Tennessee Titans Daily Links: False Dichotomy Edition
by August West on Jan 4, 2011 10:59 AM CST
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Jason La Canfora has a full story on NFL.com that details the VY/Fisher/Adams issue more clearly than anyone else right now. Basically the Titans' Senior Executive Vice President, General Manager and Head Coach are all in agreement that Vince Young isn't a franchise QB. They believe this so strongly that they're willing to stand in front of Bud Adams, who has clung to VY like the most ardent of sycophants, and tell him so, even as it endangers their relationship with Bud and their future employment. Say what you will about the reasons for Fisher's ultimatum, but when was the last time an entire front office was united against a team's QB and anything good came of siding with the QB? My hope is that this will be a wake-up call for Bud that, while Fisher needs to go because of the losing streaks, ridiculous stubbornness on key personnel decisions and inability to keep a team united for 16 games year-in and year-out, Vince Young needs to go because everyone above him with extensive NFL experience agrees that he can't handle the duties of being an NFL QB. VY's sense of entitlement, lack of consistent work ethic and continued inability to mature emotionally or mentally will hamstring this organization as long as Bud Adams allows it to. Whatever it is in Jeff Fisher that allows him to bench Jared Cook, cut Blount and stick with guys like Nick Harper circa 2009 will hamstring us for as long as Bud allows it. There's no reason for Bud to allow this to be framed as an either/or situation. I'm not trying to piss people off with this, it's just my reasoned opinion based upon everything we've heard surrounding this team over the past 6 years. Disagreement is always allowed. Paul K has his own in-depth view on this situation, including a series of points on why this decision won't be made in a rush.
Terry McComrick says that if Fisher is back, Kerry Collins could be the Titans' back-up in 2011. Ugh.
PFF breaksdown what killed the 20 NFL teams who won't participate in this year's playoffs, and when it comes to the Titans they reiterate what we've been saying all year (though I'd till say the revolving door at the QB position and Kenny Britt's injury were equally crippling issues):
TENNESSEE TITANS (6-10)
This is a pretty easy one. Despite being built around Chris Johnson, the Titans were the worst run blockers in the league this year. They were pretty good last year, but a lot of Johnson’s yards came strictly on his own abilities. In 2010, he was on his own from start to finish. Only Michael Roos was respectable, and center Eugene Amano was our worst-graded by a long margin.
Not playing Jared Cook until the season was functionally over was a major mistake in a season that was riddled with them.
Winning last Sunday's game would have bumped the Titans back 6 spots in the 2011 draft, but nothing positive comes out of the Colts winning. Ever.
Marc Mariani is headed back home to Havre, Montana to help raise money for a local children's charities.
Are Titans fans the most financially literate in the NFL? Well that's completely impossible to calculate, but I wanted to pass this along so that I could highlight the corniest statement I've seen in years:
"Titans fans are financial literacy MVPs," said Jason Alderman, Senior Director of Financial Education at Visa. "Their showing on the real-life gridiron of personal finance is truly impressive."
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Only one point on your first comment
Those people who are evaluating VY as not a franchise QB are also the same ones who have made some questionable personnel decisions, such as Collins large contract for being a backup, signing Washington to a large contract, Jovan Haye, etc. Add to that, Fisher’s inability to tell when a player can’t play anymore, such as Gage, Scaife, etc., leads me to not really put too much stock in what those guys say.
But, irregardless of VY, Fisher is not a good coach. Multiple losing streaks of 5+ games, only 2 playoff appearances the last 7 seasons, going 2-12 w/o VY over the past 2 years, and having the 8th worst record in the league this year, and going 2-4 in the division when the AFC South was one of the worse divisions in the NFL. He should be let go. Period.
^ This.
But I agree with August’s POV here – while I’ve been in the VY “camp” since the “incident” – I can’t see how it makes sense to keep him if the entire FO is against the idea. They have made several dumb decisions, but also some smart ones (CJ, Babin, Ball, Verner, etc.)
Also what does it matter if they are all willing to stand before Bud and put their jobs on the line to get The Nameless cut?
Their jobs are already on the line and the fact they are giving this ultimatum to their boss should (hopefully) tell Bud that it’s time to move on. We all know these dudes are in Fisher’s corner basically because they only reason they are even there in the first place is Fisher. I don’t think them standing before Bud telling him how bad of a QB holds too much water because 2 of those 3 opinions will say anything Fisher wants them to say and at this point the only excuse Fisher has for how bad things have gotten is because of the bain of Fisher’s existence, The Nameless.
