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Tennessee_titans_30x21 Chris Johnson's hamstring tightened up in the 4th quarter, which led to Ringer getting the rest of the snaps. (negating my praise on MCM Radio for Munch for not running CJ into the ground with the game out of hand, ala Fisher). Neither CJ nor the team sound like they think it's an injury, and with the bye week coming up Johnson should be fine for the Texans game.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 Hasselbeck's performance on Sunday was marred by a slew of mistakes and miscommunications between Hass and the receivers. After such a hot start to the season, Hasselbeck is taking an unfair beating from a few national analysts who didn't really watch the game, but I expect the passing game to rebound against Houston in week 7.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 Craig Stevens was limited on Sunday, which sucked: if healthy, he would have made the catch that Otto couldn't on that first drive. Otto made a great effort for a back-up OT. With how badly his ribs are hurting, however I doubt Stevens could have adjusted and made the reaching catch.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 Check-out this breakdown of Jonathan Dwyer's 76 yard run from Sunday, for proof that Barrett Ruud is g**damned useless out there. It's time to give more of his snaps to Colin McCarthy, so they can ease him into the starting spot in the same way they did when Ryan Fowler gave way to Stephen Tulloch.

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Tennessee_titans_30x21 Climer urges us to keep this loss in perspective... much like I did on MCM Radio. Just sayin'.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 Anyone who got upset about the Steelers still going deep late in the game is just tossing sour grapes. Sounds like the players (thankfully) agree. They had every right to do it, and it was honestly the most Steelers-like play all game.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 The secondary continued its four game streak of coming up with an interception. The secondary, and the CBs especially, have been the strength of this defensive unit so far. The scheme looked designed to play a little soft yesterday, hoping to prevent the down field passing game that the Steelers usually rely on. If the front 7 had done their job against the run, the defensive performance would have probably been good enough to keep us in contention.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 Paul K goes relatively long-form on the aftermath of Sunday's loss.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 Troy Polamalu's impact was felt throughout the game, but the punch on the ball that prevented Nate Washington's touchdown was a prime example of why he's one of the most instinctive football players you will ever see.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 So one loss on the road to the defending AFC Champion drops us below other 3-2 teams who have proven less, like Houston and Oakland? Makes complete sense, Mr King.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 The Texans are trying to stay afloat while Andre Johnson gets healthy, but that task just got harder as Mario Williams looks to be out for the rest of the year. Williams had already racked up 5 sacks this season before going down to what appears to be a torn pectoral muscle.

Tennessee_titans_30x21 Breaking news: the Houston Texans are still the Houston Texans.

 

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Was Ruud more worthless on that play than Babineaux?

At least Ruud was getting blocked.

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by gramsey712 on Oct 10, 2011 10:53 AM CDT reply actions  

Ya frankly he needs to make that tackle.

Plain and simple, no excuses. Absolutely misread the angle.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gonna go ahead and +1 the sentiments said here.

But also add that Ruud is literally getting crushed on this play. Not really doing much either.

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by natidawg on Oct 10, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm going to make an unpopular statement about Ruud:

I don’t think we should be all that angry with him. We knew when we signed him he was bad against the run, and he’s come as advertised. Yes, its weird our MLB is bad against what should be his main priority, but its not like we expected a Tulloch-like effort against the run. I think/hope Gray will find better ways to use him.

I would also love to know what his leadership is like in the locker room. He was a Bucs captain, and from my limited knowledge of the team, I thought he was a pretty good leader. I think he’s had a positive impact on the team from that standpoint, but that’s obviously hard to prove.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with this; we are pointing a lot of fingers at Ruud for our defensive problems

when the whole defense was a mess, save for our corners… they played pretty solid.
I always hear great things about Ruud’s leadership and ability to recognize plays before the snap. He is clearly over matched in the running game… which is my cause for concern, is his value as a leader/smarts move valuable then how bad his run-stopping capabilities are?

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

No it isn't, at least imo

what’s the use if you, the MLB know it will be a run up the gut and you still get ran over when you meet the RB there?

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

When did that happen?

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by gramsey712 on Oct 10, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

An example that hasn't happened?

“I don’t like Ruud because he gets run over when he hits a running back in the hole.”

“But that hasn’t happened yet.”

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by gramsey712 on Oct 10, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good point

Hate on my brother

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by gramsey712 on Oct 10, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Caught! awkwaaaaaaard....

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hay!

let me hate by myself!! hahaha

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

It definitely DID happen this game because I saw it

Just don’t have the timestamp available currently

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

He met a running back in the hole and got run over?

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by gramsey712 on Oct 10, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dwyer did run him over while he was running sideways after running through the hole

Ruud was just brushed off.
happened in the when the were going left to right on the TV screen.

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you click that link that ADub put up there

Ruud got crushed by the guard. He never had a shot at Dwyer.

If you are talking about the 70ish yard run.

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by gramsey712 on Oct 10, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because he was f*cking around at the point of attack.

He tried to skirt around the defender, and lost all leverage.

They teach this crap at the middle school level. Keep pad level low, and stand up the lineman. He was defeated by the time he was engaged. Had he engaged the lineman, Babineaux would have had a much easier play on the ball, as Dwyer would have had to at least side stepped in the hole. It still could have been an explosive play, but likely not 70+ yards.

by SuperHorn on Oct 10, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't say he made a good play

I was making the point that he did not get run over by a running back in the hole

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by gramsey712 on Oct 10, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

You were right though

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by gramsey712 on Oct 10, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

no its not that one

it was another play, that happened much later

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

YES

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

He met a running back in the hole and got run over?

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by gramsey712 on Oct 10, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

???

/groundhog’d

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

and the Rb was seeminlgy fall sideways or off balance.
ruud put him back on balance and he ran for more yards…
i think Griff made that tackle where he met the RB like a MAN and bulled him back

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

it did happen when he was with the bucs though

but i don’t think i’ve seen it since a preseason game here

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

For our situation, I think that's why our front office went after him.

We had a HUGE leadership void last year. This year, we went after guys with strong leadership abilities (Hasselbeck, Locker, Ruud). Its clear by the 1 year deal he signed that Reinfeldt is not looking at him for the long-term, but rather, someone who can get us through this year ’till we figure out who to use as MLB.

If they were to sign Ruud to an extension, then I’d be worried. Those types of signings need to be based on more than just leadership, and his abilities against the run are terrible.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

If its not Ruud? Witherspoon.

Move him to MLB, and unfortunately move McRath into the starting OLB spot.

My theme of the day seems to be leadership. The MLB is the leader and QB of the defense. I want a veteran in there, someone who’s going to take charge of the team.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

That seems like a lot of moving around when we had the #1 defense 2 games ago...

if it wasn’t for McCoy’s 500+ passing attempts the game before 1 game ago.

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

If we're eliminating both Ruud and McCarthy from my choices,

I don’t know what else to do. I don’t like McRath in the middle.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't like McRath in general.

Stick to whats working. Like I said, we didn’t lose the game because of Ruud… as much as everyone wants to make it out to be.

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hope McRath never ever starts for this team ever again.

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

evaevaevaevaevaevaevaevaevaeva

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by gramsey712 on Oct 10, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

When he's on the juice he's great!

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

move spoon inside

DE’s can play OLB

Put big Hayes there!!

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's worked well for us in the End Zone

:o(

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

did we really do that?

or just drop them back into coverage

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dropped them back in coverage

with the Browns the scored on Morgan.
Yesterday they scored on Klug.

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

They scored on Ruud because he was out of position

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

aka he should have been behind Morgan

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I know, but Capt. Morgan should have never been dropping back in coverage in the first place

IMO

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Meh.

