Film Breakdown: 2010 CJ vs. Indy
Even after a win over a division rival, it's still clear today that the run game is broken. Against arguably the worst run defense in the league, our star running back couldn't muster up more than 3 yards per carry. The question is why? And, that's a difficult one to answer. With so many moving parts on every given play, it's hard to peg it just on one person. I can tell you, it's not just one person, or even one unit. For the purpose of this breakdown, though, we'll just be examining Johnson's performance from 2010 against Indianapolis.
I went back and compared this year's Colts game to last year's. It's not an apples to apples comparison, of course. If anything, it should have been easier to run the ball this year, as Indy has struggled more against the run. I'll do my best to show what's happening with the assistance of some pictures. But, most of the time speed isn't accurately represented with the confines of a picture. That's the thing that really struck me, though. Chris Johnson was running at a different speed last year. Not only top end speed, but also his acceleration and cuts.
For today, I'll break down just two plays from last year. Although it is a small sample size, my hope is that it can help illustrate some of the differences between our run game this year and last.
So, onward through the jump for still shots of better times in our run game.
Play #1
Titans are in "12" personnel. 7 guys in the box.
This appears to be an inside zone play gone back. That is, I don't believe this is a designed cutback. Initially, there's a small crease inside, but that closes quickly. You can see the safety now entering the play.
The safety is now one on one with CJ in the heart of the play as Johnson cuts back. 9 out of 10 we've seen Johnson get tackled in these situations this year. In this play, however, it's a different outcome.
In the middle of a sea of defenders, CJ gives a quick shake and is off to the races. CJ begins running horizontally as the other safety (out of the screen, in front of Kenny) is bearing down on the play.
Johnson uses his uncanny speed to elude not one, but two more defenders and get to the sideline.
Once to the sideline, he quickly picks up another 15 or so yards.
Play #2
Titans are in "21" personnel with Cook in the slot. Colts have 6 guys in the box.
Safety drops down in run support. From just this shot, I would have wagered this wouldn't be a successful play. Yet, CJ wows us in a way that reminds us of better times by making defenders miss at speeds unrivaled by any other NFL running back.
Again, this isn't anything other than Chris Johnson just being on a different level than the opposition. He makes two defenders miss here.
He's now full speed, and cuts at full speed. Defender fail #3.
Defender fail #4.
Defender fail #5. And, finally CJ is brought down after a 37 yard gain.
You look at both of these plays, and it's CJ's athleticism that really jumps out at the viewer. It's not the O-line, which is, admittedly better. But, that's not the "X-Factor" here. These big plays, and many other ~5 yard pickups throughout the game, aren't a result of decidedly superior run blocking. It's more Cj being decisive in the hole and running at a different speed than every other player on the field.
Johnson isn't the only one shouldering the blame this season. The O-line has played piss poor. But, the reason you make a guy one of the highest paid running backs in NFL history is that he can make plays in spite of these deficiencies. He did that last year, and he certainly did it 2009. I don't believe that all of Johnson's athleticism just vanished in one offseason. It just seems that he's timid this year. To use the old cliche, he's not "running hungry." I don't know how to fix this. It almost appears to be more mental than anything else, and he's clearly getting frustrated. My suggestion would be for Johnson to put on some game tapes from the glory days and contrast them to 2011. I'm certain he'd see the difference.
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CJ is being held down by all that extra change he has in his pockets.
I’m going to say it and keep saying it. He has no drive now that he got his MONEY. He is set for life so he could careless about his play. He was playing hard to get his big payday and not that he got it he is just out there going through the motion.
Hey SH wish you could break down a play from last week where CJ and Ringer run about the same play against the same personal on D. I think people will finally see that Ringer is better now and until CJ decides he wants to play hard again.
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by Titans_Firefighter on Nov 1, 2011 12:08 PM CDT reply actions
ok cool. Thanks for doing these.
I dont even know if there is a play where is happens but can only hope.
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by Titans_Firefighter on Nov 1, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
and im going to continue to say that's a load of bs.
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by TitansJonne on Nov 1, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Regardless of WHY it's happening
I hope that we can all finally agree that it IS happening.
I can’t pretend that I can look at CJ and tell whether he’s:
a) running fat and happy because of his contract, or
b) running hesitant b/c he’s being hit behind the line so often, or
c) running distracted b/c he’s over-thinking everything because of all the focus, or
d) running slow because he’s hurt, burned out, or still out of game shape
But none of those really matter anymore b/c he’s definitely NOT running like the CJ we’ve all grown to know and love. It’s like there’s another guy wearing #28 on his back, and it’s ugly.
Barnwell had a witty line on Grantland today. He called CJ “The human manifestation of buyer’s remorse” — I don’t like it, but I can at least laugh at it. Something I can’t do when I watch his running plays.
