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Tennessee Titans Daily Links: Titans Crack The Top 10 Edition

Tennessee_titans_30x21 Jurrell Casey ranks as the 8th best rookie so far this season, according to PFF.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 PFF also manages to throw some cold water on the Titans' performance against the Saints.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 The Titans continued their rise through the DVOA rankings, and finally cracked the top 10 overall.

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Tennessee_titans_30x21 The Tennessean returns it's 5 Hot Topics article.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 The Titans have officially put Barrett Ruud on the IR, and signed Kevin Malast off of the Jaguars' practice squad. Malast played at Rutgers with McCourty and Britt, signed with the Bears in 2009 after going undrafted, and caught on with the Titans this past offseason until getting cut before the season began. My guess is he'll pick-up some of the special teams duties of Tim Shaw, who will see more snaps with McRath and Ayers also being banged up.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 Jeff Fisher's agent says the great mustachioed one will listen to 'anyone' about open coaching positions.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 If we can pull off the win on Sunday, it'll be the first time we've swept the Colts since 2002.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 There's speculation that Texans defensive coordinator Wade Phillips could be in line for another shot at being a head coach, but that was before Phillips informed the team that he will need to miss the next several weeks for unsecified medical reasons.

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by DonFrancisco on Dec 14, 2011 10:20 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

too bad our midround DL rookies

are so much better than our 1st rd DL from last year

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by rothbard on Dec 14, 2011 10:33 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

half full version

it rocks that we found such great talent and value in the deeper rounds. Morgan still has time to earn his draft position – especially with the help he has around him.

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by oilertitan on Dec 14, 2011 10:35 AM CST up reply actions  

wish we had gotten JPP after all

I was wrong on that one

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by DonFrancisco on Dec 14, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you SuperH, I agree with all of this.
My biggest concern, and what I’m basically in deathly fear of, is Locker will have success as a one-read and vacate the pocket quarterback, and decide that having success as a one-read and vacate the pocket quarterback means he’s a good NFL player.

This, is what I am most worried about as well. I am afraid, he will start finding something that works for him out there, then stick with it. He is not a finished project and he needs to understand that he is still a student at this point. We brought Hass in for a reason, we need to let that plan materialize rather then calling for Locker to start because he showed the talent we drafted him for.

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Personally I see him as a guy willing to work at his craft and not be a "one read" guy.

However, I absolutely agree with both of you in terms of him sitting. Honestly, we’ve got three games left. We can run circles around whether he should start if we’re out of the playoff race or not, and I want to see him out there too with the potential he’s shown. The reality, however, is that he is still raw and would be best served (and in the team’s best interest) by remaining on the sidelines unless needed like this past week.

I don’t think he’s going to get the Aaron Rodgers treatment, because Hass is not Favre obviously. But between sitting for three more games (really, I don’t think playing those games is going to magically speed up his development process like some seem to believe), then getting a full offseason’s work in with the system and time to work on mechanics with coaches, plus an upgraded cast around him (hopefully), THAT could do wonders for him.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 14, 2011 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

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I don’t think he’s going to get the Aaron Rodgers treatment, because Hass is not Favre obviously.

Obviously health is an issue here, but before Favre had his one solid final year in Green Bay, his performance was pretty pedestrian.

QBR of 70.9 and 72.7 in the first 2 years that Rodgers was a Packer.

Hasselbeck has proven he can play at a much higher level than that when Britt is healthy. So, a lot of this is contingent on both of their abilities to stay on the field. That said, the situation here compared to Rodgers situation in GB is somewhat similar, though, and in many ways better.

by SuperHorn on Dec 14, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Hass was Farve's back up for a bit...

just sayin’

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

This. A Thousand Times This.

I thought the biggest selling point on picking up Matt Hasselbeck was that he would be a great teacher for Locker to grow under and that he would hold the fort down and be our quarterback until Locker was ready a la Aaron Rodgers. I think to make Locker our QB now would be a mistake. As you said, he needs the time to see the game from a coaches perspective. Considering how often Hasselbeck has been injured, and I think that he has been playing hurt in those 5 games (I recall a hit I want to say against the Bengals that hurt his shoulder or hand or something). Obviously he’s going to get hurt, but also remember how great he was with Britt on the field. We’re too riled up at this point, which isn’t a bad thing, but we need to keep our eyes on the prize: Super Bowl. Locker isn’t ready. Give him more time and those professional defenses, i.e. Steelers and Ravens, will be toast. I felt confident in Hasselbeck in his ability to read defenses and only hope we play the Chargers next year so we can ruin their Christmas as VY let them ruin ours. If we put Locker in, he’ll be at the mercy of his unpolished (at this time) instincts and games like the one on Sunday will be common.