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Just an FYI...
Steve Underwood (Sr. Executive VP) predates Fisher by a number of years with the franchise and was with the team in Houston and stayed there working under Adams until just a few years ago when he came here to be better connected to the franchise. So he’s not exactly there cause of Fisher.
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We've had five-game losing streaks for twelve years now...and in no way is that depressing.
by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 4, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
Fish-as-master-of-the-universe conspiracy theory....
does it have any basis in reality? Sr. Exec VP, GM, are all beholden to the coach?
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What else have we been shown though?
He is the one dishing out these ultimatums and as we’ve seen he plays the game your either with him or against him. I am only purely speculating off of what we’ve been shown as a fan base.
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theyve either kept him around him around this long, or are here because of him
im not saying they should side with vince, i totally understand why someone with their career on the line would not trust he could get his head together, but i am saying the fact that they side with fisher is about as surprising as brett favre being sued again
Fisher needs to go regardless of what happens to VY
Paul K actually writes a neutral article about VY? color me shocked
by nolesbroncos3456 on Jan 4, 2011 11:06 AM CST reply actions
I agree
Let the next HC decide if he’s fit to be on this team or not. The only thing i’m concerned about is moving on from the Fisher Era
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Collins is a fine back up. Really.
He can come in and keep you competitive for a game or two so long as you don’t ask him to do too much. The problem—and it’s been a recurring problem—is thinking he’s as good as a starter. That said, I still think he’s better than at least half the #2 QBs in the League.
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^ This.
Great to have on the sideline and in case of emergency…I don’t want to rely on him week in and week out.
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We've had five-game losing streaks for twelve years now...and in no way is that depressing.
by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 4, 2011 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
Absolutely
I have no problem whatsoever with Collins as #2
agreed
as a backup he is better than half the starters in the league….can come back as a back up only
"The best years the Titans franchise has ever seen were the years when Steve was our quarterback."
by MexicanTitanFreak on Jan 4, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
KC may be a good backup
but NOT FOR THIS TEAM. As long as Collins is there, the temptation to fall back on “uncle kerry” is going to be to strong (at least if we are talking Fish still being the coach). Maybe a lot of this apparent eagerness to get Kerry in the game is due to the Vunce ‘situation’, and could clear up with a new start at starting QB. I’ve seen too much KC. Don’t need to see much more.
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if fisher is still here and KC is on the team
hell start. i dont care what he says now it wouldnt be his first lie. if we draft a qb, is he going to suddenly put him in to start? no hes going to say kerry gives us the best chance to win. and well win our 5 games and call it a season.
Isn't that what happened to The Nameless before KC got pulled in his first season? Then he led us within a win of the playoffs to become Offensive Rookie of the year?
This sounds awfully familiar…
We’ve already been there done that.
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yup
that’s what i don’t get. With VY in the game we have 6 game winning streaks. With him out of the game, we have 6 game losing streaks. He’s gotten better and better, and was ripping shit up this year before he got hurt.
I don’t like his bitchiness any more than anyone else does, but who else is gonna play qb for us. Everyone says get rid of Vince, but no one offers an alternative. Because we really don’t have one. Does it really kill us to have Vince in the game while we groom a younger guy? His W-L record and recent trajectory don’t say so.
theyre alternatives are mcnabb and palmer
who while are fantastic people, simply arent much on the field anymore. ill take my chances with the skilled brat over the crappy saints.
if only drafting a good like 2cnd-3rd round qb to groom would inspire vince instead of making him pout and throw a tantrum thatd be ideal
I don't even have the motivation to discuss it anymore.
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by gramsey712 on Jan 4, 2011 11:11 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
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I think PFF nailed it on the head pretty well
If the running game was as good as last year, then the Titans may have ended up 8-8 or 9-7. That may have been enough to get into the playoffs this year if one of those extra wins came against the Colts.
But, it’s sad if the Titans need a 2000+ yard rusher to even have a shot at the playoffs. And, Amano has never been good…I did not understand why he was given that big contract in the offseason and then moved to center. One of the worst decisions on this team (and there have been plenty).
Whats scary is
If the run game had been as good as it was last year, we would have the first back ever to go over 2000yds twice, and still finish .500 both of those years. Throw in that we had the 18th all-time KR/PR in Mariani and you see how serious this team’s problems are.
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by AntiguanTitan on Jan 4, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
300 comments on MCM!!!