I don’t have an issue with him dropping into underneath zones. He just shouldn’t be responsible for deep zones like two weeks ago. That appeared to be busted coverage though.

Either way, that’s the nature of a zone blitz, and those things are cornerstones for many of the best defenses in the league.

by SuperHorn on Oct 10, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

No I agree; it would have been bad if their wasn't busted coverage

problem is, they don’t look like they are use to playing with these kinds of zone blitz, yet.

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep, especially a deep coverage

i would drop the DE’s back in shallow coverage, for under neath routes, maybe 3-4 yards

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh, no i meant actually putting them at the OLB

like we did Ford late last year vs the colts.

but Ball and morgan had a pass deflection one game like that as well

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

damn

I don’t know how I missed you already saying that

by trevor2013 on Oct 10, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

rennie?

ohh.. that ship has sailed

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

he's bad against the run and the pass

i would’ve kept tulloch because 1/2 is better than 0/2…

not only the play in the links but when dwyer or there other rb just brushed Ruud off while he was running sideways through a hole.

I juts rack the streak up.
5 games in a row that ruud has been run over, some others were in the preseason.

My grandmother said this as plain and simple as it is “Our boys couldn’t hold them, we need to get some bigger guys (on the O-line), those young men juts looked weak and tired. Why can’t we get some big strong men like the other teams have?”

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

The problem is Tully left, it wasn't a matter of keeping him.

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

This seems like a question Jerry Gray could answer.

But I think they chose him over Tulloch because (a) one was more interested in signing here, (b) one is better in pass protection than the other- Ruud’s better, I’m holding to that, © one has better leadership qualities, and finally, and this is important (d) neither is the long term solution to the problem.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, I was addressing the initial Ruud comments.

Our offensive line is a whole entire mess.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

well
(b) one is better in pass protection than the other- Ruud’s better, I’m holding to that

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Based on yesterday

It might be easier to discuss what is not a mess:

1. Quarterback

2. Cornerback (titanwarrior would obviously not agree)

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by gramsey712 on Oct 10, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

and Robby B.

He made the money field goal… that was about it.

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have no issue with the defensive line.

They’re not great, but you have to give them time if you’re going with that much youth on it.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

they played poorly yesterday.

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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't think so...

the ball was coming out to quick to get pressure on most of the pass plays.

by PA-Titan on Oct 10, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

and the running plays?

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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I was reading on ESPN
The Steelers smartly adjusted their offense for their quarterback, who has a sprained left foot. He didn’t hold the ball for a long time and scramble around like he typically does. He got rid of it pretty quickly while benefiting from some max protection that aided a beat-up line.

They schemed around what they knew they were capable of for the day… they played better football and were more prepared for us then we were for them. Bottom-line.

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

The few times Big Ben did hold the ball were on play action.

The passing game part of the loss wasn’t even a quarter as infuriating and letting the f’n Steelers 3-8 lineman and 3-4 tailback slice through you like a hot knife through butter.

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by asbestos_man on Oct 10, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Trying to reach the green from here, Shooter?

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yup

just not there yet

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

there ya go!

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

No Ice it doesn't go pew pew

It’s Bang Bang

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No DD

Robby Bironas goes Pew Pew

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's as simple as Tully didn't want a one year deal with TN

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

And wanted Bo Scaife money!

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NOBODY GETS BO SCAIFE MONEY!!!!!!!!!

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by gramsey712 on Oct 10, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

i thought that too until i watched the last game. it seemed like everytime they threw it in his direction the receiver caught it

by jv1222 on Oct 10, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

how about the entire D line slanting away from the play

That hole was so big CJ could have run thru it…..not a Rudd fan, but he had no chance on that play. However, im sure I can find other plays where I dont like Rudd…so play McCarthy

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by zero defects on Oct 10, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

slants are play calls

so if the coach calls slant, you slant

join me and rothbard on the ruud hate train

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not on the Ruud hate train

But I am on the McCarthy wagon.

So that cancels out Ruud

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by gramsey712 on Oct 10, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

So what GoldenGrams is getting at is... no one should start at MLB

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, McCarthy should start

But not because I hate Ruud

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by gramsey712 on Oct 10, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

But Ruud should not not start because it's not that he's not good?

WHO DO YOU HATE GRAMS?! JUST SAY IT!

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gramsey hates CJ

he remembers the pic.

i hates Ruud, Amano, and Harris

and i dislike Scott

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I love that sentence.

But Ruud should not not start because it’s not that he’s not good?

Exactly

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by gramsey712 on Oct 10, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOGIC!

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Damn, lots of links today

The Climer article has it right The Tennessean has it right though. Were this a close game, or hell, even a game where we could take some things away from it, it wouldn’t be that big a deal to me (and I think a lot of fans). 3-2 is much better than I thought we would be at this point. But this team is obviously better then preseason expectations. They complete collapse on all sides of the ball, in all three phases of the game was absolutely ridiculous.

Go ahead and tease with your “end of the world” pictures and jokes. Yesterday was absolutely horrific, and knocked my expectations of this team back to at best an 8-8 final season record until proven otherwise.

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agreed

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by oilertitan on Oct 10, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

CJ needs to stay healthy so he can be released

/joking
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I agree

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah... so we can trade him!

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by TNTitan09 on Oct 10, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trade would be even better

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Frankly I'm shocked King even had us in the Top 15.

I would’ve expected him to drop us out after a drubbing by the Mighty Towels of Three Mile Island.

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Three Mile Island is in Harrisburg, Pa or on this blog today.

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Acutally, TMI is in Middletown, PA.

I live in Harrisburg and it is about 10 minutes south of Harrisburg.

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gosh darn wikipedia

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by asbestos_man on Oct 10, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I did...

Which goes to show you how much I really pay attention to Pittsburgh (no offense to other residents of PA, I had fun at Hersheytown as a kid).

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HaHa...Hershytown. Never heard of it. :-)

I know of Hershey, PA…that’s where Hershey Park is located and Hershey chocolate used to be made. BTW, no offense taken. Not much to see other than Pittsburgh and Philadelphia.

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I think Hersheytown is the Hershey factory name for their little tourist attraction.

Swear to God I’ve been to that place and it was in Hershey.

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It's called Chocolate World...

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Ah...well then I've been there.

I was a young lad, we stopped on our way to Baltimore.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Oct 10, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, I learned my lesson yesterday.

Never start Matt Ryan unless he’s playing a super bad team. I had Shwabb (who, despite the shitty INT, had 30 points) and Ben (33 points) on my bench. Ryan got me a whopping 8. Of course I was pretty much done when my opponent got big points from BenJarvus Green Ellis and the late Ben to Wallace TD ….

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by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Oct 10, 2011 11:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Not sure what we can fix during the bye week.

CJs hesitance and the O-lines piss poor run blocking haven’t particularly shown that they can improve thus far. Ruud is not doing the job either. We can probably work out some of the kinks in the passing game that showed yesterday. Major changes need to happen for me to think we can even stand with the Texans in 2 weeks.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 11:23 AM CDT reply actions  

What exactly makes the Texans so elite?

They are going to be without Andre and Williams, arguably 2 of their best overall players. Schaub has a history of choking (see yesterday’s game, see Ravens game of last year), Foster is never a sure thing with that hammy, and their defense is still suspect.

Did we suck ass yesterday? Absolutely. But to say we won’t even stand with the Texans in a few weeks? C’mon man. We’ll get it fixed.

They’re still the Texans, afterall.

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by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Oct 10, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have given them 5 games to fix the run problems with both our O-line and CJ.