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^This.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Nov 1, 2011 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
These were some creative plays. Dinger had some really nie ideas
Now what do we do? Stretch plays and dives. Ive seen CJ hit that gear. His 21 yd burst and 25yd burst against pitts showed that the speed is definitely there.
So what were seeing is a mix of predictable run calls by palmer, poor oline play, and CJ not trusting his oline.
So yea he’s part of the problem. But he can’t get going until the Oline gets fixed, and palmer learns a new trick.
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Dinger was very creative with CJ.
He’s counters mainly were a big deal. Faking a dive and switching to counter got CJ into space many times.
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I can't speak to those specifically, but, at least in this game, that's anecdotal.
Playcalling was nearly identical to the game this previous Sunday. The two plays shown above were his biggest of the game.
your taking it as if im saying Dinger was better
Im saying Dinger at least mixed different runs in compared to what we do now. His problem is we do those runs TOO much. Palmers is that we don’t do them at all. Palmer is a passing coach. He is fit for passing teams. So if this is how he plans to call games. I just don’t see us being that team we used to be. Which isn’t a bad thing.
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your not getting it. Im talking about Dinger as a whole compared to palmer
he was more creative and called different runs.
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We're you watching the same Dinger-playcalling that we were all watching last year?
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the one who would use counters, pitches, dive and draws all in one game
compared to what were doing now? Yea i did. We did those runs too often. But the fact is we did them. This year. Run up the gut. Stretch. Throw to the flats. In that order
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I actually saw all of those in the previous game... ?
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Specifically off the top of my head without having the film infront of me;
- Washington scored on a pitch play in the endzone
- There was a draw play that turned into a mess on 3rd down with 4 yards to go that was to Ringer, but was swallowed up behind the line.
- A counter in the 2st quarter where CJ kept running looking for somewhere to turn up field, but got chased off the field into the Colts sideline a yard behind the line of scrimmage
and that’s just from what I remember.
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Hey man, you asked for the play call. It's there.
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*2nd quarter
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Me too.
Jonne, I mean this in the nicest way. You should seriously consider going back and charting CJ’s runs from the past two games and the play types. The runs don’t look creative because CJ’s broken. I can assure you though, he’s getting the same kind of play calling.
Jonne is it bad enough that your on the Hawk train, who was out played by Williams.
But dont add to it by being on the “Its Not CJ’s Fault” train.
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by Titans_Firefighter on Nov 1, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
First off CAW CAW!
But seriously, i have not said it’s the Olines fault. I said it’s a mix of CJ the Oline and playcalling. And i stand by it.
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Then explain why Ringer was able to get more yards rushing than CJ?
Same Oline, Same Playcalling, Different Back.
CJ is the problem and 90% of it.
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by Titans_Firefighter on Nov 1, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Ive stated before. the defense won't necessarily change there playcalls
but they do change there foucs when Ringer is in. That’s the way i see it. No need to even get into that because it’s a lost argument. It’s opinion based.
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SuperH showed us yesterday that both of them faced pretty much the same defensive fronts on the Colts game
Soooo….I went back and looked at the fronts that both Ringer and CJ ran into.
Ringer:
7 men or less: 6 rushes
8 men or more: 8 rushes
CJ:
7 men or less: 4 rushes
8 men or more: 9 rushes
I missed one rush from CJ.
Anyhow, the disparity isn’t nearly as large as apologists would have you believe. And, if that last carry is against 7 men, it’s almost equal.
Let me also add that the tendency is to only look at YPC when evaluating backs. Also look at receptions.
Ringer: 5 rec, 42 yards, 8.4 YPR
CJ: 3 rec, 17 yards, 5.7 YPR
Total touches:
Ringer: 20 touches, 102 yards, 5.1 YPT
CJ: 17 touches, 51 yards, 3 YPT
It’s just one game, but any objective viewer can see that Ringer outplayed Johnson yesterday.
So as far as that game, you can’t really use that excuse anymore.
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i said the looks are no different. On those plays.
Did the defense drop back or did they crash the line of scrimmage?
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They were treated essentially the same way.
And, let’s also point out that Ringer got the lion’s share of his yards against 8 man fronts at the end of the 4th quarter when the Colts were selling out the run.
why did they sell out the run?
Didn’t we throw the ball quite a bit in the 4th when we only had a 10 pt lead?
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Because they are the worst defense in the league...
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i dont think the D care about CJ anymore.
They are probably trying to stop Hasselbeck because if they stop him then they stop the Titans. Period End of Story.
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by Titans_Firefighter on Nov 1, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.
CJ’s not shown anyone any reason to fear him this season. Just focus on stopping the pass.
