Taking a Step Back From the Titans Loss to the Colts
Yesterday was a day filled with anger. There is absolutely no reason for a team that is fighting for the playoffs to come out and look like the team that didn't have anything to play for against an 0-13 team. Everyone has been asking who to blame for that. Is Mike Munchak the one to blame? Is Chris Palmer the one to blame? Are the players who should be blamed? Of course the answer is yes. That loss goes on everyone who gets a paycheck from Bud Adams.
We need to take a step back though and realize what this team actually is. We have gotten all caught up in the chase for the playoffs and forgotten that this team is just a mediocre team. Does that excuse the fact that on multiple occasions this season they have come out flat like they did yesterday? No, but let's also not act like this is the 1985 Bears that lost to an 0-13 team.
I really hope Mike Reinfeldt is being honest with himself about what this team is. Sure, at the end of the season they are more than likely going to be a team that missed the playoffs by a game or two, but that does not mean they are close to being a legitimate contender. There are still a lot of holes that need to be filled.
There are also a lot of guys that don't need to be here next year. Last week Cortland Finnegan jumped at the opportunity to call this his last year with the Titans. There has been a lot of talk about possibly franchising him if they cannot reach a long-term deal. I say they do neither. Look at guys like Drew Brees and Ray Rice. They are playing in the last year of their respective contracts, and when they get asked about it they say they are just concerned with winning right now and that the contract stuff will take care of itself in the offseason. That is what a leader says.
Finnegan tries to be a leader, but he isn't. A leader leads always, not just when it is easy or when things are going well. It was great that he organized the workouts during the lockout, but that didn't mean a hill of beans when he jumped ship during camp or is complaining about his contract during a playoff run.
I am being too hard on Finnegan here, I realize that, but it is time to get guys in here that care more about the good of the team than their contracts. The same things could be said for Chris Johnson.
Frank Wycheck said on the radio this morning that Eddie George or Steve McNair would have jumped all over a guy for saying what Finnegan said last week. Where are those guys on the Titans now? I do think that Colin McCarthy will develop into that guy, but right now there is absolutely no one the defensive side of the ball that will stand up and be leader. The Titans need to make sure they identify a veteran player at safety or on the defensive line that can come in and do it.
Yes, Mike, that means you have to sign a free agent. I agree that building through the draft is the best way to build a team that is competitive for the long term, but the teams that are good at that also add a key free agent when they have a need. The Titans cannot be afraid to do that.
Obviously there will be plenty of time in the coming weeks and months to talk about an offseason plan, but the point of this rambling post is that this team still has a long way to go before being a legitimate contender. That loss yesterday should serve as an embarrassing reminder of that.
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I'm still pissed
And I am pissed at my favorite team. I have never been angry at the entire team before, but that performance yesterday was ridiculous.
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I really want us to sign a big name this year
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by MikeGriffFan27 on Dec 19, 2011 12:28 PM CST via mobile reply actions
agree completely
Titans sign to many MEH type of free agents that no one else really wants… they try to fill holes on the cheap
Filling holes on the cheap is great when you are just filing holes
But trying to make a starting lineup with the cheap isn’t the greatest approach
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by MikeGriffFan27 on Dec 19, 2011 12:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I disagree.
You always end up overpaying in free agency, and those contracts bite you later on.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
A la Haynesworth
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by MikeGriffFan27 on Dec 19, 2011 12:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yup.
Every year there are tons of big name signings, and NFLN goes all crazy with glee, but the reality is that’s not how you build a consistent winner. Cap management is consistently underrated, in my opinion.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
I just feel like we need to make a move
Our mediocrity is getting old. Will I stop being a fan over this? Hell no. But I really want to see us take that step onto the next level. But I’m preaching to the choir right now
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by MikeGriffFan27 on Dec 19, 2011 12:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The best teams don't do that.
It makes for good headlines, but how many high-end FA additions have you seen teams like the Packers and Patriots make? Not many.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
Packers, Patriots, Steelers, Saints (okay, Brees)...
The great teams in this league build from within.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
QB may be the one exception if you don't have one and there's a good one out there.
But Brees also had that injury history before going to New Orleans so it wasn’t exactly guaranteed at the time that he’d become what he has. I’d love to see the alternate timeline where he ended up in Miami and what would’ve happened to both teams.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
Ochocinco = bust
You’re right in this situation. But look at Randy Moss in his younger years, Ladanian Tomlinson, Darren Sproles, and Santonio Holmes. They were effective
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by MikeGriffFan27 on Dec 19, 2011 12:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
They also didn't give Ochocinco a ridiculous contract.
I don’t think Sproles got a huge one either, and I want to say Holmes was traded from the Redskins to the Jets, could have faulty memory there.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
Traded from Steelers for dirt cheap after some off field thing, DUI or something.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
4th round pick if my memory is still operational.
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by criollo_pcg on Dec 19, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
5th
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by MikeGriffFan27 on Dec 19, 2011 12:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not saying we need a fat contract. Just a better player like Sproles and LT
And yes, Holmes was traded from Pittsburgh.
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by MikeGriffFan27 on Dec 19, 2011 12:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I would also argue those teams situations were entirely different.
Saints were a Super Bowl contender with an already high-octane offense that Sproles just added another dimension to. LT came in as a situational guy for a team that used more than one RB and relied on their defense to win games.
We’re still in a place where we’re rebuilding and getting a young nucleus together.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
Ya, I think the key is to "grow" a team, and once you've reached that state, you can find finishing pieces.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
I under stand your logic and have to agree
But I think we all can agree to go big on the interior line. We can’t get worse than we are now
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by MikeGriffFan27 on Dec 19, 2011 12:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm sure they will address those concerns in the draft,
or maybe with a mid-level free agent signing. They key is finding someone young, with potential, and doesn’t want a whole bank delivered to his house.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, and you can do that through not-huge signings.