I think we let Rusty hang around to develop as the 3rd stringer and eventually the backup whenever Kerry has had enough. Aren’t we glad that KC isn’t like Brett Favre at all regarding retirement?
by nolesbroncos3456 on Jan 4, 2011 11:14 AM CST reply actions
just a minor milestone compared to other post counts
but 300 is a nice total to start off the year
by nolesbroncos3456 on Jan 4, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
greetings from Las Vegas!
I’ve missed the last 4 days of news, can someone fill me in please?
Whats the word?
If I'm not back in 5 minutes...just wait longer.
Here's the update:
—Some people think we should keep Vince Young
—Some people think we should keep Jeff Fisher
—Some people think we should fire both
—Some people think we should keep both
Now you’re up to date.
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So you really havent missed anything at all
Same story as the last, what, 8weeks or so
by Indiana Titan on Jan 4, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
I could see him demanding some staff changes on the defensive side.
Cecil has now had two years and has yet to show he can make adjustments or fix constant problems (TEs constantly being open). Granted, some of that could be a lack of talent, but all the same…I could see Cecil and maybe a couple assistants out.
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We've had five-game losing streaks for twelve years now...and in no way is that depressing.
by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 4, 2011 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
I'm wondering that if Bud has to give up on "his" guy...
What, if anything, will he have Fish give up as well? As you said, staff changes on defense and/or offense? Something else maybe? Or like the Jags owner, playoffs or you’re out, basically.
Fisher would be in the last year of his contract anyways, so there'd all ready effectively be a "Win or else" ultimatum in place.
Future ghostwriter of Jeff Fisher's autobiography, "Moustache Ride: A True Story of Love, Lies and Betrayal".
We've had five-game losing streaks for twelve years now...and in no way is that depressing.
by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 4, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
Well, I guess that's true.
But you know if they go with another drafted QB, Fish can always say getting a rookie QB ready is more than a one season job.
lets not think that fisher has a huge aversion to canning cecil
hell use him as a fall guy just like he did norm chow
He didn't use Chow as a fall guy
he saw an opportunity to bring back the guy that he had had success with at OC and he took it.
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offensive line
is the biggest need. CJ2K’s (I’m still calling him that) struggles weren’t only due to defenses having so many people on the line. The team’s philosophy with off. and def. line is generally to get some warm bodies with some skill and strengths the coaches can work with and squeeze every ounce of potential we can out of them. Why not spend a higher draft pick on a offensive line prospect?
Sploosh.
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The person behind these two twitter accounts:
FakeVinceYoung's Twitter account
NotJeffFisher's Twitter account
Finally some sense from the top of the organization.
Finally someone at the top can see that this overly pampered quarterback is not worthy of leading a professional football team. His mind just isn’t capable of tackling such a multi faceted responsibility.
by Joy kat on Jan 4, 2011 11:43 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
a 6 year old who doesn't grasp any offensive concepts just yet
can figure out how to do that.
by nolesbroncos3456 on Jan 4, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Right, because he is such a football mind
Now not having Britt and moss at the same time is still very confusing and dumb. Fisher has no excuse for that, but dont use sarcastic comments to help defend #10. I love the dude to death, he can wear our burnt orange whenever he wants, But he needs to take off the two tone blue!
"The best years the Titans franchise has ever seen were the years when Steve was our quarterback."
by MexicanTitanFreak on Jan 4, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
I was just playing Madden
And i saw how it would be with them to on the field together, then i sighed and said, it won’t happen in real life…
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Jan 4, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
who is vince young overly pampered by, defo not the head coach. evveryone says adams loves VY, but i dont see how he is treated any better than another QB. Collins seems to be treated better than Vince Young
It's all Mack Brown's fault
They baby and coddle their superstar football players in Austin so much that’s its sickening. see WR Roy Williams
by nolesbroncos3456 on Jan 4, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
As a Longhorn fan I might have to agree
This is why a lot of Longhorn fans believe happened this year. Players think they have a sence of entitlement and lack of prep etc etc….
"The best years the Titans franchise has ever seen were the years when Steve was our quarterback."
by MexicanTitanFreak on Jan 4, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
Is that on Brown or the fanbse/boosters?
Just asking, largely based on my viewing of ‘Friday Night Lights’ and its’ depiction of how football is a part of life in Texas.
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We've had five-game losing streaks for twelve years now...and in no way is that depressing.
by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 4, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
*fanbase
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We've had five-game losing streaks for twelve years now...and in no way is that depressing.
by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 4, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
Both but mostly on the coach
I love Mack Brown, but he needs to quit being a politcian and Uncle Mack. And being these players best friend. He needs to start being more authoritive in my opinion.
