Tennessee Titans Daily Links: Just When You Started Feeling Good... Edition
Chris Johnson's hamstring tightened up in the 4th quarter, which led to Ringer getting the rest of the snaps. (negating my praise on MCM Radio for Munch for not running CJ into the ground with the game out of hand, ala Fisher). Neither CJ nor the team sound like they think it's an injury, and with the bye week coming up Johnson should be fine for the Texans game.
Hasselbeck's performance on Sunday was marred by a slew of mistakes and miscommunications between Hass and the receivers. After such a hot start to the season, Hasselbeck is taking an unfair beating from a few national analysts who didn't really watch the game, but I expect the passing game to rebound against Houston in week 7.
Craig Stevens was limited on Sunday, which sucked: if healthy, he would have made the catch that Otto couldn't on that first drive. Otto made a great effort for a back-up OT. With how badly his ribs are hurting, however I doubt Stevens could have adjusted and made the reaching catch.
Check-out this breakdown of Jonathan Dwyer's 76 yard run from Sunday, for proof that Barrett Ruud is g**damned useless out there. It's time to give more of his snaps to Colin McCarthy, so they can ease him into the starting spot in the same way they did when Ryan Fowler gave way to Stephen Tulloch.
Climer urges us to keep this loss in perspective... much like I did on MCM Radio. Just sayin'.
Anyone who got upset about the Steelers still going deep late in the game is just tossing sour grapes. Sounds like the players (thankfully) agree. They had every right to do it, and it was honestly the most Steelers-like play all game.
The secondary continued its four game streak of coming up with an interception. The secondary, and the CBs especially, have been the strength of this defensive unit so far. The scheme looked designed to play a little soft yesterday, hoping to prevent the down field passing game that the Steelers usually rely on. If the front 7 had done their job against the run, the defensive performance would have probably been good enough to keep us in contention.
Paul K goes relatively long-form on the aftermath of Sunday's loss.
Troy Polamalu's impact was felt throughout the game, but the punch on the ball that prevented Nate Washington's touchdown was a prime example of why he's one of the most instinctive football players you will ever see.
So one loss on the road to the defending AFC Champion drops us below other 3-2 teams who have proven less, like Houston and Oakland? Makes complete sense, Mr King.
The Texans are trying to stay afloat while Andre Johnson gets healthy, but that task just got harder as Mario Williams looks to be out for the rest of the year. Williams had already racked up 5 sacks this season before going down to what appears to be a torn pectoral muscle.
Breaking news: the Houston Texans are still the Houston Texans.
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Was Ruud more worthless on that play than Babineaux?
At least Ruud was getting blocked.
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Ya frankly he needs to make that tackle.
Plain and simple, no excuses. Absolutely misread the angle.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Gonna go ahead and +1 the sentiments said here.
But also add that Ruud is literally getting crushed on this play. Not really doing much either.
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I'm going to make an unpopular statement about Ruud:
I don’t think we should be all that angry with him. We knew when we signed him he was bad against the run, and he’s come as advertised. Yes, its weird our MLB is bad against what should be his main priority, but its not like we expected a Tulloch-like effort against the run. I think/hope Gray will find better ways to use him.
I would also love to know what his leadership is like in the locker room. He was a Bucs captain, and from my limited knowledge of the team, I thought he was a pretty good leader. I think he’s had a positive impact on the team from that standpoint, but that’s obviously hard to prove.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with this; we are pointing a lot of fingers at Ruud for our defensive problems
when the whole defense was a mess, save for our corners… they played pretty solid.
I always hear great things about Ruud’s leadership and ability to recognize plays before the snap. He is clearly over matched in the running game… which is my cause for concern, is his value as a leader/smarts move valuable then how bad his run-stopping capabilities are?
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
No it isn't, at least imo
what’s the use if you, the MLB know it will be a run up the gut and you still get ran over when you meet the RB there?
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
When did that happen?
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An example that hasn't happened?
“I don’t like Ruud because he gets run over when he hits a running back in the hole.”
“But that hasn’t happened yet.”
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Good point
Hate on my brother
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Caught! awkwaaaaaaard....
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
It definitely DID happen this game because I saw it
Just don’t have the timestamp available currently
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He met a running back in the hole and got run over?
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Dwyer did run him over while he was running sideways after running through the hole
Ruud was just brushed off.
happened in the when the were going left to right on the TV screen.
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
If you click that link that ADub put up there
Ruud got crushed by the guard. He never had a shot at Dwyer.
If you are talking about the 70ish yard run.
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Because he was f*cking around at the point of attack.
He tried to skirt around the defender, and lost all leverage.
They teach this crap at the middle school level. Keep pad level low, and stand up the lineman. He was defeated by the time he was engaged. Had he engaged the lineman, Babineaux would have had a much easier play on the ball, as Dwyer would have had to at least side stepped in the hole. It still could have been an explosive play, but likely not 70+ yards.
I didn't say he made a good play
I was making the point that he did not get run over by a running back in the hole
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You were right though
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He met a running back in the hole and got run over?
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Yes
and the Rb was seeminlgy fall sideways or off balance.
ruud put him back on balance and he ran for more yards…
i think Griff made that tackle where he met the RB like a MAN and bulled him back
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
For our situation, I think that's why our front office went after him.
We had a HUGE leadership void last year. This year, we went after guys with strong leadership abilities (Hasselbeck, Locker, Ruud). Its clear by the 1 year deal he signed that Reinfeldt is not looking at him for the long-term, but rather, someone who can get us through this year ’till we figure out who to use as MLB.
If they were to sign Ruud to an extension, then I’d be worried. Those types of signings need to be based on more than just leadership, and his abilities against the run are terrible.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
winni who would you play in ruuds place if we had to play next week
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
If its not Ruud? Witherspoon.
Move him to MLB, and unfortunately move McRath into the starting OLB spot.
My theme of the day seems to be leadership. The MLB is the leader and QB of the defense. I want a veteran in there, someone who’s going to take charge of the team.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
That seems like a lot of moving around when we had the #1 defense 2 games ago...
if it wasn’t for McCoy’s 500+ passing attempts the game before 1 game ago.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
If we're eliminating both Ruud and McCarthy from my choices,
I don’t know what else to do. I don’t like McRath in the middle.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't like McRath in general.
Stick to whats working. Like I said, we didn’t lose the game because of Ruud… as much as everyone wants to make it out to be.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
another option would be moving spoon inside and having McRath take Spoon's place
if McCarthy isn’t ready
I hope McRath never ever starts for this team ever again.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
evaevaevaevaevaevaevaevaevaeva
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When he's on the juice he's great!
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
That's worked well for us in the End Zone
:o(
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Dropped them back in coverage
with the Browns the scored on Morgan.
Yesterday they scored on Klug.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
They scored on Ruud because he was out of position
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Yeah I know, but Capt. Morgan should have never been dropping back in coverage in the first place
IMO
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Meh.
I don’t have an issue with him dropping into underneath zones. He just shouldn’t be responsible for deep zones like two weeks ago. That appeared to be busted coverage though.