They haven’t done it. Roethlisberger had everywhere to throw yesterday, and i don’t want Schaub to have the same. We also gave up 100 yards to Jonathan Dwyer, so color me less than confident that we stop Arian Foster.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

The running game is a lost cause this year.

I don’t know what the hell it is, but they just can’t get it right.

We need to use CJ more in the passing game. More screens, more lining him up at WR, anything just to make him earn his damn contract.

As for the defense, I just think it was one of those days. The Steelers were pedal to the metal from the get-go and we just never recovered. It happens. They bounced back and dominated Baltimore on defense, and played pretty well against Denver, and then owned Cleveland. The defense isn’t the most troublesome problem we have to worry about

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by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Oct 10, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't particulary buy into the "Just one of those days" excuse.

CJ couldn’t even get blocking on his screens, either. There is absolutely no reason that our defense should have given up that many rushing yards to the Steelers 3rd and 4th RBs.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

They contained the likes of Ray Rice and Peyton Hillis

Just one of those days. I don’t buy into it as a longterm issue (yet)

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by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Oct 10, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Peyton Hillis was hardly used.

The Browns got behind early and never really ran the ball. We did contain Ray Rice, but what if that was just “One of those days” in a good way?

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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Peyton hillis was held back imo.

and Ray Rice ran over Ruud on his TD

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Then I'd like to see more of those

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by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Oct 10, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am optimistic about the things that give me reason to be optimistic.

Like our passing game, and our corner/safety play.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

CJ's one screen should have been a TD. He had perfectly fine blocking all the way to the end zone

but he juked himself right into Polamalu instead of just RUNNING

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

umm, Polamalu was nowhere near a WR. He juked out Jake Scott

but instead of continuing behind Scott, where he already was, CJ jukes right into a grasping Troy. Harris and Amano already had blown the LBs back 5 yds. It should have been a TD or real damn close.

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah Mr. Head and Shoulders beat Scott, but would have effectively blocked himself

If CJ didn’t stop and as you say juked to darkness.

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by asbestos_man on Oct 10, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you're right if I remember correctly...

I thought there was a WR attempting to block first. Maybe it was a TE and then the OL.

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yeah thats the one i'm thinking of.

but if it happened twice or more times in the same game that makes it worst

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

We can fix the defense.

I expect Gray to straighten things out a bit.

As for the run game, I think we’re screwed. The bye is not going to fix CJ.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

CJ AND our O-line.

I don’t absolve CJ of his own problems, but absolving our O-line would be just as negligent.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, our offensive line is weak.

But they are excellent in pass protection (of which I put more weight on), and they are good enough to get a RB more than 3 yards per carry.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

They have not been good enough to get any of our RB's more than 3 yards a carry.

Everyone loves to shout Ringer because of what he did against the Ravens, but he has also struggled since then.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ringer's had 4.0 yards per carry twice

against Pit and Bal. sooooooo….?

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

He had 3 whole carries against the Steelers with the game out of reach.

Against Balt he had a good 5 carries. Denver he was 6 for -6 yards. Cleveland he was 4 for 4 yards. Thats a 1.7 yard average for the season.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm just sayin' it's still possible with our O-line

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know what you've seen out of Ringer to make you think he will do any better.

He has had a couple long runs inflate his average just like CJ has.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's not what HE will do better, it's what anyone else will do just as good and/or better then CJ right now.

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

But why do you think that?

Clearly Ringer has suffered from our poor blocking just as much as CJ has. Doesn’t that indicate a larger problem?

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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually my bigger problem is; we have a 50 mil dollar running back that is getting the same or less production

then our under 1 mil dollar running back…

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because the majority of negative plays ARE NOT DUE TO BAD BLOCKING

For a guy who proclaims to hate memes, you sure are stuck on one

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll disagree with this.

Plug in a powerful running back and you’d have a decidedly different result, IMO. CJ just isn’t built for inside runs when the blocking isn’t there.

The O-line is playing horribly, but a good, bigger back could turn some of those plays into small positives instead of consistent negatives.

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Physics!!!1111!!!

Force=mass*acceleration.

CJ’s asset is his acceleration, but by dancing around the line, he reduces his total force drastically. A bigger back will have more mass, and could probably match CJ’s low acceleration (at the moment, behind the line- obviously not top end speed).

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Agree with all of this

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY!1!!!1!

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh shit that is right

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, Hal learned me that physics doesn't apply like that to football

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll side with hal on this one.

We’re not talking about vectors in a particle collider. These are humans and there are anatomical consequences to CJ playing like that. Yes, the force is the same, but his frame is too small to take that kind of a beating consistently.

by SuperHorn on Oct 10, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

So what?

He’s got injury guarantees. He’s not worth more than a vet minimum back right now.

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not Madden.

The dude isn’t going to put himself into harms way like that.

I agree about the vet minimum back.

by SuperHorn on Oct 10, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well things aren't going to improve

unless CJ can demonstrate an ability to run through arm tackles, etc. Defenses have caught on to the cutback out the backdoor version of CJ

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Disagree.

Run out of the shotgun more.

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It didn't work this game

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

SSS, but....

(Shotgun) 28-C.Johnson left tackle to TEN 43 for 9 yards

(No Huddle, Shotgun) 28-C.Johnson right guard to TEN 33 for 4 yards

by SuperHorn on Oct 10, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't know which times those are at

But pretty much every play, minus 2, could have gone for at least 4 yesterday

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

But anyways

how does CJ in the shotgun make a difference? He’s just as far back, no?

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

less people in the box, i guess.

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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

He gets the ball quicker.

It forces the LB to react quicker, and allows CJ more time to use his speed.

The time it takes for the QB/RB exchange is time lost that could be used exploiting the obvious lateral mistmatch that CJ presents against defenders. Moreover, teams are less likely to load the box when we’re always in the gun in “11” personnel. You’ll get more nickel looks, and if you don’t, Hasselbeck can check to some sort of hot read. Hasselebeck has been more accurate from the gun as well…

Power backs and Chris Johnson have two entirely different skill sets, yet they are being used in identical fashions. You’ve got to get CJ to the edge, and the shotgun makes that task much easier.

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

he runs through most arm tackles

but the DT arms are like the size of his torso

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

He doesn't run through any tackles

He gets air tackled

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

i have video proof!

well i had it, youtube took it down…

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

From this year?

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

really, youtube took it down??

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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah my highlights

they were 15 mins long, and they took down ATV’s highlight vid too

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah I watched those. This sucks, dude.

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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely.

But I don’t how that affects the point that a bigger back will hit the hole with more force.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Take the beating consistently

but they aren’t running him consistently-style of the Jeff Fisher era. Plus he drops on first contact now… so…

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you think Ringer is that kind of back?

If so, why is he also struggling?

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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know.

Sample size is really low. I’d like to see him get more touches. Ringer ran inside a bunch in college, though.

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Sample size is about a games worth of carries.

with a 1.7 yard average. If he also struggled, would it be all on him or would the o-line finally get some blame from the Cj hater crowd?

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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

OL is not very consistent

CJ is just horrible

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

What makes the OL inconsistent instead of horrible?

Where do you see superb blocking? Is it when Ringer is in? Because the numbers don’t show that.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's called "watching the actual plays"

There is perfectly fine blocking for someone of CJ’s supposed caliber to not get negative plays or turn 10+ yd runs into 1yard gains.

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Give me some examples of "perfectly fine blocking"

On the majority of plays like you claim.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Turn on TV, turn on DVR, press play, skip to running plays

profit

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

See if you don't have any examples then i can't take you seriously.