"The best years the Titans franchise has ever seen were the years when Steve was our quarterback."
by MexicanTitanFreak on Jan 4, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
friday night lights = real life..... ??
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Ha, no...but it has been acclaimed for it's relatively realistic portrayal of Middle America life.
And Texas IS obsessed with football, right?
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We've had five-game losing streaks for twelve years now...and in no way is that depressing.
by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 4, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
Friday Night Lights was about small town football.
Most of Texas’ players come from the cities these days (Houston, DFW, Austin/SA).
The sense of entitlement
comes from being part of what has been (up to this year) one of the most elite programs in the country. The difference (imho) is that we had an offensive coach that didn’t know playcalling diversity from a tuna sandwich.
No, in truth, Texas players are no more pampered then all the other extremely talented kids out there in the world of college football. It’s just that everyone is pampered.
P.S. I don’t really see anything wrong with Roy Williams as compared to other receivers in the league, but if there is, I’d say it’s just as much spending so damn long with a program that refused to draft a damn quarterback.
"Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we're free at last!" - Texas Offensive Production on the resignation of Greg Davis
Having Matt Millen as GM will do that to you.
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We've had five-game losing streaks for twelve years now...and in no way is that depressing.
by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 4, 2011 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
I love RW in college and waited every year at draft to be disappointed in their next #1 WR draft pick. Unfortunately, there are 3 places he could have gone that would have hindered my rooting for him and Dallas is one of those three.
"Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we're free at last!" - Texas Offensive Production on the resignation of Greg Davis
to be fair vince also didnt have a father figure as far as i understand
when the only men in your life are guys trying to get you to play for them however they can, well thats gonna screw with you.
but like the vick argument yesterday, thats an explanation not a justification
That's ridiculous.
Texas has more alums in the NFL this year than any other school because Mack Brown coddles them to death?
Take the blinders off
They get to the NFL because of Talent, its a big culture shock when they get to the NFL. Its sad but true, Most longhorn players have it better in Austin than they do in any other town in the country.
"The best years the Titans franchise has ever seen were the years when Steve was our quarterback."
by MexicanTitanFreak on Jan 4, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
Your theory is not supported by the evidence.
Texas doesn’t have much better players than every other football program in the country – yet they generally thrive in the NFL. You can pick a few players from any school and say that the coach must have coddled the player.
Nick Saban and Les Miles must have coddled the hell out of Jamarcus Russell to make him the basket case he has been.
Really???
"The best years the Titans franchise has ever seen were the years when Steve was our quarterback."
by MexicanTitanFreak on Jan 4, 2011 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Yes no ones is debating that
But as A Longhorn fan I know that they have it better here. But if youre blind to see that Mack allows this then theres no point in going on. In fact Iam sure it is used during recruiting, Big fish in a small pond theory.
"The best years the Titans franchise has ever seen were the years when Steve was our quarterback."
by MexicanTitanFreak on Jan 4, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
"But as A Longhorn fan I know that they have it better here. But if youre blind to see that Mack allows this then theres no point in going on. In fact Iam sure it is used during recruiting, Big fish in a small pond theory."
They always have it better on college campuses – every school in the south idolizes their football players and they are practically gods on campus.
You’re saying that Mack uses the fact that he treats the recruits better to help him recruit?
Yes! and
When its not the same in the pros…..“Whoa what the hell?” is what the players think
"The best years the Titans franchise has ever seen were the years when Steve was our quarterback."
by MexicanTitanFreak on Jan 4, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
I agree - the NFL is a wake up call for all college players.
Some rise up to the challenge, some don’t.
Texas is generally considered (along with Florida and California) to be one of, if not the, best recruiting grounds in the nation.
Ergo they have better players…pretty easy to get them to come play in their own backyard in Austin. Not to mention Texas is usually Top 10 in recruiting rankings, so they do in fact usually have “much better players than every other football program in the country”.
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We've had five-game losing streaks for twelve years now...and in no way is that depressing.
by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 4, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
" Not to mention Texas is usually Top 10 in recruiting rankings, so they do in fact usually have "much better players than every other football program in the country"."
Being “usually in the top 10” means they have much better players than Florida or Michigan or USC or Alabama or Ohio State – all of which are usually in the top 10 as well?
So you're admitting Texas is not the best school in the country?
Ha ha.
Future ghostwriter of Jeff Fisher's autobiography, "Moustache Ride: A True Story of Love, Lies and Betrayal".
