Tennessee Titans Daily Links: Ringer Carries The Load Edition
Yesterday's win might not have been the most inspiring, but it was a great chance for the Titans to snap a nearly month-long trend of terrible performances. After getting waxed by the Texans and Steelers, the Titans took advantage of one of the worst teams in the NFL at home. Javon Ringer was able to get the running game out of the sewer and at least into a cozy gutter, and the defense was harassing Painter and the Colts WRs all day long.
After the game Ringer continued to assert that Chris Johnson is the no. 1 running back, but he'll take full advantage of every chance he gets. I honestly believe that Ringer's increased workload was an intentional and deliberate move on the part of Munchak and Palmer to help the offense, and send a message to Johnson. Honestly, it's a few weeks later than it needed to be, but it's definitely in time to help get this offense on track for a playoff run. As I mentioned on MCM Radio, if Ringer can get the rushing attack to even a subpar state, we'll have a lot more success than we're having with an epically horrible performance so far.
Paul K looks at the broken run game, and how CJ's struggles compare to those of Matt Hasselbeck's former teammate, Shaun Alexander.
Patrick Bailey gave the Titans a huge boost by blocking a punt that was recovered for a touchdown. Who blew the blocking assignment that made that play possible? The guy who is on track to be Bill Polian's most spectacular first round bust, Jerry Hughes.
Boclair points out that the Titans scored all 27 points yesterday thanks to turnovers.
Cortland Finnegan had an ice bag on his hand after yesterday's game, but downplayed the injury.
Here's this week's Audibles at the Line.
Well played, Tully.
Speaking of former Titans, Pacman Jones is hopeful that he'll be healthy enough to start next Sunday when the Bengals come to Nashville. Pac missed time earlier this year while still recovering from the neck injury that ended his season last year, but he hurt his hamstring returning a punt yesterday. Regardless of where Pac is on Sunday, he'll still be an asshole.
Here's this week's MMQB.
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From PK MMQB:
j. Chris Johnson. Only man in the top 50 NFL rushers to average less than three yards per rush. And it’s way less — 2.82. Which leads me to …
3. I think I am amazed to say this, but Chris Johnson is just another guy. I’ve watched enough of him through eight weeks now to say that with confidence. He’s making no one miss. He’s not fighting for a single extra yard. If his name were John Doe, and the Titans coaches were comparing him to all the other backs on the roster, I’d be stunned if they played him over Javon Ringer. Just watch Johnson, the 34th-leading rusher in the NFL. Tell me he’s either totally lost his drive, or he’s saving himself so he can play out his full, and very rich, contract.
by SuperHorn on Oct 31, 2011 11:16 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Apparently, CJ has a balance issue and it's as simple as that....
at least that is what I was told yesterday.
by PA-Titan on Oct 31, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
You guys are twisting those words so much I might as well just lay one of these out.

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R.I.P. Dinger
by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 31, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey! You know I'm feeble brained panties-twisted CJ apologist!
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 31, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
BUT IT'S BECAUSE TEAMS ARE PUTTING 8 MEN IN THE BOX ON EVERY PLAY WITH CJ!!!!!!!11 RINGER GETS IT EASY CUZ NO ONE CARES ABOUT HIM!!!11
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's bonkers.
The apologists seem to believe that unless CJ has a hole large enough to drive a truck through that he shoulders none of the blame in this. This O-line has been poor for the last two years. This is nothing new.
The fundamental idea behind making a guy the second highest paid RB in NFL history is that he makes up for these deficiencies, that he should be able to do things that 95% of the rest of the league RB’s are incapable of. Right now, he’s not even doing enough to be considered average. I watch him and often wonder if that’s Chris Henry back on the roster.
by SuperHorn on Oct 31, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
I just saw this on ESPN:
Two years ago, Chris Johnson rushed for 2,006 yards; now he’s on pace for a mere 690.
…my God.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm speechless
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that really is scary, being halloween and all
i hate to see CJ playing so crappy. why can’t he even be average this year?
I love this:
A defense lets down when Ringer is in the game because he’s not earned the respect Johnson has, he explained.
Maybe the Titans will be trendsetters. Maybe soon we’ll see offensive strategy shift across the league: Dynamic playmakers will head for the bench so defenses will relax in order for second-stringers with less talent, shorter résumés and smaller contracts to take advantage.
Times they are changin’
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Soooo....I went back and looked at the fronts that both Ringer and CJ ran into.
Ringer:
7 men or less: 6 rushes
8 men or more: 8 rushes
CJ:
7 men or less: 4 rushes
8 men or more: 9 rushes
I missed one rush from CJ.
Anyhow, the disparity isn’t nearly as large as apologists would have you believe. And, if that last carry is against 7 men, it’s almost equal.
Let me also add that the tendency is to only look at YPC when evaluating backs. Also look at receptions.
Ringer: 5 rec, 42 yards, 8.4 YPR
CJ: 3 rec, 17 yards, 5.7 YPR
Total touches:
Ringer: 20 touches, 102 yards, 5.1 YPT
CJ: 17 touches, 51 yards, 3 YPT
It’s just one game, but any objective viewer can see that Ringer outplayed Johnson yesterday.
by SuperHorn on Oct 31, 2011 11:23 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
BU BU BUT! CJ FEEDS OFF POSITIVE ENERGY LIKE SUPERMAN FEEDS OFF THE RED SUN!!!!!1
OUR BOO’S YESTERDAY WAS SLOWING HIM DOWN!!11111 IT’S NOT HIS FAULT!111
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I did have a laugh when Ringer got dinged up and the crowd booed CJ just running onto the field
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He should pre-apologize for every run he is about to make before stepping onto the field
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Did you see this tweet yesterday:
“@ChrisJohnson28 Chris Johnson
Thanks for all the criticism good and bad it’s much needed”
Hopefully, he is holding himself accountable now and we’ll see some change.
