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
bahahaha you really believe that?
GTFO
"I can name 31 other starting running backs that would have made that play" 104.5 the zone
Yes because Munchak has personnel power for the draft...
It may be stubborn on his part, but to say a Hall of Fame player and now coach is making decisions intentionally like that is just ridiculous.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
I gotta start using symbols when im not fully serious
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by Dagger22 on Dec 19, 2011 4:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, if you were joking it wasn't clear at all.
And obviously with this announcement and things already somewhat heated, it’s only going to get worse, so unless it’s blatantly obvious sarcasm you may want to make it clear by DOING THIS!!!111 Or the sarcasm font for less rage-filled sarcasm…
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
Not really sarcasm, but not really my die hard feeling.
How would I mark that?
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by Dagger22 on Dec 19, 2011 4:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
question mark?
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Perhaps...
Upside down question mark?
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by Dagger22 on Dec 19, 2011 4:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Wait i got it
does this work
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fail
does this work
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Nevermind i hate computers
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I really don't
want to say this but maybe he spent to much time under Fisher!
by toysandprojects on Dec 19, 2011 4:09 PM CST reply actions
we've got our own mike singletary
great playing pedigree, lots of big talk, not a fucking clue about actually being a head coach.
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by hal41605 on Dec 19, 2011 4:13 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I hate to agree, but you may be right!
"Power corrupts. Absolute power is kind of neat."
by MexicanTitanFreak on Dec 19, 2011 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
Im not ready to go there yet
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by Dagger22 on Dec 19, 2011 4:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
true
Singletary was actually able to coach his own position. Munchak can’t even do that anymore.
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should munchak be fired? or are we just screwed for a while?
For the Jake of argument ...
by BythePowerofMunchak! on Dec 19, 2011 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
This thread reads like an Eagles gamethread...
2012: The year we clip the Hawk.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
jesus christ i was being sarcastic
it was a jab at hal
For the Jake of argument ...
by BythePowerofMunchak! on Dec 19, 2011 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry, hard to read.
We had a lot of those calls today.
2012: The year we clip the Hawk.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
Being from Philly
I agree with this a million percent
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by Dagger22 on Dec 19, 2011 5:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You have read Eagles gamethreads?
Do they even exist?
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by NJD28 on Dec 19, 2011 10:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
In hal's alternate reality where every coach's first season predicts their future:
1. Bill Belichick never won more than 6 games
2. Tom Coughlin sucks and never led a team to the playoffs.
3. With Fisher, you’ll be lucky to win one game a year.
4. Vince Lombardi was an average coach.
5. Every Bill Parcells team was a loser.
6. Mike Munchak turns out to be the next Mike Singletary.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:18 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
inb4 raging incoherent hal:
No offense. :)
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
DramaticHal should be our coach
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
I understand where you're coming from Hal.
I think we have to give Munchak at least another year, but Palmer has to go. He in no way is competent enough to coach an NFL offense.
"I can name 31 other starting running backs that would have made that play" 104.5 the zone
I think he truly believes that Hasselbeck gives us a better chance to win
But I think his opinion is based on the entire year instead of the last 5 (or so) games. As an NFL Coach, I think a certain amount of stability vs reactionary behavior is expected and respected. If he benches Hasselbeck and starts Locker there’s no going back so I think he probably wants to be 100% sure.
I think all of this and I still think he’s wrong.
by theologic on Dec 19, 2011 4:13 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
That's actually a good theory.
Although considering Hasselbeck is banged up I think it could easily be said Locker is starting due to injury, mitigating the whole “We’re in the Jake Locker Era now and can never go back!” thing.
But I could definitely see an old-school coach believing the veteran gives the best chance to win, and maybe thinking in the back of his mind that once they go with Locker, they have to commit to him and not wanting to cause any schisms in the locker room over that.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
I think the media would believe the "due to injury" excuse
But Hasselbeck would know the truth and likely the rest of the team would too. I think Hasselbeck’s calf is hurting him, but I think the real issue is that his arm has worn down as the year has gone on. Maybe he realizes it and maybe he doesn’t. However, I don’t care how nice a guy he is he’s not going to openly admit he can’t throw the ball for a full year anymore. That type of admission could cost him a million dollars or more.
Nor would I expect him to.
He’s a veteran start who’s had success in this league. That’s where you do need to fault Munchak and Palmer for not pulling him yesterday then explaining it afterwards. Doesn’t have to be due to performance, can just be chalked up to injury. Might have tempered any sort of controversy that has now risen.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
Football is a game of adjustments.....
If you don’t make them, you lose. Moreover, it doesn’t help the Jakes confidence to keep being thrown into situations where we only have a hope, a prayer, and a few minutes on the clock. Clearly Matt was limping on the first play of the game. Munchak is not exactly inspiring confidence in his decison making as a leader this season.
by memphisbleek on Dec 19, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
Wyatt on NFLN just said Munchak intends to go with Hass the whole way.
Paraphrasing, he got us here, he’ll take us the rest of the way.
2012: The year we clip the Hawk.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 4:23 PM CST reply actions
I can respect that.
It’s two games people, let’s not forget that.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
I hope hass is 100% then or he could be further injured
And then its no question who the starter is…
RUSTY TIME!
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IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!!!!
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A healthy Hasselbeck > any rookie QB in the NFL...
The trouble is, he isn’t healthy. He looked terrible yesterday, along with the majority of his teammates, but that goes without saying… Jake is twice as fast, appears to have twice the arm strength, & because of his mobility the backside Will & End have to stay at home, leaving them susceptible to CJ’s cut backs… I’m worried about a defense game-planning for Locker & seeing something we don’t and making him look like a rookie QB, but at this point that’s a chance I’d be willing to take. Jake Locker > an injured Matt Hasselhoff… The bottom line after yesterday: “I just want to feel like a winner!”
Wow coach!!??
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by MexicanTitanFreak on Dec 19, 2011 4:24 PM CST reply actions
As a head coach he is a manager
In his opinion he is managing for the long term success of the franchise. He is not necessarily managing to win this weeks game.
by setitan on Dec 19, 2011 4:26 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I see your point but if Hass gets permantly hurt....
while playing hurt during the last two weeks how is that managing the long term success of the franchise when we obvisouly have future plans for him at least as a backup?
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by bullrider73 on Dec 20, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
Disappointment.