We've had five-game losing streaks for twelve years now...and in no way is that depressing.
by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 4, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Fair enough.
Thanks for not being a blind homer like way too many college fans I know.
Future ghostwriter of Jeff Fisher's autobiography, "Moustache Ride: A True Story of Love, Lies and Betrayal".
We've had five-game losing streaks for twelve years now...and in no way is that depressing.
by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 4, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
Texas Wahoo
You and me can share a beer any SATURDAY in the fall, but I cant wait till all these bandwagon Titans fans leave when their beloved savior(#10) leaves….sighs
"The best years the Titans franchise has ever seen were the years when Steve was our quarterback."
by MexicanTitanFreak on Jan 4, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Thats good to know
I love what the dude did for our school, but what he is doing to my passion is killing me!
"The best years the Titans franchise has ever seen were the years when Steve was our quarterback."
by MexicanTitanFreak on Jan 4, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
Don't get me wrong - he was great in college.
I think he can be great in the pros, but I’m not sure. I would like to see him get a couple of years out from under Fisher to try.
The one thing I share w/ you horns
is the hatred for all things related to that crazed militant farming school called A&M. the aggies are really annoying when i visit texas
by nolesbroncos3456 on Jan 4, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Try working and living with them...
But hey someone has to fish in the desert…
"The best years the Titans franchise has ever seen were the years when Steve was our quarterback."
by MexicanTitanFreak on Jan 4, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Tech doesn't have the napoleon complex w/ the Horns
like the Aggies do. next time I visit, I’ll wear burnt orange in Junior College Station
by nolesbroncos3456 on Jan 4, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
VY is responsible for VY at the end of the day
He constantly needs affirmation of his greatness and whoever enabled him on the way did him no favors. It just aided him into being the immature selfish egotistical person he is now. Blame whoever you like (his mother, high school coach, or Mack Brown) He has not broken out of his need to be hugged first before he plays mentality.
Yes, but Fisher is responsible for Fisher
Irregardless of VY, Fisher has lost with a QB he signed over 5 years ago (Collins). He has lost with a great RB, young stud WR, a hall of fame WR, and at the very least an average defense. He was 6-10 with those players. Do we really think he will be better than that if he played a rookie QB or a QB off the street next year?
by shawneriksmith on Jan 4, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
which is why he needs to go
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here we go between the diehard longhorns fans who became titans fans bc of you know who
and reasonable horns/titans fans lol
by nolesbroncos3456 on Jan 4, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
The ironic thing is I am strictly a Titans/NFL guy.
I just like arguing college football cause the diehards are fun to egg on.
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We've had five-game losing streaks for twelve years now...and in no way is that depressing.
by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 4, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
I'm a diehard noles fan but you don't see me
demanding Chris Hope start every game or put into the HOF. He’s old and almost done, I’ll admit that.
by nolesbroncos3456 on Jan 4, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
Let's not Attack COlleges
Becasue there is a lot of talent in the league right now out of the University of Texas, especially from the Mack Brown Era. I don’t think VY’s attitude is a result of Mack Brown, I think it’s a result of growing up without a father figure and thus not learning how to handle confrontation. I know I’ll get bashed, but name me another QB who has had the same upbringing and been successful right away and long term in the league. But I think he’ll work it out real soon if given the chance.
+1
"The best years the Titans franchise has ever seen were the years when Steve was our quarterback."
by MexicanTitanFreak on Jan 4, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
Every srguement Im seeing for Fisher staying blames VY and the classic "who can do better then fisher"
I usually prefer devil you know to the devil you dont but when youve been toyed with for over a decade and a half its time for change, id rather go down struggling but showing tons of heart and passion then have more fgf 8-8 mediocare seasons where the team looks like its quit
Oh hai MCM
Same. I hate how this is a "either or situation" when its clear both need to go
And in my dream universe we get Jim Harbaugh and Andrew Luck
Oh hai MCM
Peyton Manning leaving via free agency to join the titans who bring back randy moss, get cowher to coach, bud croaks and his successor is not senile who makes smart decisions. Randy Moss and KB on field together is considered an amazing 1-2 punch
Our O-line gets solved and CJ shatters records. Cecil is fired and replaced with Rob Ryan/Ron Rivera. We win 4 straight superbowls while Fisher and Young fail to suceed elsewhere
Oh hai MCM
Yeah that 6 easy!