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Yep, CJ cant run like old, Ringer runs like an average back.
all we got is a GOOD QB that has crap for WRs, now that Britt is out.
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by Titans_Firefighter on Nov 1, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
He's shown me plenty to fear
But that’s probably not what you’re talking about.
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then why do we get to see so many 8-men fronts?
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
We see 8 man fronts on what would be considered running downs.
Also Ringer saw the same number of 8 man fronts as CJ.
Also I’m you think i’m selling out for the Run and you switch plays to a pass and boom you just did what we wanted and you can get a TO.
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by Titans_Firefighter on Nov 1, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
the last paragraph made no sense to me..
but what I meant is that we still see too many 8-men fronts (both CJ and Ringer). Why is that? Is our passing game that bad? Our play calling too predictable?
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
Both.
Since we lost Britt no WR has stepped up to make the D fear them and our play call can be predictable at times by the formations that the O comes out. Look we are going into the 8 game of the season, the teams have plenty of film on the Titans and what kinds of plays they run with those formations.
As for that last thing, the D is going to show a look in hopes to confuse the O into a mistake. If I roll a safety down in the box you may think that you have an easy one-on-one on the outside to that side. So the O changes the play and goes for it but that safety drops back and ends up picking it off.
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by Titans_Firefighter on Nov 1, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, i agree.
The beggining of the year brought me high hopes in terms of creative playcalling. Superhorn´s first few video reviews had Cook split wide and so on.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
So is that the direction the CJ supporters are heading now that Ringer had success, it's all the play-callers fault?
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I´m all for giving Ringer his chances, BUT..
one thing is clear to me: he did not have “success”!!
He just had more than CJ, and that isn´t saying much these days.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
Average back playing average = success for our team right now
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I´m not ready to give up just yet.
Average production will lead us to 7 or 8 wins maybe.
Obviously terrible production (CJ up until now) will not give us that many wins.
But with CJ you can always hope he gets back to his own self. I have no such hopes for Ringer because I see his potential as being that average back we mentioned.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
CJ you can always hope he gets back to his own self.
I hope we aren’t willing to wait around for him to find his wheels again in game-time situations.
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That´s why I would be ok with a split in carries, but not benching the guy just yet.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
I think outright benching him is pretty ridiculous
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Not going to argue
but I also think his running up to this point has been pretty ridiculous.
Letting him even split carries is generous. The only reason for it is because of what he’s DONE, and what he MIGHT do. He’s shown no reason (this year) that he’s worth even that many carries.
That said, I’m happy with the split-the-carries-ride-the-hot-hand strategy. Hopefully he’ll flip some invisible switch, gain crazy yards, and we can all complain about how Ringer is getting too many snaps.
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He shouldn't be splitting carries.
Ringer deserves the majority of the carries with Johnson getting the spot duty. We can’t afford to waste more valuable game time. Ideally, I’d give Ringer 18-22 touches a game, CJ 8-12.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 1, 2011 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I could agree with that
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We should be utilizing him more in the passing game and getting creative with that
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I agree with that
But I’m not too optimistic about that happening. In the same way that CJ probably would have started running better by now if he was going to this season, the coaching staff would have gotten creative with playcalling if they were going to.
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So the definition of "CJ supporter" is somebody that acknowledges there are other reasons our run game isn't working?
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Nov 1, 2011 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions
No, its the people that are looking past what CJ has shown us and thinking he will return to form anytime soon
because he won’t
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Then are you thinking that the trouble is physical?
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If it is he needs to say something
but still the vision and decision making is not there.
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So you have future-seeing powers?
Must be the power of a saint.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Nov 2, 2011 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes. duh! I was sent here by the internet
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Doesn't really matter what type of plays are called if CJ can't see the hole?
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It's not even that, necessarily.
Both of these plays are essentially broken. That is, they could have easily gone for a loss or no gain. If this happened today, it’d be all the O-line’s fault. Yet, this happens last year and it goes for two of the biggest gains of the game.
Plays like this are why we paid CJ top dollar. He’s supposed to make something out of nothing. If all he can get is what’s given to him, there’s no sense in overpaying for a running back.
Plays like this are why we paid CJ top dollar. He’s supposed to make something out of nothing. If all he can get is what’s given to him, there’s no sense in overpaying for a running back.
I agree with all of this. Why are we paying above top-dollar for a running back of this caliber?
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We're paying him for what he did in the past.
I say…PLAY THE HUNGRY GUY (used to be CJ…says as tear rolls down my cheek)
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by titansfan4ever on Nov 1, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
There, there, tf4e
There, there.
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In these two shots. CJ hasn't faced these same situations.
He’s mainly getting hit in the backfield by more than one guy, unable to even get his speed up to make a guy miss. Post 1 showed him win a 1 on 1. I saw that on Sunday. and post 2 was a cutback.