I certainly saw a lot of terrible blocking jobs yesterday.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you have any examples of CJ doing it right?

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

There were a couple of busted plays

but calling the lack of parting the red sea “terrible blocking” is silly.

I already gave you an example below

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

or was it ruuds' fault?

because the Steelers easily parted the Ruud Sea!!

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lol

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

You want to lay it all on CJ, which is just as silly.

I am already on the record as saying that he thinks way too much about juking and not enough about running forward. But the O-line isn’t doing him any favors.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

What are they supposed to do

if no matter what they do their super-star-too-good-for-everyone-RB won’t run?

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Y U THREAD STALKIN ME SON??

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yo Son!

Its just too easy!

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

What is he supposed to do

When the blocking forces him to have to juke at the line all the time?

We could go back and forth all day.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Run straight

I can do that.

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I'll do it!

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Proove it!

run straight and part the Ruud sea liek everyone is doing on us!!

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

The point is that the blocking is NOT forcing him to do that

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Except the 2-3 COMPLETELY busted plays we have per game.

And the other 5-10 where there isn’t a hole. Sure we have some good ones once in awhile, but you clearly see more quality in our blocking than I do.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Busted play = CJ getting hit pretty much after getting ball

(note, it IS possible for the defense to actually make a play. Not every bust is because we uber suck)

CJ waiting until he sees a 20yd wide hole, and then getting gang tackled for a loss = CJ sucks

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

its called the work better when the can move backwards!

ala pass pro.
but not when moving forward! ala run blocking!

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

not true

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

We all know the O-line is horrible, no one is saying it isn't

what I (we) are saying is CJ is more horrible then the o-line.

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because they all seemed capable last year

with the exact same personnel

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

The same five o-linemen showed up to camp too...

What was one of the variables that changed….?

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have a difficult time saying 'They' got worse

as apposed to THE running back that was too cool for skool to show up to camp…

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

You draw the distinction when there is a plenty big enough hole for the FB to run through

but CJ can’t make it because he’s 5 yards behind his lead blocker, dancing and waiting for the hole to close.

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are the FB and the RB taped together?

Or is it the blocking so good that the hole just stands there waiting for the worst RB in the world to run through it?

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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

?

I’m thinking if the hole is there you want to get to it, and through it as soon as possible. The DL isn’t going to just stand there.

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

exactly.

The hole is moving. Isn´t there the possibility of being open for the FB to run through and already closed when the rb gets there?

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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

The RB shouldn't be that far enough behind

for a hole to close that quick.

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course

but that chance goes up dramatically if the RB dicks around in the backfield and then jogs up to where the hole used to be.

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

actually yes

the RB is usually 2-3 yards behind the FB

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Re: Sample size

Ringer only has 18 carries. A couple of negative plays mixed into limited carries like that can really skew YPA.

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So can a couple of larger plays, which he has had.

I don’t think you can just throw out his struggles as well.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's true.

I’d just be interested to see Ringer given the same opportunities as CJ. Most importantly, a couple of consecutive series to get into a rhythm.

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I'm not opposed to it.

I just think people are somehow expecting instant success from him, when so far that is not really the case.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

No one is expecting instant success

we are expecting average, if that.

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Over time, he said immediate

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

But his stats so far don't show average.

So why are you expecting it? Just because hes not CJ?

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BECAUSE WE'VE PAID HIM 50 MILLION DOLLARS!!!!!!1

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wait, who are we talking about again?

I don’t even know where this thread has gone… it’s too long./

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Because the one horrendous game skews his YPA!

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

So just drop it because its horrendous?

Why is that exactly? What gives him a pass on that? If anything that was the game where all of his carries WEREN’T in garbage time.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

His carries in the Balt game weren't in garbage time

and he scored a TD… since we are nitpicking stats.

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am not the one nitpicking here.

As a whole, Ringer has 18 carries at 1.7 YPC.

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Both of you are nitpicking.

Just cut it out.

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because:

in the other four games he’s demonstrated he can get 3 yards. Now we’re going in circles.

I’d like to point out that Ringer has a 4.1 average for his career as well. That’s not too shabby for a backup.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't give a damn what his career average is.

CJs career average doesn’t matter here, either. What about the other game where he had 4 carries for 4 yards?

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See above.

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CUT CJ!!!!1

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

"inflate his average"

yea to a whopping 2 yards a carry, not hating just saying, God what happened to our run game?

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I'm not supporting Ringer because of what he did against the Ravens.

I’m strongly supporting that we could put any back in the backfield, tell him to hit the hole at top speed, and average slightly over 3 yards a carry.

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It's a matter of physics

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CJ DEFIES PHYSICS!!!!!!

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Cj can Divide by zero!

Only if he has the 2009 O-line!!

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Hal already "disproved" this

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let me manipulate the stats a bit.

I would consider the -6 game a statistical outlier, in that it is extremely rare for a RB to get -6 in a game. Excluding that game, he has 12 carries for 37 yards, a 3.08 average. Now, obviously Ringer doesn’t get to just toss out that game, which is why his average sucks. But unless you strongly believe that Ringer will continue to post negative rushing yards, I don’t see why he can’t post a 3.08 average going forward. And that’s better than what we have now…

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Correct

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

+In

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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Most of his carries were on garbage time, like yesterday.

And the defense tend to be more tired and less worried about 5 yard runs.

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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

So... no credit for good runs?

Didn’t CJ get garbage time runs in the last few games?

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then we should capitalize on that with Ringer.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Go on.

You just need to be 21 points behind.

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He had 3 carries yesterday.

You’re taking one game and applying the situation to all of them, which is simply not correct.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, and you erased his 6 carry performance.

So, if you also want to ignore the 3 carries yesterday, maybe we should look into his college numbers.

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Ringer + college = beast?

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Boom!

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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Look into his college numbers.

You’ll find they’re fairly solid.
Basically, you said Ringer gets all his carries when we’re behind by a lot. The only time we’ve been behind by a lot (> 3 TDs) is this week. That’s 3 carries out of 12, or 3 carriers out of 18 if you include the outlier.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

we´re drifting away from your initial point.

You were trying to justify using Ringer more by comparing his stats to CJ´s.
Of course, Ringer´s stats have a small sample size, so I believe you can´t come up with a solution to the RB problems by relying on such a small amount of stats.

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Can any of us? if the numbers don't exist?

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's steer away from Ringer's stats for a moment.

I firmly believe that I could take any running back, get him to run straight and as fast as he could, and average 3 yards a carry (my initial point.) And that is why CJ is frustrating me. Do you disagree with my statement?

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree with that entirely.

Not with the way our line is blocking.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

The blocking is bad.

But it ain’t THAT bad. We are really overstating how hard it is to average 3 yards a carry.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then why can't Ringer do it?

Hes bigger and thus must be better than CJ.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

he and CJ are about the same weight

we forget that CJ is about 210 after gaining muscle, and RInger is about 215 after he gained muscle too

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

hey, i didn't say it first

he was 200 lbs when he was here.
and they said he came to camp in 2010 with more muscle, 10lbs more muscle

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Answer: He can.

Second part: You’re changing the argument. CJ is definitely better than Ringer in that he can run faster, has proven durable, has hit holes in the past quite well. I’m arguing that Ringer is “different” than CJ, in that Ringer’s ability to take what is there (2-3 yard gains) would benefit us.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

But he hasn't averaged 2-3 yard gains at all.

So what is going to change when he starts vs getting garbage carries?

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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're overusing the 1.7 YPA argument.