Either way, that’s the nature of a zone blitz, and those things are cornerstones for many of the best defenses in the league.
by SuperHorn on Oct 10, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No I agree; it would have been bad if their wasn't busted coverage
problem is, they don’t look like they are use to playing with these kinds of zone blitz, yet.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
yep, especially a deep coverage
i would drop the DE’s back in shallow coverage, for under neath routes, maybe 3-4 yards
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
oh, no i meant actually putting them at the OLB
like we did Ford late last year vs the colts.
but Ball and morgan had a pass deflection one game like that as well
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
he's bad against the run and the pass
i would’ve kept tulloch because 1/2 is better than 0/2…
not only the play in the links but when dwyer or there other rb just brushed Ruud off while he was running sideways through a hole.
I juts rack the streak up.
5 games in a row that ruud has been run over, some others were in the preseason.
My grandmother said this as plain and simple as it is “Our boys couldn’t hold them, we need to get some bigger guys (on the O-line), those young men juts looked weak and tired. Why can’t we get some big strong men like the other teams have?”
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
The problem is Tully left, it wasn't a matter of keeping him.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
This seems like a question Jerry Gray could answer.
But I think they chose him over Tulloch because (a) one was more interested in signing here, (b) one is better in pass protection than the other- Ruud’s better, I’m holding to that, © one has better leadership qualities, and finally, and this is important (d) neither is the long term solution to the problem.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Ah, I was addressing the initial Ruud comments.
Our offensive line is a whole entire mess.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
well
(b) one is better in pass protection than the other- Ruud’s better, I’m holding to that
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Based on yesterday
It might be easier to discuss what is not a mess:
1. Quarterback
2. Cornerback (titanwarrior would obviously not agree)
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and Robby B.
He made the money field goal… that was about it.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I have no issue with the defensive line.
They’re not great, but you have to give them time if you’re going with that much youth on it.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
they played poorly yesterday.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I didn't think so...
the ball was coming out to quick to get pressure on most of the pass plays.
and the running plays?
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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I was reading on ESPN
The Steelers smartly adjusted their offense for their quarterback, who has a sprained left foot. He didn’t hold the ball for a long time and scramble around like he typically does. He got rid of it pretty quickly while benefiting from some max protection that aided a beat-up line.
They schemed around what they knew they were capable of for the day… they played better football and were more prepared for us then we were for them. Bottom-line.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
The few times Big Ben did hold the ball were on play action.
The passing game part of the loss wasn’t even a quarter as infuriating and letting the f’n Steelers 3-8 lineman and 3-4 tailback slice through you like a hot knife through butter.
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by asbestos_man on Oct 10, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Trying to reach the green from here, Shooter?
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
there ya go!
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
No Ice it doesn't go pew pew
It’s Bang Bang
"Munchak was just asked why we went for it instead of kicking the field goal: ’ I don’t want to be the same 3 point team we used to be.’"....WE WIN
I think it's as simple as Tully didn't want a one year deal with TN
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how about the entire D line slanting away from the play
That hole was so big CJ could have run thru it…..not a Rudd fan, but he had no chance on that play. However, im sure I can find other plays where I dont like Rudd…so play McCarthy
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by zero defects on Oct 10, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
slants are play calls
so if the coach calls slant, you slant
join me and rothbard on the ruud hate train
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not on the Ruud hate train
But I am on the McCarthy wagon.
So that cancels out Ruud
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So what GoldenGrams is getting at is... no one should start at MLB
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
No, McCarthy should start
But not because I hate Ruud
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But Ruud should not not start because it's not that he's not good?
WHO DO YOU HATE GRAMS?! JUST SAY IT!
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Gramsey hates CJ
he remembers the pic.
i hates Ruud, Amano, and Harris
and i dislike Scott
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I love that sentence.
But Ruud should not not start because it’s not that he’s not good?
Exactly
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LOGIC!
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
3-2 seems about right no big deal titans sweep the AFC south
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for the rest of the season i meant
by charmando on Oct 10, 2011 10:57 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Damn, lots of links today
The Climer article has it right The Tennessean has it right though. Were this a close game, or hell, even a game where we could take some things away from it, it wouldn’t be that big a deal to me (and I think a lot of fans). 3-2 is much better than I thought we would be at this point. But this team is obviously better then preseason expectations. They complete collapse on all sides of the ball, in all three phases of the game was absolutely ridiculous.
Go ahead and tease with your “end of the world” pictures and jokes. Yesterday was absolutely horrific, and knocked my expectations of this team back to at best an 8-8 final season record until proven otherwise.
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CJ needs to stay healthy so he can be released
/joking
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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 11:05 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I agree
//joking-ish
///actually-not-joking-at-all
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah... so we can trade him!
//not-joking-ish
///deadly serious-ish-ness
Trade would be even better
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Frankly I'm shocked King even had us in the Top 15.
I would’ve expected him to drop us out after a drubbing by the Mighty Towels of Three Mile Island.
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Three Mile Island is in Harrisburg, Pa or on this blog today.
Three Rivers?
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by asbestos_man on Oct 10, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Acutally, TMI is in Middletown, PA.
I live in Harrisburg and it is about 10 minutes south of Harrisburg.
gosh darn wikipedia
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by asbestos_man on Oct 10, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I did...
Which goes to show you how much I really pay attention to Pittsburgh (no offense to other residents of PA, I had fun at Hersheytown as a kid).
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by ronburgundy7427 on Oct 10, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
HaHa...Hershytown. Never heard of it. :-)
I know of Hershey, PA…that’s where Hershey Park is located and Hershey chocolate used to be made. BTW, no offense taken. Not much to see other than Pittsburgh and Philadelphia.
I think Hersheytown is the Hershey factory name for their little tourist attraction.
Swear to God I’ve been to that place and it was in Hershey.
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It's called Chocolate World...
The song goes: Hers-hey’s Choc-o-lit, Hershey’s Choc-o-lit, Hersh-ey’s Choc-o-lit wooooorld…
Ah...well then I've been there.
I was a young lad, we stopped on our way to Baltimore.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Oct 10, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, I learned my lesson yesterday.
Never start Matt Ryan unless he’s playing a super bad team. I had Shwabb (who, despite the shitty INT, had 30 points) and Ben (33 points) on my bench. Ryan got me a whopping 8. Of course I was pretty much done when my opponent got big points from BenJarvus Green Ellis and the late Ben to Wallace TD ….
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by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Oct 10, 2011 11:17 AM CDT reply actions
Not sure what we can fix during the bye week.
CJs hesitance and the O-lines piss poor run blocking haven’t particularly shown that they can improve thus far. Ruud is not doing the job either. We can probably work out some of the kinks in the passing game that showed yesterday. Major changes need to happen for me to think we can even stand with the Texans in 2 weeks.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 11:23 AM CDT reply actions
What exactly makes the Texans so elite?
They are going to be without Andre and Williams, arguably 2 of their best overall players. Schaub has a history of choking (see yesterday’s game, see Ravens game of last year), Foster is never a sure thing with that hammy, and their defense is still suspect.
Did we suck ass yesterday? Absolutely. But to say we won’t even stand with the Texans in a few weeks? C’mon man. We’ll get it fixed.
They’re still the Texans, afterall.
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by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Oct 10, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I have given them 5 games to fix the run problems with both our O-line and CJ.
They haven’t done it. Roethlisberger had everywhere to throw yesterday, and i don’t want Schaub to have the same. We also gave up 100 yards to Jonathan Dwyer, so color me less than confident that we stop Arian Foster.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
The running game is a lost cause this year.
I don’t know what the hell it is, but they just can’t get it right.
We need to use CJ more in the passing game. More screens, more lining him up at WR, anything just to make him earn his damn contract.