"The best years the Titans franchise has ever seen were the years when Steve was our quarterback."
by MexicanTitanFreak on Jan 4, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
NFL version of this year's Miami Heat!!
only w/ the Lakers titles lol
by nolesbroncos3456 on Jan 4, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
People that need to go IMO
1. VY. I have always loved VY, but the way he handles himself off the field, and mopes costantly shows the kind of man he is. We need an NFL QB, not a DIVA.
2. Justin Gage, Bo Scaife, and Eugene Amano. Gage is no longer a legitamit HS starting WR, what makes anyone think he can keep it coming in the NFL? Bo Scaife is a horrible TE. people around here were uttering that when we tagged him twice, but I think people are starting to realize he doesn’t have break away speed, and he is Average on his best day. Eugene Amano, if ANYONE can pull up a video with Eugene blocking well, I will hug you. He needs to GTFO. Harris is a close fourth.
3. Hope, Tulloch, and McGrath.
Hope has just stopped playing well. Its unfortunate because he is a class act and has done well for years. Tulloch and McGrath CANNOTH cover ANYONE. Don’t agree? Pop in some tape. Tulloch is good against the run and McGrath is decent. Will also sucks in pass
Coverage, but he is excellent in blitz packages, I don’t know, I just think he can get better via the pass. And Javon Haye needs to GTFO too.
These are my opinions on who should go player-wise. Don’t turn this into Fisher vs VY.
God Bless!
GO TITANS!!!
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i don't know that would suggest that but i'd be ok with that actually
as long as the deal was sweet and the titans had someone beside Ringer to carry the load
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Exactly
If someone would give up serious consideration (big pick(s), players) for CJ I would jump immediately. RBs are plentiful. Our O roster is shaping up to be a more air oriented attack. We have more pressing needs than a single “stud” RB. We can get serviceable RB from somewhere and use what we get for CJ for more pressing needs.
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Completely disagree
I live in AZ and the Cardinals are going through pretty much the same thing with talks of trading off Fitzgerald. At the end of the day I would trade any sort of compensation we’d receive for CJ (same with Fitzgerald) for that once in a decade/lifetime talent. I’m not saying we’d NEVER be able to find someone close to him, but there is only one CJ. He’s only one year removed from a 2000 yard season and had a “down” year this year, but still was one of the top running backs in the league. Our offense flows through CJ right now, if we had a OC or HD that could open up the passing game and new what plays to run to utilize CJs talents he’d be just as deadly as he was his 2000 yard season. Also it would kill me to see him go to another team and destroy defenses as he should be on the Titans if we could give him some help… The dude is still the fastest back in the NFL, rarely ever gets injured (if he does, we never see it). Pay the man whatever he wants, get him on the field. This shouldn’t even be an option. You don’t trade away your only Ace Card, ever.
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CJ != ace card
It takes more than just him
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True, but
He did a lot with very little help this year. Again I would trade any sort of compensation we’d receive in place of CJ x100
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And that is the basis for my suggestion of trading CJ
We count on some other team overvaluing him and make a sweet deal. Basically trade CJ for an inflated price and “spread it around” to improve multiple aspects of the team
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Again, I don't believe in trading away a player like that
same with Fitzgerald. Just because the rest of the supporting case isn’t playing to his level doesn’t mean you trade him away because you have no use for that kind of talent. You get him people that will make him play to his potential.
It’s not going to be any easier for a lesser back that we pick up…
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I just think other components of the team
offer more bang for the buck. CJ is going to be more trouble than he is worth soon, book it. CJ is NOT a dominant RB. He is simply fast. Speed only kills if you can escape the initial push, and CJ can’t.
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Not a dominant RB?
He finished in the top 3 for running backs with a disaster of an O-line. The coaches were trying to use him as a goal line/inside runner as well, which he is not that type of running back. I think he did a pretty good job with all things considered…
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I can't believe I'm arguing with a Titans fan about CJ not being a dominant RB...
This has gotten ugly.
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Dominant RB = "a running back that dominates"
CJ did not dominate this year. He dominated last year because he could get into space and fly by people. This year not so much. Yes, poor OL play did not help him get into space, but even we he did, imo, he is NOT as fast as he once was. People catch him.
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CJ dominated the best he could!
What else did you want ONE dude to do? He finished with the 3rd most rushing yards and 2nd in TDs. and Yes, Poor OL play contributed him not doing as well. It starts and ends with OL play, that is where the real problem is. And since when is he not as fast as he was? Teams have been coached on taking better angles on him, but that being said, he still broke out for 30 yards while they are taking “better” angles on him.
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Exactly.