He just needs time to get his shit figured out
I am positive he hasn’t lost the ability/speed whatever you want to call it… but he has lost his damn mind when it comes to running. Watching Ringer run yesterday was watching a runningback make the most of the opportunity given to him. He ran hungry and we don’t see that anymore from CJ.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the speed is still there. Maybe not as good as it used to be with the wear and tear, but its still there.
The vision though is gone. And he needs to find it or he won’t be successful again. As SuperHorn said, its like watching Chris Henry out there.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 31, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I hope that statement is for real and he is holding himself accountable 100%...
even if the line has issues.
Another interesting thing from Kuharsky
was that it seemed like CJ was running to not get hurt, so he can play out his whole contract. But wasn’t that what the whole guaranteed money argument was? That he could play as he always plays, but without the fear of not having money if he gets hurt.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 31, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
He just doesn't look like he wants it anymore
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
i doubt its anything serious though
i’m sure hes got the usual bumps and bruises from playing NFL football. its got to be all mental for him. as the stats indicate, hes not even an average running back right now.
If he is, now is the time to say something
what good is it doing him by keeping quiet?
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
So he opposing teams don't target the injury?
That’s standard practice in hockey, at least. After a team is eliminated, a full list of injuries is revealed
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Although I should say, I don't think there's an injury here
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At this point disclosing an injury 'might' save his reputation and/or at least give him more excuses
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Doubt it. It'd come more looking like just an excuse for sucking.
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As apposed to the truth?
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
No, I mean it would seem like he's making up excuses to cover his sucking.
Since he’s been so adamant that it’s NOT him!
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I agree...
the benefit before was defenses were scheming for him, so they didn’t want to tip their hat. But now there is not much of a reason to scheme specifically for CJ, so you lose little to no advantage by stating it’s injury related.
From Grantland on Friday
The quote is from the section about Rivers but it seems relevant now
Is there a better “That’s When You Know You’ve Sucked Lately” red flag than fans wondering if you’re hiding an injury, with the possible exception of every move Ron Washington made in Game 6 last night?
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Shit it gets worse for CJ
The good news: Rivers would be 2011’s “What the eff is wrong with him?” NFL star if not for Chris Johnson, who’s had at least 30 carries this season that made him look like Deena or Snooki starting to lunge at someone in a bar and immediately being tackled by three bouncers who carried her 10 feet backwards.
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Actually the money is only guaranteed if he is injured.
If he is cut but not injured, the guaranteed money disappears
The only thing I would like to see with Ringer getting more carries,
is for CJ to be on the field at the same time. He is decent at pass blocking and is still the fastest player on the field 99 percent of the time. He is still a weapon, but we are not using him correctly. With CJ, either you give him the ball a million times and he breaks one, or you give him 15 carries and get what we saw yesterday. Instead we need him lined up at every position on the field at different times. The defense will always have to account for him when he’s on the field even when he’s not doing well. With the state of our receiving core I don’t see how it would hurt to put him on the field for 45 to 55 snaps and get him 10-17 carries with 6 to 7 receptions. Yesterday CJ wasn’t on the field for 7 possessions, and that doesn’t make any sense to me. Put his ass in the slot and make the defense guess what we are doing. Make him the most expensive decoy in the history of the NFL.
Perfect example is using the shotgun to rb’s three wr sets. Instead of putting in Cook in the backfield with Ringer, it needs to be CJ and Ringer to go with Cook, Hands, Williams/Hawk on the outside. This optimizes our chances of confusing the defense and gives us added wrinkles. Some things are like Madden, and we need every weapon we have on the field for the maximum amount of plays. Right now our weapons are Hands, Ringer, CJ, and Cook/ Stevens. These guys need to run 85-90 percent of the snaps. It’s time to be creative if we are serious about not being terrible. Just my long winded two cents.
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by DuelDukes on Oct 31, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
two rb's, three wr sets*
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CJ used to get alot of his yards on the outside.
These days when he get to the outside there as many offensive players as defense in his way. What ever happed to the offensive line sealing this off. This zone blocking sceme is just not working (obviously).
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They suck, they need to go back to the old scheme
and Amano was getting pushed back 4 yards one time just a split second after he snapped the ball, he is GARBAGE
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 31, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
up Amano's ass?
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I think if you just run it up someones ass...
You just end up being stuck in a pile of fresh steamy shit!
So the best choice is, who’s shit doesn’t stink!!
zone blocking vs non zone blocking
but.
Like the song title “Sometimes i wonder”… what it will take to atleast have our O-line be in the early 20s in run blocking efficiency
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 31, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Meh.
I haven’t seen much traditional man runs with a pulling guard. I think the staff figured out that our guards weren’t suited for that sort of thing after the first few games (even then there were only a handful per game).
We’re still running the bread and butter of ‘08-10…inside, outside, and stretch zone plays….they just aren’t working.
they have GOT
to get velasco in somehow because struggling to run the ball against the worst team in the nfl is NOT gonna cut it. .i dont care how it affects the pass blocking because lets be honest. . we dont scare anyone in the passing game without a legit running attack. .i was not satisfied at all by that victory yesterday
by AirMohawk on Oct 31, 2011 11:26 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
This is where you lost me:
i dont care how it affects the pass blocking
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll say this
Velasco overall is better than Amano in run and pass blocking
did you see Amano get blown up instantly after he snapped the ball??