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CJ has gotten 1 on 1 and been tackled by that guy.
CJ has been caught from BEHIND by a DL player.
CJ doesnt have the burst like old, thats what made him him. You thought you had an angle and oops he hit a gear and make you miss, well he doesnt have it anymore.
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by Titans_Firefighter on Nov 1, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Rbs, are patient by design.
i’ve seen Cj get tackled behind the LOS from a DL that destroyed amano, harris, and scott.
as well as when he has cut back across the field because the O-line seem to love to listen to and dance to the song, “back that thing up”
unable to even get his speed up to make a guy miss.
He never needed a pre-determined amount of yards to ‘get up to speed’ before. His mutant ability before was he could get up to full speed at the drop of a dime… it’s just not there now.
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your making it as if CJ just hits that gear before the play begins. Are we starting
to get a bit carried away? CJ in the past did not continuously face defenders in the backfield like he does now.
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I count 3 defenders there 3-4 yards behind the line of scrimmage and CJ has plenty of space on them… why is it any different now?
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Yeah....AND....just like now....
there’s 2 O-Lmen who have become spectators.
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Correction: THREE O-Lmen.....:-(
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One was taking a nap on the groud
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Probably had too big of a pre-game meal.
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by titansfan4ever on Nov 1, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
thats 1 O-lineman, bo scaife
and kenny britt took out those 3 colts defenders
watch that game highlight
on this play specifically
CJ had more space to begin with and was able to get to the corner. Normally what we see is CJ head up the middle then gets hit by 2 guys.
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I have seen plenty of counters/stretch plays where CJ is taking too long to turn up field
or trying to make a big play when it’s not there at all, only to get tackled behind the line of scrimmage.
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In that frame, yes.
But, they could have taken a better angle. It was really that they misjudged CJ’s speed to the edge. Something we saw often in seasons past.
Alright.
1: The defender closest to CJ is being knocked off balance by the other idiot defender running into him.
2: The third defender is far away from CJ and has those other two clumsy defenders between him and CJ, meaning he can’t get to him.
Result: Big gain because there’s nobody to actually challenge CJ on the edge for at least another 10 yards.
This year? Those 4-5 defenders you see being jammed up at the line? They’re all chasing after CJ also.
That’s how it’s any different now. Our O-line can’t run block as well without Mawae.
By the way, Pratt, if you take this explanation of why it’s different and twist it to make me seem like I’m making excuses for CJ, do I have permission to whack you in the face?
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Nov 1, 2011 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Do your best, because those are all excuses too which we have seen multiple times this season given the same situation it does not end in anywhere near the same result as shown above.
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Take for instance this play:

Nearly the same play design, but this result CJ had one man to beat… too which instead of juking the defender he runs directly into his arms and the 2 other approaching defenders. Unfortunately we did not have KB gang-tackling/tripping capabilities to give CJ a clear field to run 60 yards (if that’s what it takes for him to get huge gains now we are F-ed)
but as this article said:
On this 1st-and-10 pitch, Johnson found himself one-on-one with Conner Barwin, who read the play nicely and stayed at home. Barwin slowed Johnson up and made the tackle after a 3-yard gain.
But this is precisely the type of play that Johnson needs to make more of. Barwin is a talented and athletic linebacker, so expecting Johnson to simply run around him is asking too much. Beyond Barwin, though, is an absolute wall of Titans blockers, with the Houston defense totally sealed off. If Johnson could have made Barwin miss, the 3-yard run easily could have turned into 15-20 yards or more.
Right now, the Titans’ run game is doing the bare minimum, from the top down. Blame the vanilla play calling, if you want — consistent run plays in run downs from run formations won’t leave the defense guessing much. And definitely give the blocking a slap on the wrists.
Still, as much as he’d like to be, Johnson is not free and clear here. Part of why Tennessee paid him like it did is because he’s supposed to be in the elite running back class, which means making things happen outside of what an average back could do. That isn’t the case so far this season. Johnson is taking what the blocking and the defense give him, and no more.
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I agree.
However, the run was a 3 yard gain? If Johnson had really run right into the arms of the defender like you said, it would’ve been a 2-3 yard loss.
Besides, Barwin was already 4 yards behind the line of scrimmage when CJ takes the handoff. Either nobody blocked him or somebody whiffed on their block.
I know it’s easy to throw out logic and just rage all over CJ, blaming him for all our running game’s woes, but it’s simply not just ALL on him. There’s more factors that just CJ’s ineffectiveness.
The only reason we’re all over CJ on this is because he got the big money contract and he hasn’t produced.
Last I checked, our 5 O-lineman make quite a good bit of money too. Why aren’t they doing their part to help fix the run game?