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by Ch1c1tyT1t@n on Dec 14, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I have less fear of Locker becoming a "one-read and vacate the pocket" QB than another rookie QB playing in our division

But, I do agree Locker should continue to sit if Hasselbeck is healthy. That’s why Hasselbeck was brought in…however, it looks like Locker is going to play against the Colts, which isn’t the worst thing in the world. Once Matt is healthy, he should be the starter again…but I really like Locker’s play; it is Rodgers-esque in many ways (but he still needs to improve).

by shawneriksmith on Dec 14, 2011 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah.

The one read and vacate thing isn’t a huge concern, though it could potentially create some nasty habits…ones that would need to be coached out of him later.

It’s still apparent that he’s got a long way to go in the way of diagnosing opposing defenses, though. That isn’t a shot at him, either. At this point in his NFL development, you wouldn’t expect him to being diagnosing and manipulating defenses with ease. It’s part of the process. I think he’s better suited learning those nuances from a distance as opposed to hands on.

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by sami426 on Dec 14, 2011 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

way too much fear around here.

they drafted Locker because they believe he is the anti-VY. Locker has has struggled every step of the way to get to where he is, but if he wins a couple of games in a less than All-Pro manner he’s suddenly going to lose his mind and decide he’s ready for the Super Hall of Fame Bowlzzzzz?!!? not buying it.

just because VY was a self-absorbed, delusional dumbass doesn’t mean Locker is or ever will be. VY was the greatest thing ever coming out of college. Locker lost, and lost, and lost some more in college, and was ripped non-stop by the draft punditry. i just see absolutely no similarities between their backgrounds that would lead me to believe we have to worry about the same pitfalls.

i also have yet to hear sound reasoning as to why Locker can’t learn by doing. if he’s hitting the film room hard, it shouldn’t matter if he’s watching himself or someone else on tape. no one learns anything from the sideline. you can’t see anything, make any reads, etc. the coaching film and press box still cameras are what you learn off of. he can study both regardless of whether or not he’s playing.

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Are you really surprised how much fear is around here about our shinny new franchise QB?

The wound is still so deep.

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

…and that might be underselling it

I still can’t believe I thought he would win us a Suoer Bowl!

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by NJD28 on Dec 14, 2011 10:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

and no one is saying
i also have yet to hear sound reasoning as to why Locker can’t learn by doing.

we have a vet QB that has taken us this far, what difference does it make letting him finish out the season letting Locker learn on the bench still? He still has so much to learn about the NFL, why should we be so eager to pull the trigger on Locker?

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

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by JustinS on Dec 14, 2011 11:31 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

well in this scenario

a) Hass will be chum out there against Freeney and Mathis if his mobility is limited at all. if we even want the option of Hass in week 16 and 17, i’d sit him this week.
b) Hass isn’t a durable guy in general. He hasn’t started 16 games since his mid 20’s. based on performance, id say wear and tear is starting to set it. one more nick to his legs probably won’t help things.
c) when you have a shot at the playoffs, you go for it. i think Locker can bring an extra boost for the last 3 games given that Hass is clearly not the same guy from the first 8 games.

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

with C) I believe Hass gives us the best chance to win heading into the playoffs

assuming he is healthy enough

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

given Hasselbeck's performance over the last 5 games

that’s pretty ludicrous

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

How many games has Locker won for us?

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

same number as Hasselbeck in the last 5 weeks

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Not the same number as Hasselbeck has won for us this season

because a season is 16 games long, not just 5.

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

so an obvious downward trend

that coincides with an older, somewhat injury prone QB picking up more and more bumps and bruises should be ignored?

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

All he has to do is not have his arm fall off for three more games.

Then I’m cool with whatever happens.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 14, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

so the playoffs don't interest you?

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I am not that worried about it, I already view this season as a success in my book.

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I am more interested in being Super Bowl contenders for the next 10 years.

If that means missing the playoffs in a rebuilding year, so be it.

Even with my above statement, starting Hass does not eliminate us from playoff contention.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 14, 2011 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

starting Hass does not eliminate us from playoff contention.

Correct

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

true

but he’s also obviously not playing so well as of late. but you don’t wait for your pitcher to give up 10 runs before you go to the bullpen. we have a guys who brings a different element to the table. if the starter is slumping, you use what you have. where’s all the “FISHER IS UNFAIRLY FAVORING TEH VETERUNZ!!” now?