3 yrs/$20 million could get a solid upgrade or maybe a Jeff Saturday-type (the more I think about it, I would love to grab him. Good veteran AND kill the Colts’ O-line), then you can either sign another guy or use the draft to fill in the other pieces. I still expect one of Harris/Amano to be back.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
The Titans making a big signing would be like Moss on the Raiders.
Too little solution for too many problems.
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by criollo_pcg on Dec 19, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
I don't see us being mediocre.
I see us as one of the best rebuilding teams out there. I say that seriously. Rebuilding is usually a lot uglier than 7-7. The record may seem mediocre, but its all about the situation.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
Once again I do the same thing almost every Titan fan has done this year
Forget we are rebuilding
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by MikeGriffFan27 on Dec 19, 2011 12:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The problem is we are more than one move away from contention.
I would be all for that big move if I thought it would solve all of our problems.
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by criollo_pcg on Dec 19, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
just look at the "dream team"
tons of big name FA signings….not much to show for it on field (tho they could still sneak in)
by NJ Titans Fan on Dec 19, 2011 8:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
A la Julius Peppers? A la Reggie White? A la Drew Brees? A la Charles Woodson?
A la Kurt Warner? A la Deion Sanders?
I am going to shut up now. I am still angry.
One by one:
Peppers: Ridiculous contract. Outstanding player, but I would not sink that much money into that one player.
White: From what I’ve heard, yes.
Brees: Great signing, no doubt. But there was some injury risk there, lowering the price.
Woodson: Okay
Warner: No. They signed him after he played terrible with the Giants. That wasn’t a “big” signing.
Sanders: I don’t know anything about him, he was before my time.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
And if we're talking about him going to the Redskins, not sure he played outstanding at that point.
And Reggie White…I believe that was in the last years before the salary cap, and in fact I think he was the catalyst for getting free agency going in the form we know it today.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
Because every FA signing is Haynesworth-esque?
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Unfortunately you also have to look at the business side of things.
Would you really want them spending $70 million on a guy? How well have the Eagles FA additions turned out?
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
It was actually pretty brilliant the way the handled all the signing
the FO certainly did everything they could to bring a Super Bowl to the Eagles… but EVERYONE knows you can’t successful build a winning “dream team” like they did over one season.
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by StPrattrick on Dec 19, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
I think there's more at play there.
Specifically, electing to have your O-Line coach become the defensive coordinator.
I was just about to say that.
It doesn’t help that they don’t seem to be utilizing these guys effectively, I read somewhere that Asumaga is more of a man-cover guy who can just shut down the opposing team’s number one, and they’ve been using him in zone and moving him around.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
I was saying that last week...
they have moved Asumaga from zone corner, to safety, to LB. Essentially the same thing Washington did to Haynesworth…
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by StPrattrick on Dec 19, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
Titans are close but do have too many holes
There is just not enough talent on either side of the ball, and it especially up front in the O-line and D-line…those guys are not getting it done…that is where to start….
And doing it through the draft alone will not do it…they need to sign some GOOD free agents….not guys who are mediocre and don’t make an impact a la Shaun Smith or in the best Jovan Haye (huge waste of money and space)
And the coaches are definitely in question and I mean you PALMER!
Do you think Locker could become that leader for us?
Should he be doing these things this early? or do you think he is doing the right thing right now?
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He has to earn some respect with some wins...
But the dude looks like a born leader…I don’t know if he is outspoken enough
He was pretty outspoken in Washington, but not in an extreme way
I just want to see him take over a team like he did there.
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by StPrattrick on Dec 19, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
He's being smart by sitting back and watching
In a few years, he will be that leader that tells people that they need to cut this crap out. Him and McCarthy are our leaders
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by MikeGriffFan27 on Dec 19, 2011 12:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I would love this
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by StPrattrick on Dec 19, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Team captains of future:
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by MikeGriffFan27 on Dec 19, 2011 12:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
#10, #20, #52
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by MikeGriffFan27 on Dec 19, 2011 12:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
In time, yes.
Right now, however, this obviously isn’t his team just yet and he’s only a rookie. I think he’s doing the right thing now by keeping his head down and doing what he needs to do to get himself ready to be a starting QB in the NFL.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
I guess I was asking what would you guys think if he came out telling people "what's up"
would you think he’s being ridiculous, or this is the kind of leader we’ve been waiting for?
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by StPrattrick on Dec 19, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
I would think it's too soon for him to be doing that.
And I think he’d get blasted for it. I want him to be that guy, we desperately need it…but it’s just not his time yet. Ideally you would hope Hasselbeck is doing that sort of stuff right now.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Very true, I think Hass did start doing that.. but he's still an outsider, in a way
and now he is taking the brunt of the problems for the teams performance.
Kinda hard to throw stones in a glass house.
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by StPrattrick on Dec 19, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
The whole thing to consider is that you never know who is being the leader in the locker room.
It’s hard to imagine Locker sitting anyone down behind the scenes as a rookie, but it’s not really hard to imagine Hass pulling someone like Finnegan aside and saying, “Now’s not the time for that.” We fans will never really know what’s going on, in that regard.
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by TennesseeTyrants on Dec 19, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
i agree we let him go.
I think he’s perceived as a little bitch by the league and I don’t want that to be face of defense. Also I wonder if moving derrick morgan to outside linebacker would help him.
by CJ2K shrine on Dec 19, 2011 12:30 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Not fast enough.
Consider, though, that ACL injuries sometimes take more than a year to get back to 100%. I’m reserving final judgement until I know he’s totally healthy.
Would this not lend support to the idea we should be targeting WRs?