I just cant see why he doesn’t want to win these games. Hasselbeck is not the QB right now that he was at the beginning of the year. There is no reason to stick with him and say he will give us a better chance to win, its ludicrous.
Ain't no time for hesitatin'
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 4:29 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Doesnt want to give Locker the gig when perhaps Locker wont start til 2013...
Perhaps the plan is to use Hass for two full seasons or til he goes to IR? Eh?…who knows
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by Dagger22 on Dec 19, 2011 4:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I would expect a QB battle in camp.
2012: The year we clip the Hawk.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
I now have less faith there will be a QB battle, and if there is i would expect Munch to pick Hasselbeck even if he is outperformed.
Because clearly poor play is no reason to sit a guy.
Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove
by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
There are other factors at hand.
Again, from listening to Wyatt’s report, I can understand why Munchak wants to go with the guy that got them this far. Next year is a new year, clean slate. Best man takes it.
2012: The year we clip the Hawk.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
If he still wants to go with Hasselbeck after his clear regression and clear injury, then he is blind.
Look at Hasselbecks stats by just month on NFL.com and tell me why he deserves to start any more.
Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove
by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 5:12 PM CST up reply actions
I don't disagree there's a decline there, and something to be considered in the 2012 QB battle.
But I don’t think Munchak is nearly as dumb as everyone’s making him out to be.
2012: The year we clip the Hawk.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
When you say that Hasselbeck is not injured, and you play a QB for 3.5 quarters of a game when he came up limping on the first play...
I’d say its not out of line to question his intelligence on the issue.
Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove
by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 5:16 PM CST up reply actions
I think there should be an open competition in training camp next year.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
i would expect nothing less
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and rusty smith will win it
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by BythePowerofMunchak! on Dec 19, 2011 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
What is really frustating considering
Background is the continued suckitude of the running game. IMO CJ needs an offensive line of Abrams tanks to be successful. If somebody breathes on him he falls down. You keep expecting a burst that never happens. Makes you wonder if there is a physical problem or if he has just lost it either mentally or physically.
by setitan on Dec 19, 2011 4:34 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Id give CJ one more year with a full offseason with the titans again
Who knows what he did in Orlando during the lockout
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by Dagger22 on Dec 19, 2011 4:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Oh well ...
There’s always next year for Locker, where he’ll have a full arsenal of weapons plus (hopefully) a non shitty offensive line.
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by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Dec 19, 2011 4:35 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Part of me wants to believe that Munchak knows the offense is terrible right now.
And is just trying to protect the guy who is the future.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
Part of me also wants to believe that Munchak knows the interior o-line is garbage.
And that no matter how he coaches them, they will remain bad. So, it’s time to scratch them and get new players at those positions.
by infinitystealth on Dec 19, 2011 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
This is saying a lot, but I don't think I've ever seen this much overreaction on this site.
A coach decides to stick with a veteran QB over throwing in the rookie, and some people would have you believe he’s not capable of coaching a pop warner team. This is just getting ridiculous.
The coaching staff in general has done a good job this year, based on our actual number of wins versus expected number of wins, but one bad game and one controversial decision, and we’re ready to can Munchak.
I’d personally love to see Locker out there. I think he’s a more skilled QB than Hass and probably even gives us the best chance to win the next two games, but it seems evident to me that they are reluctant to play Locker this year. Rest assured that the coaches are not idiots. They know what they are doing at least to an extent, or they wouldn’t have ever become NFL coaches to start with. That doesn’t mean they don’t make mistakes, but if they have a plan, and that plan is to sit Locker this year, then I don’t have any issue with a coaching staff sticking to the plan.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd.
Well said.
2012: The year we clip the Hawk.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
When you say it like that, agreed!
"Power corrupts. Absolute power is kind of neat."
by MexicanTitanFreak on Dec 19, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
Every one of them.
Including the 7 wins.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Dec 19, 2011 6:24 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
Point, Tyrants.
2012: The year we clip the Hawk.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 6:24 PM CST up reply actions
Seconded
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:28 PM CST up reply actions
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:28 PM CST up reply actions
For the love of God, this.
Even in my most pessimistic moments (and trust me, I can get pretty goddamn pessimistic), I don’t understand the “OMG FIRE MUNCH” outbursts. Yeah, Locker might give us a better chance to win, but I’m not terribly concerned about the playoffs this year anyway honestly. I had us ending up at 6-10 at the beginning of the season and we could feasibly hit 9-7 with a little luck and some guys stepping up against the Houston IRans. Realistically this is not a team that’s going deep into the playoffs yet. We have a new HC, OC, and DC who, for the most part, have done a damn good job inheriting this team on a short offseason. We might be able to field a solid playoff team next year as far as I’m concerned (especially if we can have another draft like this past one), but we do have holes that need addressed this offseason before we can start thinking about deeper playoff runs. It’s not as if fan support is waning due to the past few years (at least as far as I know, we’ve sold out every game for some time now) and there’s a young core of guys upon which we can build.
Give it time, let the coaches grab more personnel for their schemes, let everyone get settled in (especially Locker and Munch). This is not a “WIN NOW” team, this is a team that needs a little more time to grow and solidify. Patience, bros.
The people who are saying our coaching staff sucks are saying so because it is the truth.
The only coaches that are doing their job are Gray and Ragone, and Munchak is meh. The rest of them have done a terrible job of getting our team ready to play on Sundays. We’ve had one impressive win all season, and now four terrible losses. Am I supposed to be okay with the fact the we are the fifth team in NFL history to lose to a team that is 0-13?
"I can name 31 other starting running backs that would have made that play" 104.5 the zone
You're right, the coaches all suck.
They really didn’t get the team ready to play those 7 times we won (which is 3 more times than a lot of people expected).
I didn’t realize they sucked before, but now that you’ve informed me of how “meh” Munchak is, it’s all very clear.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Dec 20, 2011 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
Yep your sarcasm is awesome.
It’s not like we are the laughing stock of the NFL right now or anything. It’s not like if we won on Sunday we would be the 6th seed right now. I guess we didn’t just lose to one of the worst teams to ever set foot on an NFL field. Yea the MCM love for our coaches is baffling to me.
"I can name 31 other starting running backs that would have made that play" 104.5 the zone
It's not some blind love.
I realize they made mistakes. I hated the gameplan as much as the next guy. But one bad loss does not mean the entire coaching staff sucks. You can’t determine their worth on one game.