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 31, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
How do you know?
If it is so obvious, why isn’t he playing?
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because Munch wants to keep them together
but when Velasco filled in for Amano vs cleveland, was it not better?
When Velasco filled in for Harris as the 2nd string G last year, and then Amano as the 3rd string C.
Was he not good when he played?
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 31, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
After seeing yesterday's performance, I no longer want to break up the offfensive line.
If Ringer gets a fair shot at carrying the weight of the run game, and averages less than 3 yards per carry, then I’m all for it. But we are really good at pass blocking, and one of our running backs had some success yesterday.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 31, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I got to agree with this...
if Ringer gets CJ’s carries he is over 100yds, rushing plus his receiving yards which puts him at a very respectable game.
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by bullrider73 on Oct 31, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Ringer should be the majority of the work next week.
I’d say 70-30 split. He’s just better right now. Our line may be bad, but it was good enough for our backup running back to get 4.3 yards per carry. And don’t give the “its just the Colts bad defense” because CJ was facing that exact same defense and had almost half the success.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 31, 2011 11:34 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
*get
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 31, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed but I'm thinking it won't happen to that extent
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Yup.
I don’t really want to see CJ at all at this point, but I’d take 30%. Whatever his wrong with him, almost every down he is the ball carrier is a lost down.
by numbertenox on Oct 31, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
He needs the embarrassment of being benched.
that’s the only thing that may wake his a$$ up.
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by titansfan4ever on Oct 31, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
i have to admit
dissecting the minutia of every run is starting to become excruciating.
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Ringer clearly ran with more vision and heart than CJ has run with.
And he definitely broke more tackles. I think everyone is glazing over the fact that the O-line was still absolutely terrible because its a race to say “I WAS SO RIGHT GUYS” the fastest.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 31, 2011 12:00 PM CDT reply actions
nah. I think most of us know one thing, "The O-line is pretty terrible at run blocking" - this goes without saying now
at this point I don’t care who the running back is as long as they are getting positive yards.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not buying that Saint...
I watched replays of last week’s game. There were lanes that opened up…CJ just refused (for some reason) to hit them.
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by titansfan4ever on Oct 31, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
You don't agree that the O-line is playing pretty damn terrible at times?
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I said before last year's draft that I really felt we needed to address our needs for O-Line in the draft.
So yes, of course I see the need for improvement there. I am not, on the other hand, willing to blame the O-Line for CJ’s mis-cues…especially when I look back at the re-plays of the game and I can see holes open & CJ’s dancing around back in the backfield.
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by titansfan4ever on Oct 31, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I never said CJ's troubles were a direct result of O-line play...?
CJ’s troubles are on himself as it is right now. (for the most part)
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OK ...let's go back to what you said...
“The O-line is pretty terrible at run blocking” – this goes without saying now
If the O-Line was THAT bad, would there be running lanes opening up?
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by titansfan4ever on Oct 31, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I never said they were incapable of run blocking either, they are pretty terrible though
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And I respect your opinion about them.
My opinion is I’m not in love with them & I think we need more talent on O-Line than what we currently have on this team. But I don’t think they’re THAT bad. And, to add to that, a crappy RB that acts like he doesn’t give a crap….sure makes our O-Line look worse than they really are.
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by titansfan4ever on Oct 31, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with all of this; I think we are arguing about the same opinion...
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I DISAGREE!1!1......:-)
Just kidding.
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by titansfan4ever on Oct 31, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think anyone's dismissing our horrible O-line play.
But, that’s nothing new, and it’s not getting fixed this year. So, then the question becomes: With this O-line, who can get us more consistent yards on the ground?
And, at least for now, I feel more comfortable with Ringer.
by SuperHorn on Oct 31, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
*This; at least we know we have an average-to-bad O-line for running the ball
with an average-to-decent running back getting average-to-decent yards right now. I am totally fine with average-to-decent as apposed to CJs just bad running.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
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by August West on Oct 31, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you think Ringer can consistently break that many tackles a game?
I know you didn’t want people to bring up how bad the Colts are, but they are bad at tackling. Can we expect that many tackles to be broken against a good defense like the Bengals?
This isn’t me advocating for CJ over Ringer, just saying that his production in this game is worrisome because of how he had to get it.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 31, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd like to find out if Ringer break that many tackles per game...
we know Johnson can’t right now.
I would say we have a better chance of Ringer breaking some tackles then CJ dropping on first contact.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
This isn't about CJ. Just about Ringers production.
I for one am not confident he can break 2+ tackles on every play against the Bengals defense, for instance.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 31, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
There's only one way to find out.
Ringer’s performance yesterday shouldn’t be extrapolated over a whole season, but it shouldn’t be dismissed either. Ringer made poor tacklers pay, and that’s more than we can say for CJ in any game this year.
Again, I'm not trying to tie this to CJ at all.
Just questioning what answers we can have if Ringer can’t break all those tackles every play in games against better tackling defenses.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 31, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Er.
I don’t know the “answer”, necessarily. For now, you go with the hot hand, I think. It’s easy to just write it off as a systematic problem, but sometimes things change with the insertion of a different playmaker. For example, Dallas has struggled running the football this year. Then, they plug in Murray and he breaks the single game franchise rushing record (against STL, still impressive nonethless, though).
These are still people after all, and the situation is fluid. Knowing that the guy who you’re blocking for is busting his ass and running hard to get extra yards could potentially compound into better performance out of the o-line. Maybe not, but our CJ is playing so poorly that there’s little downside to this experiment.
by SuperHorn on Oct 31, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
We have a small subject size to determine if he will or won't be able to do it, but based on the last game I'd say we have a pretty good chance
and wasn’t that what he was known for at Michigan?