As for the defense, I just think it was one of those days. The Steelers were pedal to the metal from the get-go and we just never recovered. It happens. They bounced back and dominated Baltimore on defense, and played pretty well against Denver, and then owned Cleveland. The defense isn’t the most troublesome problem we have to worry about
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by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Oct 10, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't particulary buy into the "Just one of those days" excuse.
CJ couldn’t even get blocking on his screens, either. There is absolutely no reason that our defense should have given up that many rushing yards to the Steelers 3rd and 4th RBs.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
They contained the likes of Ray Rice and Peyton Hillis
Just one of those days. I don’t buy into it as a longterm issue (yet)
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by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Oct 10, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Peyton Hillis was hardly used.
The Browns got behind early and never really ran the ball. We did contain Ray Rice, but what if that was just “One of those days” in a good way?
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
Peyton hillis was held back imo.
and Ray Rice ran over Ruud on his TD
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Then I'd like to see more of those
WHY SO NEGATIVE?!?!? Ultimately we can’t do shit about it, it’s up to the players and coaches to fix the mistakes and if they can’t, it’ll show. I tend to believe this game was just one of those days where we played a good football team desperate for a win in their house and they came out firing and we weren’t ready. HOPEFULLY it doesn’t happen again.
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by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Oct 10, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I am optimistic about the things that give me reason to be optimistic.
Like our passing game, and our corner/safety play.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
CJ's one screen should have been a TD. He had perfectly fine blocking all the way to the end zone
but he juked himself right into Polamalu instead of just RUNNING
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No, polamalu ran through a WR block and 1 or 2 OL blockers
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
umm, Polamalu was nowhere near a WR. He juked out Jake Scott
but instead of continuing behind Scott, where he already was, CJ jukes right into a grasping Troy. Harris and Amano already had blown the LBs back 5 yds. It should have been a TD or real damn close.
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Yeah Mr. Head and Shoulders beat Scott, but would have effectively blocked himself
If CJ didn’t stop and as you say juked to darkness.
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by asbestos_man on Oct 10, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
i must be thinking of the one were ike taylor did the same thing then, if so
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you're right if I remember correctly...
I thought there was a WR attempting to block first. Maybe it was a TE and then the OL.
yeah thats the one i'm thinking of.
but if it happened twice or more times in the same game that makes it worst
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
We can fix the defense.
I expect Gray to straighten things out a bit.
As for the run game, I think we’re screwed. The bye is not going to fix CJ.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
CJ AND our O-line.
I don’t absolve CJ of his own problems, but absolving our O-line would be just as negligent.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, our offensive line is weak.
But they are excellent in pass protection (of which I put more weight on), and they are good enough to get a RB more than 3 yards per carry.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
They are good moving backwards but not forwards?
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Basically.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
What about the plays where the are moving forward and CJ still stutter steps for a loss?
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They have not been good enough to get any of our RB's more than 3 yards a carry.
Everyone loves to shout Ringer because of what he did against the Ravens, but he has also struggled since then.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Ringer's had 4.0 yards per carry twice
against Pit and Bal. sooooooo….?
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
He had 3 whole carries against the Steelers with the game out of reach.
Against Balt he had a good 5 carries. Denver he was 6 for -6 yards. Cleveland he was 4 for 4 yards. Thats a 1.7 yard average for the season.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm just sayin' it's still possible with our O-line
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't know what you've seen out of Ringer to make you think he will do any better.
He has had a couple long runs inflate his average just like CJ has.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
It's not what HE will do better, it's what anyone else will do just as good and/or better then CJ right now.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
But why do you think that?
Clearly Ringer has suffered from our poor blocking just as much as CJ has. Doesn’t that indicate a larger problem?
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually my bigger problem is; we have a 50 mil dollar running back that is getting the same or less production
then our under 1 mil dollar running back…
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
You can have an issue with the pay, but i highly doubt, based on the run blocking, that any other RB is going to do significantly better.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Because the majority of negative plays ARE NOT DUE TO BAD BLOCKING
For a guy who proclaims to hate memes, you sure are stuck on one
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I'll disagree with this.
Plug in a powerful running back and you’d have a decidedly different result, IMO. CJ just isn’t built for inside runs when the blocking isn’t there.
The O-line is playing horribly, but a good, bigger back could turn some of those plays into small positives instead of consistent negatives.
by SuperHorn on Oct 10, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Physics!!!1111!!!
Force=mass*acceleration.
CJ’s asset is his acceleration, but by dancing around the line, he reduces his total force drastically. A bigger back will have more mass, and could probably match CJ’s low acceleration (at the moment, behind the line- obviously not top end speed).
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree with all of this
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY!1!!!1!
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Oh shit that is right
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
No, Hal learned me that physics doesn't apply like that to football
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I'll side with hal on this one.
We’re not talking about vectors in a particle collider. These are humans and there are anatomical consequences to CJ playing like that. Yes, the force is the same, but his frame is too small to take that kind of a beating consistently.
So what?
He’s got injury guarantees. He’s not worth more than a vet minimum back right now.
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It's not Madden.
The dude isn’t going to put himself into harms way like that.
I agree about the vet minimum back.
Well things aren't going to improve
unless CJ can demonstrate an ability to run through arm tackles, etc. Defenses have caught on to the cutback out the backdoor version of CJ
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It didn't work this game
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SSS, but....
(Shotgun) 28-C.Johnson left tackle to TEN 43 for 9 yards
(No Huddle, Shotgun) 28-C.Johnson right guard to TEN 33 for 4 yards
Don't know which times those are at
But pretty much every play, minus 2, could have gone for at least 4 yesterday
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But anyways
how does CJ in the shotgun make a difference? He’s just as far back, no?
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less people in the box, i guess.
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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
He gets the ball quicker.
It forces the LB to react quicker, and allows CJ more time to use his speed.
The time it takes for the QB/RB exchange is time lost that could be used exploiting the obvious lateral mistmatch that CJ presents against defenders. Moreover, teams are less likely to load the box when we’re always in the gun in “11” personnel. You’ll get more nickel looks, and if you don’t, Hasselbeck can check to some sort of hot read. Hasselebeck has been more accurate from the gun as well…
Power backs and Chris Johnson have two entirely different skill sets, yet they are being used in identical fashions. You’ve got to get CJ to the edge, and the shotgun makes that task much easier.
by SuperHorn on Oct 10, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He doesn't run through any tackles
He gets air tackled
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really, youtube took it down??
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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah my highlights
they were 15 mins long, and they took down ATV’s highlight vid too
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah I watched those. This sucks, dude.
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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Absolutely.
But I don’t how that affects the point that a bigger back will hit the hole with more force.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
So then we should expect a different back to have more success in the system.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Take the beating consistently
but they aren’t running him consistently-style of the Jeff Fisher era. Plus he drops on first contact now… so…
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you think Ringer is that kind of back?
If so, why is he also struggling?
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know.
Sample size is really low. I’d like to see him get more touches. Ringer ran inside a bunch in college, though.
Sample size is about a games worth of carries.
with a 1.7 yard average. If he also struggled, would it be all on him or would the o-line finally get some blame from the Cj hater crowd?
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
OL is not very consistent
CJ is just horrible
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What makes the OL inconsistent instead of horrible?