Because Britt may well not come back as the player he was at first.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/ten/
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by MikeGriffFan27 on Dec 19, 2011 12:36 PM CST via mobile reply actions
What i hate is that we are mediocre.
Mediocrity is the WORST state to be in. If we suck, i can deal with that, i can watch us rebuild. If were good/great. Nice, i wanna watch us compete. But to play like both, to lose stupid and win great. It’s just horrible. Because we don’t stink enough to get a good draft pick. So were stuck. I fucking hate it.
Lemme See Your HANDS!
We're a mediocre team rebuilding...
So I wouldn’t necessarily rule out that we’re just “mediocre” and not “rebuilding”.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
We are rebuilding.
We sucked enough to get a good draft pick last year, and now that player is going to lead the rebuild.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Leadership has been lacking since last year.
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by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Dec 19, 2011 12:39 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Last year?
Who’d we have last year that was a leader?
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
I think he meant it was a problem last year also.
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by criollo_pcg on Dec 19, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
Yes
I meant it’s been a problem for this and last yearr
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by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Dec 19, 2011 12:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He means including last year.
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by MikeGriffFan27 on Dec 19, 2011 12:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i was listening to Finnegan on his radio show
he was practically begging the Titans to re-sign him. Said he never wants to leave the city of Nashville or the Titans organization. what an asshole
the real problem is we have a GM who apparently has no clue how to handle contract negotiations. even if we don’t end up keeping him, giving our best players the silent treatment serves absolutely no one’s interest. star talents who are also fantastic members of the community and openly express the desire to never leave don’t just fall out of the sky all the time.
for all his drafting skills, Mike could learn a hell of a lot in regards to his people skills. stringing things out with CJ was pointless (as he caved and wrote the big check anyway), and not even talking to Finnegan’s agent is pointless too. pick up the damn phone Mike. negotiate. at least go through the damn motions so the guys thinks you are half way interested in him. maybe it works out, maybe it doesn’t, but what’s wrong with having the discussion?
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When the season started, I think we all expected a 5 or 6 win season, as most did.
But when this team started coming together and giving us hope by beating the Ravens, etc. I dont think many expected us to be in the middle of a playoff race, so for all this to happen with coming out flat and fizzling out to end the year, I think we all have a right to be angry.
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I for one expected 8-10 wins
Just based on the strength of our schedule. I certainly didnt see us losing to the jags/colts but beating the ravens, thats whats more infuriating how damn inconsistent we are
I think the biggest issue here is that we were all misled into believing that this was a semi-competitive football team.
In a year that should have been much worse considering the coaching transition and lockout, this staff and team managed to field a decent team. And, really, if KB stays healthy, we’re probably looking at a playoff berth.
Expectations were in the basement to start the season, the coaching staff pulls a rabbit out of a hat, KB gets injured beginning a losing slide, and suddenly we’re all pissed off about?
All things considered, this season has been a success and a great stepping stone moving forward. Yesterday was painful, but these things happen over the course of an NFL season. The game is fresh, but it’s important to look at the body of work here; in particular, the strides that Locker appears to have made over the offseason. He’s the real story here.
No harm in kneejerk reactions following this horrible loss. I’d suggest, though, that all fans take a step back and really consider a broader perspective of the state of the franchise moving forward. I think this coaching staff has us moving in the right direction.
Again, we didn't get beat because we weren't talented
We got beat because we didn’t show up.
Two completely different worlds in my head.
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No question.
Consider that we also played above our pay grade against Baltimore and probably against Carolina, too, considering our dominance that game.
we didn't even need KB to make the playoffs
we just needed one less loss against 2 terrible teams, Jax and Indy
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we should have also beaten Cincy too, up 10 at half, we didnt even score another point the rest of the game.
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Cincy is at least an average team though
we lost twice to teams in the bottom 5 of the league.
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by criollo_pcg on Dec 19, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
I guess you can look at it that way.
But, we had no business beating Baltimore in the beginning of the season. That gave us one more AFC win, which allows us to continue to be in the wildcard discussion considering the tie breaking scenarios. A loss to them, and these final games probably have significantly less meaning.
We have the talented pieces on both sides of the ball.
Locker, Johnson, Britt, etc on offense. McCourty and Verner are up and coming, our LB core is good, same with DL. If Morgan gets healthy our DL line will be so much better. We just need to fine tune some parts. The draft will help fix that, along with camp, OTAs, and so on.
If we're lucky, right?
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i still think the tackles will be fine
hard to have unit cohesion when %60 of the unit blows
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
Not so fast on the DL.
Jones hasn’t shown he can effectively transition to DE, Morgan is still a question cause of the injury. DT has some nice young guys but the depth isn’t that good. We really need a strong pass-rusher at DE and better depth for the rotation all along the line.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
JJ was playing a bunch of time at DT yesterday, I noticed he was only ineffective at DE.
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I'd honestly be fine with moving him back there.
Grab a DE early, sign a modest one for the rotation. Then you’ve got an interior with Casey, Smith (if he sticks, can’t remember how long his deal is), Klug and probably another newbie for the interior rotation. Oh, or possibly Clayton.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
I think he's better at a DT.
We spent years converting him (and with Washburn’s tutelage), why would we want to undo all that work?
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
I liked trying to move him as an experiment, but it hasn't worked.
He was on Titans All Access the other day, and he admitted to Mike Keith that he felt more comfortable inside, and saw himself as an inside guy.
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by TennesseeTyrants on Dec 19, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
I´m still puzzled by the d-line performance.
We got bigger DTs, but our run defense has been terrible. And maybe our best pass-rusher is the one small DT on the team (Klug).
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by criollo_pcg on Dec 19, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Shaun Smith has disappeared over the season.
I thought he would be our “big guy” but when Marks is starting over you…not good.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
Marks seems to be finally turning a corner.
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by StPrattrick on Dec 19, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
I still don´t see that.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
How about this then
We re-sign Ball.