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
That's what I ment
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Same thing
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Breaking tackles in college != Breaking tackles in the NFL
Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove
by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 31, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I have my doubts that he can break tackles all the time against better defenses.
The Colts have particularly given up.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 31, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
One way to find out
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I think everyone is taking this as me arguing to not give Ringer carries.
I am just wondering what the answer is if it turns out Ringer can’t give us a running game either.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 31, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Pass it more
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I think you are assuming we are all arguing against CJ...?
you asked a question and we are answering based on the very small sample size we’ve been shown
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
You can speculate all you want...
but I’d like to find out in real life :) We know CJ is struggling and he’s going down at first contact. Hopefully, we find out what we have in our #2 back.
well i saw who was not breaking tackles against the same D
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by asbestos_man on Oct 31, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you think Ringer can consistently break that many tackles a game?
You asked for it? and it’s not like we have tons of tape as an example
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Which are all something you need to break tackles...
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Hopefully, we'll find out.
And this is all about CJ. If he was playing like a “play maker” at his pay scale is supposed to, we wouldn’t be having this conversation!
Damn you, Pratt. I was typing that very thing. Lol
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, you're certainly typing faster.
The Force is with you, young SkyLocker, but you are not a Jedi... yet!
It's my mutant ability
10,000 words per second
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
That was so 45 seconds ago!!
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One of these days....WHEN I have more time, WHEN I get that promotion, WHEN my ship comes in. Listen, TODAY is the day WHEN you start to put your goals into action. TODAY is the day WHEN you stop putting things off and decide that the only way the future IS going to be better is if I make TODAY WHENsday!!
by titansfan4ever on Oct 31, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Ringer was running like a man on a mission yesterday.
Every time he touched the ball he ran hard….can he break tackles like that every game??? Give him the ball and lets find out. At this point we have nothing to lose, CJ is not producing, so why waste valuable touches on whats not working….Not sure the exact wording of the old saying but it goes something like…..
“Craziness is doine the same things over and over and expect different results” Right now we are fucking crazy…time to run Ringer.
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by bullrider73 on Oct 31, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
well i think i've been saying that since last year.
Just like i said Ruud wasn’t better than Tully in the offseason
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 31, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
CJ....youre killing me bruh, just killin me.
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by MexicanTitanFreak on Oct 31, 2011 12:06 PM CDT reply actions
So i might be alone in this
But I think Tully’s actions were extremely classless.
So we can all think what we want about Tebow, but how dare you make fun of his Faith.
Horribly rude in my opinion.
So i might be alone in this
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are you ok with "Tebowing" in general?
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I didn't see it as making fun of his faith
I saw it as making fun of Tebow rubbing it in everybody’s faces who don’t care.
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Exactly
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
so when he prayed on the sideline that was rubbing it people's face?
by Daniel Knick on Oct 31, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Praying on the sideline and Tebowing are not the same.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with you, Tebow sucks. But no one should get their faithed mocked.
Just imagine if he were muslim and somebody mocked Salah.
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by MexicanTitanFreak on Oct 31, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
People should be allowed to mock whatever they want
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by gramsey712 on Oct 31, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Correct
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure, dosent always make it right. But tully he does have that right. And i have the right to call it classless.
Thre act is classless, not Tully in general.
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by MexicanTitanFreak on Oct 31, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm with you Daniel.
that crosses a line with me for sure. about as classless as it gets.
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by stetix01 on Oct 31, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
he wasn't making fun of his faith
he was making fun of “Tebowing”. It’s something that was made up last week. http://tebowing.com/
Precisely:
Meme Over: Tim Tebow Ruined Tebowing
This was posted on Friday.
but it came raging back this weekend!
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This is gold:
Tebow, you see, hath forsaken the first rule of memeology: If thou are the inspiration for the meme, thou hath better not, under any circumstances, acknowledge the meme. For if thou acknowledges the meme, the meme will immediately die a quick and spiraling death. A meme is never meant to look itself in the eye. Tebow, what have thou done!
From his Twitter account:
#Tebowing – to get down on a knee and start praying, even if everyone else around you is doing something completely different. Love it!
This is just like that time the plank went planking. Or the time the owl went owling. It breaks the fourth wall. Can a plank even technically plank? Can a Tebow even Tebow???
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needed perspective on this
What you might not know is that Tulloch got up, went to Tebow and told him it was just in fun, not meant to be mean-spirited. Tebow said that was fine. And at the end of the day, after Tebow had been nonstop terrible for three hours in Denver’s 45-10 loss to Detroit, Tebow thanked Tulloch for a good game. Tulloch told him to keep working hard, and that everything would work out.
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by hal41605 on Oct 31, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Classy
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Wait... people can be respectful and still have a good laugh?!
Not possible. You either hate or get hated on!!!!1
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how do we know that
Tully wasn’t praying?
That could be how he prays when he’s on one knee.
i know thats how i’d do it
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 31, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
how?
How is praying after a game rubbing it in peoples face? I am so tired of Christians being penalized for praying..
Who's penalizing Christians for praying?
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I'm not sure where you live Sami
But here in Middle Tenn there has been lawsuit after lawsuit regarding HS Coaches and players praying at HS Football Games
by Daniel Knick on Oct 31, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
That is happening everywhere
And it’s ridiculous
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Agreed it's ridiculous
but I find it extremely funny when someone as flamboyant as Tebow gets made fun of in this style. So… carry on.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
flamboyant? or unashamed? How should he act? He should hide his faith?
by Daniel Knick on Oct 31, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
No one is asking him to hide his faith...?
just don’t get pissed off when someone razzes you for it.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you hit the head with the flamboyant thing...