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Difference - KC is horrible

Hass is not and still a damn good team leader.

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

If you're using past performance as an indicator

Would it be fair to take into accuont his late season surge from last year?

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by TitanNDCClothing on Dec 14, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

that was one incredibly remarkable outlier of a game

but the hawks were also 1-5 in his last 6 regular season starts that year.

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

check it out

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HassMa00/gamelog//

the first of those losses ironically was to the Saints, and he played great. something about that defense that Hass really liked.

in general though, his play was less than stellar down the stretch.

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

good god

so Locker is so fragile that 3 starts against 2 terrible teams and one good one could derail him for the next 10 years? that’s fucking nuts. if that’s even remotely true we should give up on him now and save the inevitable frustration of having another glass fragile franchise QB.

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

we should give up on him now

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

it's ridiculous

that somehow what we do in the next three games will cause some karmic shift that will determine our fate for the next 10 years.

using that as a reason not to play Locker deserves ridicule.

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

my thought is, we brought Hass in here for a reason

let him earn his paycheck and keep the rookie learning.
I think this is more valuable to us right now then the faint playoff chance we have.

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

No, but it could hinder his development or severely hurt it.

You can ignore that all you want, but its a real possibility. This has nothing to do with his work ethic or our experience with VY. Alex Smith worked real hard to, that didn’t stop him from having a rough career.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 14, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

yep, they really ruined Alex Smith for good

even a major upgrade at coach couldn’t turn him into a successful starter. wait, wut?

what, precisely, do you see indy or jacksonville’s defenses doing to somehow damage Locker’s career moving forward?

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Have you seen Alex Smith play?

Harbaugh has got him up to average play, but far from the elite QB they hoped for when they took him 1st overall. They have eliminated his top-end potential.

Regarding the defenses of Indy and Jacksonville, my answer is nothing. My concern lies with what Locker will face from any defense- looks he is unprepared for, blitzes he cannot handle, the end result being he messes up some part of his fundamentals.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 14, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

in 3 games?????

alex smith was beaten down for 5 seasons. hardly comparable. and Smith is also having his best season as a pro by basically every measure.

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

3 games is enough time for him to resort back to bad habits.
Smith is also having his best season as a pro by basically every measure

That’s not saying much.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 14, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

god we shouldn't start any rookies then

what if they all get sucked into this unavoidable bad habits vortex over the next 3 games!!! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

god we shouldn’t start any rookies then

//dramatic-Hal

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

just taking the ridiculous reasoning you guys give

i mean, three games can define your whole career now, so you can never be too careful

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Because:
god we shouldn’t start any rookies then

Isn’t equally f-ing ridiculous? hahaha

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah...

that’s kinda the point.

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

it's true

but the idea that somehow over the course of ~70-100 minutes of offensive game time he will have these insurmountable bad habits ingrained is insane.

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

As I noted in my response to you....
None of this is totally damning, of course. It just can create an environment where instead of just coaching new concepts into the prospect, you’re also struggling to coach out the ever evolving bad habits out of the prospect.

3 games won’t break Locker’s career, but it also might not be the optimal environment for development. Since I’m not convinced we make the playoffs with or without him, I’m inclined to do whatever’s in the best interest of his progression first and foremost.

by SuperHorn on Dec 14, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

if he can't learn from his own mistakes, he will not succeed in the NFL

period. that’s a pre-requisite for this position in this league.

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

So we should throw him in the water so he can either sink or swim in the NFL?

I am really glad you aren’t a head coach.

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

i don't think 3 games means that much in the grand scheme of things

you guys obviously do.

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I think 3 games is pointless for the risk/reward either way

RISK – they are right and it does f- up his development somehow.
or, suffers a sever injury
or, suffers a career ending injury

REWARD – win no games, win 1 or 2 games, win a few games, off chance we make the playoffs, probably lose early on.

Risk is much higher then Reward.

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Analogy time.

You shouldn’t take calculus if you’re not completely confident in your pre-cal skills. Locker has just mastered pre-cal and now has to learn calculus before taking the exam. Making him take the exam before he’s ready is not going to help him learn calculus. Gabbert just failed his pretty bad.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 14, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Gabbert just failz!!!!1

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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 14, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I can agree with this

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

the colts and jags

are algebra 2 at most

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmmm...

I actually got a nosebleed during my calc final. It got on a page, I’m pretty sure I freaked the prof out.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 14, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

The flipside of that

Is that a number of “memorable” players in the history of sports have defined their careers in fewer games than three

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by TitanNDCClothing on Dec 14, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

QB is unlike all the other positions.