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Nov 2, 2011 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I was watching HBO's 24 7 pacquiao marquez about there upcoming fight...
Freddie Roach hired a strength and conditioning coach for Pacquiao and he had one rule for the trainer: DO NOT FUCK UP HIS SPEED. I wonder if CJs off-season training regiment hurt his speed.
idk
His trainer is a speed coach from what ive read. So his goal is to make his speed and burst better.
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He needs to be fired.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Nov 1, 2011 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Post two? You mean the second frame?
A cutback?
Look at Stewart. That play is designed to be an inside zone play (inside the tackle). The Colts blow it up and force CJ outside. That’s a busted play.
If this is confusing, I'm talking about Play 2. I got side tracked.
Note that play one is designed to go inside as well, though. CJ cuts it back on his own. That’s not by design. The play design isn’t to isolate him against the safety.
Penetration
Thanks SH. How do you explain so much penetration by opposing defenses? Poor technique? Overrated OL? I think that has to be one of the major issues here.
Any truth to this
Just saw this on The Glennon chat from “Bud’s Tie”
The funny thing is CJ is avging about the same amount of yards after contact that he avgd his 2000 yard season. He’s avging 2.4 yards after contact. His 2000 yard season he avgd 2.7 yards after contact & 2.6 yards after contact last year. It might need to be brought up that he’s gettin hit n the backfield or @ the line off scrimmage like every single play.
by M3RKT on Nov 1, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
CJ isn't a YAC kinda back.
Most of his big plays go virtually untouched.
I’ve been looking all over for this metric, though. Did he give reference to where he found the stat?
it is alot of hard work to be a great RB in this league
It sure looks like to me that CJ’s heart isnt into it anymore, he has lost the fire and drive that he once had
by Indiana Titan on Nov 1, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Aha.
This explains it a little better.

This is from 2009. Alas, he’s not a YAC kinda back. The volume skews the numbers a bit. As a percentage, even in 2009, most other backs got a higher percentage of their yards after contact.
This isn’t damning, or anything. CJ isn’t the kinda guy to bowl some one over and tear off a big one. Looking at this graph, I’d wager that 2.4 YAC would be good for worst in the league.
by SuperHorn on Nov 1, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Very interesting.
I am surprised Jamaal Charles had such a high % of YAC.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
As usual, SuperHorn, very insightful stuff. Then there's this: (from another post of mine)
However (you knew there was going to be a however, didn’t you), there’s one factor that you left out. That’s the impact that CJ’s holdout had on the rest of the team. You see, on my son’s team, when a player comes in late, he sits the bench until he proves to the coaches (pays his dues) that he deserves to start. Then, and only then, does he start. Now, I can hear you saying, "But your son’s team doesn’t have any 50 million dollar RBs on it". And you would be correct. However, the same principle still applies. When everybody else has been there, the whole time, training camp, preseason, team meetings, etc…..and then, all of a sudden, CJ comes in and STARTS?….No…No…the rest of the players are naturally going to resent it…and so do I. It’s not fair…and it’s not right. I don’t care who it is, in that situation, they stay on the bench until they get up to speed with everyone else, I’m sorry.
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by titansfan4ever on Nov 1, 2011 12:14 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I found it pretty interesting that Ringer and CJ were given the same amount of carries against one of the worst run defense in the league...
seems as Thor was trying to gauge what he had in both backs as far as production with this game… I mean aside from winning.
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I guess he got his answer.
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by titansfan4ever on Nov 1, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I would say so. Same O-line, same play calling, different RB - 2 totally different results.
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by Titans_Firefighter on Nov 1, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Master Chief?
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by Titans_Firefighter on Nov 1, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Clearly i have no idea what im talking about and ive been watching the game different that everyone else
Because i just am not seeing the consistency. Consistently seeing CJ miss holes, getting arm tackled, etc. I just am not seeing it all game like you all. So i give up.
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Don't give up, dude.
You can see (or not see) how far that has gotten C.J.
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by titansfan4ever on Nov 1, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, it's not like we don't want our 50 zillion dollar running back to get back to form
we are looking for reasons why it’s not working right now… and it’s pretty much gone back to CJ at this point. He has the ability to fix it and I really hope he does.
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lmfao i agree to disagree.
Does CJ deserve a bulk of the blame? yes. But like i’ve been saying. He doesn’t deserve it all. And that’s probably is what’s irritating me. The Oline is at fault yet in the headlines, it’s all about what’s wrong with Chris Johnson. I don’t think you can blame a guy for not continuously making outstanding plays. He’s a playmaker so yes, we should see him make something out of nothing. But some of his best runs have come when he gets to the second level, that’s not happening. So unless the Oline is playing Lights out and CJ still stinks. I just don’t see the need for the continuous bashing ive been seeing.
