Tennessee Titans Daily Links: Jake Locker Is My Quarterback Edition
by August West on Dec 12, 2011 9:41 AM CST
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Let the Jake Locker era begin. Matt Hasselbeck has been about as good as any free agent was going to be for us this year, but over the past month he's been unwilling (or unable) to go downfield. The result has been an increasingly ineffective passing attack that's been buoyed by a revived running game. When you compare that with Locker's two outstanding relief performances against the Falcons and Saints, it's pretty clear to me that the time to hand this franchise over to Locker is now, regardless of Hasselbeck's health. Now that's not to say that I would be irate with the coaching staff if Hass remains the starter. I do, however, believe Locker gives us at least as good of a chance to win, and he's the future of this organization. Plus, Locker taking over the job now means he'll go through next offseason and the next training camp clearly entrenched as the no. 1 guy.
Nate Washington was pissed over Roman Harper's brutal facemask against Damian Williams, but I have to admit that I've seen the same thing several times in other games and understood that while it's dangerous, defenders are hardwired to prevent touchdowns and that's exactly what was going to happen if he didn't grab Williams' facemask. As for the other stuff, I'd agree that the Saints' defense was overly-chippy, but given the way our defense has played at times over the past decade it's in poor taste to complain about those kinds of play. I mean to we really have room to complain about a high hit on a QB after all of the 15-yarders we've racked up? As long as nobody gets hurt, my beef is more with the poor officiating that allowed the Saints' DBs to do things like maul our receivers all game long. If they won't call it and you're not trying to hurt a guy just for being there, then why not do it? It's football.
Sunday's loss means we have to do something we haven't done all year in a long time if we want to have a shot at the playoffs: win 3 games in a row. Granted they aren't against the greatest teams, but they're all divisional match-ups that have a way of being tougher than they should be on paper. Plus, while the Texans might not benefit from a win in week 17, you can bet that their veterans would love nothing more than to knock us out of the playoffs if they can.
Congrats to the Houston Texans on their first AFC South title. It's so heart warming to see their steady, 9-year plan come to fruition.
Nate Washington struggled to get off the field after his 40-yard gain. While most observers figured it was Washington's ankle, my guess is anybody would struggle to walk at all with balls that big.
It was an up and (more so) down game for Chris Johnson, but he's not going to get a lot going when the offense is sputtering due to penalties and incomplete passes on 1st and 2nd down. CJ didn't have a good day, but the mistakes by the rest of the team were part of the reason why.
Jake Locker thought he got the first down on that 'failed' QB sneak... because he did.
The Jets are now our biggest opposition for the final wildcard spot and hold a one game lead, but their defense took a big hit was a possibly season-ending injury to safety Jim Leonhard. When Rex Ryan left Baltimore for New York, Leonhard was the first guy to come along, and he's been one of Rex's favorite guys for years now.
Pacman Jones went all LenDale White yesterday.
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A tougher 3 game stretch. We can do this.
by Lobotomyze on Dec 12, 2011 9:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
good catch
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by August West on Dec 12, 2011 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
Well done.
While most observers figured it was Washington’s ankle, my guess is anybody would struggle to walk at all with balls that big.
by SuperHorn on Dec 12, 2011 9:53 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Have to ask...how'd you think Locker's mechanics were?
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 12, 2011 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
Mixed bag.
When he can step into his throws, he’s overwhelmingly impressive. Really, I’m giddy just talking about it. His movement in the pocket and footwork when stepping into throws reminds me of Rodgers. A few years ago, you’d see Vince step up to cut it loose and the fan base would collectively hold our breaths. Today, when I see Locker step up in the pocket, I’m expecting a big play.
That said, he’s still a little sloppy at times with footwork. The swing pass (may have been a screen…I don’t recall) that fell about 5 feet short comes to mind. The good news is that all this can be fixed.
The kid has a live arm, great awareness, and under rated athleticism. I like two of his post game quotes:
(on the routes the receivers ran on the final play of the game)
We had two-man routes on both sides. We expected a little something different from them. They kind of got away from what they played the snap before. We just weren’t able to get our initial reads and that’s when I got outside the pocket and I either need to get rid of it or give somebody a chance to make a play in a game like that.
(on the decision to throw a deep pass to Damian Williams on third-and-one in the fourth quarter)
We had a route combination called and they came up and pressed him. He converted to a fade and we thought we had a chance to make a play. That was a bad throw. A little better throw and we score a touchdown and it might be a little different discussion right now.
This stuff is rather elementary, no doubt. But, identifying something in the film room and doing it in the live game are two different things. Blaine Gabbert claims to understand everything that’s going on. That may be true when he puts in the tape on Monday, but it doesn’t mean shit if he can’t put the information to work in action on Sundays.
Locker is still rough around the edges. Consider, though, that if he looks this good when he still is learning and cleaning up his game, then the ceiling for his potential is exceptionally high; maybe higher than any of us anticipated.
question
can his progress be related to having the time to sit and improve mechanics over spending the time reading the defenses in the film room like he would if he were starting?
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Eh. It's hard to say.
Sitting behind Hasselbeck certainly takes some pressure off and allows him to focus on the nuances of his own game instead of the opponent.
Make no mistake, though, Locker’s been spending plenty of time in the film room too. I’m sure he’s in every film session with Hasselbeck.
I think he looks like a completely different QB now then he did on the Huskies
he’s been putting his time into his craft, that is for-sure.
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by StPrattrick on Dec 12, 2011 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
This is probably the QB he would have been on the Huskies if he had a decent O-line
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by StPrattrick on Dec 12, 2011 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe it´s because he got used to having terrible protection, but..
I felt he scaped the pocket too early on a few plays yesterday.
He needs the playing time to get more confortable in the pocket, imo.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
by criollo_pcg on Dec 12, 2011 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
He does, but that's rookie mistakes there.
I remember seeing a few plays scream at my computer screen for him to stay in the pocket. I think he was just getting rattled early, but calmed down as the game went on.
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by StPrattrick on Dec 12, 2011 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah.. rookie mistakes.
Anyway, it was very good to watch him play. The adrenaline got to higher levels when he came into the game.
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by criollo_pcg on Dec 12, 2011 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
I have something I need to say to Nate Washington:
I’m sorry.
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by gramsey712 on Dec 12, 2011 9:56 AM CST reply actions 12 recs
Does that mean we can't call him "Hands" anymore?
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by titansfan4ever on Dec 12, 2011 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
As I said to my brother during the game yesterday
This guy has been a beast all year and truly earned his keep.
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by TitanNDCClothing on Dec 12, 2011 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
I think he was upgraded to All-State.
Because now I’m actually proud of his hands.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 12, 2011 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
I was just going to ask you how you felt about All-State now...