Were they the best coaching staff in the world after the Baltimore win, the Carolina blowout, etc? No, probably not. Do they absolutely blow now after 1 bad loss? No, not any more than they were the best in the world just a few weeks ago.
You have to look at the entire body of work, and the entire (still small) body of work has surpassed my expectations for this season. Going into the season, most people thought we were a team that would finish in the bottom quarter of the league. Tell me that CJ would regress to one of the worst backs in the league, and I might predict we would be looking at the number 1 overall pick. But here we sit, upset because we just missed out on our best shot at the playoffs. And we’ll still probably finish at .500.
On the whole, that’s a hell of a job of coaching, from the outside.
Now, you can sit there and call a coach “meh” and talk about how they haven’t prepared the team to play all year all you want, but that’s just you running your mouth. You’re not backing that up with anything substantial. The only real way to measure the success of a coaching staff is on wins and losses, and this one has already won more games than anyone expected them to, and they have a shot at winning 2 more.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Dec 20, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
Really?
Not to say I totally disagree with you, but there is nothing to back up what I’m saying? hmmmm how bout our epic fail at O line with two hall of fame coaches? How bout the epic fail of our running game? Epic fail by our coaches. How bout the lack of in game adjustments that has lost us the Jags, Cincy, Falcons, Indy, Saints games that were all games we should have won. We should at least be at 9-5 right now, and yet we are 7-7 and just lost to one of the worst teams in football history. I guess this is all false seeing as i’m just running my mouth.
"I can name 31 other starting running backs that would have made that play" 104.5 the zone
That's my boy!
Yeah man I agree (obviously). Should have seen the game day thread…could have used your support on that day with the post I made lol. It’s still good you stayed away from that thread though.
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Maybe Munchak wants Jake Locker to debut with Kenny Britt...
then we’ll all freak out because of how badass the team suddenly becomes.
For the Jake of argument ...
by BythePowerofMunchak! on Dec 19, 2011 5:02 PM CST reply actions
OH NO'Z!!!!!1 WE ARE STICKING WITH THE PLAN WE SET IN MOTION AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SEASON!!!!!1
LETTING OUR ROOKIE QB SIT AND LEARN BEHIND AN EXPERIENCED VET?!!!!!? WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT?!!!!!!1
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by StPrattrick on Dec 19, 2011 5:11 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Oh no! We could have been in the driver's seat for the playoffs except for some amazingly stubborn sticking to that plan!
Sorry that i would have liked the team to make the playoffs, and all that.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Attempting to set ourselves up for not having to Wild Card our way into the playoffs every year >>>>>>>>> Wild Carding ourselves into the playoffs every year.
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by StPrattrick on Dec 19, 2011 5:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Right, because playing Locker against the Colts would have totally screwed up our future.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
This MeMe? When did I ever say it was going to screw up his future?
You need to write new material.
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by StPrattrick on Dec 19, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
his - our*
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So why would making the wild card this year prevent us from doing well in subsequent years then?
Or are you another of these pathetic “tank for the draft pick” people?
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
Just want to point out. It's only assumption we would've even won that game with Jake playing.
The Force is with you, young SkyLocker, but you are not a Jedi... yet!
Right, seeing how he hasn't been able to magically save us from any game yet.
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He hasn't been able to magically save us cause he comes in down 14 because of Hasselbecks failures.
The one game he didn’t come in terribly down in was the Saints, who are a much better team than us.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 5:32 PM CST up reply actions
because of Hasselbecks failures.
And who got us to within playoff reach?
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by StPrattrick on Dec 19, 2011 5:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Please Take Your Hate Goggles Off
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by StPrattrick on Dec 19, 2011 5:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Its not about hate for me!
It’s about winning.
by toysandprojects on Dec 19, 2011 6:19 PM CST up reply actions
Who's won more games this season?
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Jake Locker almost won three games.
Almost winning counts, right?
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:31 PM CST up reply actions
He gets a really shinny gold star for trying
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So who's won more shiny gold stars this season?
The answer: Jake Locker
Start him!
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
Shiny Gold Stars = PLAYOFFS!!!!111<<<<
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Are you cats really acting like Locker wouldn't have given us a better shot to win at this point with Hass being injured?
"I can name 31 other starting running backs that would have made that play" 104.5 the zone
Nah, just don't care
I’d see no problem in Hasselbeck finishing his run the last 2 games, and starting the Locker era next year, after a full offseason and completely new team.
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Hasselbeck for the first 5 games, CJ for Tampa and Buffalo.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure Hasselbeck got the TD vs Tampa when it was needed most.
Had a lousy day overall, but got it done when absolutely needed. I’m excited about Locker, but can we say he’s done the same? In fact, we could say the opposite.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
CJ fumbled twice in that game as well
///BUT-ITS-NOT-HIS-FAULT!!!!11
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CJ carried us against Tampa and Buffalo.
One TD at the end of the Tampa game doesn’t erase 190 yards out of CJ.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
Thank God our 50 zillion dollar star-RB showed up against 2 of the worst run defenses in the league.
Since we ask so much of him and all.
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Didn't say anything about CJ.
Hasselbeck had a bad day, but got it done when absolutely needed. I’ll take winning ugly like that just fine, and someone who can have a bad day but bounce back when needed most.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
Im saying Hasselbeck is not the reason we've won any games past the first half of the season.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
So we've had to ask the rest of the team to step up?
that’s crazy talk.
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Not even sure what you are arguing here.
Do you think Hasselbeck has played well lately?
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not saying he has or hasn't
but I believe in the plan that the coaches have set in motion. Period.
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When CJ decides to run = CJ Win
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So you're going to chalk it up to Hasselbeck that the defense gave up an 80-yard TD yesterday to Donald Fucking Brown?
At the WORST possible time?
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
Might as well.
I heard Hasselbeck started the bubonic plague as well and was buddies with Hitler.
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And sucked vs. the run in general.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
Like we have for the last 3 seasons...
but that can’t be the reason we lose! Hasselbeck should be stopping the run!!!
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Let's also blame Hasselbeck for not having what was supposed to be our star RB coming back en fuego with a new contract.
And a budding star WR go down early after that connection looked like dynamite. In fact, it looked like Britt was the only WR Hass really trusted deep and that he was willing to just chuck it up regardless and trust Britt.