I’m a lot more worried about Locker’s footwork than McCarthy’s.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 14, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

3 games will definitely

trump months and months of hard work in the offseason. definitely.

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually this is pretty true

distance runners are taught the same thing. When exerted you revert back to your very basic form of running, regardless if its terrible or not, as long as you keep running.

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

And that is why you have to be 100% comfortable with the "new stuff" Palmer works on with him.

Once he starts playing regularly, there’s no going back.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 14, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

so countless hours or practice between now and next season

won’t determine what he’s “most used to”?

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Who knows what he is most used to?

Do you?

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

i would guess it's what he does the most....

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

See above.

We want him as comfortable as possible with the new stuff before putting him in. That involves another full offseason.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 14, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

It f*cks with the process.

Sure. It can be coached out of him. As a coach, I’d rather not have to deal with that though.

by SuperHorn on Dec 14, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

We had barely no offseason.

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah, but i think it happens most years

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Are we still talking about Locker?

because he didn’t this year, and his only year as an NFL QB.

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

right

and we are talking about how he’s going to somehow be scarred moving forward.

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

somewhat injury prone QB picking up more and more bumps and bruises should be ignored?

So we should put our fresh-new rookie QB behind the same line that caused Hass to get injured in the first place?
We already saw what happens when they can’t protect him well enough last weekend. No Thanks.

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

which weekend?

the saints game where we only gave up 3 pressures total all game?

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

When Locker got destroyed from a blitz to his blind-side and had him on the ground for 5 min...

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

he's gonna get sacked sometimes

newsflash

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Bumps and bruises he doesn't need to accumulate right now

Thankfully, we are fortunate enough to have 2 very good capable starters on our team that are both great leaders. Why add damage (or more potential damage) to a QB when we really don’t have to?

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

so he's too fragile to get hit now?

Locker’s a big boy and an outrageous athlete. i think he can take it.

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Since when did I say he was?

I said whats the point of him getting hit when we paid a good QB to come in here to take those hits for him right now.

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

cuz we can make the playoffs

and Hasselbeck hasn’t played at a high level for over a month.

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

So by your math:

Locker = Playoffs.

By my math Locker = hasn’t won a game.

Where are you seeing Locker playing = automatic playoff entry? Because I think we screwed the pooch on that a few games back.

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

My greatest fear

is that Losker may not have that “it” factor. It’s that uncanny ability to TEBOW opposing teams.

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by titansfan4ever on Dec 14, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I will cure your fears there.

Give me a sec.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 14, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Here

Vs Oregon State, he’s clutch.

Also there’s on vs USC somewhere but I can’t find it.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 14, 2011 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks Winni, that was good stuff there.

Now…all we have to do is to figure out a way to get Oregon State on our schedule!!

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by titansfan4ever on Dec 14, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

it's not auto

just gives us the best chance. if we win the next three, we are extremely likely to get in.

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Locker has not won a game

how does that give us the best chance to win?

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

If he gets that last TD to beat the Saints...

then I would be TOTALLY down with it. But……

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by titansfan4ever on Dec 14, 2011 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

because he's not obviously in decline

Hass is old, banged up and his play is clearly suffering

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Small sample size to claim decline.

We’ve used even larger ones to claim CJ’s “decline” this season.

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by TitanNDCClothing on Dec 14, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

cj has been up and down

hass has been up but is now down. there’s a difference.

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Jake hasn't won any games in his two games where he saw significant playing time.

Hass has beaten Buffalo, Carolina, and Tampa Bay in the past 5 games. That is 3 more than 0.

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by NJD28 on Dec 14, 2011 10:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Would you still be this pro-Locker

If we had acquired someone other than Hass this offseason? I’m curious if your desire to see Locker is more driven by your dislike of Hass than the potential pros over the cons of Locker starting.

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by TitanNDCClothing on Dec 14, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

i never wanted Hasselbeck in the first place

his great play early on made me reconsider. but it has been over a month since he last played great. if Locker is the right guy, we shouldn’t be afraid of him playing 2 bad defenses and a Texans team with nothing to play for.

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I know you never wanted him

That’s why I was asking the question of whether or not your being a Locker fanboy (I say it jokingly) is outweighed by your anti-Hass bias. Simply playing devil’s advocate to your argument; I don’t necessarily disagree with it.