Anyone who is flamboyant about something risk the chance of being teased.
totally different subject but if there was a guy on the team other new was gay people might have a problem, but if he kept it to himself most would not say much openly….However if he showed up wearing a rainbow shirt and a pink too-too being flamboyent than let the teasing begin.
I know that is a poor anology but, I understand where Pratt is going with the flamboyant thing. There is nothing wrong with being christian, heck everyone should be, however when you go overboard with it there will always be others thinking it is a show or an act or wanting to make a litte fun of the situation.
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by bullrider73 on Oct 31, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not to start this back up
But going overboard? he follows his faith and serves his Lord.. how is that overboard?
by Daniel Knick on Oct 31, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Not to start this back up
I think you just did.
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you always use my words against me.. jeesh
I had to say that….
by Daniel Knick on Oct 31, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't say it then!
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LOL no all is good and maybe overboard is the wrong choice of words....
I just think that some people view public display of religion in different ways. Another crack at an anaolgy if you will:
Some people might get extremly offended at seeing PDF. Now mind you I am not talking about holding hands or kissing, but groaping and things like that.
I know plenty of people that say you know what there is nothing wrong with being religious or christian. There is nothing wrong with letting others know your beliefs, or with showing your beliefs in public. Kind of like thanking God for you athletic ability or the opprounity to play or to shine on that particular play. But there is a certain point when it appears as more of a “Hey everybody look at me I am better than your sinner ass God loves me more…type of moment” than just expressing your beleifs.
Everyone knows Tebow is a devout christian, but he constantly continues to remind you just in case you did not already know which I personally think can be a bit overboard.
Right, Wrong, or indifferent thats how I see it, and no ammount of arguing will ever ammount to either of us winning an argument about Religion.
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but he is not doing it to put you down
He is doing it to lift his God UP!
by Daniel Knick on Oct 31, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I meant PDA not PDF and in the PDF thing....
most of the times it about lifting something up as wel :)
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it sure is
My wife is not allowed to even bow her head at the prayer for the Fellowship Of Christian Athelete group that she leads at a Middle School here
by Daniel Knick on Oct 31, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Not sure if you heard about what happened down here at Soddy Daisy last year
But there was one kid who had never attended a football game write some letter to some group in Wisconsin about how they shouldn’t be allowed to pray at football games.
That group wrote a letter threatening a lawsuit. Boom. No praying at any school events in Hamilton County. Student led or not.
It’s amazing how much power one person can have.
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But that being said, it's not the problem people have with who's praying about what, it's more about who is being offended and who is going to make money off of it from a lawsuit
which goes back to my comment earlier:
No one is asking him to hide his faith…?
just don’t get pissed off when someone razzes you for it.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm just so freaking tired of everybody being offended all the time
Just put your damn big girl panties on and stop worrying about what other people think. Live your life, pray to who you want to pray to, and leave me the hell alone.
I will do the same for you.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't recall saying I was offended
I was just voicing my opinion of his actions… He can do what ever he wants, we have the freedom here.
by Daniel Knick on Oct 31, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
... no one is talking about you?
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Block quote fail
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I can agree to disagree here
But don’t get offended when I razz Tully about him being classless
by Daniel Knick on Oct 31, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't give a shit if you razz Tully, he deserves it from the right people
I still think it’s pretty damn funny.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
haha thank you for ending the conversation for us
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
anytime
I really wasn’t attempting to start a religous debate here, just merely commenting on my thoughts of his actions
I am not a Tebow fan, at all, but I do commend him for proudly displaying his faith throughout his college career and continuing to do so in the NFL
by Daniel Knick on Oct 31, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I actually don't mind Tebow, I enjoy his passion for the game and how fired up he is when playing
reminds me of myself playing in HS or now in soccer.
It’s the media that ruins him for me.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
its that same media that ruins him for me too
by Daniel Knick on Oct 31, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's the problem, Daniel.
“The world will not recognize you…because it does not recognize me”….Jesus
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One of these days....WHEN I have more time, WHEN I get that promotion, WHEN my ship comes in. Listen, TODAY is the day WHEN you start to put your goals into action. TODAY is the day WHEN you stop putting things off and decide that the only way the future IS going to be better is if I make TODAY WHENsday!!
by titansfan4ever on Oct 31, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
MD and I didn't know that
Not to turn this into a religious/political discussion at all, but that happens with every religion. Believe me, I’m Muslim. I see it all the time with us. I’m not the most devout Muslim out there but I get pissed off any time a Muslim person isn’t allowed to go somewhere to pray or anything like that at work/school.
Like grams said though, it happens everywhere
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I am from MD Sami, Right outside DC
And I can bet you that you would by far have more religious freedom there than I would
by Daniel Knick on Oct 31, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
well atleats when i was in HS
(2 years ago)
The coaches couldn’t pray with the students, and our players who werne’t christian didn’t pray. they just sat there till we were done.
and then we all ate pregame meal of rotisserie chicken, loaded mashed potatoes, french bread, and home made green beans. and we laughed because we were brothers
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 31, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I like rotisserie chicken!!
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by titansfan4ever on Oct 31, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I am tired of Christians being told where we can and where we can't pray as well
But that doesn’t change my feeling that Tulloch has every right to make fun of Tebow.
Maybe it’s because of my feeling of Tebow.
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Has anyone actually told you specifically where you can and can't pray?
What I’m sick of is not being allowed to smoke a cigarette wherever the hell I want! I encounter that all the time!