I don’t doubt that with his improv abilities Locker may relatively be able to look “better” than Hasselbeck…but let’s not discount what Hasselbeck did all season for one terrible game.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
No, but im going to chalk the 14 point deficit we had midway through the 4th to him.
He led our offense to 6 points against the Colts in 3.5 quarters. Pathetic.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
The whole team was pathetic
again, take your hate goggles off and see the bigger problem
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The offense starts with the QB.
And we had a shell of a man that could only throw for <4 yards the entire damn game. Hard to have any fire when you know the QB can’t even physically throw the ball to you.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
The offense starts with the QB.
with that being said, then Hasselbeck won in Tampa and Buffalo as well.
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He wasn't the reason we won. I don't see how you can argue that when we got 350 yards from CJ on the ground in those games.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 6:18 PM CST up reply actions
He threw the game winning TD pass.
We’ve been over this.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 6:20 PM CST up reply actions
Just because his play happened at the end of the game doesn't mean it dwarfs all others.
That whole first 3.5 quarters kind of factored in, did it not?
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 6:21 PM CST up reply actions
You wanted the main reason we won.
He won the game with his pass.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 6:22 PM CST up reply actions
I guess only the last play of any game matters, then.
190 yards rushing did nothing to beat Tampa Bay. 5 turnovers did nothing to beat Tampa Bay. It was all Hasselbeck.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 6:24 PM CST up reply actions
No see you're putting words in my mouth.
CJ deciding he’d like to show up that game was great. Certainly contributed to the victory. But if we want to know who won that game, its Hasselbeck.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
What if Hasselbeck's TD had come earlier and CJ ran it in late?
Would that change your opinion that greatly?
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 6:28 PM CST up reply actions
Yes.
You take away Hass’ TD, we don’t win the game, plain and simple. If CJ had polished off a nice 30 yarder for the game winner, then I wouldn’t attribute that to Hass.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
Take away a CJ TD, and we don't win the game, plain and simple.
Take away Hass’s awful pick 6, and we don’t need that game winning drive, plain and simple.
Its like the last play is the only one that matters to you.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
Take away all the points and it'd be an overtime tie.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
No.
You asked who won the game. The quarterback who threw the game winning strike won the game. Other things aided the win, contributed to the win, etc. But he won the game.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 6:35 PM CST up reply actions
Alright, then i say Damian Williams won the game.
He caught the game winning pass that won the game.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
Bahahahahahaha
pathetic
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He managed to get open and catch a ball that hit him in the hands.
I’d say the throw is more important, but clearly Hasselbeck is the devil.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 6:38 PM CST up reply actions
Clearly hes God to you.
He is the only thing that has ever mattered in us winning a game this season.
I just don’t care to discount the entire rest of the game.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
Clearly hes God to you.
WTF?!
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Yeah.
Clearly.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
Yet you discount the entire rest of the season.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
Except i haven't.
Hasselbeck was the clear MVP of the first half of the season. He has been awful the second half.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
He is not the only one being awful in the second half.
And he is not the sole reason he’s been awful.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
Because that is how the NFL works?
in season halfsies?
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I think it falls in a range.
Yesterday was bad. So the second half I’d put him somewhere between bad-average.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
Yesterday was a team effort dumpster fire
Period. It could not have ended so epically bad unless the entire team had a hand in it
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Actually, yes it does, because we won.
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What did you just say?
The offense starts with the QB.
so when CJ decides to show up, Hass doesn’t win those games as well?
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Bonzo loves him some double standards
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
Whatever helps his "argument"!
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And here comes the troll brigade!
Everybody watch out, we got internet badasses over here!
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
You know it!
/flexes e-muscles
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:34 PM CST up reply actions
You are dodging your own argument
and throwing in the troll MeMe to take the attention off yourself for failing. BOOOOOOOORING
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Its not a meme, its what you do.
BOOOORING to me too, but you insist on doing it.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 6:35 PM CST up reply actions
You've created your own MeMe
you are trolling your own troll calls.
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Alright champ, whatever helps you sleep at night.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 6:38 PM CST up reply actions
I'd sleep better at night if I didn't have to listen to your intertube-rage
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You always think im raging too.
Again, whatever makes you feel more super awesome, kid.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
Did you really just call somebody a kid?
That’s pretty uncreative, n00b.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
About as creative as the rage comments, i'd say.
Why bother to be creative with you two?
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
Touche then, good sir.
Touche.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
I don't give a shit what you are doing.
Bring a valid argument and admit when you are wrong, then maybe you wouldn’t get the regulators of MCM coming down on you all the time.
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by StPrattrick on Dec 19, 2011 6:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, you are a regulator now?
Badass. Really. I bow to you.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
Whoa, Deja vu.
It feels like you said that before.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
Badass. Really. I bow to you.
we got internet badasses over here!
wait a second…
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I think he traded in his 'troll-accuse' deck for a 'e-ganster accuse' deck!
smh.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
Bonzo is such a victim.
Help him, o ye faithful MCM’ers!
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:48 PM CST up reply actions
Benedryl normally helps me out with that.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
TROLL!
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:38 PM CST up reply actions
I'll get the popcorn.
2012: The year we clip the Hawk.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 6:36 PM CST up reply actions
Picture this:
Pratt stocking up on internet-agitating pictures
Me stocking up on stupid sarcastic comments
Bonzo stocking up on butthurt
LET THE E-WAR COMMENCE
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
I've already started
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by StPrattrick on Dec 19, 2011 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe George can be our next coach?
Then, he’ll do everything opposite to what he thinks should be done.
Rusty Smith, 2012 starter.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
//swoooonin'
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Oh hey Bonz, I made this just for you
Since you’ve used so many, you must be running out:
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:36 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Except i'm not even arguing with you.
All you are here to do is be some internet badass.
And speaking of apparent ‘memes’, why don’t you get a new one other than butthurt?
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 6:38 PM CST up reply actions
We're waiting on you
to toss out your deck of troll cards.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
You're trolling a troll, but we are trolls...?
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It's counter-trolling.
Like counter-terrorism, only the internet version.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
hahahahahaha
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Hasselbecks play is not what fueled our offense that game.
Infact, he scored as many points for TB as he did for us! GRAND!
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
Yet, he was the reason we won.
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By 'he scored as many points for TB as he did for us'
You mean “He threw a pick-six and then made up for it with a game-winning touchdown”, then yes. I agree.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:34 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not disagreeing that he had a bad game yesterday, he did.