I am glad he’s gotten the chance to prove you otherwise.
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by StPrattrick on Dec 12, 2011 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
Can you imagine when Britt comes back? W-O-W
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by titansfan4ever on Dec 12, 2011 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
GoldenGrams doesn't (didn't) hate Britt though...
All-state’s made GG a believer.
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by StPrattrick on Dec 12, 2011 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
Well, one thing I REALLY respect about gramsey...
he’s not too proud to admit when he’s wrong. Maybe we should call him “Cojones”?
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by titansfan4ever on Dec 12, 2011 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
I think everyone here has had to eat crow with Nate Washington this year...
I am just glad to see he finally brought down the toughest of competitors
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by StPrattrick on Dec 12, 2011 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
Definitely....were some positives from yesterday.
And that was one of them.
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by titansfan4ever on Dec 12, 2011 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
I think he's def. our #2 next year.
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by StPrattrick on Dec 12, 2011 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
dude I'm definitely eating tons of Nate-crow this year ...
I think he’s done enough this year alone to endear him to the current Titans fan base for a long time.
He’s a unique, goofy kinda guy but he’s grown into an extremely vital leadership role over the past couple of years and for whatever reason he’s all-of-a-suddenly started catching everything … maybe Kerry and Vince were just that bad.
I actually feel like a total fool for ever making fun of him now.
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by BythePowerofMunchak! on Dec 12, 2011 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
That's what I was thinking
Maybe he just needed a real quarterback
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I was amazed that he hung on to the last ball he caught
…getting pinballed between the two DBs while in full stride and probably feeling a jolt of intense pain from his ankle as well.
That’s a man.
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by BythePowerofMunchak! on Dec 12, 2011 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
And re: Roman Harper
It wasn’t the facemask foul itself that pissed me off, it was him standing over Williams afterwards like he had just made some great play.
Turd.
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Apparently he also kicked him or nudged him with his knee while he was down.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 12, 2011 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
i thought the same thing
he just gave up a 60 yard completion,was only able to tackle him illegally, and then “bowed up” like he was Yancey Gates or something.
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by DonFrancisco on Dec 12, 2011 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
Most of the time I think facemask penalties are non-intentional and pretty much just a lame call
but this wasn’t the case of Harper “making a play” he could of squared up and dropped Dwill like a normal tackle, instead completely whiffed the tackle and deliberately took him to the ground in a violent way that didn’t need to happen. Screw trying to save a TD, he was looking to hurt someone there and it showed with him kneeing Dwill while he was down.
F- Harper, he’s a shitty player and has to play outside the rules to “make a play”
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by StPrattrick on Dec 12, 2011 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
hahaha. Our offense is much better with him in.
Some might be because the other teams aren’t gameplanning for him
by DustyPaynts on Dec 12, 2011 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
Jake "Keanu" Locker
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by titansfan4ever on Dec 12, 2011 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
Hell no, we are not comparing Jake Locker to Keanu Reeves.
Never, ever, ever, ever. Locker is actually exciting to watch…Keanu, no.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 12, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
Easy ron, calm down dude....
I was just going with the whole Matrix thing.
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by titansfan4ever on Dec 12, 2011 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry, just don't like him as an actor at all.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 12, 2011 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
Come on, Ron!
He has the uncanny hability of personifying the same charachter on completely unrelated movies!
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by criollo_pcg on Dec 12, 2011 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
call him Neo
Aka THE ONE!!
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Matrix from Commando?!
I agree.
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by StPrattrick on Dec 12, 2011 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
OK guys, this is just my opinion (for whatever it's worth)...
THERE IS NO QB CONTROVERSY!! If Matty is healthy, he’ll start. If he isn’t, Jake will start. The whole idea of bringing Matty in was not to go to the Super Bowl this year (Although that would be SWEET). It was for him to groom Jake to be who we need him to be, an NFL QB. The transition from college to the pros is HUGE. Just ask Ponder & Gabbert. The idea was to e-a-s-e Locker into that role. If Matty’s health allows that…then that’s what will happen. If it doesn’t….then…Ladies & Gentlemen…welcome to the Jake Locker Show!!
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by titansfan4ever on Dec 12, 2011 10:16 AM CST reply actions
i'd like Locker to sit for another year and play intermittently like he has this season
It’s easy to get really excited about his play and say that it’s time …. but his accuracy is still lacking in certain throws and there’s still so much he hasn’t seen (from the sidelines).
If Aaron Rodgers it he prototype for the modern quarterback and he got 3 years on the bench … I’d say give Locker at least 2 years. (2 years behind Hasselbeck seems equivalent to 3 years behind Favre as far as learning what to and not do)
I feel like it can ONLY make him better in the long run.
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by BythePowerofMunchak! on Dec 12, 2011 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
God..
If Aaron Rodgers is the prototype …
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by BythePowerofMunchak! on Dec 12, 2011 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
Does anybody else think that our coaching cost us this game.
Why was the draw play called that burnt another 20 seconds off the clock at midfield? I mean how is that play ever called in that situation. Why was the qb sneak not challenged when it was clear as day that he picked it up? I get it would have cost them a timeout had we not gotten it reversed but the draw to CJ was an awful call by Palmer.
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by The Titans are greater than the Gods on Dec 12, 2011 10:20 AM CST reply actions
dont think it cost the game, but it was a stupid call
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by DonFrancisco on Dec 12, 2011 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
Palmer was hoping to catch them off-guard...
He ran the draw thinking it would gash them for a huge play, possibly finding the end-zone. That’s what he was thinking, but it was a bad call… the bomb on 3rd and 1 was bad, too… Jake played OUTSTANDING, but he should have gotten the ball to SOMEBODY on the last play… Easy for my fat-ass to say though…
it wouldve been nice for him to have just thrown it up
they showed each receiver and none of them were even close to being open
mariani was on the ground. one of the others was too (hawkins?). The WR in the back right was covered the whole time, but was about to lose his defender. Saints defended it well.
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by DonFrancisco on Dec 12, 2011 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
Jared Cook was streaking right and breaking free of his coverage
I was surprised Jake didn’t toss it to him and hope he pulled it in. Hindsight’s always 20/20 though…
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by TitanNDCClothing on Dec 12, 2011 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
I agree ... you could see that Cook was furious when he watched Locker get sacked
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by BythePowerofMunchak! on Dec 12, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry Don, no way THAT play was defensed well.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/tennessee-titans/09000d5d824f8a6d/GameDay-Saints-vs-Titans-highlights Go ahead go to 3:22 and see your well defense.
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I would say our coaching as a whole made this a really close game
And gave us a chance to win at the end.
That play call was horrid though. Hopefully Palmer couldn’t sleep last night thinking about it.
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Agree. It´s hard to fault them because of some missfortunes on key plays late in the game.