Move JJ back to DT where he made a difference, use him in a rotation with Klug.
Draft another higher round DE (1st-3rd)
Thoughts?
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by StPrattrick on Dec 19, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
I want DE first-round honestly.
And maybe even a 3rd round DT. Look at the Giants, if we get a great DL going, that can help the entire defense. And with already solid pieces at CB and LB, we may not necessarily need to go safety early (though we absolutely need an upgrade there too).
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
WOuldn´t bother me, but I would still prefer an offensive lineman with that 1st round pick.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
Highly doubt they're doing that.
Based on recent history, they’ll probably sign a FA, keep one of Amano/Harris, and then draft a mid-round guy at the highest.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
I still don't say Safety in the first round, i'd rather grab one in the 3rd round
I’d like us to go for the O-line in the first, but Thor has done more with less before… so maybe a 1st round O-line guy wouldn’t be needed.
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I haven't gone into full-on draft mode yet, but are there any top-flight safeties?
As I said above, just don’t see O-line in first couple rounds, especially interior ones. Unless Reinfeldt wants to completely buck the trend since he’s been here.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
Jommy wants Mark Barron.
It’d be a bit of a reach if we’re picking in the teens though.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
There is really 1-2 safeties being considered for the first round
but quite a few going potentially in the 2-3rd round.
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I want a damn everydown defensive lineman who is good
I am sick of this situational crap
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I HOPE Morgan can become that on one side.
But moving JJ back inside is probably the right move to make, and ideally you can grab an every-down guy who is also a terror pass rushing.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
we should have 2 3rd round picks this year, i really hope OL, DE, and WR are addressed within the first 4 picks.
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Oh man I completely forgot about that.
Thanks Babin! WR, OL, S, DL would be my first four.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
All of that
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I like it.
Klug, Casey, JJ at DT is a good rotation. And Marks has improved too. My only concern with going DE high is that we leave other needs unaddressed.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
I really don't want another 1st round DE, but I would def. not mind a 2nd round or one of our 2 3rd round picks being use on a DE
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I think if you go WR, OL, S, DE (in that order)
You have a chance to get a 3rd WR, starting guard, starting safety and contributing DE all in two nights work.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
You want to get a 3rd WR in the first-round?
I want a starter if we’re going there.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
I think he meant 3rd competent receiver, not position wise.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
I can't see whoever we pick beating out Britt and Washington on the depth chart.
Unless you swing someone like Jeffery outside and then Washington back in. Palmer uses a ton of multiple WR sets, so even I’d classify whoever the pick is as a “starter.”
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
Fair enough.
I don’t know if I want a WR unless Blackmon falls (ha) or Jeffery is there. Floyd scares the hell out of me.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
I would not go with Floyd at all.
Just Jeffery or then I’d look at another position.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
Jeffery is suppose to be a Top 10 pick
So, sounds like we’d be looking somewhere else.
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Weight and lack of speed will hurt him.
But yes, if we can’t get him, there is no other WR I would take.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree with going for WR in the first (especially where we would be positioned)
but all I know is we def. need more WR depth, and we can’t rely completely on Britt/Washington anymore.
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Jones is a free agent
And someone will pay him more than we will pay him, which is fine. If he is only good enough for a rotational DT on this team (which, by the way, we already have in Klug), then we shouldn’t pay him big bucks. Another team will. I say he is a goner unless we get him for cheap.
What I ment was re-sign JJ
if he is wanting or getting bigger contract offers, let him walk.
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The players are the ones that set our expectations, here.
I went into this season thinking we would suck, and the players tried to prove me otherwise. So now they should get a pass because they couldn’t keep it up? Why don’t you go tell the players “It’s ok because we all thought you’d blow anyway” and see how it goes.
They set the fanbases expectations, people have a right to be angry about it.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 12:58 PM CST reply actions
That´s kind of why I´m pissed with Hasselbeck.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
Was J. Fisher back on the sidelines on Sunday.
I sure thought I saw him there
Pratt had one too many after the game yesterday
And luckily his friends got him on film.
Sikes found it on youtube.
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What belt?
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Obviously there will be plenty of time in the coming weeks and months to talk about an offseason plan, but the point of this rambling post is that this team still has a long way to go before being a legitimate contender. That loss yesterday should serve as an embarrassing reminder of that.
I’d argue that we’re one developed Jake Locker and healthy Kenny Britt away from being a contender. If Locker develops into a top 10 talent, this team will develop into a consistent top 10 team year in and year out.
IF Britt can stay healthy and out of trouble.
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I think if we can give him another WR and a guard or two,
this team will be a contender, regardless of what happens with the defense.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
Still would like some defensive upgrades.
The whole “defense wins championships”…or maybe the years of Fisher here and all the defensive last-second wins have made me that way.
But I do agree…better depth at WR and an upgraded interior line and our offense could be on well on its way to something special.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
the defense is really just a pass rusher or two from being good enough to win it all
the run d will get better as our LBs and DTs mature a little. but this has to be our worst season ever from a pass rush standpoint
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I keep remembering that SuperHorn post about elite teams having one side of the ball in the top 10.
Our offense is close to being that.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
Our offense is close to being that.
Not at all.
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Really?
I think this offense can be downright explosive with Locker, Britt and maybe CJ if he pulls his head out his ass.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
Outside of Locker, I am not so sure about anything anymore.
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I am perhaps over-emphasizing the potential I see, but I think its only a piece or two away from capitalizing on it.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
I think we have a lot of talent, but nothing to put it in motion
and the problems we do have on offense are affecting/overshadowing the talent we do have.
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This all depends on Locker's development.
If he develops rapidly, this team could absolutely be a top 10 team by 2013. Using the most dramatic of examples, look at the Colts in the 2 years following his rookie year. There are countless others that follow a similar trend, though.