When he puts together a string of games like that, I’ll consider it worrisome. Right now, the one bad game you’re killing him on is what’s holding down his average. Every other game he has proven he gets 2-3 yard gains.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Except the 4 for 4 yard game.

But i bet thats an anomaly too.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope. I took that into account.

Its at least a positive number (albeit comically low).

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Look Winni, CJ is not performing. That´s a given.

But the stats will not support your theory that RInger would be doing better if used more. You are just hoping/speculating.

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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Give Ringer more carries, he averages 3 yards a carry.

I don’t see why that’s such a radical statement, but okay.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because he has had 18 carries and has not done such.

So you are eliminating his worst showing (Also was his most carries) and just saying he will do it. The stats don’t particularly back that up.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

The stats don't indicate CJ will average over 3 yards a carry.

What do you suggest we do with him?

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

BOOM

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Finally

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

He hit 3?!

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup. So maybe check the facts first.

Of course i already know you are going to try and throw out the Browns game and say he is terrible.

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He's terrible without throwing anything out

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

come back with that after Ringer gets "starter snaps"

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3.0 yards per carry is still terrible for a 50 million dollar running back

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Oh and! 1 TD

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not arguing that.

Just saying Ringer ain’t the answer.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right. You got me.

How dare I compare CJ’s previous YPA of 2.88 to his current 3.0 average.

My bad.

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Why would you throw out the Browns game/

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

A 100 yard game for CJ isn't an outlier.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is this year

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

This summarizes the flaw in your logic.

http://derp.co.uk/xkcd/comics/extrapolating.png

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who says he can't

Put Ringer in for a whole game and give him CJ’s carries. Then you can say he can’t do it.

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BENCH CJ!!!1

START RINGER!!!!1

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works for me

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's because you want our RB's to go 24 carries for 24 yards

Instead of watching CJ go nowhere for 20 plays then busting a 20-yarder.

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd rather like 24 for >= 75

That’d work for me

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I could do it!

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I´m still reluctant to agree with that.

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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Quick glance at NFL.com stats:

There are at least 40 RBs who’ve had significant carry totals (I just went with anything over 25) that average over 3.0 yards per carry. That screams “average”.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn´t get it. Is Ringer one of them?

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RINGER JUS WINZ!!!!!

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, not with 1.7 yards per carry.

There are 32 teams in the league. 40 RBs average over 3 yards a carry. Therefore, I believe finding a running back that averages over 3 yards isn’t all that hard. Both CJ and RInger can average other 3 yards, but since CJ doesn’t seem to want to take the little gains, I’m willing to give Ringer a look.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

ok, i´m tired. We agree to disagree.

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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

So

What would happen if we started Ringer and then brought in CJ?

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3.08 sucks

That’s Colts territory in the running game. Are we really that bad?

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by asbestos_man on Oct 10, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

No.

We’re worse.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

But at least we've won a game!

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And at least we're not Denver, Jacksonville or any other team

with a first round QB and in the Luck race. I’d be sweating bullets if we had to make that decision.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would hate to be Denver right now.

You’re going to be terrible regardless, what if Tebow starts performing decently?

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Then they'll at least get some media attention.

ESPN would be like “ZOMG TEBOW!!!11”

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An analogy

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all 4 of them?

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Throwing out one would increase his average also.

So if you get to make Ringer look better by throwing out his bad game, why not CJ?

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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Throw out one of CJs bad games and they are still all bad.

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because Ringer's is almost unheard of.

If he puts together a string of -6 games, then obviously its not longer an anomaly. But it is extremely, extremely rare to get a stat line like that. CJ’s stat lines this season are both consistent and common for other backs, mainly the bad ones.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

You really don't have much of a leg to stand on.

So its just so horrible it shouldn’t even be considered?

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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't have much of a leg to stand on?

This from someone supporting a RB who’s had 5 games to show something more than he’s worthy of being on Dancing with the Stars?

Ringer’s game was horrible. But until he does it again, I see no reason why I should consider it likely he’d have the same results.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Winni's all grown up :o(*** tear

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I meant the first line more as a joke, rather than an attack.

I thought it was kinda witty.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm so proud!

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Because your reasoning is "Its too terrible to count"

And that is ludicrous. I already know you personally want to trade CJ, you have from the get go this season. But atleast make some more rational arguments for it.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't want to trade CJ

I just want him to play better

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trade?? Who would trade for this garbage?

I want him to look better than an UDFA or gtfo

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

An extra first round pick would look pretty good right now...

Oh, hindsight.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

They are all bad

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Destroyed by Ngata"

Doesn’t this happen all the time, no matter who is trying to block him?

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

yes

but he didn’t even get a hand on him.
Ngata, swim move it was over after he snapped the ball

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL @ "Ringer hasn't done anything"

He hasn’t had the carries. Give Ringer all of CJ’s carries and he would have more yards. Book it

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

In regardess to the O-line opening up no holes to run through

… I see plenty of one there, where did CJ decide to run to?

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

The whole in the bottom left of the screen...

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

err, bottom right

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know your left and rights... right?

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Err, wait, maybe it's up the middle.

Whoops, hesitated too long. -3 yard gain.

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

the -3 yard hole

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know where he choses

the problem is there was plenty of a hole for him to gain 3-4 yards without trying to juke the LB, instead it was a – 3yard loss

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

What injuries were there? I was watching the replay of game today for a min and looked like griff had got hurt? I havent seen anything tho….

by Dont worry bout it on Oct 10, 2011 11:30 AM CDT reply actions  

The D-Line played just as bad as the O-Line.

No pressure and no hits on Big Ben. Got manhandled in the running game by a bunch of unknown O-liners and a couple of 2nd string RBs.

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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 11:34 AM CDT reply actions  

they played well

Roethlisberger was getting ball out quickly. Morgan had a near-sack, and Casey got a sack. No line is going to get pressure on a 3 step drop when the ball comes out on time. the secondary was giving the STeelers that so that we didn’t get hit by deep passes.

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by August West on Oct 10, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh wait, he had a near-sack?

Is he close to breaking the near-sacks record?
Also, the D-line should hold against the run, which it didn´t.

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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

ok. I am talking about the d line.

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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

breaking news

Roethlisberger is fucking hard to tackle. That happens a lot with him.

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by August West on Oct 10, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

bahaha

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know it does.

But you can´t praise a defender for nearly getting him.
He is hard to get down? Yes.
Did the defender get im down? No.
Failure!

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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait how did they get a sack if there were no hits and no pressure??

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you satisfied with one sack over one of the worst O-line in football??

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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your not recognizing the fact that the Steelers game planned for their terrible line...

they threw quick passes. Your not going to get sacks on 3 step drops! They also had a lot of max protect formations.

by PA-Titan on Oct 10, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

So they are the dumbest staff alive, by waiting years to make that adjustment.

The first 4 weeks, they were sacked 14 times.
If they only knew it was just a matter of planning 3 step drops.

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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dude, are you denying that they changed the game plan...

if you think they’re the dumbest staff, that’s your call. But watch their first 4 games and then watch this one. After that, tell me if they changed their game plan.

by PA-Titan on Oct 10, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I want the miracle of game plan changing to be applied on our run game.

If it´s that simple.
I love our new d-line. They just played poorly.

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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

They definitely weren't the worst OL in the league yesterday.

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was about the time I realized this might not be the Titans day.

Besides stinking up the joint, there were a few plays like the batted INT after the onside kick where you pretty much had to hate the football gods. The opposite of which was the Steeler Wr falls down trying to adjust for the ball bats it up right at Grif who would have had an open field and blockers, but he didn’t see the ball.