Overall they managed the game well and kept us in the game.
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by criollo_pcg on Dec 12, 2011 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Correction
The defensive playcalls and Locker’s ability to make something out of nothing kept us in the game.
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How great would it have been for Locker to Tebow the Saints!!
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by titansfan4ever on Dec 12, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
Locker = Tebow-lite
But in the way Coors Lite is way better than Coors Original
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by BythePowerofMunchak! on Dec 12, 2011 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
Was just about to say that
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well duh
it was more of a comparison to how Tebow sparks his team to playing better. I think Locker does the same for his guys but he just hasn’t had the opportunities to show it like Tebow has.
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by BythePowerofMunchak! on Dec 12, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
It really wasn't though on the offensive side of the ball.
All I know is the Saints had 6 points in the first half……and somehow we are not in the lead (facepalm).
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The offensive playcalling, I thought, was brilliant.
A nice screen to CJ on the first drive. 1st and a mile later on, we pick up a first down on a Ringer screen, only to have it called back because of Harris. Then when Locker went in we had some really varied offensive packages and used a lot of different routes.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 12, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
Really?
Brilliant would be getting the first on third and 1 and not going for a TD that would possibly only have us up by one point (if we fail 2 point conversion) giving the saints the ball with 2:30 to drive down the field and win. The play on third and 1 was the worst call in the entire playbook. It had no upside, because even if we score, we give the ball back to the second best QB in the game with all the time in the world, and this is not to mention the draw play that should have never been.
Come on man we put up 17 against a team that averages 35 points a game, get out of here acting like it was a well called game by palmer.
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I maintain that he called an excellent game, the only major error being the draw play.
3rd and 1 deep ball: Locker just missed the throw. He had him for the TD. That would’ve been a huge play call, and only someone trying to nitpick would complain about us scoring a long, momentum-swinging touchdown.
Also, I feel most of the blame goes to CJ, because if he had just taken one more step forward, rather than stopping and dancing, it would have been a first down.
Finally, despite the incomplete deep ball, we had a fourth down to use and certainly looked like we had the first after the plunge.
Palmer called a good game.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 12, 2011 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
As I said yesterday after the loss
CJ and Palmer stranded us. We can agree on CJ screwing up, but so did Palmer at several key moments. And the third and 1 playcall is AWFUL. Worst play in the book. Once again there is absolutely no upside to scoring against the Saints with 2:30 seconds left in the game. The Saints offense is as close to a Madden game as you can get. The proper play call is to get the first on the ground and to manufacture the TD with as little time left as possible, because without a 2 point conversion you are only up 1. The Saints can get into field goal position in thirty seconds, so you try to leave them with 2:30? No sir, terrible call.
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Wow
Are you seriously complaining about a theoretical touchdown that we had a good opportunity to score against one of the best teams in the league because we did it on 3rd down?
I would have taken a touchdown any way I could have gotten it.
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And Grams you complain all the time
so whatever mate, I am right, and Palmer and anyone who agrees with him is wrong on this one. How do I know this? Well, by looking at the scoreboard and seeing a loss in another game that we should have won.
"I can name 31 other starting running backs that would have made that play" 104.5 the zone
First off it's not a complaint but an observation.
Second my observation is not about scoring points, it is about winning and losing. The way that Palmer called the game lead directly to the loss. Once again, 17 points against a team that averages 35 is not getting it done. As well you do NOT go for the TD at that point, you get the first down and manufacture the TD with as little time as possible left for Brees. It is rather elementary.
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The way that Palmer called the game lead directly to the loss
This is not true, The way Palmer called the game kept us within a touchdown of winning. The way certain players did not execute lead directly to the loss.
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right
I’m pretty sure it wasn’t palmer that kept us in the game. I’m pretty sure it was defensive execution and Jake Locker that kept us in the game, nice try though.
"I can name 31 other starting running backs that would have made that play" 104.5 the zone
Because Palmer drew up the play where Dwill slows down in the endzone
making certain he doesn’t catch a game-winning touchdown? or dialing up CJ to drop a yard short of the first down?
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5 years and counting.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 12, 2011 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
"I am right because I say I'm right."
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 12, 2011 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
This is where the conversation ends.
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No I am right because we lost
"I can name 31 other starting running backs that would have made that play" 104.5 the zone
That is a terrible argument.
You should probably back out of this now.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 12, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
LMAO
a terrible argument really? My argument is simple, we had 2 chances to win the game, and we didn’t because of terrible play calls. How is that a terrible argument. I am right about this one, which is not something I care about or take pride in in anyway. I couldn’t care less about being right, but saying that Palmer called an excellent game is pure babbage.
"I can name 31 other starting running backs that would have made that play" 104.5 the zone
Your argument is full of holes.
You lay blame to Palmer for one or two plays, while ignoring the rest of the game. Even still, analyzing the two plays you keep rambling on about, they are not nearly as black and white as you make it sound. And to bring it all back to my initial point, you are not right because we lost the game. That is a fool’s mentality.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 12, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
How much time should there be on the clock before we try to score a touchdown?
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by gramsey712 on Dec 12, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
How bout as little time as possible before giving the ball back to arguably
THE BEST QB IN THE LEAGUE
"I can name 31 other starting running backs that would have made that play" 104.5 the zone
Is it that complicated?
"I can name 31 other starting running backs that would have made that play" 104.5 the zone
So we just dive up the middle over and over and over until we're under 30 seconds?
Why are you not hammering Johnson for “trying to score” instead of just getting the first down?
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I did, look at my SIG
"I can name 31 other starting running backs that would have made that play" 104.5 the zone
Everything in a game is reactive to the plays before it.
If CJ scores there then awesome, it was a good play, and hopefully our def stands firm. But after he is stopped for a third and inches just take the first down, use up the clock, and move into position for the game winning TD. I don’t see how any of you are arguing against me on this. We lost no?
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Because we lose does not = All Palmers fault
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No we lost because of CJ and Palmer end story.
We out played the other team once again only to have a few plays go wrong, and our top play maker forget how to make a move. This is why we lost, and I lay the blame on Palmer and CJ’s doorstep.
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You know what's annoying?
When you repeat the same thing over and over and add absolutely nothing to the conversation.
… Which is exactly what you’re doing.
[disclaimer: this poster has no idea what the hell he's talking about.]
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 12, 2011 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
So Palmer made CJ drop a yard short of the first down?
CONSPIRACY!!!!!1
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 12, 2011 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
LOL where did you even enter the argument,
you have said nothing the whole time, and the you pull the usual WRITE IN BIG WORDS TO BE FUNNY.
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by DuelDukes on Dec 12, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
When I started typing... ?
and I’ve asked good questions that you only respond with the same dribble you are typing above… sooo…?