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by TitanNDCClothing on Dec 14, 2011 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

im not anti-Hass

i just don’t think he gives us the best chance to win at this point in the season. prior to this season, i didn’t expect us to be anywhere near the playoffs, so the calculus changes. but since we are, we should do whatever it takes to get in.

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

This entire subthread makes it clear that B/R has stolen hal's soul.

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 14, 2011 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Or they're just keeping it hostage

And subsequently he’s very fragile and emotional right now…

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by TitanNDCClothing on Dec 14, 2011 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I can't speak for everyone else, but my logic has nothing to do with Vince Young
i also have yet to hear sound reasoning as to why Locker can’t learn by doing.

First things first. All prospects aren’t created equal, and there are no absolutes as it relates to the perfect way to develop a QB. We’ve seen examples of both working. IMO, the ones that have had long term success after starting as a rookie are typically the ones that were more advanced from an X’s and O’s standpoint.

Locker is not one of these guys. That’s not his fault. He played in an option offense in high school. Zone read offense for 2 years. And, finally, Sark’s offense with some West Coast concepts. While that was obviously more advanced than the others, it still was largely based on simple two man concepts and reads.

Locker’s making strides in his development, especially his footwork, but he’s still got a way to go from a mental aspect. Which leads us back to your question.

Throw a rookie in to the mix when they are still raw, and they no doubt will learn by doing, but that doesn’t mean that they’ll learn the correct thing to do. One example:

They’ll find that instead of standing in the pocket and delivering the ball, they can scramble for an easy 5-10 yards. And, for the time being, that will probably be successful. On the surface, there’s nothing wrong with that as long as it’s a positive play. But, realize that you’re ingraining patterns into the prospect. That success creates a positive reinforcement that, while good now, could have serious consequences long term when DC’s have enough tape on the QB.

What can end up happening is that even though the QB is learning that it’s optimal to stay in the pocket and get through progressions based on time in the film room, a pattern has already been created based on the positive reinforcement given in live situations. And, when that situation presents itself again, the mind isn’t going to the film room first, it’s going to look for real data, in real situations.

None of this is totally damning, of course. It just can create an environment where instead of just coaching new concepts into the prospect, you’re also struggling to coach out the ever evolving bad habits out of the prospect.

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I vehemently disagree with this:
i also have yet to hear sound reasoning as to why Locker can’t learn by doing

There is a legitimate concern that he will develop bad habits that will take even more hard work to undo than it would be to let him learn them during the practice week alone. There is still plenty of things for Locker to improve on while sitting. Don’t make him write the test when he’s not fully prepared.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 14, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I think you missed this part, hal.
Coaches have said that the thing that made Rodgers so dangerous was his understanding of the game when he took over the starting job. You can’t rattle him because in the 3 years he sat behind Favre he got to study the game like a coach, and really get a grip on what defenses were trying to do. When he finally did take over, there was little that could confuse him.

Nobody said Jake couldn’t learn while playing. What we’re saying is that, mentally (and as you know, alot of this game is mental), he’d be alot more prepared to play & break down defenses if he has some time to look at what’s going on…but from a perspective that allows him to analyze it and process it…rather than doing it while he’s running for his life on the field.

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by titansfan4ever on Dec 14, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

And, further more, I'm not sure I want to put him out there until we can bolster our O-Line (no offense Matty)...
A standout wherever the Georgia Bulldogs needed him, Cordy Glenn enters his senior campaign having started 36 games at left guard, right guard and left tackle. Scouts aren’t only impressed with his versatility, they’re left in awe at the athleticism demonstrated by the 6-5, 338 pound mountain of a man.

Glenn was a highly touted prep prospect who stepped into the starting lineup early after redshirting in 2007. While appearing in 13 games, he started ten times; seven games at left guard and three games on the right side. Glenn’s ability to play multiple positions was tested even more in 2009 as injuries to teammates forced the Bulldogs to move Glenn from right guard in the season-opener against Oklahoma State to left tackle for four games and back to left guard for the final eight contests. Glenn enjoyed his finest season to date as a junior, starting all 13 games at left guard. Glenn explored his NFL options following the 2010 season, but elected to return for his senior campaign with the hope of seeing time at left tackle and recognizing that the 2011 crop of offensive linemen was a solid group.

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by titansfan4ever on Dec 14, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Let it be known that I say start the kid

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by rothbard on Dec 14, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Now that

Is a remarkable argument in favor of Locker sitting. I think I may have been swayed by this very comment. I forget how long Hass is signed for, but if he plays the majority of it as the starter while we continue to build our team from scratch we may end up being mentioned in the same breath with the Patriots, Saints, Packers, and Steelers of the league, by the time Jake takes over. Now I am just hoping that we can have another terrific draft class after our season is over!