You're right, I wish you guys had no where to smoke.
freaks
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Good thing we still have some freedoms left in this country!
But that won’t last long, so I’ll just pray, smoke, spit, cuss where ever I want until then… and when someone tells me I can’t, I guess I’ll just have to bash their head in!!

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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
bahahaha
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yeah, you guys
I know on MTSU campus you guys can’t smoke on side walks, walkways, in front of doors, in buildings, and also not in the grass i think
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 31, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
i hate smokers
always spreading their suicide to innocent victims, and they stink!
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 31, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, so now you hate me?
SWEEEEEEET!
My work here is done!
Yeah, they can't smoke in the grass....
but it’s ok to smoke “the” grass.
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by titansfan4ever on Oct 31, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
yes I have
As an 11 year Army Officer, I have been told where I can and can not pray. So has my Public School teacher wife, even in her free time that she volunteers to lead non school orientated events
by Daniel Knick on Oct 31, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you for your service, sir!!
And don’t stop praying, cuz the Bible says that prayer “moves the hand of God”, and that’s powerful!! But Jesus also said "Don’t pray in the streets, as to draw attention to yourselves, like the Pharasees do. But go into your prayer “closet”, where it’s just you & God".
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by titansfan4ever on Oct 31, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
i kinda read it as don't do it to bring attention to yourselves
like don’t announce that you are doing it just do it, don’t just walk across the street stop in the middle and then just start praying, you know what i mean?
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 31, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I know.
I pray all the time, but you would never know that I am doing it. #1. I’m not kneeling and posing in “The Thinker’s” position. I don’t have to be in any position to talk to God, and trust me, He doesn’t care.
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by titansfan4ever on Oct 31, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree here
BUt at the same time – I am pretty sure that was a response to the emotion he was feeling at the same time – With all the Tebow can/Tebow can’t talk, I’m sure that was an overwhelming moment for him. It appears that way cause when I see it, he prays, starts to get up and then kneels back down..
by Daniel Knick on Oct 31, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed, thats what i do
some times i jsut look out the window while i’m driving and start praying, i guess my mucscle memory takes over, because i’m not focusing on the road, lol
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 31, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
oh i didn't know there were places we can't pray
i remember one sunday we went out to eat after church and we were praying right after the food got to our table.
then the waitress (probably in her late 30s) said: “Its nice to see families praying before eating, i haven’t seen that done in a while”
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 31, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Take your religious views somewhere else...
this is a sports forum.
A-greed.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I just made a simple comment that I thought Tully was classless
by Daniel Knick on Oct 31, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Noted; this conversation is going to go no where but down... leave it alone
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
You seem to doubt we can have a mature, adult conversation here
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bahaha do we talk to the same people around here?
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed, religon should be something that is respected no matter who it is. So I agree to disagree with some on this topic.
So back to CJ…..arggghhh!
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by MexicanTitanFreak on Oct 31, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I hate CJ - He is not Christian
THATS TOTALLY A JOKE
See what I did there?
by Daniel Knick on Oct 31, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Well played
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by MexicanTitanFreak on Oct 31, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
just because its a sports blog
We have to talk about just sports.
How dare you, Now im offended
by Indiana Titan on Oct 31, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I am offended that you are offended!
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Depends on how you emphasize the word though
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2 sylablle 1st syntax and 1st syllable in 4th word?
by Daniel Knick on Oct 31, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
offensive playcalling??
WE’RE BACK TO FOOTBALL!!!!!1
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
BBS is somehow offended
You’re all banned!
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I think I will just take a midol
My va jay-jay is starting to hurt
by Indiana Titan on Oct 31, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Obama is now a verb
I can’t wait to go home, put my feet up and Obama
or
I’m so tired of CJ obama-ing when he gets the ball
anyone guess the meaning? Thats right – TO DO NOTHING!
by Daniel Knick on Oct 31, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
was just watching espn
merrill hoge was breaking down the eagles run game and gushing about how the eagles finally put in a bunch of designed cutbacks and perimeter runs for McCoy and he ripped the Cowboys a new one.
hope palmer and munch were watching. the interior zone rushes are a complete waste if it’s CJ in there at this point.
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Haven't we been saying this for 2 years now?
the interior zone rushes are a complete waste if it’s CJ in there at this point.
Even though, I don’t even know if CJ has the ability to get out on the edge anymore… but yes, I think this is the way he should be used and I am confused why it’s taken this long to be realized.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
cuz he used to be able to do both
that long ass run against the Jags where he pinballed off the safety for 80 yards comes to mind. those days are over now though.
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That is exactly the run I was thinking about...
he also had a 93 yarder against houston a couple years back.
ahhhh the good ol' days
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by StPrattrick on Oct 31, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
The good ole days hahahah....
like when he and Lendale ran all over KC…and CJ showed us he was a musican as well by rocking out with the bongos on the sideline.
I sure miss that rush offense!
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meh
i think CJ will get his form back, i just think it will take an offseason of really working with Palmer and massaging the playbook to get there. new blockers too.
i also think it’s funny that ringer can put up mediocre numbers against a turrible defense and people go wild, but that’s another story. the difference between ringer and CJ against non-crapper teams is not going to turn losses into wins. might as well try something new, but i don’t expect much to change in a meaningful way.
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I agree with this:
i think CJ will get his form back, i just think it will take an offseason of really working with Palmer and massaging the playbook to get there.
The lack of proper off-season is what killed him.
And I don’t think it has much to do with Ringer himself, more so how bad CJ is really playing this season. Ringer is an average running back and we got average play from him on Sunday, but really that is all we needed.