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wasn't talking to you Pratt, but I would like to know what questions you refer to
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I know this may be hard for you, Dukes, but do this...
Scroll up.
Look at Pratt’s posts.
See the things with “?” symbols after them? Those are questions. “Questions” are things you should answer.
Do you understand or do I need to go into it deeper?
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 12, 2011 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
TWSS
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 12, 2011 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
wow what a jackass
"I can name 31 other starting running backs that would have made that play" 104.5 the zone
There are different threads going on back and forth
And I miss one question LOL and you come at me like that? Man you cats need to get off the hate
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oh boy, this should be fun...
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Fun? Oh, yeah, let's do a drinking game.
Take a shot every time Dukes misses the point. If you don’t pass out after 10 minutes, you win.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 12, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
Ha what point what that be jackass?
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hahaha you guys got me typing fast and saying ridiculous things. I shall let it go, but I'm out for a while to let everyone argue
about how awesome Palmer is and how he should get a 10 year contract for his excellent job as our OC.
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You know a thread is epic when SuperHorn gets in on it.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 12, 2011 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
And starts grammar-checkin' everyone!
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Hey Prat,
it’s ‘checking’
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I thought the second ‘t’ was just the first on in ‘trick’.
Noted.
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You thoughT wrong.
Everything I type on here is 100% planned and has purpose to it. I actually mapped out this conversation over 10 years ago… I am surprised you are just learning this now.
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by gramsey712 on Dec 12, 2011 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
pfffft!!!
It’s pretty accurate though…
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I know it's an epic thread when you say at least 3 cornball things that make me cringe
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by BythePowerofMunchak! on Dec 12, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
bahahaha
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well when I get called a fool for making a sound argument
about our inefficeny on offense and our ineptness from our coordinator, I might as well starty with the hyperbole
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YOU LOOK RIDICULOUS!!!1
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 12, 2011 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
Personal attacks.
Nice.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 12, 2011 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
who started attacking who?
I’ve had you WTF and Pratt all talking shit and I attacked you right? I don’t care if I look ridiculous, it matters not to me, but don’t act like I started this. I just made a point that Palmer is garbage in my opinion, just as is CJ and our OLine. Fix these things and we have a contender.
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Thread getting too long to know whats going on...
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You are right about D will and CJ
but it doesn’t excuse the third down call or the draw play. It also doesn’t excuse the fact we put up 17 against a team that averages 35 points a game.
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I know I am right
and we believe that Locker actually changed the play to a draw play… rookie mistake.
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As I know I am right that Palmer did not call a good game
We put up 3 whole points in the first half. If it wasn’t for our defense it would have been a blow out.
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It's a good thing we didn't score all 17 in the first half
We would have been giving a really good quarterback the ball back with the whole second half.
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by gramsey712 on Dec 12, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
jesus I swear man it is very fucking simple
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It must not be
Because you are the only one…including the coaching staff….who understands
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by gramsey712 on Dec 12, 2011 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
you don't give the ball back to the best qb in the league with over 2 minutes in the ball game by going deep. End story
If it was a swing pass or slant route that takes it to the endzone it is different, but a thirty yard fade with 2:30 to put us up by one is the essence of stupidity for our team. I am going to stop arguing now.
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We Win
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Who the football illiterate?
guess so
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Well until today I thought differently, but afterwards
yep. I wouldn’t match up with Superhorn, but you WTF and Underdog, or grams no prob.
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SuperH, WTF, GG, and FOTUD... we are all saying the same thing.
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by StPrattrick on Dec 12, 2011 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Not SuperHorn he is saying he doesn't know
but that Locker was making the right read from the defensive look. I agree with that, what I disagree with all of you about is the fact that it was a terrible call in the first place.
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That was Locker's call though
is my point. He makes that throw and Dwill makes that catch, we would not be having this conversation right now…
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Yep, the combo is still called by Palmer
but I agree that Dwill needs to do more, and locker needs to step into the throw.
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The point is though, if a combo route is dialed up for you
and you chose to run a f-ing fade route… you run a F-ING FADE ROUTE!!!!111<<<< Not a nice-jog-into-the-endzone route. Dwill came up short on that play, not Locker, not Palmer’s play call, Dwill.
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I agree with everything you said until that it's not on Palmer at all.
And my argument was never that Palmer called a terrible game because of this one play, it was more that Palmer didn’t call an amazing game and we only put up 3 points on a less than stout defense the first half, leaving our defense stranded for their amazing effort.
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Keep calling out individual people.
It only makes you look like a total dick.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 12, 2011 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
I know what you're saying man ...
but that’s how you play video game football …. not real football.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 12, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
this is a private club
that just has very low standards
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Wait... this got recced and my reply about him being defensive got deleted?
What is this I don’t even
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 13, 2011 12:03 AM CST up reply actions
Your issue is with Locker.
He elected to throw the deep ball. He even said as much in the post game presser. Coverage dictated the route, and Locker made the decision to take the risk based on the coverage.
Munch:
(on thought process before the fourth down quarterback sneak)
Well, it was a decision there it’s another thing. It’s a short drop. That’s where you want to get a first down no doubt to avoid the fourth down stress. We didn’t. Yeah, he took a chance there, he thought he had something there and went for it and didn’t get it. That put all the pressure on the fourth down play and so when you don’t make something like that, it makes you dwell more on the third down play, just like should we have challenged the spot.
Locker:
(on the decision to throw a deep pass to Damian Williams on third-and-one in the fourth quarter)
We had a route combination called and they came up and pressed him. He converted to a fade and we thought we had a chance to make a play. That was a bad throw. A little better throw and we score a touchdown and it might be a little different discussion right now.
by SuperHorn on Dec 12, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Still can't put it on the rookie
The combo was called by the coach, and his first read was D Will. Am I incorrect?
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I don't know. Nor do you.
Certain coverages dictate certain things. For instance, NO brought a corner blitz earlier in the game, and Williams was hot on a quick slant. Locker hit him for a big gain.
Best guess? This is on Locker.
Secondary is in press coverage with a single high look. Guys in the box show pre snap pressure. Locker knows he has his guy in single coverage and takes a shot. Alternatively, the guys in the slots were both running out routes. The coaching staff likely cut the field in half, and ran a two man combination here…both man beaters and gave Locker the option to throw to the open receiver. Jake doesn’t even bother with Nate in the slot, though. It’s Williams the whole way.
The real culprit here is Locker’s footwork. He threw this ball of his back foot. If he steps into this throw, it’s probably more accurate.
But the point is not to score touchdowns. At least with more than 10 seconds on the clock.
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by gramsey712 on Dec 12, 2011 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Thanks for the look Super Horn I appreciate that you took the time to clearly say your point without talking all that jazz
I still say it is on the coach for this being his first read, and for not running the ball, but at least I can feel what your saying. You are def correct that he throws the ball off his back foot, wish he could have the one back.