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I still stand behind my 70% CJ - 30% O-line/TE's... even though I am going more towards 80%CJ-20%O-line/TE after the last game
I don’t think you can blame a guy for not continuously making outstanding plays. He’s a playmaker so yes, we should see him make something out of nothing.
And I think this is exactly why a lot of us are irritated/given up on him (for this season at least) he JUST got paid the second largest contract for a RB ever. Compares himself to the playmaking ability of The Great Fitzgerald, and then rewards us with… this? So yes, he is a easy target/under the microscope for criticism, because he is our playmaker that isn’t making plays.
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I'm almost at 90% CJ.
We’re getting about the same amount of suckage production from the O-line as last season, and we’re also seeing some of the same run plays. What does that leave being the real difference? CJ!
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We’re getting about the same amount of suckage production from the O-line as last season
This doesn’t mean the O-line should be absolved from the failures just because we already know they suck though…
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I'm not absolving them.
But of the three, more and more each week, CJ shows to be the bigger problem.
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CJ = Biggest Problem, O-line = still a big problem
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false
you can’t just expect a guy to consistently carry the water for other players. cj’s performance has changed the most, but this kind of reasoning ignores the baseline, which was never equal in the first place.
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I don't expect him to be anything other then the best running back on our roster
and currently right now, he is getting beaten out by a dude making the league min.
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Put a different way.
CJ’s the variable here. The O-line sucks. They’re horrible. But, they sucked last year too.
The difference in the production from last year to this year is largely on CJ. We can split hairs on the morality of that reasoning, or whether it’s fair. The fact remains that the O-line production hasn’t deteriorated so much that CJ’s been put in a decidedly different position from last year.
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Easier to fix one guy
than it is to fix five?
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those percentages are bull shit
the o-line is and has been god fucking awful. it’s 80% cj’s fault if you assume he’s supposed to be 80% responsible for the success. he spoiled us the first 3 years, but that can’t mask the fact that the big guys are still fucking the dog in the run game.
when you cover for people who can’t carry their own weight, you don’t suddenly become responsible for them not carrying their own weight once you can’t do it all for them.
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by hal41605 on Nov 1, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
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when you cover for people who can’t carry their own weight, you don’t suddenly become responsible for them not carrying their own weight once you can’t do it all for them.
You do when you’re paid like CJ and the level of suck is this bad.
It’d be one thing if he was average. At his current production, he’s the worst feature back in the league.
the salary stuff is irrelevant once the ball is snapped
that’s just shit fans get pissed about.
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It's not irrelevant in terms of our teams future... which is what I am concered about.
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the future worries me less
than the present.
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im just saying i think he'll bounce back in the future
but the present turmoil is pretty intractable.
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Just slap yourself right now for that comment.
But if CJ is kept around and we are unable to bring in guys that could help us because we cant pay them. How can we improve the OL in the off-season if we cant get any vets in here so we will go through another year of CJ being a sandbag. Haselbeck and Locker are going to need more than just Britt to throw to. The D needs players too. I’m pretty sure we arent going to fill all these positions in the 2012 Draft, we may only fill a couple. CJ can and possible will cause cap problems in the future and I dont want to see Britt leave because we cant pay him because CJ is eating too much of the cap. It will be like ’05? all over again.
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by Titans_Firefighter on Nov 1, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Regardless what Hal is saying, CJ will not be making that paycheck and/or not be on the roster
if he continues into next season with this kind of production.
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by Titans_Firefighter on Nov 1, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
obviously i don't think this will last forever
he’s too young for his physical gifts to be permanently gone, and the mental stuff can get fixed. i want to address the line heavily in rounds 2-4 of the draft and let our Hall of Famers prove their worth and coach ‘em up like munch did with our tackles. i’m totally over our current GCG lineup, they just don’t have what it takes to move guys off the line of scrimmage and there’s no reason it would ever change with them.
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This being said;
i’m totally over our current GCG lineup
what do you think(hope) we will change next year? I doubt we will plug in 3 rookies into our interior O-line right from game 1. Maybe a good FA pick-up at center, slide Amano back over to Guard, and draft another guard in the 3rd-4th round?
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nope, fuck em
3 years is enough to show me they suck. vet center and a couple of rookie guards of the large and strong variety. clearly we are better at coaching pass protection, so i want guys who are more slanted to run blocking to begin with. looks to me like Hasselbeck could start again next year, so it would give them a season to learn before Locker takes over.
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No more Amano, please.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
Even at Guard?
we paid him big money, you know they aren’t going to bench him. They would have to cut him or re-do his contract.
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Then cut him.
He was already our weakest link at G.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
You know they won't though.
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Why not?
If this complete suckage lasts all year, they have to make drastic changes, don´t they?