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i think this can be a spring board for CJ if he's smart enough to take it that way
his end of season numbers are going to be a laughing stock. if there’s any way to motivate a rich athlete, it’s mocking them when they are down.
/checks to see if vegas has odds on 2012 comeback player of the year
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Agreed: If anything I hope he keeps his mouth shut and gives himself a head check
then comes back next season with 9,000 yards.
As for this season, mail it in. (I am not literally saying give up, before you InterRage all over my post)
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that's a 563 yards per game average for next year...
that’s doable ;)
McRath should help him out with some of his juice.
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I agree...
I think he is starting to realize this now with his latest twitter comments.
I don't think most people are going wild
but Ringer was serviceable, which is better than anything we’ve gotten from CJ outside of the Browns game. We’re not good enough to win anything with the absolute worst rushing attack in the league.
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and im saying with ringer we won't be more than a spot or 2 higher
once the sample size reaches significance. the difference between 32nd and 28th or 29th is not going to change any results in our favor.
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So far so good.
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I disagree.
Look at this.
The problem is that the increase from 32 to even 31st isn’t necessarily linear. It’s not some set per carry amount that separates one ranking the next.
Point here being that we could still be a bottom 1/3 rushing team, yet have a running back who’s averaging a full 1.5 more yards per carry. CJ’s numbers thusfar are THAT bad. Not only that, but if we can get more consistency our of the run game I think it helps the offense as a whole get more rhythm.
For the first time in years, we have a competent QB that can actually win some games on his own. A little help from the run game could go a long way.
i think we are putting waaaaaaaay too much stock in beating the worst team in the league
the running game with a small bump is going to open up what, exactly? good (not even great) teams can wipe nate off the field, leaving the dipshit twins williams and hawkins to continue sucking and jared cook to continue hiding in plain sight.
this game was merely a special teams TD and some tipped INTs from being the broncos game all over again. mentioning ringer as part of getting " this offense on track for a playoff run" is sheer hilarity. we just aren’t good.
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Will you still feel that way if we manage to beat Cincy?
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by titansfan4ever on Oct 31, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
no
but we won’t win because cinci is good.
we’ve all seen now that when flacco blows, as he did against us, they can be had by almost any team in the league. im not even sure we are better than the jags at this point. adding the browns, broncos and colts hardly adds to the resume either.
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So how many games would you project for us to win this year?
I’m still at 6-10.
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by titansfan4ever on Oct 31, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
M-A-Y-B-E......7-9
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by titansfan4ever on Oct 31, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
1 sure win left against the colts
3 maybes against tampa, carolina and jacksonville (though i fully expect cam newton to destroy us)
a 4th maybe if the texans are resting starters in week 17.
7 would be my prediction at the moment, with an absolute best case scenario of 9.
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YOU HEARD IT PEOPLE.....
hal agrees with me!!!!! Stop the presses…this day will go down in infamy!!
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by titansfan4ever on Oct 31, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's pump the brakes on the Texans a bit.
Resting starters?
It’s the f’ing Texans. Gary Kubiak has made a career out of melting down.
it's a win by default, but a win nonetheless
competent qb play, a game breaking WR, a great running game, and a good enough defense puts you way ahead of the class in this division.
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Agree
If anyone has a reputation for CHOKING….it’s the Fexans!!
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by titansfan4ever on Oct 31, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
when have they been this good?
answer: never. foster and wade change the math on this one. and you know i fucking hate to say it.
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Answer to your question...
when has this division ever been this bad?
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by titansfan4ever on Oct 31, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
never as well
they are first round fodder for sure, but i’d put money on them taking the division by 3 games or more
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You should....
get real good odds on that bet.
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by titansfan4ever on Oct 31, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Who has Cincy beat?
I see they beat one good team, Buffalo. I think this is pretty evenly matched. We definitely have a chance to beat Cincy.
Close losses to SF and Den
They could easily be undefeated right now
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Yeah, but if we had beaten the Jags & Texans, like we should have...
we’d be 6-1 right now, soooooo.
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by titansfan4ever on Oct 31, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
lol @ should have beat the texans
did you even watch that game?
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Now, THAT'S the old hal I know....
disagreeing with me. I was starting to feel really weird there for a minute.
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by titansfan4ever on Oct 31, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll give you Jags but no way I'll give you Houston there
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And no, I didn't see the Texan's game....
when I said “should have”, I was talking about “on paper” we were supposed to win.
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by titansfan4ever on Oct 31, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Meh, not a fan of saying "we should have won it on paper" here
They should have won it on paper too. A half game back going into it, they needed it as badly as we did, if not worse
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Let's be clear...I"m not projecting this performance onto the rest of the season.
But, we’ve got to find out what Ringer can do, I think.
If we can get closer to a 4 YPC clip running the ball, that takes a lot more stress of Hasselbeck. Despite our mediocrity, there are few dominant teams in the AFC right now, and the Texans have an uncanny ability to shit the bed. We’re not winning Super Bowls any time soon, but it’s too early in the season to just roll over. Mix it up. Nothing bad comes of giving Ringer more touches.
I really like the idea of the RB committee
using Ringer… basically like we did this last game and involving CJ more in the passing game (McCoy-Westbrook-style) throwing some Harper/Hall in there on short yardage/goal line.
I mean, why the f- not?
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i have no problems with giving ringer carries,
i just don’t think that will mean too much in the grand scheme this year.
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You also hate the Titans, sooooo....?
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Not me!!
He respects his elders.
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by titansfan4ever on Oct 31, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Key word there being elder
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by titansfan4ever on Oct 31, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it could, potentially.