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So are you changing your argument?
Up top you said Palmer sucks because we would have scored too fast.
Now you are agreeing that Locker should have just made a better throw.
Which is it, Professor Football?
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Nevermind....I see the argument continuing below
It’s hard to keep track when you are arguing with us all by yourself
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Blaine Bishop just said it was a "great play call"
You play to win the game.
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That's what I always thought at least...
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by BythePowerofMunchak! on Dec 12, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
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I still say it is on the coach for this being his first read, and for not running the ball, but at least I can feel what your saying.
I think you’re misinterpreting what I’m saying.
There’s a combination route to the outside here. The combination, in this case, is that the outside receiver converts his route to a fade/go when the defense in showing press. The inside receiver is likely always going to run a quick out here. If the defense is playing soft man or cover 3, D Will may run a slant here or some shorter, underneath route.
Anyhow, the read and throw is on Locker, not Palmer. The coverage showed an opportunity and Locker took a risk.
I can understand frustration for not running it. That’s a different issue altogether. But, Locker had an opportunity to throw the out to Washington and instead elected to go for the jugular.
pfffffft!
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But this;
He converted to a fade
Dwill went for the fade and seemed to pull back when the ball seemed to be stretched out a tad farther then his stride. I think the ball was placed pretty nicely so the defender could not make a play and left Dwill to catch it in stride.
Dwill didn’t even stretch out his arms to make the catch. Dwill chose to run the fade route mid play and Locker read it correct, I think Dwill came up short on his end of that play…
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I think I should have fit more Dwill into that post to make my point stronger...
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we actually agree on something for the first time today
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this is what i've been saying the whole time...
sprinkled in with some kindle to keep the argument fire going… it’s what I do.
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OK I just don't understand how you don't feel me that it was the wrong call in the first place.
Could it have been executed better? Yes, but even if it is executed you are leaving the Saints with way to much time on the clock to come back down the field. Honestly I don’t see how anyone disagrees with this assesment.
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Could it have been executed better? Yes
Executed better, it was a touchdown.
We don’t have the luxury to decide when and how we want to score TDs, we just need TDs how ever the hell we can get them. Unfortunately that is the kind of football we are playing right now.
If we had more people executing on a consistent basis, I would agree with you…
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Because, you know, most here are in favour of scoring touchdowns.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 12, 2011 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
Right, like I acted like I didn't want us to score..
great argument WTF. No, Pratt felt my point, and now that he’s said what he’s said I agree with him as well. If our team was more consistent then the proper thing to do is to grind the clock, manufacture the TD and not leave the game on our defense. I still think it would have been the proper thing to do, but I feel what Pratt is saying that we are to young and inconsistent so you go for it when you’ve got it.
Acting like clock strategy isn’t one of the most important things in football is ignorant in my opinion, and this is all I have been trying to say about the game, that Palmer’s playcalls could have taken the clock into consideration better, therefore I don’t believe he called a great game which is where the argument originated in the first place.
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Acting like we can pick and choose whenever we feel like we're ready to score is just as ignorant.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 12, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
STFU already with your talking shit. I never said that, I said on third and one the proper thing to do is get the first down and grind the clock. When did I ever say we have full control over when we score. I was pissed off all yesterday that CJ didn’t score on the second down play, much over that he didn’t get the first and left us in this spot in the first place.
Also, the Texans beat the Falcons last week because of their OC made the exact same mistake on third and 1.
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You have repeatedly said your plan was to milk the clock, then score.
If that’s not picking and choosing when to score, well…
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 12, 2011 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
No, sir, YOU need to stfu.
Your redundant hostile arguing is VERY annoying and entirely pointless.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 12, 2011 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, we're not the Packers
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Obv. Doesn't mean there aren't much better plays.
Yes I understand that the combo route for the play was the fade on a cover one press. It doesn’t mean that it was the right play by any means.
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If he converted to a fade, he saw something there.
We don’t know what his other option was on the route. Whatever he saw worked. I see both sides of this argument but I don’t see how we can be upset over a play taht worked
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Good point.
If the play was executed properly we go up by one, hopefully 3. I think we should have gotten the first down before going deep, but it is def a point that the play was open. There is obviously limited upside to the score with 2:30 because the opposition is Drew Brees. This factored into the percentage of successful fade routes means it was a low percentage play because the best thing that can happen is the game is left on our defense. I have been trying to say the whole time.
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Re:
That play call was horrid though. Hopefully Palmer couldn’t sleep last night thinking about it.
I think Locker may have checked to that play.
by SuperHorn on Dec 12, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
there's no way Locker got any sleep last night either
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by BythePowerofMunchak! on Dec 12, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
Jimmy and I gave our thoughts on the MCM Radio reaction show, but here's the gist from me:
The draw play: Just a terrible call. If the Saints were bringing the house, or if the running game was going well it makes some since, but neither of those things were happening.
The challenge: maybe Munch should have challenged, but the odds of winning it looked pretty bad, and it’s hard to overturn a spot.
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by August West on Dec 12, 2011 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
If he had challenged, we would have lost a timeout
And would not have gotten the ball back
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All i know is we need to retool our o-line next year.
We know now that it isnt CJ that cant run. The o-line cant block against a terrible run defense like the saints is about the time its time to start thinking about making a change after this year in that catagory.
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^This
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 12, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
why did yall not agree with me when i've said this the whole season???
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To be fair I agreed with you.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 12, 2011 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
Todd Haley's been fired
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KCChiefs.com reporting Todd Haley relieved of his duties.
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Wow... that dude has had nothing go his way this season
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by StPrattrick on Dec 12, 2011 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
No kidding
Seems unfair to fire him after all the major injuries that team’s had. They’re still competitive in every game despite all of the injuries.
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Yeah, I think this was a pretty stupid move
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by StPrattrick on Dec 12, 2011 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
I could care less
The league consensus seems to be that that guy is a d**k
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by TitanNDCClothing on Dec 12, 2011 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
This is what I am learning
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by StPrattrick on Dec 12, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
Honestly I think its unfair to fire him this early, just because he's had a ton of things go wrong,
but he’s a terrible head coach.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 12, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
That's what my friend just told me, he's a Chief's fan
… I didn’t know he was doing that bad at coaching. The Chief’s were pretty terrible for a long time and he made them competitive again, or at least I thought.
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by StPrattrick on Dec 12, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
Why terrible?
Last year was very unexpected, and this year they regressed a little due to injuries.
I haven´t watched their games, but always thought he was allright.
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by criollo_pcg on Dec 12, 2011 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
Right, I mean there a lot worse coaches that have been with teams longer then he has and done less....