But to chalk up the entire team’s failure to him is not fair to the rest of the team. They all royally sucked, Hasselbeck wasn’t going to make them contain the run (which is all the defense needed to do to win that one) or CJ to return to his suckitude against one of the worst defenses in the league.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
QB is the most important position on the offense, and we didn't have one playing yesterday.
There is an effect on your defense when your offense can’t stay on the field.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
Do you really think we deserve playing in the playoffs this year after yesterdays mess?
Honestly?
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I think we don't lose that game if Hasselbeck doesn't make our offense into the Jags.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
What you think... really doesn't mean shit.
just sayin’
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Because we are still NOT a playoff team
no matter who you want to place the blame on
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Here is where I kinda agree with Bonzos.
Whether we’re a playoff caliber team or not, or even deserve to be in them, you never know what can spark once your in. Even one and done you have slim bragging rights considering we were a supposed 3-4 win team this year.
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Disagree, I am tired of always squeaking into the playoffs
if we have a plan in motion to be great for years to come, I would rather stick to that then inch into the playoffs time after time.
And as you said above, Locker could have very well lost that game too
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Oh, I agree. I'm not arguing that. I'm fine with sticking to the plan.
I was just saying in a long way, I still want to see them in the playoffs whether we deserve to be in them. Lol
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I think we all want to be in the playoffs.
I truly believe Reinfeldt and Munchak believe this is that path that is going to put us in playoff contention from 2012-2020.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 6:03 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly, missing the playoff by a game in a rebuilding year <<<<< potential playoff contention for the next decade
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And to be honest...
I think people are forgetting we’d actually have to go out there still win the games. I feel like this is a lot of Locker=wins, but unless he can tell Griffin not to take a crappy angle against Brown, or to give more of an effort to get past Dan F-ing Orlovsky, we still may be 7-7.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 6:08 PM CST up reply actions
Right, I think people are forgetting that the rest of the team generally sucks right now
plus we’d be asking for the epic fails of a few other teams as well so by the grace of the football Gods we’d inch into the playoffs… so there was a chance it was never going to be possible in the first place. It’s not like if we beat the Colts = Playoffs.
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Yep, I know.
But it’s been stated several times today they don’t deserve to be in after yesterday’s game, and while I tend to agree with that, I always want to see them in.
Personally, I think Munch already knows that next year will be Locker’s, so he’s staying with the man he recruited, who got us this far and let him finish his season hopefully on a high note. But that’s just my feeling.
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We brought Hass in for a reason
like someone said before, if Locker comes in, that’s it, there is no going back. Locker makes or breaks Thor’s career and he is going to fight like hell to keep it
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I know its disappointing and in NFL terms if you are not making the playoffs your season is deemed a failure
but comparing where we were last year at this time to us now… I see a bright future ahead of us, but its going to take time and sticking to a plan.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 6:05 PM CST up reply actions
/i'manerd
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 6:07 PM CST up reply actions
You see, madness, as you know, is like gravity. All it takes is a little push!
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Lots of madness around here today.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
Neither does what you think, buddy.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
Thor seems to agree with me.
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You must think Hasselbeck isn't hurt too.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
I know he's a damn tough competitor and he will play himself into a wheel-chair and/or dead
and that’s exactly what I want him teaching to Locker.
#9-style
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I respect him for playing hurt, but #9 still actually found a way to be effective.
So did Nate Washington. Hasselbeck was hurting our team being out there.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
Do you really think he was going to take himself out?
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No, that failure is on Munchak.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 6:19 PM CST up reply actions
and I am not saying Hass is anything like #9, but he is showing his toughness
to a fault of the team… but it’s not like the team was doing him any favors yesterday either.
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I'm not saying that yesterday was anything less than a complete and total failure by everyone employed.
But that includes Hasselbeck.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 6:20 PM CST up reply actions
At least we agree on something
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No, we don't deserve the wild card spot
The way I see it; we are a fringe mediocre team that has stumbled it’s way to a possible playoff position. We are way to far off from being anything close to a contender this year or in the future for that matter. We should just be grateful that we are having this conversation about a possible WC birth instead of being bitter because our coach values the long term solution over the short term solution. Now I don’t know about you, but one day I want to look back at these next 12 years and say, “Man am I glad we have one of the best QBs in league history leading our team.”
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by NJD28 on Dec 19, 2011 10:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
WE HAVE TO RAGE AND HAVE QB CONTROVERSY!!!!111
It’s actually what fuels the Titans, kind of like believing in fairies powers Tinker Bell…and Deion Sanders from the commercials.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
WHY???
Hass himself admitted he was limited physically. He can’t throw downfield at all, can’t move or buy time for his wr’s , can’t make plays with his legs if he needs to pick up a first down, and he is a banged up 37 year old QB who was serviceable in the early part of the year. He is not owed the opportunity to try and get this team in the playoffs. Munchak is not trying to lose games but it is apparent to everyone, including Hasselbeck that he is not 100%. Let Locker see what he can do with the first team and in an important game. Don’t wait until there is 7 minutes left and you’re down by 14. If it was obvious to bench Tommie Campbell for his play, put Locker in to give this team a spark. It can’t get any worse than last week….Frustrated
three words.
KENNY. FUCKING. BRITT. anyone who thinks we wouldn’t be in a far better position to take the wildcard with him on the field is a fucking moron. It’s almost like you guys forget he even exists- do you remember how insane he was the first couple of games? if we still had him, we would have at least 1 or 2 more wins. no question. so stop blaming hasselbeck, a veteran who’s proven he’s committed to the team, when in reality Chris Johnson has decided to suck and we’re missing arguably our best weapon. He should start because he’s the STARTER, and skylocker is the BACKUP (remember the original plan? yeah, lets stick to that). this is a crippled offense that will be fine next year with some good moves in FA and the draft
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by Aditya T (smashville) on Dec 19, 2011 5:31 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Exactly. A coach sticking to his plan/word in the beginning of the season, who would have thought?
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Atleast Donnie Nickey is no longer here
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We can all take solace in that.
No Donnie, no Young, no Aman…oh wait…damn.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
"...if he is healthy enough to play"
Munch said this last week too, and started Hass despite the fact he was clearly not healthy enough to play.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:09 PM CST reply actions
Still above ground = Healthy enough
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I'll reserve judgment until I see some practice reports this week
I was hoping Jake would get the nod, but we need to step back for a second and realize that we aren’t NFL coaches…. We’re just people on the Internet who are still (and rightly so) pissed over a shitty loss to a bad team. This will pass. We’ll beat the kitties. Chill
Holding a snocone sign...