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
For some reason Thor loves him some Amano so it seems.
Here is to hoping!
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ok, where do you think we are going to fix our D at?
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by Titans_Firefighter on Nov 1, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
and where are we getting that FA or Draft?
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by Titans_Firefighter on Nov 1, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
We could go for all of them in the draft
depending on where we are aiming for a LB/S in the draft, I would not mind another FA vet.
McCarthy I think steps in for Ruud
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do you expect us to draft guys to start next year or are they going to sit a year.
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by Titans_Firefighter on Nov 1, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
First off they are my person percentages that have no merit on anything
Second, if you read further down I am explaining how we can’t absolve the O-line for their own troubles just because we know they already suck.
Third,
he spoiled us the first 3 years, but that can’t mask the fact that the big guys are still fucking the dog in the run game.
I. Don’t. Give. A. Shit. what CJ did for us the last 3 years, he is a liability to the Titans at this point in the season. No one is asking him to make the O-line look better, just be an average back at this point (even though we paid him to be more then that).
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by Titans_Firefighter on Nov 1, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
We're ALL irritated, man. And, we ALL want the best for this club.
But really, dude, this is the same old story we’ve seen time and time again. Guy plays lights out….gets BIG paycheck….guy then goes on vacation. It’s almost predictable.
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by titansfan4ever on Nov 1, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
i would rather go with the CJ missing camp excuse than the he is quitting excuse
Him quitting is something i can never believe.
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Camp was too long ago for that to matter now
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How can you not believe that a superstar player making huge money wouldn't quit?
I mean, I know we’re all fans here…but I think we can recognize that football players aren’t superheros, just normal human beings with normal human emotions.
Then don't. Go with your gut.
You want to know what I’m afraid of. The O-Line resents him for holding out…so they’re like, “Screw you, dude. You think you’re ALL THAT? How about if we don’t block for you? How great will you be then?”.
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by titansfan4ever on Nov 1, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
reminds me of the Longest Yard
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That would be a really dumb move then, they would be putting their jobs on the line in order to prove to a RB he's 'not all that'?
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Oh trust me....
they could do it in a way that makes it look like it’s the RB’s fault.
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by titansfan4ever on Nov 1, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I know it's possible, but being ranked so low in the NFL in run blocking is not helping their case
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But CJ's comments about his blockers last week definitely could help support your conspiracy theory
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These guys are pros dude.
they would all hold out if they had to for more money. Munch held out. They wouldn’t hold that against him. They are not fans. This is their business and they’re all there to make money.
Right!
But they’re still human beings…with feelings…feelings of envy, maybe…or spite…IDK….I really hope I’m wrong.
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by titansfan4ever on Nov 1, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, and FINALLY....
we’re getting it!!
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by titansfan4ever on Nov 1, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
We've had soooo many trainwrecks of humans in the last few years on this team who plenty of us stood behind for way too long
can you really blame us for being skeptics?
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A VUNCE reference!1!1
Well, NOW you’ve opened the floodgates!!
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by titansfan4ever on Nov 1, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Vunce, Pacman, Haynesworth, Fisher-debacle, etc...
man how nice would it be to have a team that all played together like a team should.
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We wouldn't know how to act....
that’s for sure.
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by titansfan4ever on Nov 1, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think anyone is giving CJ all of the blame.
Not anyone here, at least.
If CJ deserves, as you say, the “bulk” of the blame, and he’s making 50 million dollars, he’s going to be in the headlines.
It goes both ways. When he ran for 2,000 yards and when we had a great year with him lendale in 08, did you see headlines praising the O line? Of course not. No one cares about O lines in the media.
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by TennesseeTyrants on Nov 1, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't get discouraged.
But, empirical evidence > anecdotal evidence.
Go back and re-watch, and then we can compare notes on specific plays. Until you can point me to specifics, it’s hard for me to identify with you.
Those two plays are things of beauty.
Just a really simple, straightforward example of CJ being more athletic than anyone trying to tackle him. He’s not the same running back this year.
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by TennesseeTyrants on Nov 1, 2011 12:44 PM CDT reply actions
I don't think these are the same or similar zone plays that are being called under Palmer
The first one looks like a designed cutback by CJ…nearly all the linemen and TE are trying to seal off the backside of the play (see Scaife, for example). They wouldn’t be doing that if this was a standard zone play.
The second play is definitely all CJ…something we haven’t seen yet this season.
So, I think CJ is definitely not playing up to the level we are accustomed to from him, but I also think Palmer needs to adjust his play calling. This offensive line and the current RBs we have are just not able to execute the current run plays…to continue to just call these same plays over and over and expect different results is insane.