CJ dominated. And he dominated even more dominantly last season. And we didn’t make the playoffs either.
running back success =/= team success
quarterback success = team success
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Quarterback stability = team success too....
How many times has Pey Pey been pulled when he’s thrown a multi-interception game?
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Peyton has shown he can recover from throwing multi interception games
He has not quit
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I am not going to get into the conversation this is leaning towards
but, i’ll just assume you know where it’s going.
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My main point was, there are a lot more things that need to be address
as far as coaching/game planning/QB stability/utilizing talents before we start dumping our top players in HOPES of finding an answer in an unproven rookie.
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I agree with that.
My point was that I would not be against trading CJ. Not that I am really pushing for it, but I wouldn’t be against it.
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gramsey thank you for using =/=
rothbards != always look weird to me
it's "does not equal"
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!=, <>, =/=, ~=
all “not equal”
/computer’d
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Great quarterback + great receiver + serviceable running back > serviceable quarterback + great receiver + great running back
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serviceable quarterback + great receiver + great running back
+ average defense should equal > 6 wins. That’s why I am for Fisher being let go.
by shawneriksmith on Jan 4, 2011 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
No I get that
I am saying, what great quarterback are you placing into that equation? because as of right now he doesn’t exist.
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Hopefully we would take CJ and turn whatever we get into a great quarterback
Be it by trade for player or draft pick.
That would be the only thing I would be willing to trade CJ for. To upgrade our quarterback.
Other than that, it wouldn’t make sense.
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So you'd rather bet on "hopefully" we'd find another Gem in the draft instead of keeping the Gem we already have?
Not me, and that’s why your not a head coach.
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So that means you are happy with the roster we have.
I’m not.
If the Panthers would take CJ and our 2nd rounder for their #1…I’d do it in a heartbeat.
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I am happy with the majority of our roster
Aside from a few obvious upgrades on both sides of the ball and a new coaching staff that utilizes our talents instead of playing 1 game plan regardless of the team we are playing against, yes I am happy with the majority of the roster.
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its okay cause we have blount as the back up
oh…. wait……
(for the record im not trying to start that up again, was just put on too perfect of a tee)
seriously????
this makes no sense on several levels. 1st of all, if we’re trading CJ2K, we’re not also trading our 2nd rd pick. carolina gives US their #2 pick along w/ top pick in draft. 2ndly, despite deangelo williams being a free agent, they still have jonathan stewart and mike goodson, and may still re-sign deangelo if they get the injury discount on this contract. they have so many other needs i dont see them doing this. the ONLY way i trade cj2k is if we pull off a bounty like when the cowboys trade herschel walker to vikes for a buttload of draft picks that laid the foundation for their 3 super bowls. and even then, i’d have to think 2×. cj2k is THAT special a player. with a more innovative offensive mind he gets more touches in space and becomes mvp of league.
by NJ Titans Fan on Jan 4, 2011 5:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
CJ is only worth a 1st and 2nd round pick
to rabid fans and owners who think their team is a fantasy football team.
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If we don't have an OC or HC
that knows what plays to call for CJ, how did he have 2000+yds last year with same OC and HC?
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Ha really? You think this is the same team we had when he ran for 2000+ yards?
The 2009/10 season seems like so long ago…
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pretty close to it, yeah
Sure the OL fell off without Mawae’s leadership and Crump’s blocking, but I think we underestimate other teams having a full year of tape on our running game. Cram LOS = CJ dead. CJ is good in the secondary, not the backfield.
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This is another reason against the coaching staff
A good coach adjusts when teams start stopping your biggest weapon. Teams have tons of tape on lots of elite players but those teams still keep those elite players elite. That’s good coaching.
by shawneriksmith on Jan 4, 2011 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe it was Earnest Byner.
I still don’t understand the Idiot Coach who nasically traded him for Kenny Pola
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we would never get a mega deal for CJ
the ditka/sticky ricky trade is commonly regarded as a terrible mistake. no one is going to repeat that. i think a single, late 1st rounder would be as much as we would get, and thus would not be worth it, especially given that ringer is no michael turner waiting in the wings.
really good RBs are just too easy to find. CJ may be elite, but for most teams the difference between a very good, maybe even great RB and an elite RB isn’t worth some enormous, ditka-like picks giveaway.
if you can get a jamaal charles in the 3rd round, or an arian foster for free, why would you give away the world for a guy who is still dependent on 5-7 other dudes for his success?
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Idea of trading CJ is contingent upon
finding some sucker team to overpay
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This gem from PFT caught me off guard
“Fisher has a clause in his contract that allows him to choose his quarterback.”