Or the Colts after Manning's rookie year...
From 3-13 to 13-3 and divisional champs. Until the Titan train came along…I miss those days.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
But we've realized we have a pretty serious issue with dept at WR
Steven’s is our only capable every-down TE
Our O-line is a dumpsterfire
Our RBs are not who we thought they were.
I am worried.
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Meh.
I get that, but you need to consider just how dramatically a QB can influence the play of those around him. Sticking with the Manning example, look at Harrison’s numbers in the 2 years prior to Manning + his rookie year. Then, look at the years that followed. He went from pedestrian to HOF caliber.
I agree, and Locker seems to add that spark that ignites our offense
but holy crap we are starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel
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We need to put Locker in better position to win with the team
not MAKE him win with receivers that probably wouldn’t make other teams practice squads (in Hawk’s defense, he did actually show up yesterday… )
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Add G + WR
Then we sit back and watch.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
Center that doesn't fall into a runningback?
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That too.
I think if we could improve the players around the C though, we could minimize or hide him effectively.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
Or...sign Jeff Saturday and move Amano back to guard!!!1
I don’t even know if Saturday is a FA or not, but I’m liking the idea of getting him more and more if he is.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
I'd take some Saturday at C for us.
Shit literally anyone at center.
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I like him, only concern would be age/deterioration.
I find it hard to evaluate the Colts line because Manning hid a lot of their issues, too.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
He's still a really good center
and we’d be doing the same thing we did with Mawae. We would just HAVE to find a replacement at the end of his contract. I am looking for immediate impact, not long term project.
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The Mawae comparison is good.
It suddenly makes me want Saturday more. Maybe he can be a stopgap for us to groom a C.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
Instead of moving a shitty guard into an unnatural position throwing a ton of money at him
and calling it a center.
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That's why I want Saturday.
The Mawae veteran factor. Normally I’d rather go young, but having a veteran anchor for that line I think would be a huge help, and then that’s one less interior line spot to worry about fixing.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
I hate that we are supposed to be guilted in to all this...
we are a frekin game out of the playoffs. Stop with the rebuilding talk, and get on with tie breakers and beating the kitty cats or whatever ya ll like to call em
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For the first time in a long time- I completely disagree with you regarding Cortland. You need to think about things from his perspective- he is a recent husband, and a brand new father- he needs what we all want- job security. Cortland is one of the few titans over the past 4 years that I have had complete confidence in every time he buckles his chin strap. McCourty is not a pro bowler- and although we all love ATV- he’s not as good as Jmac. Cortland is a must sign for this team. End of story.
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End of story guys.
Shut up now.
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We need guys who can get ready to play football
Not worry about job security.
You get ready to play, you are will have job security.
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false
he’s our best CB still by far, and he ain’t getting re-signed
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no see
its a good thing when a DB doesn’t “show up” on tv. what, you want him to hog the limelight like griffin? name one play finnegan blew.
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So you really don't think that Finnegan should be held accountable for his role as a "leader" of this team?
If not, why pay him? We can find a cheaper nickelback and spend that money on defensive line
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The only reason we have him at nickel is because our d coordinator likes the blitz packages and the way it allows Cort to line up against the slot receiver- the titans nemesis. Alas- this is the same d cord who started b ruud all that time. Bottom line- we will only get worse without him on the field. That’s a promise.
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Don't get much worse than yesterday Homeboy
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We just lost to the win-less Colts
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Played worse than Dan orlovsky- you can’t win a game if you literally can’t pass the ball- end of the day I love y’all- we’re still titans nation… I’m at the beau rivage in Biloxi. Off to grab my ankles some more. See ya Sunday.
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all the rah rah stuff leaves me numb
either you perform like a pro or you dont. finnegan was not one of the many people who were obviously sucking.
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Of course, you also don't think CJ is a quitter either
So I am not sure how we are going to resolve this
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quit his way to 110 total yards. i wish everyone else quit like him.
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Seriously? Before that huge run off the draw play, CJ was averaging 1.33 YPC.
Cj’s production was horrific this past game. The 19 yard catch and 35 yard draw play really skew the data. He couldn’t do shit for the majority of the game and played a huge role in killing drives before they even started with his incessant stubbornness in stretching runs to the edge even if they are designed inside zone plays.
Despite these two outliers, CJ only managed 4.73 yards per touch.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
I don't
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The problem is we don´t have a better RB.. as for the QB, we have a better one on the bench.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
I heard this Harper kid is something special...
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It was disappointing he didn't at least get a shot.
Not that he would have been better, but seriously, Palmer’s just gotta look at him and say “Don’t go backwards, that’s an upgrade.”
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
I really wanted to see more from him
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He´s not a power back, not a speed back, not a threat in the pass game..
Is he a new breed of running back??
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wtf do you expect?
no RB in the league can break Amano’s tackles. dude is a force in the backfield.
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Uh. I expect more than 1.33 YPC.
Is this a joke? There’s no excuse to be made here. Watch Philadelphia if you want a case study in how a back is supposed to run with shitty run blocking.
it was a joke
but for real, keep force feeding CJ on the same slow developing stretch runs with terrible blocking, and that’s what happens. Philly is light years ahead of us in terms of diversity of run plays and how they use their RB, even if their execution is similarly bad.
not only are we terrible blockers, but we are terrible blockers running painfully predictable plays. perfect storm of failure.
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There is absolutely no question that the playcalling is a culprit here.
But, elite RB’s don’t average less than 1.5 YPC for 3.75 quarters against one of the worst defenses in the NFL. It just doesn’t happen. He’s looking for a homerun on every play instead of taking what the defense is giving him.