Where do you see superb blocking? Is it when Ringer is in? Because the numbers don’t show that.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
It's called "watching the actual plays"
There is perfectly fine blocking for someone of CJ’s supposed caliber to not get negative plays or turn 10+ yd runs into 1yard gains.
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Give me some examples of "perfectly fine blocking"
On the majority of plays like you claim.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Turn on TV, turn on DVR, press play, skip to running plays
profit
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See if you don't have any examples then i can't take you seriously.
I certainly saw a lot of terrible blocking jobs yesterday.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you have any examples of CJ doing it right?
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
There were a couple of busted plays
but calling the lack of parting the red sea “terrible blocking” is silly.
I already gave you an example below
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You want to lay it all on CJ, which is just as silly.
I am already on the record as saying that he thinks way too much about juking and not enough about running forward. But the O-line isn’t doing him any favors.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
What are they supposed to do
if no matter what they do their super-star-too-good-for-everyone-RB won’t run?
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Y U THREAD STALKIN ME SON??
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What is he supposed to do
When the blocking forces him to have to juke at the line all the time?
We could go back and forth all day.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Run straight
I can do that.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll do it!
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
The point is that the blocking is NOT forcing him to do that
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Except the 2-3 COMPLETELY busted plays we have per game.
And the other 5-10 where there isn’t a hole. Sure we have some good ones once in awhile, but you clearly see more quality in our blocking than I do.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Busted play = CJ getting hit pretty much after getting ball
(note, it IS possible for the defense to actually make a play. Not every bust is because we uber suck)
CJ waiting until he sees a 20yd wide hole, and then getting gang tackled for a loss = CJ sucks
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its called the work better when the can move backwards!
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
We all know the O-line is horrible, no one is saying it isn't
what I (we) are saying is CJ is more horrible then the o-line.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
And I'm asking where you can draw the distinction when CJ relies so heavily on the O-line.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Because they all seemed capable last year
with the exact same personnel
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
The same five o-linemen showed up to camp too...
What was one of the variables that changed….?
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
There is no reason that they couldn't have gotten worse.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I have a difficult time saying 'They' got worse
as apposed to THE running back that was too cool for skool to show up to camp…
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
You draw the distinction when there is a plenty big enough hole for the FB to run through
but CJ can’t make it because he’s 5 yards behind his lead blocker, dancing and waiting for the hole to close.
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Are the FB and the RB taped together?
Or is it the blocking so good that the hole just stands there waiting for the worst RB in the world to run through it?
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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
?
I’m thinking if the hole is there you want to get to it, and through it as soon as possible. The DL isn’t going to just stand there.
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exactly.
The hole is moving. Isn´t there the possibility of being open for the FB to run through and already closed when the rb gets there?
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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
The RB shouldn't be that far enough behind
for a hole to close that quick.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
The play in question he is an easy 5 yards behind and "running"
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Re: Sample size
Ringer only has 18 carries. A couple of negative plays mixed into limited carries like that can really skew YPA.
So can a couple of larger plays, which he has had.
I don’t think you can just throw out his struggles as well.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
That's true.
I’d just be interested to see Ringer given the same opportunities as CJ. Most importantly, a couple of consecutive series to get into a rhythm.
I'm not opposed to it.
I just think people are somehow expecting instant success from him, when so far that is not really the case.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
No one is expecting instant success
we are expecting average, if that.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
yes, i am expecting an upgrade over time
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Over time, he said immediate
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
But his stats so far don't show average.
So why are you expecting it? Just because hes not CJ?
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
BECAUSE WE'VE PAID HIM 50 MILLION DOLLARS!!!!!!1
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
wait, who are we talking about again?
I don’t even know where this thread has gone… it’s too long./
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I meant why do you expect average from Ringer when he is averaging 1.7 YPC in alot of garbage time?
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Because the one horrendous game skews his YPA!
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
So just drop it because its horrendous?
Why is that exactly? What gives him a pass on that? If anything that was the game where all of his carries WEREN’T in garbage time.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
His carries in the Balt game weren't in garbage time
and he scored a TD… since we are nitpicking stats.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I am not the one nitpicking here.
As a whole, Ringer has 18 carries at 1.7 YPC.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Both of you are nitpicking.
Just cut it out.
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Because:
in the other four games he’s demonstrated he can get 3 yards. Now we’re going in circles.
I’d like to point out that Ringer has a 4.1 average for his career as well. That’s not too shabby for a backup.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't give a damn what his career average is.
CJs career average doesn’t matter here, either. What about the other game where he had 4 carries for 4 yards?
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See above.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
CUT CJ!!!!1
SIGN TIKI BARBER!!!1 HE’LL KNOW HOW TO HIT THE HOLES AND GET CONSISTENT 1 YARD GAINS!!!1
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
"inflate his average"
yea to a whopping 2 yards a carry, not hating just saying, God what happened to our run game?
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I’m strongly supporting that we could put any back in the backfield, tell him to hit the hole at top speed, and average slightly over 3 yards a carry.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
It's a matter of physics
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Hal already "disproved" this
Different mechanics applies to human anatomy
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Do you think Ringer has done that? Because he has 1.7 yards per carry.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Let me manipulate the stats a bit.
I would consider the -6 game a statistical outlier, in that it is extremely rare for a RB to get -6 in a game. Excluding that game, he has 12 carries for 37 yards, a 3.08 average. Now, obviously Ringer doesn’t get to just toss out that game, which is why his average sucks. But unless you strongly believe that Ringer will continue to post negative rushing yards, I don’t see why he can’t post a 3.08 average going forward. And that’s better than what we have now…
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Most of his carries were on garbage time, like yesterday.
And the defense tend to be more tired and less worried about 5 yard runs.
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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
So... no credit for good runs?
Didn’t CJ get garbage time runs in the last few games?
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Then we should capitalize on that with Ringer.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Go on.
You just need to be 21 points behind.
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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
He had 3 carries yesterday.
You’re taking one game and applying the situation to all of them, which is simply not correct.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, and you erased his 6 carry performance.
So, if you also want to ignore the 3 carries yesterday, maybe we should look into his college numbers.
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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Ringer + college = beast?
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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Look into his college numbers.
You’ll find they’re fairly solid.
Basically, you said Ringer gets all his carries when we’re behind by a lot. The only time we’ve been behind by a lot (> 3 TDs) is this week. That’s 3 carries out of 12, or 3 carriers out of 18 if you include the outlier.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
we´re drifting away from your initial point.
You were trying to justify using Ringer more by comparing his stats to CJ´s.
Of course, Ringer´s stats have a small sample size, so I believe you can´t come up with a solution to the RB problems by relying on such a small amount of stats.
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Can any of us? if the numbers don't exist?
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's steer away from Ringer's stats for a moment.
I firmly believe that I could take any running back, get him to run straight and as fast as he could, and average 3 yards a carry (my initial point.) And that is why CJ is frustrating me. Do you disagree with my statement?
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree with that entirely.
Not with the way our line is blocking.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
The blocking is bad.
But it ain’t THAT bad. We are really overstating how hard it is to average 3 yards a carry.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Then why can't Ringer do it?
Hes bigger and thus must be better than CJ.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
he and CJ are about the same weight
we forget that CJ is about 210 after gaining muscle, and RInger is about 215 after he gained muscle too
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
hey, i didn't say it first
he was 200 lbs when he was here.
and they said he came to camp in 2010 with more muscle, 10lbs more muscle
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Answer: He can.