Munch knows if he starts locker he has to stick with him.
The coaches like what they have seen from locker, just like us. But they wanna make completely sure he is going to be in position to succeed. Give us another draft like this one, and a move or two in free agency. Then insert locker.
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Truth
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Can't believe all this Munch hating.
The man inherited a dumpster fire, but he still has a playoff shot if he can get some effective QB play. Still, he must certainly realize that this team is no threat to win an AFC championship, so he has to think about next year, too.
So what must he do? He must put the best team he can on the field for now, and worry about next year when the Titans are done.in this one. Apparently, he thinks Hassleback is his best option today. He has to take that option, even if it has a limp. In the background, he has to make his plans to develop Locker next year.
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Exactly
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I wish I could infinite rec this
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^This.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:46 PM CST up reply actions
I'm going to move this down here, and get some stats in this argument.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 6:44 PM CST reply actions
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:47 PM CST up reply actions
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQKSY_tOoEKzRLb9HMmOcX8ZqXk1R5zwAbN_-ClyZGSsMOsKKH9N-SRWtdQ
Man, it’s been so long since I’ve had to use this…
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:49 PM CST up reply actions
Shit
thank you
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There is really no fighting involved.
Just wanting to show that my opinion is valid here. And not raging by any means.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
Did you really just seriously say that?
Are you magically pretending the part where we joked with you and you went into “I’m a victim of you internet aggressors” mode never happened?
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
I think you guys are quick to read any text from me as raging.
But i could just be joking with you about the troll thing, as i didn’t just up and leave or anything. Did that occur to you at all?
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 6:56 PM CST up reply actions
I haven't perceived a single post of yours as raging, just being... whiny, tbh.
And no, Bonzo, it didn’t occur to me that you could have been joking, because you have seriously accused me and Pratt of trolling you when we’re trying to have a debate with you in the past… repeatedly, at that.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
And yes, the concept of me or Pratt actually seriously trying to have a debate about the Titans
may be foreign to you but it’s not untrue.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:59 PM CST up reply actions
I am honestly trying to get better at it, because I'd prefer to not be known as whatever you and Pratt's latest nickname for me is.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 7:04 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, and I honestly do respect you, Bonz.
But the amount of misunderstandings that happen is ridiculous, and it’s not even anybody’s fault for them. Shit just gets lost in translation.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
I don't have a nickname for you... I only have nicknames for people I like
Even DramaticHal has one, but you have admitted your faults
so… I will mediate on this.
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See that was unneccessary.
I don’t particularly dislike anyone on here, it is just the internet after all.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 7:16 PM CST up reply actions
I don't believe that was a serious comment by Pratt, Bonzo.
Which is where, again, I blame the internet for voiding sarcasm.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
It was a joke.
we can still make those right?
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We all know I really don't like DramaticHal, I mean come on. He works for BR...
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Mine was a joke too, sorry.
Maybe i need a special joke font.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
Sarcasm font, guys.
Use it.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Dec 19, 2011 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
You stole my comment!
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
I guess we can use 'sarcasm font' for humor in this case.
Put @ symbols at the start and end of what you say if you’re joking. That should help.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
..
Unless of course, that would make you butthurt somehow.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 7:21 PM CST up reply actions
Well
I think that symbol would actually make quite a nice chair
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 7:21 PM CST up reply actions
Ack! Make quite a nice chair.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
I will do nothing of the sort
You can sensor me FOTUD!
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 7:54 PM CST up reply actions
Well in any case, i think I managed to call you a troll and have legitimate discussion at the same time.
And admittedly, It doesn’t ever seem like you two try to have serious debate with me for very long.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 7:01 PM CST up reply actions
Ha, I've got to agree with you on that.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
Well, the reason I personally don't continue trying to have a serious debate with you...
It’s because you play semantics in a way that measures up to a politician’s level. You put words in people’s mouths, you pull strawman arguments, and you call people’s characters into question.
The last time we had an issue, I called you out on your semantics during an actual legitimate discussion about Hasselbeck, and you called me a troll for calling you out on it.
To be honest, after you called me a troll, I sat there for a moment in disbelief at you being serious over it.
I don’t get how somebody can come across so butthurt and come across as taking things so personally, and then actually NOT be taking it that way. But somehow, that’s what keeps happening here.
I blame the internet.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 7:07 PM CST up reply actions
I'm going to just let this stay here, because I don't particularly want to argue over it again.
But it was more than saying “You are arguing semantics” or something to that effect.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 7:10 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, I was also coming off as hostile in that argument
and I later admitted and will admit now I was being overly aggressive with you in that discussion.
I acknowledge there was more at play in that one.
But yeah.. Let sleeping dogs lie. We already called that debate dead.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
I'm of the opinion now where, with just 2 games left in the season, that it just doesn't matter who plays QB.
You could point to any particular loss we’ve had and call it the one that screwed us over in terms of the playoffs. I personally can’t see us making the playoffs right now. What are these 2 insignificant games going to matter in Locker’s development? If the coaches want to roll with Hasselbeck, it’s their decision. Many of us would like to see Locker, sure, but in the end, is it REALLY going to be the difference that would or would not have sent us to the playoffs? Maybe so. No one can say for sure.
Munchak’s made some questionable decisions this year, he’s a rookie head coach. Here’s to hoping next year, he’s on his game, Hasselbeck or Locker is on their game, Britt’s healthy, the o-line doesn’t blow, and CJ revives his 09 form from the dead.
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by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Dec 19, 2011 6:45 PM CST reply actions
Another positive was that
The game was so boring that I was numb to it all. Pain is better when you’re almost comatose.
In other news. I heard Sam Hurd is available.
Hasselbeck since week 10 (Carolina, game 9 of our season)
910 YDS, 95 for 158, 60% comp. 5.75 YPA, 2 TD, 6 INT. Highest QB rating (excluding NO because he played so little) is 79.1.
I don’t think I am wrong in saying he was been playing very poorly.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 6:49 PM CST reply actions
His completion %, while good, is inflated by the short passes he seems to be limited to throwing, as evidenced by the YPA.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
It should be noted that Hass still has 9% better accuracy over Locker.
