Bengals 24 Titans 17: Grading the Defense
by Jimmy on Nov 7, 2011 12:00 AM CST
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PrintThis defense looks pretty much the same as it did last year. Jerry Gray is a better coordinator than Chuck Cecil, but the results look pretty much the same. The front gets pushed around, can't get pressure and no one guards the middle of the field.
They were OK against the run today. The longest run they gave up was 16 yards to Cedric Benson, and the Bengals finished the day with 109 yards on 30 carries. That is just a maah performance.
Grade: C
The pass defense has Cortland Finnegan who makes plays, but that is all. They did not have an answer for A.J. Green all day, and the middle of the field was the wide open gaping hole it has been for the last two years. Andy Dalton is a good player, but he is a rookie. The Titans should be able to keep him from throwing three touchdown passes the first time he ever faces them.
Grade: D
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Not actually surprised at our defense's perfomance against Dalton.
The way we made McCown look good in Week 1 is the same way we made Dalton look good today.
Our linebackers cannot cover, and we’re asking too much of our cornerbacks at this point.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Nov 7, 2011 12:13 AM CST reply actions
How do we lose again....
A team with 1 offensive weapon!
I wonder
If we should have let finnegan do some bump and run on green….maybe let finny get in his grill some?
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by zero defects on Nov 7, 2011 8:36 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Well, let's give Cincy some credit.
They had a A+ draft with Dalton, Green, Dunlap…and they’re all contributing. But our D is going to have come together and have each others backs and do a better job on containment. We can’t expect our O to outscore everyone, we just don’t have enough weapons to do that.
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Definitely.
My old roommate is a Cincy fan, and when they snatched up AJ Green and Dalton, he wasn’t too happy with Dalton, but I assured him that they had just put together one hell of a draft.
I wish yesterday hadn’t proved me right…
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Nov 7, 2011 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
You & me both, TT...:-(
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by titansfan4ever on Nov 7, 2011 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
Our D didn't play like the best in the league
But they sure as hell don’t deserve the blame for this loss. I don’t get how Hass is getting protected from his share of the blame while our D and WRs bear the brunt of it. Move the chains even once in the second half and maybe our D has something to work with. How deflating must it be to get your offense the ball and then take the field a minute later! I’d hate to have to play D for this bunch of inept offensive players.
Take away a questionable PI and a fumble and the D likely yields only 14pts. They have shortcomings but with a half decent offense they’d be more than adequate.
What's our record?
3 and 3
How'd we ever win 3?
That's a good point, Antiguan.
Something I learned a long time ago when I played (and NO comments here from gramsey about just HOW long ago that was) is that you win as a team…and you lose as a team. There is obviously room for improvement on BOTH sides of the ball.
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by titansfan4ever on Nov 7, 2011 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
I agree that the D might be getting beat up a little too much for this loss.
But they did look absolutely terrible on the handful of scoring drives the Bengals had. However, aside from the ~3 TD drives, they looked pretty good. They held them to just over 300 yards of total offense. The Titans had more yards on fewer plays, and we’re not all that pleased with how the offense played. You don’t like to see one WR basically dismantle your defense on a few drives, but other than that, the defense was okay. Not great, but okay.
I think the offense does shoulder a large part of the blame for this loss for how they played in the 2nd half. I don’t think Hass deserves to get beat up, though. He wasn’t great, but he had no weapons. It seemed like everyone got hurt. If Lavelle Hawkins is leading the team in catches, there are problems. We got the running game going early, which was nice, but it fell off and we got away from it in the second half.
I think if you want to blame this loss on anything, you blame it on the fact that right now, Cincinnati has a play maker, and we don’t.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Nov 7, 2011 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
I always see myself as a bit of a defensive guy first
And it was a large part of the reason I first became a fan of this team. So I always get defensive (no pun intended) of the guys on that side of the ball. That being said, as titansfan4ever said you win and lose as a team. And the team just didn’t play well enough yesterday to win. Its frustrating because the game felt so winnable, but they made the plays when it mattered and we didn’t.
What's our record?
3 and 3
How'd we ever win 3?
by AntiguanTitan on Nov 7, 2011 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
"The Titans talked a lot about their lack of plays while defending their alleged playmakers."
This basically explains our team in its entirety. We don’t have anyone on either side of the ball who can help take over a game, and if they are there… they are being overshadowed by everyone else sucktitude.
Smith said it well yesterday;
"When you’re up by 10, there is no reason why you should lose a game. … The coach put us in position to make plays and we didn’t make plays."
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Yeah, that guy you're referring to is Mr. Britt.
And with every game, it’s becoming more & more obvious just how much we miss him.