Second part: You’re changing the argument. CJ is definitely better than Ringer in that he can run faster, has proven durable, has hit holes in the past quite well. I’m arguing that Ringer is “different” than CJ, in that Ringer’s ability to take what is there (2-3 yard gains) would benefit us.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
But he hasn't averaged 2-3 yard gains at all.
So what is going to change when he starts vs getting garbage carries?
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
You're overusing the 1.7 YPA argument.
When he puts together a string of games like that, I’ll consider it worrisome. Right now, the one bad game you’re killing him on is what’s holding down his average. Every other game he has proven he gets 2-3 yard gains.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Except the 4 for 4 yard game.
But i bet thats an anomaly too.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope. I took that into account.
Its at least a positive number (albeit comically low).
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Look Winni, CJ is not performing. That´s a given.
But the stats will not support your theory that RInger would be doing better if used more. You are just hoping/speculating.
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Give Ringer more carries, he averages 3 yards a carry.
I don’t see why that’s such a radical statement, but okay.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Because he has had 18 carries and has not done such.
So you are eliminating his worst showing (Also was his most carries) and just saying he will do it. The stats don’t particularly back that up.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
The stats don't indicate CJ will average over 3 yards a carry.
What do you suggest we do with him?
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Too bad he is averaging precisely 3 yards a carry this season.
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He hit 3?!
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Yup. So maybe check the facts first.
Of course i already know you are going to try and throw out the Browns game and say he is terrible.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
He's terrible without throwing anything out
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
come back with that after Ringer gets "starter snaps"
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I'm not arguing that.
Just saying Ringer ain’t the answer.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
You're right. You got me.
How dare I compare CJ’s previous YPA of 2.88 to his current 3.0 average.
My bad.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Go ahead and tell me to throw out the Browns game.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Why would you throw out the Browns game/
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
The same reason you throw out Denver for Ringer.
To fit your argument.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
A 100 yard game for CJ isn't an outlier.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
This summarizes the flaw in your logic.
http://derp.co.uk/xkcd/comics/extrapolating.png
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Who says he can't
Put Ringer in for a whole game and give him CJ’s carries. Then you can say he can’t do it.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
That's because you want our RB's to go 24 carries for 24 yards
Instead of watching CJ go nowhere for 20 plays then busting a 20-yarder.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather like 24 for >= 75
That’d work for me
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I´m still reluctant to agree with that.
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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Quick glance at NFL.com stats:
There are at least 40 RBs who’ve had significant carry totals (I just went with anything over 25) that average over 3.0 yards per carry. That screams “average”.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn´t get it. Is Ringer one of them?
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RINGER JUS WINZ!!!!!
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
No, not with 1.7 yards per carry.
There are 32 teams in the league. 40 RBs average over 3 yards a carry. Therefore, I believe finding a running back that averages over 3 yards isn’t all that hard. Both CJ and RInger can average other 3 yards, but since CJ doesn’t seem to want to take the little gains, I’m willing to give Ringer a look.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
ok, i´m tired. We agree to disagree.
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3.08 sucks
That’s Colts territory in the running game. Are we really that bad?
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by asbestos_man on Oct 10, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
No.
We’re worse.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
But at least we've won a game!
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And at least we're not Denver, Jacksonville or any other team
with a first round QB and in the Luck race. I’d be sweating bullets if we had to make that decision.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I would hate to be Denver right now.
You’re going to be terrible regardless, what if Tebow starts performing decently?
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by ronburgundy7427 on Oct 10, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Then they'll at least get some media attention.
ESPN would be like “ZOMG TEBOW!!!11”
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by asbestos_man on Oct 10, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Do we get to throw out CJ's worst game too?
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
all 4 of them?
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Throwing out one would increase his average also.
So if you get to make Ringer look better by throwing out his bad game, why not CJ?
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Throw out one of CJs bad games and they are still all bad.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Because Ringer's is almost unheard of.
If he puts together a string of -6 games, then obviously its not longer an anomaly. But it is extremely, extremely rare to get a stat line like that. CJ’s stat lines this season are both consistent and common for other backs, mainly the bad ones.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
You really don't have much of a leg to stand on.
So its just so horrible it shouldn’t even be considered?
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't have much of a leg to stand on?
This from someone supporting a RB who’s had 5 games to show something more than he’s worthy of being on Dancing with the Stars?
Ringer’s game was horrible. But until he does it again, I see no reason why I should consider it likely he’d have the same results.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Winni's all grown up :o(*** tear
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I meant the first line more as a joke, rather than an attack.
I thought it was kinda witty.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm so proud!

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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Because your reasoning is "Its too terrible to count"
And that is ludicrous. I already know you personally want to trade CJ, you have from the get go this season. But atleast make some more rational arguments for it.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't want to trade CJ
I just want him to play better
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Trade?? Who would trade for this garbage?
I want him to look better than an UDFA or gtfo
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An extra first round pick would look pretty good right now...
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
even on that touchdown look and see who misses a block and is laying
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
"Destroyed by Ngata"
Doesn’t this happen all the time, no matter who is trying to block him?
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL @ "Ringer hasn't done anything"
He hasn’t had the carries. Give Ringer all of CJ’s carries and he would have more yards. Book it
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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
In regardess to the O-line opening up no holes to run through
… I see plenty of one there, where did CJ decide to run to?

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
The whole in the bottom left of the screen...
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Left...wait, right!
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Err, wait, maybe it's up the middle.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I know where he choses
the problem is there was plenty of a hole for him to gain 3-4 yards without trying to juke the LB, instead it was a – 3yard loss
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
What injuries were there? I was watching the replay of game today for a min and looked like griff had got hurt? I havent seen anything tho….
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The D-Line played just as bad as the O-Line.
No pressure and no hits on Big Ben. Got manhandled in the running game by a bunch of unknown O-liners and a couple of 2nd string RBs.
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they played well
Roethlisberger was getting ball out quickly. Morgan had a near-sack, and Casey got a sack. No line is going to get pressure on a 3 step drop when the ball comes out on time. the secondary was giving the STeelers that so that we didn’t get hit by deep passes.
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by August West on Oct 10, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh wait, he had a near-sack?
Is he close to breaking the near-sacks record?
Also, the D-line should hold against the run, which it didn´t.
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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
ok. I am talking about the d line.
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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
breaking news
Roethlisberger is fucking hard to tackle. That happens a lot with him.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I know it does.
But you can´t praise a defender for nearly getting him.
He is hard to get down? Yes.
Did the defender get im down? No.
Failure!
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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait how did they get a sack if there were no hits and no pressure??
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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Your not recognizing the fact that the Steelers game planned for their terrible line...
they threw quick passes. Your not going to get sacks on 3 step drops! They also had a lot of max protect formations.
So they are the dumbest staff alive, by waiting years to make that adjustment.
The first 4 weeks, they were sacked 14 times.
If they only knew it was just a matter of planning 3 step drops.
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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Dude, are you denying that they changed the game plan...
if you think they’re the dumbest staff, that’s your call. But watch their first 4 games and then watch this one. After that, tell me if they changed their game plan.
I want the miracle of game plan changing to be applied on our run game.
If it´s that simple.
I love our new d-line. They just played poorly.
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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
They definitely weren't the worst OL in the league yesterday.
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
That was about the time I realized this might not be the Titans day.