Oh well.
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by StPrattrick on Dec 12, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
He's a child on the sidelines.
It reflects on your team. One thing I love about Munchak is that he doesn’t react to much. I like that in a head coach. Haley goes ballistic when things go wrong, and your team is going to see that. When they see the head coach whining, it gives them an opportunity to whine as well.
I think he’s also overrated as an offensive genius. Coming from Arizona he had Fitzgerald, Boldin, Wells, Hightower and Kurt Warner to work with, and Ken Whisenhunt overseeing everything. The Chiefs are not as talented, but they still had some pieces. I’d consider his work there underwhelming.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 12, 2011 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
Haley also apparently has clashed with Pioli.
Wanted more power, I think ego definitely came into play here with both guys.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 12, 2011 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
I refer to my comment above
Most people have long recognized Haley as a prick. Having a terrible season provides you the leverage to get justifiably get rid of a guy you don’t really like in the first place…
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by TitanNDCClothing on Dec 12, 2011 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
Makes sense then
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by StPrattrick on Dec 12, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
that was fast...did he really have a chance this year?
that had really significant injuries on a team w/o much depth
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by DonFrancisco on Dec 12, 2011 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
Noob owners.
You’ve supposed to fire the coach at the END of the season.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 12, 2011 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
Todd Haley for OC!!!!!!!!!!!!VV!V!
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by BythePowerofMunchak! on Dec 12, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
When will we hear about Hass' calf injury?
I think against the hapless Colts we should put Locker out there. Get Hass healthy for a week if they want to continue with Hass in the playoffs.
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I think he's got an MRI today
so probably late in the afternoon (unless it’s terrible news, which seems to leak earlier).
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by August West on Dec 12, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Scouting Locker
Two things that stood out to me:
1. Man oh man his arm is totally insane. He flicks and that thing just GOES.
2. Accuracy problems are fixable, especially when your delivery is fundamentally ok, as seems to be the case with Locker. To me, when a young QB always goes for the safe underneath route, its cause for concern. Locker makes reads and follows his judgment. I’m so optimistic!
by PocketfullofPoseys on Dec 12, 2011 10:38 AM CST reply actions
How did you guys think Chris Hawkins did yesterday?
I thought he did pretty good for his first NFL start against one of the highest scoring offense in the league. Didn’t really see him getting picked apart and he was pretty much always with the ball when it was caught by him.
Thoughts?
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I got the same impression.
He was no weak link or anything like that.
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by criollo_pcg on Dec 12, 2011 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Yep. I thought it was a good thing that we rarely heard his name called.
I saw him out there. I don’t know if I’d say he was good, because I wasn’t paying close attention, but for a rookie to hold his own against the Saints offense is pretty impressive.
by NoMoreMustache on Dec 12, 2011 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
I didn't get to see the game...
did Brees pick on him very much?
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by titansfan4ever on Dec 12, 2011 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Not that I saw
any ball that was caught on him, he seemed like he had the closing speed to make it a minimum gain.
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by StPrattrick on Dec 12, 2011 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
Is he a hard hitter?
I know that Jerry was wanting the guys to hit harder.
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by titansfan4ever on Dec 12, 2011 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
I remember a good breakup he had on a throw to Moore.
I was thrown a litlle short, but catchable, and he broke it just when it hit Moore in the hands.
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by criollo_pcg on Dec 12, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
Oh yeah, I remember that play now.
It was a good recovery on his part, he was beat if Brees had thrown it further.
But Hawkins didn’t give up on the play after getting beat by the receiver, and then had the chance to make it up when the ball was underthrown.
exactly.
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by criollo_pcg on Dec 12, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
Also, if Hawkins even turns out to even decent (and judging by yesterday, I'd say he's at least that)...
We have to have the best overall CB group in the NFL.
by NoMoreMustache on Dec 12, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
Somehow we have the midas touch when it comes to low round CBs
this makes me happy.
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by StPrattrick on Dec 12, 2011 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
Indeed. Was Hawkins even drafted though?
by NoMoreMustache on Dec 12, 2011 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Nope. even better
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by StPrattrick on Dec 12, 2011 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
I still think we need more INT from this group.
But maybe it´s because the pass rush hasn´t been very good.
I´m just nitpicking.
I love our CBs! Best group of our defense. (unless you count McCarthy as a one man wrecking group)
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by criollo_pcg on Dec 12, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
Safety help too
But yeah our pass rush is up-and-down it seems.
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by StPrattrick on Dec 12, 2011 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
How did Colin do yesterday?
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by titansfan4ever on Dec 12, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
6 tackles. He didn't cause any turnovers or huge plays like we've come to expect
but he was still solid. From what I saw, anyway.
by NoMoreMustache on Dec 12, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Good....I was afraid Graham was going to light him up.
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by titansfan4ever on Dec 12, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
Graham was hurt. He played, but he was clearly not 100%
Had a few bad drops too.
by NoMoreMustache on Dec 12, 2011 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Graham was practically walking his routes to start the game
he had back problems yesterday I think
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Dec 12, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Eagles cbs are pretty good just saying
by charmando on Dec 12, 2011 12:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's also filled with all first round draft pick talent.
I’d say we are doing pretty well with what we’ve got.
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by StPrattrick on Dec 12, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
They're also not playing that well.
Samuel has and always will be a gambling corner. He won’t be re-signed. DRC has been crap. Nnamdi has been picked on more than usual.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 12, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
I read something on Nnamdi that he is getting really frustrated over there
basically from what I recall, he does his best work playing man-to-man… that was his bread and butter over at Oakland. Since moving to Philly, they have asked him to move all over the field, playing zone, man, blitzing, even moving into LB position on some plays. Sort of saying without saying, they brought me in here because I am really good at one thing and asking me to do something totally different.
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by StPrattrick on Dec 12, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
I'll see if I can find the link, but it was from a few weeks ago.
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by StPrattrick on Dec 12, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
The situation is a bit like Al in Washington
Switched him from DT where he was beast to a NT where he didnt do his best work. Nnamdi is a shut down the #1 man to man. Him playing zone really doesnt work. The eagles are doing it wrong but thats what happens when you make an OL coach the DC
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I swear we've had someone named Chris Hawkins on our team before...
or maybe that was Chris Davis… or Sanders or one of the 2,000 other Chris’s on the team in the past 5 years
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by BythePowerofMunchak! on Dec 12, 2011 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
Nate Washington is one of my favorite players now.
He’s a man, and he’s really stepped up this season.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Dec 12, 2011 10:55 AM CST reply actions
for real man.... might be looking into a #85 jersey
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by BythePowerofMunchak! on Dec 12, 2011 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
What the $#%#?! Peter King actually gives us credit AND praises Klug!