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by titansfan4ever on Nov 7, 2011 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
Yes Mr. Britt, or CJ, or Cook, or anyone who could step up for us...
but also on defense. We need people to step up on both sides of the ball
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Preach it, Saint!!
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by titansfan4ever on Nov 7, 2011 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
That pass interference was not questionable at all
What is questionable is how any foul can ever give a team a 45 yard penalty.
I hate that more than anything else in sports
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Agreed; receivers don't even have to catch the ball anymore, they can just PI down the field then getting a PI Touchdown! with a PI Field Goal!
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Fair enough
As it is in the rulebook it was called right. But like you said, that a team can get 45yds for running into a defender that wasn’t even between the WR and the ball is ridiculous. The fact that the game has rules like that only adds credence to my defense of the defense.
What's our record?
3 and 3
How'd we ever win 3?
by AntiguanTitan on Nov 7, 2011 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
Dalton and Green def. drew that play and Green did some damn fine acting like he was going up for that ball
The ball wasn’t even going to be able to be caught up Green either… terrible
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What's our record?
3 and 3
How'd we ever win 3?
by AntiguanTitan on Nov 7, 2011 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
What where's my image?
How do you puts an image on this site??
What's our record?
3 and 3
How'd we ever win 3?
by AntiguanTitan on Nov 7, 2011 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
n00b!!!!!11
kidding. did you click the image button?
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Lets give this another try
What's our record?
3 and 3
How'd we ever win 3?
by AntiguanTitan on Nov 7, 2011 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
So turrible
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Just finished the game in it's entirety.
Barrett Ruud. My gawd. How is this guy still on the roster?
Maybe just a lack of anyone else to replace him with?
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by titansfan4ever on Nov 7, 2011 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
I am hoping to goodness it's just because McCarthy is not healthy
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better question
why was ruud so highly regarded in TB, yet now is total suck?
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i was just checking around
when we picked him up plenty of TB fans on the SB nation site were unhappy about him leaving, though it certainly wasn’t unanimous. maybe his true skill is his smarts and being the “qb of the defense” and he just hasn’t been here long enough to get to that level mentally, so he’s just left with his sub par physical skills.
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Yeah, maybe so.
The folks at Pro Football Focus skewed my opinion a bit. They had him rated as an awful defender, especially in run support.
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by StPrattrick on Nov 7, 2011 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Wouldn't our FO have known this?....REALLY??
While some Titan fans may bemoan Tulloch’s coverage skills, they’re likely to bemoan the inability of Ruud to shed blocks even more. Ruud had our lowest grade of all middle linebackers in run defense, and was just as bad when he blitzed. He’s not terrible in coverage, but that’s not the point. It’s that seeing him when a lineman gets their hands on him will make Titans long for Tulloch’s play.
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by titansfan4ever on Nov 7, 2011 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
In the FO defense... it wasn't like there was a lot out there to pick from
and Tampa’s defense made him look a lot better then he was.
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Just my opinion....
Jerry Gray likes dropping the MLB into deep middle zones similar to a Tampa 2 defense. There were slim pickings for that specific type of player, and Ruud may have been the only one that fit the bill.
To Ruud’s credit, he’s decent in getting into drops. He just can’t cover any one and/or is out of position when he gets there.
OK, well let's look at who we DO have.
Amato…Ayers…Bailey…McCarthey…McRath…Shaw…and Witherspoon. Who would you use to switch him out with?
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by titansfan4ever on Nov 7, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
Are they both healthy?
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by titansfan4ever on Nov 7, 2011 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
I never want to see McRath on the field, ever again.
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At LB?
no
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McCarthy; he came out of college highly rated MLB
he’s just always injured it seems.
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So, Ayers & Spoon are starting on the outside, right?
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by titansfan4ever on Nov 7, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
So what about Bailey or Shaw?
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by titansfan4ever on Nov 7, 2011 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
Solid ST'ers, they are pretty bad as LB'ers
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Worse than Ruud?
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by titansfan4ever on Nov 7, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
I'm pretty he's not deaf, dumb or blind.
I’d take a deaf, dumb and blind rookie over this hack.
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by titansfan4ever on Nov 7, 2011 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
well... at least they can tackle!
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Well NOW...we're getting somewhere.
Take Ruud out, put one of these guys in. Now, how do we fix our WR & OL problems?
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by titansfan4ever on Nov 7, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Lost cause.
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I think I've actually mailed it in for this season, in my head at least.
After giving up a 10 point lead to a team we beat in the first half of the game, I think that was it for me.
I just want to end on a high note and not give up. Learn what we have in our players. Try some new things. Get CJs confidence back. and come away with no serious injuries.