The offensive line is not going to get much better this season, so the only things that can change are CJ getting back to form or Palmer adapting his play calling (more counters, designed cutbacks, etc). I don’t think the coaching staff should wait on CJ…
I don't either.
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by titansfan4ever on Nov 1, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I see how it could appear this way, but it's just a poor shot.
When you watch it live, you can just see that it’s Scaife trying to lay a hat on a defender. The play is flowing to the right and he has to reach. Then, look at Amano who’s to the second level in the designed hole. Now, look at Harris on the left sealing the outside, and Scott/Stewart sealing the outside to the right.
There’s room inside, but CJ sees more room outside.
Well, either way
I would like to see CJ cut back more…either by design or by CJ himself.
Of course, that would require him to make a guy miss after that…
by shawneriksmith on Nov 1, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, but whats been very frustrating is that whenever he does try the cutbacks, he´s been unable to make big plays out of it.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
You know whats sad.
Cam Newton has more rushing yards and rushing TDs than CJ.
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by Titans_Firefighter on Nov 1, 2011 12:49 PM CDT reply actions
I guess Warren Moon was right about him.
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by titansfan4ever on Nov 1, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
at least he wen't #1 overall. So we don't have to compare him to Jake. He wasn't there for us anyways.
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by shawneriksmith on Nov 1, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
most great QBs talk about
the moment when the game “slows down” for them and they start to see everything better and more quickly.
it looks like the exact opposite for CJ. it just seems like he’s doing way to much thinking and processing and not running with nearly enough instinct. at this point we have to hope that a good off season can fix those things and he can rediscover what made him so good, which in most cases was his improvisation and vision.
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by hal41605 on Nov 1, 2011 1:09 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
I agree with this; it seems like CJ had it before, maybe a good off-season with actually attending all of the camps
would do wonders for his game.
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Eventually EVERYONE agrees with hal
I was just ahead of the curve
What's our record?
3 and 3
How'd we ever win 3?
by AntiguanTitan on Nov 1, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
This is probably begging for injury but I'd like to see what happens.
Just tell CJ “As soon as you get the ball, crank the speed to max and if you find a hole, great. If you don’t the Oline fucked up.” Do 50% to the outside and just have him go full speed to a 2/3 receiver side. I’m no play caller (not formation intelligent in any way), so this is probably one of the dumbest things you guys have heard. In my mind it sounds like it could produce results if you just get CJ going cop speed soon and more often. His greatest asset is his speed, so why not creat as many plays as possible that allow him to get to top speed immediately. Tosses or handoffs from shotgun. I don’t know…maybe this stuff has been tried. If CJ being indecisive is the problem, take away some of his decisions and say “go here no matter what.” Again, I’m pretty dumb when it comes to play calling, so go easy.
Or, you could just go with the advice from Better Off Dead
“Go that way, really fast. If something gets in your way, turn.”
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Wait superhorn this is incorrect
Again, this isn’t anything other than Chris Johnson just being on a different level than the opposition. He makes two defenders miss here.
Kenny Britt Pancakes those two guys and cuts a 3rd guy on his way down. Kenny took out 3 colts players on that play
So KB is the reason CJ isn't performing this year?!
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i'm just saying KB had a great block on that play
and that playe goes for a TD if Cook keeps his block a little longer
Look at the previous frame.
Look at the pursuing linebacker’s angle as well as the angle the safety has as he drops into the play. Against inferior talent, he makes this play.
I suppose it’s somewhat of a gray area, but I think CJ’s athleticism played a large part in those horrible angles. The play shows up differently when you watch it live. And, for what it’s worth, Kenny doesn’t even touch one of those guys. The other he chips to the side. By the time Britt blocks the defender, though, CJ’s already past him.
It wasn't crack back by design. The guy takes an angle that forces Kenny to get him from the side.
I wish I could turn these into gifs to illustrate this better. Sometimes stills get a little confusing….
I think the big contract is impacting him.
What SH points out is the hesitation. IMO, he’s pressing to try to live up to the big contract he’s just signed. The other reasons that you guys have pointed out (poor OL play, new scheme,no training camp, etc.) are certainly factors. But it’s the hesitation an indecision that to me are why he looks so different this year.
This guy came from nowhere really to become a premier RB in the NFL. I’m sure all his life he’s exceeded expectations. He final gets formal validation – in the form of a huge contract – and now every fan from every team and all the sports media complex is heaping criticism on him.
Let’s hope he bottoms soon out and returns to relying on his instincts.
AJS
I was about to agree with this 100%
until I remembered that expectations couldn’t have been higher after CJ’s 2009 season.
I’m not saying that the contract isn’t a factor in his poor performance (and I do agree that he’s pressing and overthinking) but I don’t think the contract is the main culprit, unless he just lost his hunger when he signed for all those zeros.
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