12. Tennessee (7-6). The most impressive loser of them all Sunday. My Lord, where did this Karl Klug come from? (From Iowa. Fifth-round rookie. Another great and underrated product from the Kirk Ferentz School of NFL Development.) Plays like the Tasmanian devil. Six sacks bounding inside and outside.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 12, 2011 11:13 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
And a little bit lower too..
I think Tennessee has more good players that we don’t know than any other team in the league.
I <3 Reinfeldt.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 12, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Seriously, one more good draft, couple of key FA signings...
And then watch out.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 12, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
And more praise from the idiot King...
I think Tennessee has more good players that we don’t know than any other team in the league.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 12, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Awkward...
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by StPrattrick on Dec 12, 2011 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe ron & Winni are......
THE SAME PERSON!!!!!
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by titansfan4ever on Dec 12, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
They're both actually Pratt
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It's true.
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by StPrattrick on Dec 12, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
that's very disappointing
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by BythePowerofMunchak! on Dec 12, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
i have not yet ... i'll check it now
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by BythePowerofMunchak! on Dec 12, 2011 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
got it
okay so I believe it was from the Tennessean somewhere in an article… my bad man .. I thought I put the source in there. it’s GEORGE WALKER IV/THE TENNESSEAN
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by BythePowerofMunchak! on Dec 12, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
def... Rusty getting his all-american-hero look on
at first it looked like a ground zero photo
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by BythePowerofMunchak! on Dec 12, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
It just screams "team" to me
As did the receivers & CJ reacting to Hasselbeck come in for the one play
And Nate sticking up for everybody on the team all the time.
I just feel like we haven’t had a “team” in forever.
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by gramsey712 on Dec 12, 2011 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
*This,
so much
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Pratt just wishes he was me.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 12, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
Oh man do I....?!
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I gotz a question
If we win out and the jets lose twice.. does that mean we’re in the playoffs? and… if we win out and the broncos lose twice.. we in?
Bronco's lead their division right now so they don't affect us
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Speaking of the Broncos, I thought this was interesting from their kicker:
“You know what’s fun about this?‘’ said Prater. "Everyone keeps saying what Tim can’t do. And he goes out every week and we win. We love the guy. He’s so real. Now we just feel like anything’s possible.’’
….And when you feel like that….you know what?…..IT IS!!!
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/12/12/Week14/index.html#ixzz1gLGSUJ2r
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by titansfan4ever on Dec 12, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
AND....they have to play the Eagles (hopefully w/Vick) & the Giants.
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by titansfan4ever on Dec 12, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
Hopefully...the Jets will get Tebowed by Vick...
if not….then by Manning.
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by titansfan4ever on Dec 12, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
We win out and Jets just lose one were in based on Conf Record (we win out itll be 8-4)
We can thank Hass for helping us get those AFC victories early against Ravens and the such
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Seriously though, yesterday... Harris... WTF?
Back-to-back penalties, forcing us to the 1st and a mile… too which Hass ended up getting hurt on. Why is he still starting?
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that 1st and 35 was ridiculous
I don’t believe I’ve seen that much derp and fail before in football.
What about that Philip Rivers fumble yesterday?
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I'm struggling to find either a gif or a youtube clip
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Right as I post it, I find one. Here ya go
"I wear tinted visor not to trick other players, but so hot girls in stands don't see me looking at them" - Alex Ovechkin
Holy wow...
that is awesome
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by StPrattrick on Dec 12, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
Are you sure that's not actually Kerry Collins in a Chargers uniform?
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by titansfan4ever on Dec 12, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
BUT HE'S STILL AN ELITE QB!!1
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 12, 2011 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
question:
If you’re starting a franchise next year, would you take Rivers or Tebow?
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 12, 2011 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
If you take Romo
do you get Michael Irvin and most ESPN commentators to explain away his meltdowns?
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Has to be a package deal.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 12, 2011 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
I'd prefer a bag of dirt over Rivers or Tebow.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 12, 2011 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
Locker.
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Rivers although my opinion on that current Denver QB should be taken with a grain of salt
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Dec 12, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
loved the confidence and poise
Locker showed on the td pass…he had CJ and open field in front but waited for Nate to get open and throw the TD
TOUCHDOWN...GUESS WHO...KENNY BRITT!
Football Outsiders hates Locker...
“Locker hit a few big passes, but he looks like the same passer he was in college. If his primary receiver is covered, the play is dead. If the primary receiver is open, he’ll probably overthrow him anyway. And if he does have a chance to make one play to win the game at the end, he’ll come up short.”
That is ridiculously harsh on a rookie QB playing in only his second game (not even a start) against the Saints, who are Superbowl contenders.
by NoMoreMustache on Dec 12, 2011 12:57 PM CST reply actions
Blatant overreaction alert:
And if he does have a chance to make one play to win the game at the end, he’ll come up short."
OH MY GOD WE’RE NEVER GOING TO WIN AGAIN11
Also regarding the primary receiver stuff: I wasn’t really paying attention to which receiver he was going to, but by the way Locker keeps his eyes down field all the time, I’m fairly certain he’s working through his progressions nicely.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 12, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe the guy that wrote that still loves Blaine Gabbert as the best QB from this draft class.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
This is amazingly ignorant.
In particular:
If his primary receiver is covered, the play is dead. If the primary receiver is open, he’ll probably overthrow him anyway.I take serious issue with this. He’s either:
a) Consuming the game via ESPN Gamecast
or
b) Watching on a 9 inch television
As I type this, I’ve just finished re watching every throw of Lockers on a 15 inch screen, and even I can clearly decipher that he’s progressing through reads on the majority of his throws. Forget the fact that good QB’s make many of their reads at the line anyways. Yet, this hack would have us believe that identifying the primary based on coverage pre snap is a problem?
What a fucking joke. This is generic verbal diarrhea that really makes me question Football Outsiders’s talent evaluation, and credibility as a whole. If writers are this explicitly wrong, it gives me serious pause as it relates to the “data” they use for DVOA from those breaking down game tape.
by SuperHorn on Dec 12, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
As I read it, I too wondered if they just looked at the stat lines and made up some garbage.
Frankly, it doesn’t sound like any of them watched the game.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 12, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
on a 15 inch screen,
Time to upgrade…
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UPGRADE
Time to dip into the MCM Emergency Upgrade fund!
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You should see the kitchen
we’ve got a Four Loco fountain next to the glass and nails fondue station.
/Thorchak-tough’d
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You mean: //Washington'd-tough'd
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by StPrattrick on Dec 12, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
+85
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 12, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
Thank you, SuperHorn, for pointing this out.
I don’t agree with their assessment, just as I thought the one from the Atlanta game was a bit too critical. I’m looking forward to your breakdown after the season. Looks like you might have plenty to evaluate him on by seasons end.