It would be one thing if this was an anomaly, but this has been going on all year. I can’t place my finger on it, but something’s not right here. He doesn’t seem nearly as interested anymore. That’s totally subjective, so take it FWIW.
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And that would have nothing to do with the play calling (which everyone lambasted)
Or the fact that he constantly got 2 yard passes from Hasselbeck, now would it?
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
I said this in the gamethread
but CJ is responsible for what he can control. Running backwards is something he can control, and he did a helluva lot of it last game. You can blame the line and playcalling for not opening big holes, or not even opening any, but I can guarantee no one told him to run backwards.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry, but you can't give Hasselbeck a full pass cause of playcalling
And then turn around and say CJ is a terrible quitter, and playcalling had nothing to do with it.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
Hasselbeck didn't quit.
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I'm sorry, did CJ start refusing to take handoffs?
Refuse to keep running dinky useless routes? No? Then how did he quit?
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Refuse to keep running dinky useless routes?
- yes, pick6 that could have been easily broken up.
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Yup, every single aspect of that play was CJ's fault.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
It really was though.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
Except telegraphing the throw, and then still throwing it anyway.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
Jake Lockers range isnt limited to <5 yards
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
What´s your problem with Locker?
Are you so afraid he´s going to turn out a lunatic like Young? Because really it makes no sense to want a limping QB instead of a promising rookie.
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Are you so afraid he´s going to turn out a lunatic like Young?
>>YES<< are you f-ing kidding me?!
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For the record, I am afraid of any player turning out to be a lunatic like Young.
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I second this
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I don't have any problem with Locker
I have a problem with our whole team laying down yesterday and everybody blaming it on Hasselbeck.
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*This
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And that apparently Locker fixes all the problems.
Magically.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
Matter of fact, it's Locker time now.
If Munchak doesn’t start him this week, he’ll lose me too.
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I don't think anybody is saying the whole loss is Hasselbecks fault.
But he is where our offense starts, and he was god awful yesterday.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
^ THIS.
Gramsey’s comment just to be clear, not sure where this will show up.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
Party foul, can't call TWSS on yourself!
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
GoldenGrams is fishing for attention
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
What did that have to do with CJ giving up on the route?
and not making a play for the ball? and not breaking up the intercepted ball that all he literally had to do was run into the guy?
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All from right before the point that it entered the CBs hands
I would agree with you
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I'm not giving Hasselbeck a pass.
I didn’t even mention Hasselbeck, so….
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I haven't seen anybody give Hasselbeck a pass
But I have seen plenty say Locker would have fixed everything.
Neither are true.
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That's fine, I guess.
But, just throwing around things gross totals like “110 total yards” is exceptionally misleading. For all our discussions about context, I’m certain I don’t have to explain this to you.
Moreover, he gets plenty of blame on his own for constantly fucking stretching out runs. Ugh. I don’t know how he can “make his reads” and “do what he does” with his head so far up his ass. It was painful watching him try to run the football yesterday.
Good riddance?
This is a two way street. Many guys would hold out, yet Cortland manned up and played a full season. Not only that, he played at an exceptionally high level. How did job security work out for Matt Forte?
Sure, Cortland has been vocal lately, but he’s still playing the games. He’s not holding out like CJ.
Cortland is one of the handful of players I’m proud to call a Titan. Not only for the way he plays on the field, but also the way he handles himself off the field.
I would like him a whole lot better if he had spent time getting his teammates ready to play
Instead of worrying about paying his bills.
Good riddance.
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Whatever.
I just want some fucking player on this defense to step up and have some balls and lead.
I guess I am just pissed cause I thought Finnegan would be that guy this year.
I was wrong.
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so nate washington is a great leader??
even though the offense was infinitely worse than the defense yesterday? (except for maybe griffin, who blows hard)
show up, play hard, do your job. finnegan seems to do that week in and week out. just like CJ, i wish way more of our guys had all of finnegan’s faults i guess.
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"just like CJ, i wish way more of our guys had all of finnegan’s faults i guess."
You have officially lost me with this
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you have a roster full of slapdicks
who don’t do jack shit, but you pile on two of the guys who actually fucking accomplished something resembling “football” yesterday.
not the young DTs and LBs who sucked against the run, and basically did nothing positive outside of a forced fumble.
not the non-existent DEs who haven’t done shit all year.
not griffin for shitting all over himself on 2 TDs
not hasselbeck for being dreadful.
not damian williams for dropping first downs.
not the shitty o-line for generally ruining everything, as they almost always do.
not palmer/munchak for their disastrous coaching.
just the guys who actually had a little success to go with all the suck and fail. dumb. if nate is such a great leader, why did his side of the ball blow so hard?
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Again, because we are paying that one dude the salary of all of those players combined,
because he is suppose to be that player that can make those plays and win these games.
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by StPrattrick on Dec 19, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
well thats just fucking stupid
no single player does it alone. maybe you were expecting Tebus?
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Why did we pay him all that money then?
because we were expecting everyone else to do their job to perfection so he could be relevant again?
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I was expecting at least average production from the second highest paid running back in NFL history.
What do you want him to do, though?
Turn into Casper and phase through the 4-5 defenders that swarm him on almost every down?
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
Not run backwards.
That’s what I want him to do.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
Catch a f-ing football that hits him in the hands
instead of being b-slapped away from the ball
//pick-6’d
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When the Bills tried throwing it to CJ Spiller a few weeks ago
I laughed at the TV and kept saying “He’s not a wide receiver, Bills! He’s a runningback. Stop throwing to him!”
I think the same thing applies here.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
CJ Spiller is also not the second highest paid "playmaker" in the league
and part of his responsibilities is catching a football.
Aside from that CJ Spiller sucks in general.
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Our CJ hasn't made his career on catching the football, though.