Besides stinking up the joint, there were a few plays like the batted INT after the onside kick where you pretty much had to hate the football gods. The opposite of which was the Steeler Wr falls down trying to adjust for the ball bats it up right at Grif who would have had an open field and blockers, but he didn’t see the ball.
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by asbestos_man on Oct 10, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I think this team should completely abandon running the ball from under center, save for goal line situations.
Thoughts?
Why lose yards on goal line situations?
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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Ringer was 6 for -6 yards against Cleveland.
It´s not like he´s going to be LenDale on the goal line.
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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Probably the best option at the goal line.
But he´s unproven.
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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
been saying for weeks
it just doesn’t make sense to keep running out of the big set formations. I don’t think we should abandon under center rund with CJ, but we def should be running out of three and four reciever sets more. Spread em out and see if it works any better, can’t be much worse IMO
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Maybe not "completely"
But I’ve never bought into that “try and run the ball to keep them honest” opinion. You go with your strengths. We are much, much better as a passing team right now.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Eh.
I wasn’t clear with my statement. I’m not saying abandon the run game. I’m saying that CJ should only be running the ball out of the shotgun.
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You managed to use “pew pew” twice in the same thread for different subjects.
Well done.
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Oh.
I’m not sure what stance I have on that issue then yet.
My “bold” statement of the day will be then that we should abandon the run for most of the game. 10-15 runs a game would be plenty.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I believe it
Yesterday we saw what it’s like when teams stop committing to stopping CJ the entire game and dare us to throw it…. problem is CJ didn’t hold up his end of the bargain.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn´t go that far.
But I would certainly incresase the passing plays for as long as it takes to get any RB going.
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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Until they show that they can 1. Block any defender on the field. and 2. Have our RB actually explode at the point of attack
I see no reason to run the ball at all.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Running under center limits CJ's strengths, which is super human acceleration.
Why give the defense an even playing field by taking so much time to get the ball in CJ’s hands? Get him the ball, and use the mismatch. Let CJ get lateral, which he loves to do, and stop giving the LB’s a head start to react. Hand CJ the ball and let them deal with it.
The disadvantage of running out of the shotgun is that the RB can’t get enough speed at the point of attack. And, if you’re running downhill with a traditional back, that has merit. But, when the primary objective for your back is to get him to the edge, running from under center has little utility.
I am just tired of the damn stretch plays
Open a damn hole and run at the hole
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We apparently don't have the personnel to execute the stretch play
That includes CJ.
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We apparently do not have the personnel to execute the stretch play
That includes CJ.
that’s a pretty significant problem if we can’t execute a damn stretch play.
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Open a damn hole being the key here.
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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
run at the whole being key as well
CJ looks to be auditioning for the next season of dancing with the stars
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by asbestos_man on Oct 10, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Ringer is auditioning too.
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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
but if you run at the whole being keyed then you can't cut back
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
What's the point of cutting back into pursuit for a 4 yard loss?
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by rothbard on Oct 10, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
hoho!!
run into the whole assigned, what if that whole has no “hole” then what then?
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Take 0 yds instead of -4?
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If Cj wasn't hesitating
he’d be running into the back of a defender ala Chris Henry.
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by August West on Oct 10, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
blocker > defender
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by August West on Oct 10, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
the back of a defender?
or the back of an o-lineman, or the front of a defender let through by the o-line man?
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
The problem is CJ doesn't go full speed even going lateral.
He is looking to stutter step regardless.
Ain't no time for hesitatin'
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
People don't want to hear this right now, but I thought CJ showed improvement yesterday. Or, at least, there were flashes in the 1st quarter.
Let’s not forget that this is the Steelers, still a very good defense despite the absence of James Harrison.
CJ’s stats this game were much better than the matchup last year with Pit, and about equal to the game 2 years ago.
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I agree, he's showing improvement
but seriously, the FO didn’t pay him 50000000 zillion dollars to have a learning curve. IMO
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
It's the way these things work, though.
We have every right to be pissed about it, but this shouldn’t come as a shock. We were kidding ourselves if we thought he’d come into a new offense and not skip a beat.
I have a fundamental issue with paying that much money for a running back, but that’s a different topic.
This is true
Just sayin’, Blueprint for why everyone is pissed off… and by everyone I mean me.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
no way
He’s constantly shifting momentum back and forth.
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I don't think this is anything new.
He’s done this since he’s been in the NFL.
IMO, the difference this year is that he’s not showing the same vision. CJ alway had a tendency to stretch out plays, but he’d also cutback to the backside of the play, which we’re not seeing AT ALL this year. He’s not punishing the defense for over committing to the playside of outside zone and stretch plays like he has in years past.
Ok, yes
He is demonstrating an amazing tendency to cutback directly into the path of oncoming defenders. D’s are on to his style now and it’s not going to get fixed unless CJ learns to pick a spot and go ludicrous speed.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Plaid speed is even better
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CJ's lost a step though
He can no longer hit Plaid
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Personally
I would sign up for more counters, traps, and draws before I start running CJ on Iso and dive every play
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by asbestos_man on Oct 10, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Counter toss, wrap around, CJ on the end around
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Put CJ wide more with Harper or Ringer in as RB
Last time they put an LB on him with Safety over the top, which is two men out of the box. Other possible options are CJ in a bubble screen or just throwing him the ball since he is averaging 50 yards a reception when lining up at wr.
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by asbestos_man on Oct 10, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Use the Wrap around!
or the counter toss, thos eugly looking plays worked some how last year.
let CJ throw a pass
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
SH, where is this super human acceleration of CJ's
It’s just not there
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They should put CJ 2 yards from the line instead of 7
That way he has less room to fuck it up
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Jake Locker ran the Wing T in high school.
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by SuperHorn on Oct 10, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought
that Ringer or Harper were pretty big. Even running the fullback might do it wouldn’t it?
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Yup
Him and Shwabb are taking hell today
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by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Oct 10, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Upon further review
Shaub isn’t making it the endzone, but if he throws the ball away instead of scrambling with his 8 second 40 yard dash time, he would have another play.
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by asbestos_man on Oct 10, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Nothing beats the RosenCopter!

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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
best play evaaaa
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by asbestos_man on Oct 10, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
This deserves a rec
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by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Oct 10, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
As hilarious as this is...
Shaub would probably be getting only half the abuse if he had made a decision. The rosencopter was a terrible decision only bc they were up by two tds at least.
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by asbestos_man on Oct 10, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
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by asbestos_man on Oct 10, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
The entire team played garbage...
It’s pointless to try and point out people here and there. We lost just get over it hopefully it woke us up and now we can have a good bye week working on our problems!
On a good note* Texans lost so we are still tied for first!
Did anyone else think Dan Dierdorf sounded like he wanted Roethlisberger to take him to the men's room?
Jebus, I had to mute it before haltime. Dude has a serious mancrush.
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by gramsey712 on Oct 10, 2011 12:10 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Steelers games are hard to watch with the sound on
… and the TV on in general.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I find the Steelers in general get more praise than anyone else.
“Look how tough Ben is, playing on an injured foot- what a hero”
“The Steeler fans are the best. They wear tons of jerseys to games, probably more than any fanbase.”
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I feel like I am watching WWF games when the Steelers are on.
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
That line about the jerseys cracked me up.
I mean, c’mon. Really? You claim the fanbase is the best because they were a lot of jerseys, which, while still being impossible to prove, is probably not that different from the number of jerseys other fans wear?