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Do you see how tiny his arms look in that picture?!

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Didn't notice.

What I did see was how BIG his heart is…:-)

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by titansfan4ever on Dec 14, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

They have to be smaller

So he can have room for all six of them.

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by TitanNDCClothing on Dec 14, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm surprised that Casey is the only Titans

defensive player getting any love what with Klug and McCarthy playing so well as of late. I mean, it’s possible that they are too obscure at this point to non-Titans fans since Klug is mostly 3rd down and McCarthy has only started as of late.

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by Ch1c1tyT1t@n on Dec 14, 2011 11:33 AM CST reply actions  

Can't remember where I read it...

May have been Twitter, but someone said if McCarthy had been starting from Week One he’d firmly be in the Defensive Rookie of the Year race.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 14, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I think it was Jim Wyatt cause that sounds very familiar.

Exciting to think about next year with a full season of McCarthy.

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by Ch1c1tyT1t@n on Dec 14, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Can you imagine if Fisher was still here....

Ruud would still be playing….:-(

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by titansfan4ever on Dec 14, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL!!

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hahah

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by sami426 on Dec 14, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Even though he is on IR

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah in Fisher's kind IR means IRreplaceable.

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by NJD28 on Dec 14, 2011 10:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Non-Locker related topic of the day:

Anyone else worried about CJ’s long term production here? I assume we’ll upgrade the o-line in the offseason so hopefully we he can turn it around next year, but this season has been a lost cause. And even with all the blame the o-line is taking, there has to be at least some concern with CJ right? Not picking up the first down at the end of the game has nothing to do with them, and we’ve seen that hesitation and dancing all year.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 14, 2011 12:10 PM CST reply actions  

I'm still hopeful a full offseason for him and upgraded O-line will help.

I think when the early struggles kicked in this year it just caused him to start forcing things and always look for the big play. I don’t know if he’ll ever have explosive speed again due to natural wear and tear, but performances like Carolina and Tampa Bay show he’s still got great speed and can get big runs.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 14, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

hes still explosive

for example that 4th and 1 pitch where he outran everyone to the corner for the 1st down.

not getting the 1st on that catch was just a combination of bad move by CJ and good play by the defender. the DB did a perfect form tackle on CJ who was looking to cut back even though he should have fell forward for the 1st.

by asian phil on Dec 14, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Me too

I hate to say this, but I really don’t have faith in CJ anymore

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by gramsey712 on Dec 14, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Likewise

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by NJD28 on Dec 14, 2011 10:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

It was also a combination of the turf.

His left foot slid when he tried to make his cut.

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 14, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes and no.

Here’s why:
Statistically RB’s experience a huge drop off in production around age 30. Sooner or later we all knew that CJ would burn out especially after how Fisher ran him the last two years. So, to some degree, seeing the hesitation and side-stepping worries me because it’s a sign that the end of CJ2K and the beginning of CJ500 is approaching.

HOWEVER, all of this being said and taken into account, hesitation is a mental problem, not necessarily a physical problem. It means that CJ is afraid of hitting the hole and getting hit and hurt and being a pansy. Frankly, when CJ goes after the hole, like he did the 2 games before last Sunday, he still has that spark. He is slower, but when he can man up and get his mind right he’ll be fine. After seeing him get Nate off the field last Sunday helped too. Obviously he’s a team player and if helping the team means getting over his mental blocks, then I know he will do it.

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by Ch1c1tyT1t@n on Dec 14, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I think we have made a huge mistake investing so much money in him

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I can't help but agree.

At the very least we have learned not to tie up so much money in a “playmaker” who’s only good when he’s surrounded by five other good linemen.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 14, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think the play calling is doing him any favors either.

I don’t have any actual analysis of this, but it just seems like the types of running plays run this year are part of the problem.

Like, those stretch runs. You stretch the play out so that a hole will develop for the RB to run through, but the line isn’t good enough to run block for more than 1.5 sec at a time.

by asian phil on Dec 14, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

So after fully upgrading our O-line to dominate run-blockers will CJ be elite.

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

"Completely revamped"? What does that mean?