Paying him the big money contract doesn’t magically make him better at that. It just means we can chew him out for not being good at it.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
He was our leading receiver 2 years ago
our second highest receiver last year… sooooo…
awkward.
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(in receptions)
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Have you watched the Philadelphia Eagles this year?
How about the St. Louis Rams? Atlanta Falcons? Chicago Bears?
All these teams have poor run blocking units, yet they still manage decent (and in some cases great) run games.
Difference:
They have poor run blocking units. We have EUGENE AMANO and LEROY HARRIS.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
And how many times did CJ get tackled by his own O-lineman last year
compared to this year?
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
CJ hasn't gotten "tackled by his own O-linemen" enough to have a meaningful impact on his YPC.
It’s not as simple as “the O-line sucks” so CJ gets a pass. Both suck.
CJ’s lack of decisiveness in the hole, or really anytime he touched the ball yesterday, was a real problem. If making excuses helps you cope with the pain, then that’s fine.
Our reality is that an above average, traditional back could produce average-above average numbers in this offense. Fight it all you want, but it’s the truth.
by SuperHorn on Dec 19, 2011 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What was Amano and Harris going to do when the ball hit CJ in the hands
and it was ripped out of his digits resulting in a pick6?
We’ve already seen what happens when Harris tries to get involved in the passing game…
///SoManyPenalties
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What was CJ going to do? Rewind time so he knew the guy was coming at him?
The reason that happened in the first place was because we had an injured QB that could barely throw the ball resulting in an offense that did checkdowns all day, making that pass to CJ that got pick-6’d predictable as all hell.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
YOU STILL BREAK UP THE F-ING PASS!!!!!11
literally all he had to do was run into the guy.
And yes he knew he was there, because 1 second earlier he tried to “juke” him out and run the inside slant.
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And if he couldn't break up the pass...
why wasn’t the fastest man in the NFL chasing him from behind at least trying to save a TD.
The Force is with you, young SkyLocker, but you are not a Jedi... yet!
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you lost perspective, becuase all of them are well paid.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
Well, isn't this a load of pessimistic exaggeration on your part.....
You’re making it sound like we’re the 0-16 Detroit Lions.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
It's DramaticHal being dramatic
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Hal + B/R = DramaticHal
Sounds about right.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
answer the question douchebag
which of those things didnt happen yesterday?
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I'm a douchebag because I dare defy the almighty dramatic hal?
Nice composure, man.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
no
you’re a douchebag because you obviously can’t read. i was talking about yesterday. that’s it. don’t blame me cuz you can’t read.
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ahhhhh here we go.
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/denied
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:20 PM CST up reply actions
You're right. Damn. You got me.
I can’t read. I’m having a robot repeat what’s on the screen to me vocally.
I never learned to read. :(
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
we would have lost to them yesterday
all of those things happened yesterday, feel free to point out which ones you dispute
Pearl for Life.
I hate football.
we lost to the 0-16 detroit lions´ QB.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
I dispute you judging our entire team on one game's shitty performance.
Because you weren’t saying this shit after they played their hearts out against the Saints.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
well work on your reading comprehension, because yesterday is what im talking about
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Reading comprehension, really?
And what does Caturday have to do with anything?
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
there is a lot of that going around
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Was making a joke about reading comprehension
by reading “yesterday” as “caturday”.
Sorry, need to remember that you don’t have a sense of humor.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
Actually I have called out all of that in various spots on MCM since the game ended
And I also added Tommie “why is he still on the team” Campbell.
You just keep trying to convince us that Chris Johnson played well yesterday, and Finnegan decided to let us know he is worried about paying his bills instead of getting ready to play a football game.
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I like it how I am so mad I can't even type
I are will might maybe learn how
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So everyone is to blame?
Thanks for clearing that up. Sounds like Head Coach speak to me.
Munchak is to blame for sticking with a dead, limp, injured Hasslebeck who couldn’t throw because of his calf; only Palmer deserves more blame for his now habitually inane play-calling.
I refuse to spread the blame equally when it is so apparent what (who) the problems were.
Mike Munchak needs to be a one-year experiment; and Hasslebeck, too.
A good coach puts the win and the playoffs above loyalty to any one player.
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I am so glad you only post your inane bullshit after we lose
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by gramsey712 on Dec 19, 2011 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
You haven't noticed the "fans" that show up when we're losing but are absent when we win?
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
Right back at ya, again.
Mike Munchak needs to be a one-year experiment; and Hasslebeck, too.
A good coach puts the win and the playoffs above loyalty to any one player.
by The Jade Scorpion on Dec 19, 2011 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
If only you were as creative with your replies
as you are dissing our team.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 19, 2011 6:21 PM CST up reply actions
Right back at ya!
Mike Munchak needs to be a one-year experiment; and Hasslebeck, too.
A good coach puts the win and the playoffs above loyalty to any one player.
by The Jade Scorpion on Dec 19, 2011 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
Wrong
I post my inane bullshit win or lose.
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by gramsey712 on Dec 19, 2011 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not even sure why we would want to see Locker play with a team full of football incompetents.
He deserves better than this.
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Keep Locker and Nate
FIRE ERRBODY ELSE!!!!
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by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Dec 19, 2011 1:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't see the point in throwing him in now.
He’s not going to catch the football, he’s not going to block, he’s not going to run the football (okay maybe a little), and he’s not going to play defense.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
People want change for the sake of change.
Yes, Hass has not done much lately…but Locker hasn’t been able to engineer this last-second wins when he’s come in and has also gone against softer coverages for the most part. I also agree with you, I’d rather go ahead and let Hass take the beating over the next couple of games (as terrible as that may sound), then give Locker an upgraded unit next year AND a full offseason working in the system before putting him out there to start.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
*This
all of this
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Putting Locker out there does not change anything that people are complaining about
Palmer’s playcalling will still suck
The line will still suck
Johnson is still a quitter
Our defense still chokes at the worst possible time
Tommie Campbell is still on the team
etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera
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I still like Tommie Campbell
even though he is an idiot
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Locker hasn't been able to overcome Hasselbeck's terrible play, ergo Locker should not start?