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by asbestos_man on Oct 10, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why lose yards on goal line situations?

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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ringer was 6 for -6 yards against Cleveland.

It´s not like he´s going to be LenDale on the goal line.

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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Probably the best option at the goal line.

But he´s unproven.

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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

been saying for weeks

it just doesn’t make sense to keep running out of the big set formations. I don’t think we should abandon under center rund with CJ, but we def should be running out of three and four reciever sets more. Spread em out and see if it works any better, can’t be much worse IMO

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by DuelDukes on Oct 10, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe not "completely"

But I’ve never bought into that “try and run the ball to keep them honest” opinion. You go with your strengths. We are much, much better as a passing team right now.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Eh.

I wasn’t clear with my statement. I’m not saying abandon the run game. I’m saying that CJ should only be running the ball out of the shotgun.

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Wow

You managed to use “pew pew” twice in the same thread for different subjects.

Well done.

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by gramsey712 on Oct 10, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh.

I’m not sure what stance I have on that issue then yet.

My “bold” statement of the day will be then that we should abandon the run for most of the game. 10-15 runs a game would be plenty.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I believe it

Yesterday we saw what it’s like when teams stop committing to stopping CJ the entire game and dare us to throw it…. problem is CJ didn’t hold up his end of the bargain.

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn´t go that far.

But I would certainly incresase the passing plays for as long as it takes to get any RB going.

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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Running under center limits CJ's strengths, which is super human acceleration.

Why give the defense an even playing field by taking so much time to get the ball in CJ’s hands? Get him the ball, and use the mismatch. Let CJ get lateral, which he loves to do, and stop giving the LB’s a head start to react. Hand CJ the ball and let them deal with it.

The disadvantage of running out of the shotgun is that the RB can’t get enough speed at the point of attack. And, if you’re running downhill with a traditional back, that has merit. But, when the primary objective for your back is to get him to the edge, running from under center has little utility.

by SuperHorn on Oct 10, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am just tired of the damn stretch plays

Open a damn hole and run at the hole

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by gramsey712 on Oct 10, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

We apparently don't have the personnel to execute the stretch play

That includes CJ.

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by gramsey712 on Oct 10, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

that’s a pretty significant problem if we can’t execute a damn stretch play.

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by danielreese05 on Oct 10, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Open a damn hole being the key here.

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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

run at the whole being key as well

CJ looks to be auditioning for the next season of dancing with the stars

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by asbestos_man on Oct 10, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ringer is auditioning too.

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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

What's the point of cutting back into pursuit for a 4 yard loss?

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

hoho!!

run into the whole assigned, what if that whole has no “hole” then what then?

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Take 0 yds instead of -4?

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Cj wasn't hesitating

he’d be running into the back of a defender ala Chris Henry.

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by August West on Oct 10, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

blocker > defender

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by August West on Oct 10, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

the back of a defender?

or the back of an o-lineman, or the front of a defender let through by the o-line man?

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

The problem is CJ doesn't go full speed even going lateral.

He is looking to stutter step regardless.

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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

People don't want to hear this right now, but I thought CJ showed improvement yesterday. Or, at least, there were flashes in the 1st quarter.

Let’s not forget that this is the Steelers, still a very good defense despite the absence of James Harrison.

CJ’s stats this game were much better than the matchup last year with Pit, and about equal to the game 2 years ago.

by SuperHorn on Oct 10, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

yep

i already forsaw a bad running game

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree, he's showing improvement

but seriously, the FO didn’t pay him 50000000 zillion dollars to have a learning curve. IMO

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's the way these things work, though.

We have every right to be pissed about it, but this shouldn’t come as a shock. We were kidding ourselves if we thought he’d come into a new offense and not skip a beat.

I have a fundamental issue with paying that much money for a running back, but that’s a different topic.

by SuperHorn on Oct 10, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is true

Just sayin’, Blueprint for why everyone is pissed off… and by everyone I mean me.

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

no way

He’s constantly shifting momentum back and forth.

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think this is anything new.

He’s done this since he’s been in the NFL.

IMO, the difference this year is that he’s not showing the same vision. CJ alway had a tendency to stretch out plays, but he’d also cutback to the backside of the play, which we’re not seeing AT ALL this year. He’s not punishing the defense for over committing to the playside of outside zone and stretch plays like he has in years past.

by SuperHorn on Oct 10, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok, yes

He is demonstrating an amazing tendency to cutback directly into the path of oncoming defenders. D’s are on to his style now and it’s not going to get fixed unless CJ learns to pick a spot and go ludicrous speed.

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Plaid speed is even better

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

CJ's lost a step though

He can no longer hit Plaid

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Personally

I would sign up for more counters, traps, and draws before I start running CJ on Iso and dive every play

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by asbestos_man on Oct 10, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Counter toss, wrap around, CJ on the end around

CJ rb pass, Cj on the wrap around counter, a misdirection

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Put CJ wide more with Harper or Ringer in as RB

Last time they put an LB on him with Safety over the top, which is two men out of the box. Other possible options are CJ in a bubble screen or just throwing him the ball since he is averaging 50 yards a reception when lining up at wr.

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by asbestos_man on Oct 10, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Use the Wrap around!

or the counter toss, thos eugly looking plays worked some how last year.

let CJ throw a pass

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

SH, where is this super human acceleration of CJ's

It’s just not there

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

They should put CJ 2 yards from the line instead of 7

That way he has less room to fuck it up

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Problem solved

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

ohhh Snapp

that formation is Bawse

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought

that Ringer or Harper were pretty big. Even running the fullback might do it wouldn’t it?

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Apparently, Texans fans really hate Jacoby Jones
F*CK JACOBY JONES….go die in a fire you total piece of shit.

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thats their PR

and 2nd or 3rd WR isn’t it?

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup

Him and Shwabb are taking hell today

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by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Oct 10, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Upon further review

Shaub isn’t making it the endzone, but if he throws the ball away instead of scrambling with his 8 second 40 yard dash time, he would have another play.

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by asbestos_man on Oct 10, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, but he should've jumped

it could’ve been Schuabcopter!!

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

best play evaaaa

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This deserves a rec

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by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Oct 10, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

As hilarious as this is...

Shaub would probably be getting only half the abuse if he had made a decision. The rosencopter was a terrible decision only bc they were up by two tds at least.

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by asbestos_man on Oct 10, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

new sig

To the Rosencopter dunna nunna nunna nunna

by asbestos_man on Oct 10, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

The entire team played garbage...

It’s pointless to try and point out people here and there. We lost just get over it hopefully it woke us up and now we can have a good bye week working on our problems!

On a good note* Texans lost so we are still tied for first!

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Did anyone else think Dan Dierdorf sounded like he wanted Roethlisberger to take him to the men's room?

Jebus, I had to mute it before haltime. Dude has a serious mancrush.

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by gramsey712 on Oct 10, 2011 12:10 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Steelers games are hard to watch with the sound on

… and the TV on in general.

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I find the Steelers in general get more praise than anyone else.

“Look how tough Ben is, playing on an injured foot- what a hero”
“The Steeler fans are the best. They wear tons of jerseys to games, probably more than any fanbase.”

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I feel like I am watching WWF games when the Steelers are on.

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

That line about the jerseys cracked me up.

I mean, c’mon. Really? You claim the fanbase is the best because they were a lot of jerseys, which, while still being impossible to prove, is probably not that different from the number of jerseys other fans wear?