I don’t see Scott back, so there’s one new guy. And I think Harris’ contract is up so there’s two. Pick up a FA for one guard spot, draft a guy for the other (or if they trust Velasco or Matthews to do it). Unfortunately due to Amano’s contract I think he sticks around. Roos and Stewart have been down this year, but I expect them to bounce back.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 14, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I was thinking about Velasco or Matthews...

especially after the repeated Harris penalties this weekend, if they are really that much (or any) better… why wouldn’t they be playing? honestly? there has to be something glaring wrong in their game that keeps them on the bench…

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Well I think we can pick up one guard in the draft early.

Maybe a free agent somewhere else. But that still leaves one interior line spot up for grabs at the least. I think it’ll take two years to get the line back up to “great” play. If we’re aggressive in the draft or FA, maybe we can speed the process up.

Roos and Stewart will be around for a while, considering their overall play here has been excellent and their contracts. Both will be 30 next year. While that’s not a huge concern since its not like the RB drop-off at that age, it could be a situation where by the time we plug one hole in the dam (interior line), another could burst. At the least, they will both be on the downside of their careers.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 14, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, with Bruce & Munch being HOF O-Linemen themselves....

you’d think that they’ve got plan to fix things on the line….wouldn’t you?

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by titansfan4ever on Dec 14, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh I'm sure they realize they need to upgrade.

For the sake of Locker and CJ, its crucial they do. But its a five man unit, could take some time.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 14, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I've already seen one mock that has us taking that guard out of Stanford in the first round.

I’d honestly be shocked if that happens…but it certainly would speed up the process.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 14, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I am all for this...

I think a massive upgrade like that would help fix a number of problems on our passing and running game… I am really not as concerned about our defense as I was earlier in the season.
I think OL should be a top priority of us.

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I still worry about DE and S.

But I suppose a long-term starter on the line would help multiple areas of the offense.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 14, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

I’m thinking who could make the biggest overall impact for their respective side of the ball.
1st – OL
2nd – DE/S
3rd – S/DE

I would say.

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, and WR.

But outside of Blackmon and Jeffery (both of whom I think will be gone by the time we pick), not sure anyone else is worth a first round pick.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 14, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Those are the only 2 I would go for in the first or second

that being said, we won’t have a shot at getting them… so no WR in the first or second rounds.

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

If you're talking about DeCastro...

we’d have to trade up to get him, a move I would be in favor of as long as we don’t have to give up the farm to do it. He’ll go in the top 10. for sure.

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by titansfan4ever on Dec 14, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

A guard in the top ten? Doubtful.

This mock had us picking at 18 and getting him, that sound reasonable to me.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 14, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Ya he's not going in the top 10.

At that price he wouldn’t be worth it.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 14, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

But....2012's draft is short of "blue chip" interior linemen...

There’s just DeCastro & my man Glenn….and then….a big drop off.

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by titansfan4ever on Dec 14, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I can't see it.

There are 3-4 QBs who could go in the top 10. Then add the top WR, OT, DE and LB into the mix.

He is the best G in the draft from what I’ve read, but there are certain values teams place on them. I’d be stunned if he went that early. Somewhere between 11-20 is about right.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 14, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Still not likely.

There’s always a premium and perceived value on certain positions. Even if he’s considered the premier guard coming out, top ten teams just aren’t going to take an “unsexy” pick. They’ll go for glamour positions like QB, WR, RB, DE, CB or the only “sexy” o-line pick, a tackle.

Look at last year when Pouncey was considered the best interior lineman, took until the fourteenth pick for him to go.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 14, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Ya, DeCastro has been a popular pick to the Titans.

He would be an insta-starter pick, but I’m partial to a WR at that spot, until I learn more in the offseason about the ones coming out.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 14, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

the only other WR we'd be in contention for is Michael Floyd

and he’s a Britt waiting to happen in terms of off field stuff. He already has problems in college.

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by nolesbroncos3456 on Dec 14, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I expect Jeffery to fall.

Weight issues and a slow 40 time may sink his stock.

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if a WR, I was hoping for Mohamed Sanu from KB's school, Rutgers

but he’s staying in school

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by nolesbroncos3456 on Dec 14, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

But....what difference does it make to have great WRs...

if the QB has no time to find them?

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by titansfan4ever on Dec 14, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

That is a good point, but here is where draft strategy comes into play.

I want a WR and an OG. They would do wonders for this offense. I think if you can go WR in the first round and OG in the second (or FA), then you have two starters right there immediately (the WR, let’s say Jeffery, would be 3rd on the depth chart). If you reverse it, and go OG first, let’s say DeCastro, then WR in the second, I can’t see that WR being higher than 4th on the depth chart.

So one way I think you can land two starters, the other only one.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 14, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

But I don't think it's safe to assume that...

the 2nd rd WR couldn’t start.