And if they’re dead set on running this compacted, timing offense, that favours Hass.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
TD >> completion %
/just-sayin
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I disagree.
The TD-INT ratio is concerning, absolutely. But you need consistent accuracy to win in this league.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
What TD:INT ratio??
Locker doesn’t have one. Try and find it and the universe will implode
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
In the Saints game they showed that they aren't dead set on running a dink and dunk offense with Locker in.
Whether or not the offense they run with Hasselbeck is a coaching decision based on his ability or his limitations is not something i know. But i doubt they run the same offense with Locker in.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
I would expect the offense to change dramatically when Locker goes in too.
We should see a more wide open offense. Its important to note that while the offense was more aggressive in Locker’s playing time, most of the games the offense was in prevent. And he’s explicitly said that.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 6:56 PM CST up reply actions
I keep pointing you to the Saints game as an example.
That was the only non prevent time he saw, and also probably the best defense he has played against, and he fared very well.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree.
He played well. Still, small sample size on that don’t you think? We’re basing our view of Locker off garbage time + Saints game.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 6:59 PM CST up reply actions
^This.
The coaching staff knows more about Locker than we do, and they’re trying to keep him off the field on gameday.
As fans, we love to think we know more than the coaches do.. but in reality, we can only speculate since we’re not there.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
I think the if there is any team I'd want to base a judgement on, it'd be the Saints.
Out of the ones we have played. The offense seems to me as if they play with more energy regardless, though.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
Switching QBs is usually a shot in the arm.
Let me put it this way. The careers of Mike Reinfeldt, Mike Munchak and this whole coaching staff rest on Jake Locker. Mess up, and its game over for all of them. If I were Mike Munchak, I’d be spending every waking minute deciding what to do with him, when to play him, etc. Many here have voiced that they feel he’s unqualified to make that decision, and you have some grounds for that. I certainly was vocal when they hired him. He was underqualified compared to other candidates. But now that they’ve hired him, he deserves the right to fail/succeed by his own terms, don’t you think?
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
Of course he deserves the right to fail/succeed by his own terms.
Or atleast the owner’s terms. But i can certainly disagree with his terms. I don’t want him fired or anything, but I find a hard time finding how he can say Hasselbeck is going to give us a better shot.
Also, while it is usually a shot in the arm to switch QBs, i don’t think thats the only thing at play here.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
This reminds me of the Kerry-Vince debates,
though obviously Hass and Locker are not comparable to either. The point I’m trying to get at is, just like when everybody was pissed off that Fisher went with Kerry over Vince in some games, there were some other things at play that we didn’t know of.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 7:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's very Kerry-Vunce-esc... maybe that is why I am so tired of it.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
Well, i like to think that they went with Kerry because they knew he wasn't a total headcase.
But i admit there could be some behind the scenes reason they can’t make the change. I just have a hard time finding one that is reasonable to me.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
Kerry because they knew he wasn’t a total headcase.
uhhhhh… do you know who Kerry Collins is?
Dropping the N*bomb on one of his own linemen…
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Kerry wasn't a headcase here, though.
Just a poor quarterback.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 7:21 PM CST up reply actions
He probably still was, just so overshadowed by Vunce...
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Well, he was writing country songs.
Those people do seem a little crazy to me.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
At this point K is better the Hass
And i dont care what you think! I’m pissed off we could have been in the post season.
by toysandprojects on Dec 21, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
I agree, it seems as if we are running 2 completely different offenses per QB
which is how it should be.
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Also important to note that he was only sacked 4 times since week 10.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
Sounds like you're trying to defend him while not defending him at the same time
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by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Dec 19, 2011 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No, you're not.
Just the argument you’re trying to make with Hasselbeck’s poor stats. That’s what, in my opinion at least, you’re wrong with.
You have to look beyond the numbers and see the reality of the situation:
1. He’s been injured since this streak of poor play started
2. Our wide receiving core is poor.
3. Our pass blocking has allowed a ton of pressure to get to him, and it’s well-known that Hass plays poorly with bad pass pro.
4. Our offense is out of sync all the time.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
If he has been so injured as to make him play this poorly, than he shouldn't have been playing.
In the thick of the playoff hunt you cannot have a liability at the QB position, which is what he has been playing like.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with that, but I trust there is a good reason we haven't already handed the reigns to Locker.
Besides, the plan has been to keep Hass in there so that Locker doesn’t have to start in his rookie year, and can instead learn so that his future is even brighter.
Locker’s future development is more important than the present, imo.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
It comes down again to the argument over whether or not him starting is hugely detrimental.
Which isn’t really something anybody is going to waver on. I firmly believe based on the (admittedly limited) things I have seen out of Locker that starting him against teams like Atlanta, TB, Buffalo, and the Colts would not have hindered his development. But that is just my opinion, and clearly the coaches don’t share that.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 6:59 PM CST up reply actions
I don't believe it's hugely detrimental, no.
But there is still a risk it could be detrimental to throw him in a garbage offense like ours against an underrated Jags D and the Texans defense.
What’s the point in risking it? To make the playoffs when we clearly aren’t playoff team material this year?
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
Before the Colts game I would have said making the playoffs, and possibly winning a playoff game.
Because if we had won out we would have likely faced Houston again, and if we beat them once it would have been possible to beat them again.
Now, I would say the purpose of it is game experience. It’s no secret i believe that sitting is all fine and dandy, but you need some real game experience to begin to truly grow. The game experience for Locker in these last 2 games could allow him to hit the ground running next year with a healthy and hopefully better offense, in my opinion.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
I agree somewhat with your assessment.
I believe we should allow Locker to play the Jaguars as a starter, and then put Hasselbeck back in against the brutal Texans defense after having a week to heal up.
That gives us a proper sample of Locker vs. an underrated Jags defense w/ starters’ time, and healthy Hass vs. a tough Texans defense w/ starters’ time.
Though, there has to be a reason the coaching staff is still with Hass for both games, and I believe it has to do with an unrevealed flaw in Locker that they’re trying to get hammered out before giving him a game as a starter.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 7:12 PM CST up reply actions
All we can do is speculate, though.
Only the coaches know that sort of stuff.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
That'd be a plan i could get on board with, unless we were somehow in playoff contention at Houston.