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah...my dad called me during the game just to point that out...
I wasn’t paying attention before that.
As bad as our team looked, my biggest disappointment was our d-line not getting to Ben
Their O-line sucks. We couldn’t get to him at all it seemed like
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Finally someone agreeing with me.
Huge dissapointment!
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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm just glad a loss like this came right before the BYE week.
So, we have a game where everything that can go wrong DOES go wrong, and it’s all on film. So now, the coaches can take that abundance of film, see what went wrong, and show the players what went wrong.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 12:50 PM CDT reply actions
honestly I'm happy we didn't pull off the triumphant comeback only to lose by 3 or 4
this way our coaches know we suck at quite a few things and so does everyone else. I wonder how they will handle it?
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I see what you did there.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
As for us being under other 3-2 teams
There are analysts, a term I use loosely to describe these people, who will have plenty of 2-3 teams ahead of us as well. Least were better than the Eagles, Colts and Sparkle Kitties
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Meh.
There’s a reason they’re called analysts.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure we could find the stats somewhere
but it’d be interesting to see what CJ and Ringer got for each and every run. We’ve discussed at length about YPA today, but I’d like to see what each run went for, individually. If you look at both CJ and Ringer’s “long” for each game, and then look at the rest of their carries and yards, neither are really good. But it’d be a worth a look. Certainly would support CJ if Ringer’s got a lot of minus carries on his record this year.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:05 PM CDT reply actions
Thank you, WTF, for allowing that debate to respawn down here.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Similar to the success rate thing that gets posted every week?
Or am I not getting htat right?
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You are noticing the pattern too?
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Does it list every run?
I honestly don’t remember.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Not positive but I would think so
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Well waddya know...
It does. Just searched it.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
A Thanksgiving gift to you from MCM
For the record, it’s Columbus day today. Not Thanksgiving
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Its Thanksgiving!!!11!!!!
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Canadians...
think every American holiday is Thanksgiving.
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The Lions are playing tonight...
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So
Are we saying that CJ is no good, or do we need a back that will take advantage of the holes that are there?
We need anyone to take advantage of running straight, hit whatever hole is there full speed.
that’s it.
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Yep, aka running the football
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Bingo.
CJ’s not a lost cause (although he may not have much success this year), but I think maybe reducing his carries while he gets his head straight would benefit the team.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Correct, no one is giving up on him (yet)
he just needs to straighten himself out (literally and metaphorically)
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Well
Let’s use the two big backs we have, and then use CJ as intended; the speed back.
Smash and Dash!
Bring back Lendale!!!1
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To summarize the CJ vs Ringer debate:
Year: 2009
CJ goes for 2000 yards and gets into the 2000 yard club: “Javon who?”
Year: 2010
CJ’s 100-yard game streak is finally broken, and he gets 1,300+ yards on the season: “Who’s that Ringer guy that replaced Lendale White? Is he good?”
Year: 2011
CJ holds out, then proceeds to stink up the first 5 weeks of the NFL season: “START JAVON RINGER!!!!!1”
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:15 PM CDT reply actions
No one has said start Ringer...
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
There you go
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you want to trade CJ and start Harper?
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
Nope, I just want CJ to get his head out of his ass
and quit dropping the entire blame on the O-line
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It's hard to find the whole let alone run through it
when your head is up your ass. find that picture St. Prattrick
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by asbestos_man on Oct 10, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Does your Google's not work?
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I'm just scared of searching for "head up ass"
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by asbestos_man on Oct 10, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I chose my searches wisely
this is not one of them…
Try looking up ‘Burn!’
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I would be too.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
hard not to drop at least some of the blame on the shittiest run blockers in the business.
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by danielreese05 on Oct 10, 2011 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
60/40!
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
The trade CJ argument is, unfortunately, dead.
No one is going to accept him.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
That's why the Cut CJ Movement is having a renaissance
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CJ has more worth to this team now than anything we'd get in a trade, and it'd sting cap-wise to cut him.
I just think he needs to figure things out, and I’m tired of giving him game time to do so.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
It'd be less of a cap sting to cut him than to keep him and have him sucking
At least you could spend money on production instead of memories. $2m cap savings
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I think the potential of hitting CJ2K v.2009 is enough to keep him on the roster for a significant time.
Though it pains me to write that statement. As SuperHorn said above, I’m fundamentally opposed to sinking that much money into the RB position. However, now that we’ve got ourselves into this mess, the only possible way to get out without making Reinfeldt look really bad is hold on for a year or two and hope to hit the jackpot.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure he stays on the team
but cutting CJ because he sucks makes CJ look bad, not the FO.
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yeah, I know...
it was supposed to be sarcastic. FAIL…I realize their only option would be to cut him or pay him.
Ok... so I am going to ask it, if you were FO/HC what would you do from here on the Bye week into next week?
In a way abandoning making CJ successful and just trying to win games.
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Oh I like this question....here would be my best guess...
1) Go back to basics with him. He’s got to start hitting the holes. Get in his ear all week and work on some of those basic reads. The holes are there. They’re not as big as they used to be, but they’re there. Skipper has to work with him on that, and I’m sure he has. If he doesn’t get it after the bye, we’ve got a major issue.
2) Start him in title only. He’s got an ego, and it would hurt him if we benched him. Start him, but give Ringer equal if not more of the carries.
3) Go pass-heavy. Munchak said we’re not going to lose our run-based identity- my question to him would be “why not?” Our passing game gives us the best chance to win.
This doesn’t really solve the problem, but it does avoid it or minimize it.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think this is a good start, at least gets us through this season
I was watching the Packers game and kind of using them as a Blueprint for Success right now. Obviously we don’t have the personnel of the Packers offense, but I do think we could start running that sort of game plan. – changing out running backs often and not relying much on any of them.
If passing is our strength and (FINALLY) we have the QB to do it, pass! Running should be our secondary focus only to keep the defense honest IMO
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I don't understand how everyone is so big on the passing game
yes we finally have a good QB, but other than Hands and Stevens who else can we throw the ball to? Hell CJ is our best bet imo, I would start using him like Reggie Bush until he stops running like him. and yes I know CJ doens’t have soft hands like Bush, but he still had 50 catches one year and doesn’t have stone hands.
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I think a philosophy shift needs to happen at this point.
It’s time to start using the pass to set up the run. I know we’re missing Britt, but that means that defenses aren’t going to respect our passing game so will sell out to stop CJ. Start taking advantage of that and pass until they have no choice but to back off.
I don’t know if that will truly help and our running game is likely more flawed than that, but it would only help moving forward I think. Also would take advantage of what the offensive line is actually good at.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Oct 10, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I think we saw what happens when Defenses don't sell out on CJ anymore yesterday
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This is what confuses me.
We finally have a pass attack and now the run game goes in the crapper? What?
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
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We finally have a pass attack, the run game goes in the crapper,
and we lose Kenny Britt for the season.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
We can't have nice things.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm no expert, but we use a zone-blocking run offense right?
Maybe it really is our personnel because I’m pretty sure that’s what the Texans use and they’ve been just fine regardless of who’s doing the running.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Oct 10, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
We run all kinds, so no we aren't a strictly zone running team
SH: Have we been running all these pulling guard plays since week 1 or is it new in the last 2 weeks?