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But wouldn't you agree that it's time to make some adjustments?
We can’t just keeping doing the same thing…it’s like running your head into a brick wall…over…and over…and over…well, you know.
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by titansfan4ever on Nov 7, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
I think it's time to make SOME adjustments
but we’ve had so many things go wrong out of our control this season… as far as offense goes our gameplan for the year went out the window with Britt was injured and with CJs struggles.
I am not willing to quit the rest of the season, but I do want to shake some things up.
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Good point hal.
I was just thinking that maybe what’s wrong with our team is that they’re thinking too much. Maybe they should just play…just have fun (after all, it IS a game, right?)…and play. Don’t try to break it down scientifically in their minds. Just loosen up and JUST PLAY!! Do you think I’m thinking about this too much?
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by titansfan4ever on Nov 7, 2011 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
maybe his true skill is his smarts and being the "qb of the defense"
This is what I remember reading about him as we picked him up… toward the beginning of the season it seemed like there was a smarter presents out there and our players were in better position more, now… not so much.
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Maybe he should stop bothering with the positional placement of his team mates and focus on his own.
Hey! At least we know who ever we put in there could not possibly be any worse...
right…. i mean, right?… hopefully?!
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Although FA is not quite the crap shoot that the draft normally is....
evidently…there is still some risk involved.
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by titansfan4ever on Nov 7, 2011 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
EVERY TIME
There was a play over the middle you would hear is name. ’Dalton sneaks it in between Rudd and
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How'd we ever win 3?
by AntiguanTitan on Nov 7, 2011 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
Hey! At least our QB isn't this guy:
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by StPrattrick on Nov 7, 2011 10:09 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
What in the HELL was he doing lined up out there in the 1st place?
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by titansfan4ever on Nov 7, 2011 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
Dumb-ass wildcat play haha
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More like a frightened little pussy cat play.
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by StPrattrick on Nov 7, 2011 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
i'm going with 80/20 split on who deserves the blame
its like whenever the D has anyone on the ropes they let them off the hook on the next play. its madening.
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by stetix01 on Nov 7, 2011 10:15 AM CST reply actions
Sounds like my insurance policy.
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by titansfan4ever on Nov 7, 2011 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
Jimmy
I think it can be argued that Jerry Gray and Chuck Cecil aren’t much different. Not sure I would step out on the limb and say Gray is better then Cecil.
When I hear gray talk about the defense
it sounds like he knows something about what he’s talking about. The more I heard Cecil talk, the less confident I felt. Not a good basis for a conclusion, I know, but I’m willing to wait till he’s had a full off-season before I punch my patience card.
4th or 5th
This is Grays 4th or 5th season as a D- Coordinator.
He had highly ranked defense in Buffalo for two years, but those two years were under first time head coach Greg Williams who inherited the team from Wade Phillips (I.E. the guy who now has the #1 defense under his control in houston).
Those highly ranked buffalo teams have the same M.O. these titans have displayed. They look great and unbeatable for 2 to 3 qts. then just fall apart (I.E. get out coached and or out schemed as the game goes on)
What’s different this time? No D-coordintor experience above him (Williams)
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Offense: Yes, injuries have plagued our entire team. Once Jake is in charge behind center & Britt recovers next year, then the offense will almost be complete (minus a few more lineman). I wish they would either give Javon or Chris, more carries than the other. I understand we should go back and forth to keep the other side on their feet. But when their carries are almost even each week & we still lose with our pass-happy offense, it’s constantly annoying. Perhaps try giving Javon Ringer 20+ carries for one week & see if our prior feature RB would like to start making breakout runs! Start Locker now or just lose the rest of the games with Matt for our 2012 Draft Pick Below.
Defense: Ruud is probably the worst LB addition in TEN History. There is a reason why any team, especially TB, would not resign a player! I warned everyone BEFORE THE SEASON; our Secondary would be our demise. We all knew our LB core was weak but there was still holes in the secondary as it shows now. I didn’t see anyone trying to cover A.J. Green last week. I will keep blaming our entire secondary until our team begins to draft CB, SS, CB, LB in our next draft for the first four rounds. But I’m sure i will receive OL, WR, TE in our next draft…Stupid M.R.!!!
When someone starts off their comment with an all caps "I WARNED ALL OF YOU ABOUT THIS"...
Then normally that comment is just someone in dire need of attention.
What are you looking for, some recognition for warning us of our secondary being our demise, even though clearly our linebacking core is our demise right now?
You must have waited all season just to say this after a tough loss.
RIP Dinger
by fanoftheunderdogs on Nov 7, 2011 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
Our cornerbacks are our best position group
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