I still see value in making the playoffs, regardless of how much we deserve it. I’m not sure about an unrevealed flaw, just based on how he has been playing.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
I’m not sure about an unrevealed flaw, just based on how he has been playing.
We haven’t seen him play a full 60 minutes though. That makes me believe it may be stamina related somehow.
In post-lockout play, that isn’t a far-fetched conclusion.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 7:16 PM CST up reply actions
In his extended actiopn vs the Saints, he seemed to pick up later on if anything.
But then again it is hard to judge a QB’s stamina. All those things about McNabb being out of shape wasn’t something i really saw on the field that much.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think its conditioning, he seems like he'd work extremely hard at that.
My guess is they just don’t feel like he’s ready yet. They want to put him in when he’s got all the fundamentals down pat. Just my guess.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 7:21 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I think that's what it is.
For as great as he’s played, he’ll still occasionally air mail the ball or show bad mechanics.
I think it makes perfect sense to iron that out for an offseason before turning over the offense to him.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Dec 19, 2011 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
I suppose. Other than accuracy (which is probably easier to get a feel on in game action)
I don’t know what fundamentals are that far off.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
I believe that is the point of all this
they see Locker as an unfinished project, but they are close. They just want to stick to the plan, ride this season out and hand the reigns over to him next year, like it was ment to be.
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Footwork and timing I think are too things he needs to work on.
We’ve seen him still struggle on the short stuff. Those things need to be worked on. Plus fixing those will help the accuracy, which we all agree he needs to work on. And I’m certainly just watching that with an untrained eye. I’m sure Palmer’s got some things for him to work on.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
*two
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
But doesn't real game experience count for anything in terms of practicing those?
I just don’t see why they couldn’t have started him against 2 poor teams in the Colts and Jags, to give him some actual game time. Especially when he already held his own against the Saints.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
Yes. There will come a time when I say "He can't learn anything else by sitting."
But that’s not today. I want his footwork to be absolutely perfect before putting him in. Otherwise, the work is all for naught. As soon as he gets pressured frequently (and with our line there’s a good chance that happens early), its just natural to resort back to what worked before, and what you’re most comfortable with.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
It seems like a stretch to me.
It didn’t seem like he immediately reverted to the player he was at UW when he was in.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 7:35 PM CST up reply actions
I think he's made strides in that department for sure.
And believe me, I will side with you on this debate in two weeks. But there are times when you still see him do things that make you think he’s still a little unpolished. I’ve got the Saints game on the DVR. There are few overthrows he should have made. There is also a three step drop, out route he throws into the dirt. Stuff like that.
Now, in a disclaimer, the pass in the dirt I’m thinking of, he may have said that he did that on purpose because he was worried about the play or something of that sort, but when I heard that I wasn’t completely sure which play he was talking about.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
Even starting QBs can do things like that from time to time.
A few overthrows here or there is pretty normal stuff for a rookie to do. Certainly not something i think should keep him from playing.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 8:03 PM CST up reply actions
I think they are indicators of where he is right now.
Good, but just not quite “there” yet.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
I think game time experience is important.
And there’s a balance to be struck, there.
But I think if your mechanics are firm habits, when the pressure is one, QBs will tend to revert back to their old bad habits.
I think it makes sense to get Locker’s mechanics as good as we can before we put him in pressure cooker situations.
All that said, I’ve been very impressed with Locker’s cool demeanor under pressure so far. He’s got the kind of moxy that’s going to make him really good when he does actually get to start.
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by TennesseeTyrants on Dec 19, 2011 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
So many typos.
if your mechanics aren’t firm habits.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
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It sounds so much better then the prologue IMO
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 7:55 PM CST up reply actions
Possible Munch reasoning on why he won't start Locker...
Because Locker did not win the last 2 games. Simple as that. Yes I know, Locker is probably the best option to win right now if he was to start a full game but because Locker wasn’t able to pull a Montana/Elway/ or whoever, insert your favorite 4th qtr. comeback QB in the blank _________ the last 2 weeks, Munch still has the option to start Hass because of that reason and get away with it.
Now, if Locker had of pulled off those last 2 games and gave us the victory, Munch would almost have no choice but to put Locker in for good and let him do his thing. But since that didn’t happen, he probably feels he can still use the ‘veteran starts before rookie’ excuse as long as Hass can still walk onto the field. I know it sucks, but that’s the way they do shit in the NFL most of the time.
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by SiriusTitansFan on Dec 19, 2011 7:57 PM CST reply actions
I'm going to laugh my ass off when Locker starts Saturday
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Nah, you won't be laughing.
Because you know if Munch started Hass last week and Hass has another week to heal, Munch is damn sure gonna start him this week. Only reason he wouldn’t start Hass is to try and fool the Jags, but I doubt he will do that.
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by SiriusTitansFan on Dec 20, 2011 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
I'm going to laugh my ass off all the way to a fantasy football championship
Since I’ll be starting him in my 2nd QB spot.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Dec 19, 2011 9:26 PM CST up reply actions
It's Jefferson Tardship up in this piece!
I’m all for a coach staying the course, sticking with his plan…but when the plan is obviously not working, you make adjustments. I like Munch and I like Hasselbeck, but now is the time to go with Locker. Hasselbeck played well early in the season, and he’s been the best leader we’ve had in years, so it’s a tough decision to make. Munch needs to step up and make the tough decision, though…start Locker!
While it is a team game, the QB is key.
A crushing defense or an amazing running back can hide poor QB play. Right now, the Titans have neither. Hass has done better than expected, but production has dropped. While I understand that the coaches have inside information, they are also held back by tradition and philosophy. I believe that the Steelers fell to the same hubris when they let Ben play last night.
The quotes sounded like Fisher/Munch speak – “He was deemed healthy enough to play, we always like what Ben provides us, not only from his quality of play but his leadership. This guy is a tremendous competitor. We appreciate his efforts. Obviously, we fell short tonight.”
When your QB is limping after every play, can’t run from a tackle, can’t throw the ball, pull him.
IMO Munchack is Fisher 2.0
Can’t see the forest for the trees.
by BadV6Blazer on Dec 20, 2011 3:05 PM CST via mobile reply actions
If we are gonna start Hass
Again there is NO sense in watching another shitty game on Xmas eve! Why screw up my Xmas? This is total BS. I am a competitive fuck and i want to win.
Another year we should have been in the post season. No we aren’t gonna win it all but would of been fun to have hope. Merry Christmas.
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