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by titansfan4ever on Dec 14, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I really hope All-state stays our #2 next year

he earned it this year.

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed...but besides him & Britt...

nobody else has stood out this year.

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by titansfan4ever on Dec 14, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I can't see a 2nd round receiver going higher than DWill on the depth chart.

They will probably be around the same skill level, one with more experience.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 14, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Landing starters is all I am concerned about really

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd say go OG first then WR in the 2nd

the talent level for OG is much shallower than WR this year. Outside of DeCastro and Glenn, not much is left there. I’m slightly intrigued by Miami’s Tommy Streeter, 6’5 215 4.4-4.5 40

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by nolesbroncos3456 on Dec 14, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

+1.

Then a DE in the 3rd.

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by titansfan4ever on Dec 14, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know if this is to me or titansfan4ever but...

I think if you give someone with a base talent to Munchak and Matthews, they can make it work. What the issue is, in my opinion, is that we give them crappy sixth rounders to work with. They will get the most out of talented players who may not be the most polished, but they are not magicians. Can’t make something out of nothing.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 14, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Right, that is my point above...

going OL in the first fixes more problems then adding a rookie WR

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Is there any reason not to move Amano back to guard

He played there before Bud (and every other owner) refused to deal with our probowl center due to his position as the union pres. Wouldn’t it make since to sign/draft a great center and shift Amano back over to where he played better?

by Brian Riddle on Dec 14, 2011 3:08 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I actually think we should seriously consider renegotiating his contract this off-season

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Its too late, CJ would not agree to anything.

He got us, now we’ve got to live with it.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 14, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think we should out-right cut him if he doesn't agree to it...

but I would say if the trend continues into next year… welp… yeah, time to look at different options.

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

He has one more year.

Show up, or get out.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 14, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

"I've made a huge mistake..."

Can’t wait for 2013 on Netflix.

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

I'm going to stick up for my man, C.ya J.

He’ll be just fine, trust me. He hasn’t forgot how to run. But you know that damn holdout…combined with that damn lockout…sure as hell didn’t help him at all!! No worries, my fellow MCM’ers…next year, you’ll see the old C.J. that we know and have all (well, most of us anyway) come to love. I have faith in no. 28…and don’t ask me how I know this for sure (but I do)….HE WILL NOT LET US DOWN!!

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by titansfan4ever on Dec 14, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

not worried

if he can’t do it after a full offseason and with some decent blocking, then i’ll be worried.

also, CJ has ALWAYS hesitated and “danced”. so did barry sanders. it’s what that type of back does. the difference in the past was he was able to “dance” his way into the open field.

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by hal41605 on Dec 14, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

The Tennessee Titans have signed safety Robert Johnson to the 53-man roster from the team’s practice squad and placed veteran safety Anthony Smith on injured reserv

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 1:14 PM CST reply actions  

RJ IS BACK!!!

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by titansfan4ever on Dec 14, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Wonder if we'll see him out there in some packages.

We seem to be using more safeties lately.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 14, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

how did smith get hurt?

or did he suck and we’re just using IR as an excuse to cut him

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by nolesbroncos3456 on Dec 14, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

The Titans also added cornerback Terrence Wheatley, a second-round pick by the Patriots in 2008, to the practice squad to replace Johnson.

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Continuing the Locker discussion down here.

From Paul K’s blog:

Before the topic turned to Luck, they discussed how Cam Newton, Andy Dalton and Christian Ponder have played pretty well as rookies.
Rodgers said he’s impressed by what those guys have done, but that sitting for three years behind Brett Favre was fantastic for him.

"It allowed me to get my body in the kind of shape I wanted to get in. But more importantly to become an expert in our offense and to study defenses. If you talk to those guys you mentioned playing right now in a couple years, they’ll probably say, ‘Man, I didn’t really know anything or know what I was doing as a rookie.’ Because the game just really starts to open up to you after a couple offseasons. You do a lot of self-scout study and you study defense and then you can really I think become a very quick reactor. Those guys getting the experience early, they’ll be able to see a lot of looks. You really start to get that comfort level the more looks you see and the more time you study in the offseason."
This can be taken one of two ways, of course, but I found it interesting nonetheless.

by SuperHorn on Dec 14, 2011 1:58 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Alright SuperH we get it! Rodgers is Mr.McDreamBoat.... geez.

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I know, I was just razzin'

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by StPrattrick on Dec 14, 2011 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Pratt, I'm done with my exams, so can I worship at your feet now?

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