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

*Jurrell Casey sacks the rapist*

“how did Ben hold on to the ball?!? whoa!!!”

by trevor2013 on Oct 10, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

As bad as our team looked, my biggest disappointment was our d-line not getting to Ben

Their O-line sucks. We couldn’t get to him at all it seemed like

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by sami426 on Oct 10, 2011 12:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Finally someone agreeing with me.

Huge dissapointment!

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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm just glad a loss like this came right before the BYE week.

So, we have a game where everything that can go wrong DOES go wrong, and it’s all on film. So now, the coaches can take that abundance of film, see what went wrong, and show the players what went wrong.

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 12:50 PM CDT reply actions  

honestly I'm happy we didn't pull off the triumphant comeback only to lose by 3 or 4

this way our coaches know we suck at quite a few things and so does everyone else. I wonder how they will handle it?

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ZOMG CUT CJ0K!!!!!!1

SIGN TIKI BARBER!!!!!!!1

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 12:52 PM CDT reply actions  

I see what you did there.

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

/yawn

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

As for us being under other 3-2 teams

There are analysts, a term I use loosely to describe these people, who will have plenty of 2-3 teams ahead of us as well. Least were better than the Eagles, Colts and Sparkle Kitties

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Meh.

There’s a reason they’re called analysts.

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure we could find the stats somewhere

but it’d be interesting to see what CJ and Ringer got for each and every run. We’ve discussed at length about YPA today, but I’d like to see what each run went for, individually. If you look at both CJ and Ringer’s “long” for each game, and then look at the rest of their carries and yards, neither are really good. But it’d be a worth a look. Certainly would support CJ if Ringer’s got a lot of minus carries on his record this year.

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Thank you, WTF, for allowing that debate to respawn down here.

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Similar to the success rate thing that gets posted every week?

Or am I not getting htat right?

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by sami426 on Oct 10, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You are noticing the pattern too?

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does it list every run?

I honestly don’t remember.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not positive but I would think so

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by sami426 on Oct 10, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well waddya know...

It does. Just searched it.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

A Thanksgiving gift to you from MCM

For the record, it’s Columbus day today. Not Thanksgiving

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by sami426 on Oct 10, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its Thanksgiving!!!11!!!!

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Canadians...

think every American holiday is Thanksgiving.

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Lions are playing tonight...

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by sami426 on Oct 10, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

So

Are we saying that CJ is no good, or do we need a back that will take advantage of the holes that are there?

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We need anyone to take advantage of running straight, hit whatever hole is there full speed.

that’s it.

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, aka running the football

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bingo.

CJ’s not a lost cause (although he may not have much success this year), but I think maybe reducing his carries while he gets his head straight would benefit the team.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Correct, no one is giving up on him (yet)

he just needs to straighten himself out (literally and metaphorically)

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

Let’s use the two big backs we have, and then use CJ as intended; the speed back.

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Smash and Dash!

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by sami426 on Oct 10, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

To summarize the CJ vs Ringer debate:

Year: 2009

CJ goes for 2000 yards and gets into the 2000 yard club: “Javon who?”

Year: 2010

CJ’s 100-yard game streak is finally broken, and he gets 1,300+ yards on the season: “Who’s that Ringer guy that replaced Lendale White? Is he good?”

Year: 2011

CJ holds out, then proceeds to stink up the first 5 weeks of the NFL season: “START JAVON RINGER!!!!!1”

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:15 PM CDT reply actions  

No one has said start Ringer...

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Start Ringer

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

There you go

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

you want to trade CJ and start Harper?

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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope, I just want CJ to get his head out of his ass

and quit dropping the entire blame on the O-line

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's hard to find the whole let alone run through it

when your head is up your ass. find that picture St. Prattrick

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by asbestos_man on Oct 10, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does your Google's not work?

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I chose my searches wisely

this is not one of them…
Try looking up ‘Burn!’

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would be too.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

hard not to drop at least some of the blame on the shittiest run blockers in the business.

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by danielreese05 on Oct 10, 2011 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

60/40!

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Start

Ringer and bring in CJ.

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The trade CJ argument is, unfortunately, dead.

No one is going to accept him.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's why the Cut CJ Movement is having a renaissance

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

CJ has more worth to this team now than anything we'd get in a trade, and it'd sting cap-wise to cut him.

I just think he needs to figure things out, and I’m tired of giving him game time to do so.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

It'd be less of a cap sting to cut him than to keep him and have him sucking

At least you could spend money on production instead of memories. $2m cap savings

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the potential of hitting CJ2K v.2009 is enough to keep him on the roster for a significant time.

Though it pains me to write that statement. As SuperHorn said above, I’m fundamentally opposed to sinking that much money into the RB position. However, now that we’ve got ourselves into this mess, the only possible way to get out without making Reinfeldt look really bad is hold on for a year or two and hope to hit the jackpot.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure he stays on the team

but cutting CJ because he sucks makes CJ look bad, not the FO.

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not really

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, I know...

it was supposed to be sarcastic. FAIL…I realize their only option would be to cut him or pay him.

by PA-Titan on Oct 10, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok... so I am going to ask it, if you were FO/HC what would you do from here on the Bye week into next week?

In a way abandoning making CJ successful and just trying to win games.

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh I like this question....here would be my best guess...

1) Go back to basics with him. He’s got to start hitting the holes. Get in his ear all week and work on some of those basic reads. The holes are there. They’re not as big as they used to be, but they’re there. Skipper has to work with him on that, and I’m sure he has. If he doesn’t get it after the bye, we’ve got a major issue.
2) Start him in title only. He’s got an ego, and it would hurt him if we benched him. Start him, but give Ringer equal if not more of the carries.
3) Go pass-heavy. Munchak said we’re not going to lose our run-based identity- my question to him would be “why not?” Our passing game gives us the best chance to win.

This doesn’t really solve the problem, but it does avoid it or minimize it.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think this is a good start, at least gets us through this season

I was watching the Packers game and kind of using them as a Blueprint for Success right now. Obviously we don’t have the personnel of the Packers offense, but I do think we could start running that sort of game plan. – changing out running backs often and not relying much on any of them.
If passing is our strength and (FINALLY) we have the QB to do it, pass! Running should be our secondary focus only to keep the defense honest IMO

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't understand how everyone is so big on the passing game

yes we finally have a good QB, but other than Hands and Stevens who else can we throw the ball to? Hell CJ is our best bet imo, I would start using him like Reggie Bush until he stops running like him. and yes I know CJ doens’t have soft hands like Bush, but he still had 50 catches one year and doesn’t have stone hands.

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by DuelDukes on Oct 10, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think a philosophy shift needs to happen at this point.

It’s time to start using the pass to set up the run. I know we’re missing Britt, but that means that defenses aren’t going to respect our passing game so will sell out to stop CJ. Start taking advantage of that and pass until they have no choice but to back off.

I don’t know if that will truly help and our running game is likely more flawed than that, but it would only help moving forward I think. Also would take advantage of what the offensive line is actually good at.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Oct 10, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think we saw what happens when Defenses don't sell out on CJ anymore yesterday

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is what confuses me.

We finally have a pass attack and now the run game goes in the crapper? What?

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Titans luck

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

We finally have a pass attack, the run game goes in the crapper,

and we lose Kenny Britt for the season.

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

We can't have nice things.

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm no expert, but we use a zone-blocking run offense right?

Maybe it really is our personnel because I’m pretty sure that’s what the Texans use and they’ve been just fine regardless of who’s doing the running.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Oct 10, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

We run all kinds, so no we aren't a strictly zone running team

SH: Have we been running all these pulling guard plays since week 1 or is it new in the last 2 weeks?