Even with a total absence of anything that resembles a run game, we’re converting 40% of our 3rd downs. That’s good for 13th in the league. And, I’d wager that the lion’s share of those are 3rd and 5+. If we can actually get into more 3rd and manageable, and (GASP!) potentially move the chains on some of those with the run game, we might see more sustained drives. More points. Etc.
I think having a little more competent run game has a compounding effect, not just a marginal, incremental increase in YPP.
To add to this, we're 31st in the league in plays per game.
A LOT of that has to do with our broken running game.
You dont really know a playbook
until you give it a good rub down.
Am I the only one creeped out by Bud Adams love for VY?
Lamar Lathon was the shit!
he has the speed, but he's a patient runner
Most Rbs are taught that, the Vikings RB coached was telling Peterson to be more like CJ and be patient in the running game, along with his fumbling problems
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 31, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
The stretch of NFC teams coming up
scares the shit out of me. Can’t we just play the Colts 9 more times?
Am I the only one creeped out by Bud Adams love for VY?
Lamar Lathon was the shit!
Meh
Atlanta has been up and down, so who knows. New Orleans lost to winless St. Louis, Carolina lost to Minnesota and Tampa Bay isn’t great. I think we can pull out at least 2 wins there. Let’s worry about one week at a time, Cincy is going to be a tough team, they have a really good defense and offense is coming along
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by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Oct 31, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
If we don't beat Cincy.....
I’m blaming it on SuperHorn for liking Dalton.
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by titansfan4ever on Oct 31, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
How'd that change?
Because you get more insight about Locker during Titans practices than you do Dalton in Cincy? Or has Dalton just shown you something that makes you question him? Just curious, since I was all for Dalton pre draft but am in love with Locker after all I’ve read here
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I liked Locker more once I dug into all of his college games.
I still think Dalton can be very good, though, and he’s got some great young talent around him.
crazy how good of a scenario cinci turned out being for a young qb
great defense, good weapons, not awful run game. sounds an awful like what we were hoping to give locker at some point,
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Well, you called that one early on....
and it appears that you were right.
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by titansfan4ever on Oct 31, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I still think CJ needs to shed the dreads.
maybe if he quits doing that head shake twitch thing he can focus on what hole to hit
Am I the only one creeped out by Bud Adams love for VY?
Lamar Lathon was the shit!
Nerve damage from a car accident that needed surgery
hasn’t stopped him before.
And i applaud him for it, juts like his broken leg in HS
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 31, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
But the dreads being gone would make him faster!!
Less weight for him to carry! Might help his vision too!
to be honest i wonder what he'd look like
i’ve seen a pic of him in college when they were short and he looked overweight. atleast in his college player profile pic
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 31, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
no, CJ
Cj would look weird, kinda like how pacman was when he got his hair cut.
But before he cuts it i wanna see how big his afro would be
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 31, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I know... I was saying... CJ with no dreads would look like...
Pacman?? Get it now?
Myabe give back some of that money
ALOT less weight to run with
by Indiana Titan on Nov 1, 2011 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I had to delete some of my other accounts.... errrrrr.... I mean....?
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I KNEW IT!!!
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by titansfan4ever on Oct 31, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Last time we saw him he was groping some cheerleader....er....uh...
Oh, you mean THAT T-Rac…..don’t know. But not to worry, he’ll be back. Once you get hooked on MCM, there’s no cure.
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by titansfan4ever on Oct 31, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm just going to say, instead of jumping into the opinion massacre above...
I hope this whole issue with CJ is solved soon, for MCM’s sake. Whether it’s giving Ringer a ton of carries, benching CJ, or CJ magically turning the clock back to 2009.
The amount of ridicule for conflicting opinions is reaching 2010’s VY-level status, and a ton of regulars got shunned over that ordeal. I don’t want to see this go the same way.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 31, 2011 3:33 PM CDT reply actions
Ridicule of conflicting opinions.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 31, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Like, persay, your comment up above basically calling the people that don't get right to blaming CJ "apologists".
And the comment you replied to ridiculed an argument that supports CJ.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 31, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
CJ SUCKS!!
That’s not an opinion…..that’s a fact!!
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by titansfan4ever on Oct 31, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
FACT!
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Fiction!
If CJ sucks, then the O-line is suport ing his suckage!!!1
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 31, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Rothbard's back!!
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by titansfan4ever on Oct 31, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Um. Those folks are "apologists". They make apologies/excuses for CJ's shortcomings. By definition, that's an apologist.
No shame in that. I was the resident VY apologist for years.
And, if my responses seem abrasive, call me out. I’m not attacking the readers intentionally. But, if someone makes a statement that I don’t believe is true, I’m going to disagree. If we all agreed with each other, I’m not sure we’d have much to talk about…
And how is this.....
and a ton of regulars got shunned over that ordeal.
different from any other day around here?
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Yeah that's a normal Tuesday 'round these parts...
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I'm at the point where I don't give a damn anymore
Just fix the run game, whether that means you have to sign Jamarcus Russel to run the fucking ball, I don’t care, JUST FIX IT SO WE CAN WIN MORE GAMES!!!1
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by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Oct 31, 2011 3:40 PM CDT reply actions
Is it me or do we just not value the TE position in our offense
Another game, another 2 targets, another 2 receptions for Cook. With the struggles at nearly every other offensive position how is this guy not getting 5 – 10 targets a game. And don’t tell me he is not open. I’d like my chances of him out jumping or out-muscling most LBs over the middle, not to mention CBs.
What's our record?
3 and 3
How'd we ever win 3?

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