What do you want from the guy? He has played miles better than Hasselbeck and our offense actually looks alive with him in.
Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove
by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
I'm saying at this point it's pointless starting him.
I will agree that Hasselbeck hasn’t played well, but is it solely on him? No. Locker has also come into games late where coverages have been softer, and he can’t stop the defense from being pathetic in the run defense and giving up key plays at the worst time.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry, hit post too soon...
WIth the mediocrity in all phases of the game, why throw Locker in there now as the starter? He has no true downfield threat at WR, no run game, no line to block in either aspect, and no TE to be an outlet guy when he needs it. Let him sit and do what he’s been doing most of the year, make some offseason upgrades and allow him to work in the system in the offseason.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
How did Locker play against the Saints?
Came in pretty early there. Or was that all soft coverage too?
People want to see an offense that has some life, not a fucking 3 yard throw or a 1 yard run every play. I also want to see how he does starting, instead of having to come in and clean up Hasselbecks offensive vomit.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Dec 19, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
On the first play, on a hand off
Hass came out of it limping, No reason of that
by Indiana Titan on Dec 19, 2011 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
Locker should have started that game
We come out in the first actually throwing the ball. get a lead, then pound CJ the rest of the game. Its a win
by Indiana Titan on Dec 19, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
Absolutely 100% agreed.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
i am glad that everyone is thinking that we should keep hass as the starter
not matter how much i want locker in at qb i still want him to have the best chance to succeed
and you know exactly how to give him his best chance of succeed?
wouldn´t be benefitial to be in the playoffs as a rookie?
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
Playoffs
REALLY
We dont deserve to be in playoffs, and even if we did make it, I wouldnt want to watch that game.
by Indiana Titan on Dec 19, 2011 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
And you call CJ a quitter?! Seems like you are one of them.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
play the best player, it's that simple.
hasselebck, right now, is not the best player.
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I think it is shameful how dreadfully bad our offensive line is.
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by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Dec 19, 2011 1:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, let´s wait for the perfect situation!
Locker is known for being a leader, but can´t deal with possibly losing two games. That would ruin his career.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
maybe a chance to go to the playoffs?
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
Losing to the Colts does not a playoff team make
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by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Dec 19, 2011 1:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
sorry, still possible, even though undeserved.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
Mathematically yes
Half assed effort wise, no
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by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Dec 19, 2011 2:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
really this is bullshit.
in your theory we should have tanked the season and picked 1st.
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SUCK4LUCK
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by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Dec 19, 2011 2:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
For the record, I was just being facetious with this
Since I am going to be sitting at LP Field Saturday with probably 20,000 of my closest friends (if that many), I would much much rather watch Locker play and see what he can do.
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I feel so ashamed (being called a titan fan)
even being seen at that game
curious
were there any fat hump fans gloating in your face? or did you go titan gear less and layed low?
you cant go titan gearless to game. COME' on man
by Indiana Titan on Dec 19, 2011 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
Loud and proud baby
After the game more like quiet, and ashamed, curling up in a corner, wanting to be carried out
by Indiana Titan on Dec 19, 2011 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
hate to harp on this more
but finally getting to go see your favorite team play your most despised (i assume) team when they come to your neck of the woods where they are expected to slap the shit out of them only to not even show up for it must have been so shitty.
i hope that never happens to you again.
Im getting quite use to it actually(ssems to happen alot when Im there)
You would think a manningless, winless my little ponies shouldnt have even been in that game.Im still in shock, numb, dumbfounded,
by Indiana Titan on Dec 19, 2011 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
no refunds on poor performances
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by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Dec 19, 2011 1:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
hey! there is some good news though! We may have saved Caldwell's job for another season!
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That would be absolutely hilarious.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
It's all part of the plan...
Now they’re going to upset the Texans and/or beat the Sparkle Kitties…and we will have conned them out of Andrew Luck!
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
Although I just read that apparently Caldwell staying means Manning would stay...
This just gets better…
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
That would be awesome.
Maybe the Fins/Skins make a move for Luck.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
On the bright side...
At least we can argue about WHEN our rookie QB should become the starter, rather than wondering SHOULD he be the starter like our divisional rivals the Sparkle Kitties. Reading through BCC is kinda funny with the debate over Gabbert.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 19, 2011 2:20 PM CST reply actions
There was a really good fanpost by a former writer (run off by that clown Alfie) about Gabbert's gloomy future.
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Reading through comments...I'm not a fan of Alfie.
Seems like a BBS-lite.
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He's not very welcoming of other opinions, so ya, sounds about right.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 19, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
Right now I'm hoping they both start Saturday.
I would love to see a Locker vs Gabbert game. Rub Jags fans’ noses in our future elite QB. And give Hass another week of rest should we win out and the stars align for a WC.
The Force is with you, young SkyLocker, but you are not a Jedi... yet!
Grmasey, to be clear, what do you fear in a possible Locker start this year?
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
"Last week Cortland Finnegan jumped at the opportunity to call this his last year with the Titans."
Really?
It is like you have three weeks left and they say you are going to be fired, and you don’t hear anything leading up to that. You just do the best you can with what you’ve got. But from history, it doesn’t look bright for me here. But I know I can’t control that. I would be very upset with that. Very upset. I want to retire here.
That doesn’t sound like Finnegan “jumping at the opportunity to call this his last year” with us. Wtf?
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Is this how the ravens felt after lodi
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Is this how the ravens felt after losing to an 0for miami?
On Hiatus
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...
Yay. We have something in common with Ravens fans.
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