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh, I hate them

Not the idea of them, but just how they work out. It’s not even always Scott/Harris’s fault. e.g. on one of the shotgun runs you listed, Harris pulls and then Cook blocks his guy right into him, slowing him down,thus resulting in CJ hitting him in the ass.

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just went back and watched it.

We pulled the guard only once in week 1. Interestingly, that was one of the few running plays that worked, which may have been why it was implemented more in the following weeks.

by SuperHorn on Oct 10, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh no doubt our o-line is terrible.

Against the run at least. But I don’t care how bad our line is, we should be getting at least average production out of our backs.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

/new-take

Our OL is terrible because we run basically every style of run play there is every game. We need to work on one style and go with it. We aren’t good enough to try and do everything.

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Go back to extremely basic running works better then super advanced running

that goes no where

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

The counter argument would be

that I don’t think our run scheme has changed a whole lot since last year.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Based on.... what exactly?

We don’t have a run scheme. We have a potluck of random running plays. Shit, pick 2, get good at them, and then run them to either side. Woot 4 different plays that work. I’ll take it.

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

perfect!

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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep. If CJ still sucks after the bye, start Ringer fo' sho

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Has CJ looked like the 2009-2010 version to you?

We need to make personnel decisions based on future success, not on who had the best year in 2009. CJ should and will be part of that future success, but arguing that CJ should get the majority of the carries based on his record-setting year isn’t wise.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Has CJ looked like the 2009-2010 version to you?

“CJ holds out, then proceeds to stink up the first 5 weeks of the NFL season”. Did you miss that part?

arguing that CJ should get the majority of the carries based on his record-setting year isn’t wise.

Cool. I’m not arguing that. I’m just summing up how knee-jerk this debate really is.

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

5 weeks into the regular season isn't knee jerk

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, it is.

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why?

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

How so?

It’s over a quarter of the season

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by sami426 on Oct 10, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Knee jerk was after Week 1.

5/16 games through isn’t knee jerk. That’s significant time.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

The whole argument behind the 'We were 3-2 last year, don't get your hopes up." is that our reaction to this year's early success is knee-jerk, just like last year.

So using that logic to say why we shouldn’t get our hopes up about the 2011 Titans is A-OK, but using that logic to defend CJ’s suckiness isn’t?

That’s called a double standard.

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

They are two entirely different things.

Record: You can look at it and see several bright spots after five games.
CJ: You can look at the run game and see….uh….well…you can see CJ running horizontally a lot.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

BREAKING NEWS: CJ dances behind the line of scrimmage

Holy crap, I thought he was like Brandon Jacobs, just running north-south constantly and running guys over.

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can we have Jacobs instead?

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, so he can toss his helmet in the stands.

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure, as long as he runs someone over and scores first

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Because tossing equipment into the stands is totally okay as long as you score TD's.

/VY-logic

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you going to VY pic spam yourself now?

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

You betcha.

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Random Vince Young comment.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did neither of you guys read the original comment?

Or did it just completely sail over yours heads?

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

There was nothing in it to sail over anyone's head

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a yes...

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I mean, we're making fun of Texans fans for turning on Shaub when he's playing terrible.

While we’re doing the same exact thing.

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shaub didn't holdout and then play horrible every single game since the start of the season

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure Texans fans have their own justifications for turning on Shaub too.

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course they would

There’s always a reason. It’s not a random “oh I hate CJ today”

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

You missed the point again.

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

It must have gotten lost in your sig

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, I think it got lost in the word 'Epistemological'.

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

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by sami426 on Oct 10, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

And about ditching pro-bowlers.

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

You think CJ is going to the pro bowl?

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by gramsey712 on Oct 10, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

/words-shoved-in-mouth

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

///amongst other things

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

bwalaolololol

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is still time!!!!

no

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

CJ will have multiple 600-yard games. The Titans will finish the season 14-0 thanks to a tear in the space-time continuum that erases their two losses. Then we’ll proceed to win the AFC and NFC championship games, and play ourselves in the Superbowl.

Then it’ll be a tie, Kuharsky’s head will explode, and Goodell will eat the Lombardi trophy.

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Team wasting a lot of time spinning it's wheels trying to find something that works for CJ

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 1:22 PM CDT reply actions  

*This

“What aren’t we doing right to make CJ successful?” <<<< “Why our WRs can’t run the correct routes?”

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Bigger question about CJ's use in the new offensive scheme.

Why aren’t we using more HB screens? Those have gotten CJ into open space in the past, and gotten him going.

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:55 PM CDT reply actions  

He had one yesterday with blocking downfield

and then promptly danced into the arms of a safety lying on the ground.

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

... 'A safety' meaning Troy Polamalu.

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who blew through the first 2 blocks to get straight to CJ.

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

nope

juked Scott, went to the ground and CJ jumped right to him instead of continuing outside where it would have been impossible for Polamalu to smell him

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps we over emphasized pass blocking in the offseason?

Munchak did promise Hasselbeck we would protect him so that he would play well. Is it possible that we spent so much time on that that we neglected the running game, just assuming it would go well?

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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 1:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Maybe so.

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very possible.

But if that’s the case, I support it.

I would rather be a passing team than a running team. I want to strive to be the Packers instead of the Jets.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

This

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just a regular post game thread.

Rothbard and StPrattrick overreacting is normal stuff.

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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 2:01 PM CDT reply actions  

WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN OVERREACTING?!!!!!!!11111<<<<<<<

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

actually not really at all...

I just think the “it’s everyone except for CJ’s fault” argument is pretty weak.

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

are we the only fake fans here?

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looks like it

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

StPrattrick is not a fake fan.

"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.

by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank God! I was worried this whole time I was.

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, relax.

"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.

by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn´t read any comment saying CJ is playing well.

He needs to get part of the blame, not all of it like you are trying to do.
Maybe it´s because you can´t talk shit about the best Center and Guards combo in the league.

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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

That is because he is not playing well... do you really think he is??

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don´t.

That´s why I said he has part of the blame.
But not all of it.

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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I never said he was all to blame

I’m giving it a… 60/40% fault. 60 CJ – 40 O-line/run plays

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

You. Specifically. It. Was. You!!!!1

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm kidding.

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now we're arguing about what we're arguing about.

This is going nowhere.

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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 2:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Was it ever going somewhere?

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

We were going to hash out all the Titans worries for this year.

Today. Right here.

Let’s get to it guys!

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've got a conference call with Munch and Reinfeldt in 20mins

so we better hurry up. I need to make sure they know the plan!

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Put CJ on Auto-Pilot for 'running straight' set at speed 'Plaid'! ENGAGE!

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Done. 14-2 time biatches!

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

See, how hard was that?

//R-Bored gettin’ it done!

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Real fan to the rescue son

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dude it was proven above that you are not a *REAL* fan,

because only ‘Real’ Fans can hand out those kind of judgments

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

well shit

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bahaha Even Thor is calling out CJ saying he needs to play better in his press conference

Min 6:45

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 7:10 PM CDT reply actions  

No one does

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just read through this whole thread... and

I know I’m late to the party. But i had 3 thoughts:
1. The running issues are definitely attributable partly to CJ and partly to the O-line. As to what percentage of blame each party deserves, I don’t feel that unbiased evidence exists to determine that.
2. Reading through this thread reaffirmed my deep hatred for the formatting used on the site (specifically when enough comments have been replied to that all of the text is displayed in a narrow line down the right-hand side of the webpage) even though I understand that there may not be a better formatting choice (if picking the formatting is even an option)
3. It’s threads like these that get me through boring classes. So thank you to those who contributed their thoughts (however circular they may be)

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