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I"ll admit
that’s the one thing stuck in the deep, dark recesses of my mind that worries me: he is a guy who didn’t win much at all in college, and hasn’t sealed the deal in his two relief appearances.
He’ll get over that hump with playing time though.
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I wouldn't be overly concerned with it.
He has a few “signature” wins he can put his name on, (USC, Oregon State) where he played well and pulled out the victory.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 12, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
true
just hared for me to remember them because Pac 10 games barely get noticed in SEC country.
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He turned the Huskies into competitive his last season there and brought them to a bowl game
The last 2 games he has come in for we were behind by at least 2 scores in both, so he didn’t lose it for us… just not enough time to fix our previous mistakes
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Don't worry...
FO is just using the “TJ Standard”. Comparing a 5th rounder with the 8th overall pick is entirely unfair. Damn FO and their statistical analysis.
I think he's talking about TJ Yates?
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lol @ Texans fans inventing a phrase for their QB a few weeks into his starts
GTFO and go back to BRB.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 12, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
their interpretations of read progression
is not statistical.
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or better yet:
FO’s comments on Locker’s read progressions is neither statistical, nor analytical.
Discuss.
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It's garbage.
Football Outsiders has no doubt done some excellent things in breaking down the way we interpret football. Given their success in the past, writers are immediately given credibility that, for instance, Bleacher Report writers wouldn’t receive. Many intelligent football fans will use these Audibles at the Line as a resource for information on what’s going on around the league in the games they can’t watch in their entirety.
In this sense, it’s frustrating to see a historically well written, analytical website allow such garbage to be published. I could teach a 10 year old what to look for in the way of identifying progression through reads. It’s as simple as tracking the QB’s head/eyes. Really, there are some X’s and O’s things that can make football complicated, but this isn’t one of them. Any common football fan, if they were so inclined, is able to tell if a QB is getting through multiple reads.
So the fact that this clown can’t identify something that’s so explicitly clear is particularly frustrating.
Bleacher Report writers wouldn’t receive.
Hal writes for Bleacher Report though… it’s all starting to make sense…
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 12, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
Their comments on Locker's read progressions aren't statistical
but they ARE analytical
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 12, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
Wow.
I just lost a little respect for their analysis, if that’s the conclusion they came to.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Dec 12, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
Brees on the Titans after the game:
We just kept fighting and won a good game on the road against a good team.
Hear that guys? A good team.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 12, 2011 2:15 PM CST reply actions
What's he supposed to say?
We won against a mediocre team?
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by Aditya T (smashville) on Dec 12, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
He had nothing but good things to say about our team after the game.
Especially Locker.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 12, 2011 11:51 PM CST up reply actions
All the talk about that terrible CJ run on 2nd down.
But the Saints actually gave us a present by throwing on their drive (almost intercepted by Casey) and therefore stopping the clock. Just sayin´
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
Dolphins fire Sporano
Not exactly unexpected but the timing seems strange since they’d been playing well the last month or so (apart from yesterday)
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Interesting.
I think Ross goes after one of the big name HCs.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 12, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
Geez D-day for coaches... mid-season, pretty odd.
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they fired him for winning just enough to keep them out of Barkley and RG3
"I really can't stand that NFL guy, what's his name? Mel, yeah Mel Kiper Jr. He knows about as much about football as a Japanese space pilot." - Coach Trickett FSU
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Datsyuk, He could deke Victoria out of her secret… He’s THE MAN. posted by Josh Howard on Winging it in Motown 10/13/11
Titans DE Dave Ball on Blount: "It’s like trying to tackle a greased up, naked guy in the shower" 11/27/11
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Dec 12, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
surely Chris Palmer can't be a titans much longer
The draw play is inexcusable. that play will be his doom
... derp?
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What the...?
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Haven't you heard?
If you say “Derp” it means you’re a Palmer apologist. /living-in-change’s-world
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The future is bright for this Titans squad.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 12, 2011 11:55 PM CST up reply actions
You is idiot.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 12, 2011 11:56 PM CST up reply actions
Britt >>> Nicks
oh no, change is going after me now lol
"I really can't stand that NFL guy, what's his name? Mel, yeah Mel Kiper Jr. He knows about as much about football as a Japanese space pilot." - Coach Trickett FSU
ronburgundy banned by BBS for making comments on MCM, Champion of the People, I bow down in awe
Datsyuk, He could deke Victoria out of her secret… He’s THE MAN. posted by Josh Howard on Winging it in Motown 10/13/11
Titans DE Dave Ball on Blount: "It’s like trying to tackle a greased up, naked guy in the shower" 11/27/11
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Dec 12, 2011 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
Britt's got more upside though I think
"I wear tinted visor not to trick other players, but so hot girls in stands don't see me looking at them" - Alex Ovechkin
Britt is a player who relied solely on his size, athleticism, and speed.
Can he regain his form? that is yet to be determined. Overall its a scary situation.
Yeah the ACL injury definitely worries me
He’s a freak athlete though and if anyone can come back as strong it’s him
"I wear tinted visor not to trick other players, but so hot girls in stands don't see me looking at them" - Alex Ovechkin
ELItesha Manning >>> Vunce + Kerry, enough said
"I really can't stand that NFL guy, what's his name? Mel, yeah Mel Kiper Jr. He knows about as much about football as a Japanese space pilot." - Coach Trickett FSU
ronburgundy banned by BBS for making comments on MCM, Champion of the People, I bow down in awe
Datsyuk, He could deke Victoria out of her secret… He’s THE MAN. posted by Josh Howard on Winging it in Motown 10/13/11
Titans DE Dave Ball on Blount: "It’s like trying to tackle a greased up, naked guy in the shower" 11/27/11
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Dec 12, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
Nicks' QBs during his career: Eli Manning
Britt’s QBs during his career: Vince Young, Kerry Collins, Rusty Smith
Your argument is still fail.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Dec 12, 2011 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
We should just trade for the entire Giants organization.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 12, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
huh?
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we had a post on it
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that was last week.
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Here ya go fellas
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Signs pointing to Jake Locker getting his first NFL start Sunday in Indy as Matt Hasselbeck may need week to test injured calf
"I wear tinted visor not to trick other players, but so hot girls in stands don't see me looking at them" - Alex Ovechkin
A healthy Hasselbeck > Locker (right now), you're nuts if you think otherwise...
I’ll take the 10+ year vet who got us to 7 wins over the rookie who ‘almost’ won 2 any day. Almost only counts in horse shoes & hand grenades. When the chips were down against Tampa Bay, the savvy vet came through. When the chips were down against New Orleans, well, you saw what happened… Matt Hasselbeck has done a lot for this 2011 Titans team, he doesn’t deserve to lose his job to injury in the thick of a playoff race…
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