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Not the idea of them, but just how they work out. It’s not even always Scott/Harris’s fault. e.g. on one of the shotgun runs you listed, Harris pulls and then Cook blocks his guy right into him, slowing him down,thus resulting in CJ hitting him in the ass.
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Just went back and watched it.
We pulled the guard only once in week 1. Interestingly, that was one of the few running plays that worked, which may have been why it was implemented more in the following weeks.
Oh no doubt our o-line is terrible.
Against the run at least. But I don’t care how bad our line is, we should be getting at least average production out of our backs.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
/new-take
Our OL is terrible because we run basically every style of run play there is every game. We need to work on one style and go with it. We aren’t good enough to try and do everything.
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Go back to extremely basic running works better then super advanced running
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The counter argument would be
that I don’t think our run scheme has changed a whole lot since last year.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Based on.... what exactly?
We don’t have a run scheme. We have a potluck of random running plays. Shit, pick 2, get good at them, and then run them to either side. Woot 4 different plays that work. I’ll take it.
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Has CJ looked like the 2009-2010 version to you?
We need to make personnel decisions based on future success, not on who had the best year in 2009. CJ should and will be part of that future success, but arguing that CJ should get the majority of the carries based on his record-setting year isn’t wise.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Has CJ looked like the 2009-2010 version to you?
“CJ holds out, then proceeds to stink up the first 5 weeks of the NFL season”. Did you miss that part?
arguing that CJ should get the majority of the carries based on his record-setting year isn’t wise.
Cool. I’m not arguing that. I’m just summing up how knee-jerk this debate really is.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
5 weeks into the regular season isn't knee jerk
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Knee jerk was after Week 1.
5/16 games through isn’t knee jerk. That’s significant time.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
The whole argument behind the 'We were 3-2 last year, don't get your hopes up." is that our reaction to this year's early success is knee-jerk, just like last year.
So using that logic to say why we shouldn’t get our hopes up about the 2011 Titans is A-OK, but using that logic to defend CJ’s suckiness isn’t?
That’s called a double standard.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
They are two entirely different things.
Record: You can look at it and see several bright spots after five games.
CJ: You can look at the run game and see….uh….well…you can see CJ running horizontally a lot.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
BREAKING NEWS: CJ dances behind the line of scrimmage
Holy crap, I thought he was like Brandon Jacobs, just running north-south constantly and running guys over.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Can we have Jacobs instead?
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure, as long as he runs someone over and scores first
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Because tossing equipment into the stands is totally okay as long as you score TD's.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you going to VY pic spam yourself now?
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Random Vince Young comment.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
you don't remember when jacobs was dancing?
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
didn't bradshaw fumble more?
but yeah jake was dancing in the back field with his 6’4 260 lb body
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Did neither of you guys read the original comment?
Or did it just completely sail over yours heads?
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
There was nothing in it to sail over anyone's head
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I mean, we're making fun of Texans fans for turning on Shaub when he's playing terrible.
While we’re doing the same exact thing.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Shaub didn't holdout and then play horrible every single game since the start of the season
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course they would
There’s always a reason. It’s not a random “oh I hate CJ today”
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
It must have gotten lost in your sig
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Gotta love MCM after a loss. Arguments about sigs
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And about ditching pro-bowlers.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
You think CJ is going to the pro bowl?
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
///amongst other things
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
There is still time!!!!
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Yes.
CJ will have multiple 600-yard games. The Titans will finish the season 14-0 thanks to a tear in the space-time continuum that erases their two losses. Then we’ll proceed to win the AFC and NFC championship games, and play ourselves in the Superbowl.
Then it’ll be a tie, Kuharsky’s head will explode, and Goodell will eat the Lombardi trophy.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Team wasting a lot of time spinning it's wheels trying to find something that works for CJ
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*This
“What aren’t we doing right to make CJ successful?” <<<< “Why our WRs can’t run the correct routes?”
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bigger question about CJ's use in the new offensive scheme.
Why aren’t we using more HB screens? Those have gotten CJ into open space in the past, and gotten him going.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:55 PM CDT reply actions
He had one yesterday with blocking downfield
and then promptly danced into the arms of a safety lying on the ground.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Who blew through the first 2 blocks to get straight to CJ.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Perhaps we over emphasized pass blocking in the offseason?
Munchak did promise Hasselbeck we would protect him so that he would play well. Is it possible that we spent so much time on that that we neglected the running game, just assuming it would go well?
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Maybe so.
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by fanoftheunderdogs on Oct 10, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Very possible.
But if that’s the case, I support it.
I would rather be a passing team than a running team. I want to strive to be the Packers instead of the Jets.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Oct 10, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
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Id prefer to be balanced, honestly.
Ain't no time for hesitatin'
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by BonzosMontreaux on Oct 10, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Just a regular post game thread.
Rothbard and StPrattrick overreacting is normal stuff.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN OVERREACTING?!!!!!!!11111<<<<<<<

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actually not really at all...
I just think the “it’s everyone except for CJ’s fault” argument is pretty weak.
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are we the only fake fans here?
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Looks like it
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StPrattrick is not a fake fan.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
Thank God! I was worried this whole time I was.
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Yeah, relax.
"He's an amazing talent. He's probably the most explosive back since Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders." - Eddie George, about CJ.
I didn´t read any comment saying CJ is playing well.
He needs to get part of the blame, not all of it like you are trying to do.
Maybe it´s because you can´t talk shit about the best Center and Guards combo in the league.
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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That is because he is not playing well... do you really think he is??
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I don´t.
That´s why I said he has part of the blame.
But not all of it.
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by criollo_pcg on Oct 10, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I never said he was all to blame
I’m giving it a… 60/40% fault. 60 CJ – 40 O-line/run plays
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Who has said that at all?
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You. Specifically. It. Was. You!!!!1
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Now we're arguing about what we're arguing about.
This is going nowhere.
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Was it ever going somewhere?
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We were going to hash out all the Titans worries for this year.
Today. Right here.
Let’s get to it guys!
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I've got a conference call with Munch and Reinfeldt in 20mins
so we better hurry up. I need to make sure they know the plan!
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Put CJ on Auto-Pilot for 'running straight' set at speed 'Plaid'! ENGAGE!
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Done. 14-2 time biatches!
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See, how hard was that?
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Dude it was proven above that you are not a *REAL* fan,
because only ‘Real’ Fans can hand out those kind of judgments
You have been banned from Stampede Blue.
Calling a site admin a ‘fuhrer’ gets you banned without warning.
The Saint of MCM
Bahaha Even Thor is calling out CJ saying he needs to play better in his press conference
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The Saint of MCM
He also says he doesn't know why the O-line is doing so bad
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 10, 2011 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
No one does
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by StPrattrick on Oct 10, 2011 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Just read through this whole thread... and
I know I’m late to the party. But i had 3 thoughts:
1. The running issues are definitely attributable partly to CJ and partly to the O-line. As to what percentage of blame each party deserves, I don’t feel that unbiased evidence exists to determine that.
2. Reading through this thread reaffirmed my deep hatred for the formatting used on the site (specifically when enough comments have been replied to that all of the text is displayed in a narrow line down the right-hand side of the webpage) even though I understand that there may not be a better formatting choice (if picking the formatting is even an option)
3. It’s threads like these that get me through boring classes. So thank you to those who contributed their thoughts (however circular they may be)
BBS: Where logic goes to die... See below
http://www.stampedeblue.com/2011/9/6/2409457/dont-rule-out-collins

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