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this would be very old news
and came up last season with the whole “bud makes fisher start VY” story
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I just find it odd that Bud let this be in the contract with all the issues betwen vy and fish
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i think it predates VY
the supposed “full roster control clause”, that is
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Its gotta be
Im bout to just sit back with popcorn and watch this whole scenario like a soap opera.
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I thought The MCM Contributors Agreed
To post the news and keep their opinions out of it? This is exactly what started the whole VY-ban in the first place. I don’t mind August posting his opinion, just put it int he comments section or in a seperate fanpost just like everyone else. Don’t add your opinion to a news article.
No one agreed to that
I asked that it happen, but everyone hated the idea and I later rescinded my request. August is welcome to post his opinions wherever he likes.
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plus, season's over
what else are we going to talk about?
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thanks for clarifying
I still think that’s tacky as hell, but u r the ones w the power! Guess ill just have to go to every story to know when august is twisting shit for his own purpose
by UTDEEZY08 on Jan 4, 2011 6:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Um, I do that every day
and the VY moratorium, in as much as it happened, was for the season… which is over.
Why would I take the time to write a blog and not give my opinion?
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i think u should stick to whats in the story
A big difference between making a statement about the article and completely fabricating your own opinion and putting it below the article. But, u can post whatever u want, which u obviously don’t need me to tell u!
by UTDEEZY08 on Jan 4, 2011 6:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
if you just wanted news then go to a news site, d.c.
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Not savy on what that means. Does it mean quit crying or something?
qq = tear drops
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So, Essentially
It means quit crying right?
or cry more ;)
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I Don't Understand How the Front Office Siding With Fisher
Does anything to help his case or worsen the case against VY. I’m pretty sure those guys would back Fisher on every decision he makes. If you asked them how they felt about getting Randy Moss and Kenny Britt on the field at the same time, I’m pretty sure that they would back Fisher. Does that mean that it was the right football decision? Ask them about letting KVB, Bullock,and the old center go. I’m pretty sure they helped make those decisions, right? I mean, don’t try to find as many people that agree with you as possible no matter their affiliation and say that adds to your point. When actual Titans players start coming out agains VY, then post that and say it adds to your point.
The way I see it
Fisher is WAY more than just “the coach”. He is an institution. He is basically a big part of the FO too, even if unofficially. For many people, Fisher IS the Titans. That’s why I think it seems almost impossible to drop the hammer on him. The entire identity of the franchise is wrapped in a big stache.
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Is that tin foil hat cutting off your circulation?
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what tin foil?
You don’t think Fisher is more entrenched then some other random HC?
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He's not untouchable, and Bud's made that clear several times
tell me: after what season should Bud have fired him?
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Actions speak louder than words
He should have been fired last season, the middle of this season, yesterday, etc
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you'd fire a coach who won 8 of the last 9 games?
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i would have fired him during the bye
@ 0-6 after going 13-3 the previous year
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I would have punched him in the throat
And then fired him for putting on a Colts jersey
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by gramsey712 on Jan 4, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
that would have been the time.
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lol that works too
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It's amazing you can point out the moment in your life where you learned what true hate was
Because I can.
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That day Fisher did get fired...
from my heart. :-(
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well me to
been saying that for a month
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It's not a "Vince Young is on the roster" issue,
it’s a “the owner picked an unproven quarterback over the head coach” issue. That is what is gonna make the Titans an unattractive job if it happens.
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yes but thats assuming another coach doesnt understand that coaches get fired for simply not succeeding for long stretches of time
were assuming adams doesnt just hire a coach and say heres your roster, and the coach says okay lets see what we can do here. its all just speculation and wild hysterics. i dont know how to spell hysterics.
yawn
Why would any of those guys be in Fisher’s pocket? Give me one reason they’d trash a franchise QB to save a coach who’s hanging by a thread. Their jobs are safe. So what’s in it for them?
You can say they’ve made some bad decisions if that’s your opinion (and many would agree), but they aren’t stupid.
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Fisher has helped them keep their jobs for 17 years.
He’s done just enough to ensure no one gets fired.
Reinfeldt has only been here a few years, and Underwood is an executive who was placed by Bud
they’d both be 100% safe if Fisher got canned.
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and Reinfeldt was playing for Bud before Fisher was in high school
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You know who else played for Bud back in the day??
ANDREW LUCK’S DAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
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Is Luck from Texas?
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holy crap Andrew Luck is FROM HOUSTON
this is one Texas obsession thing of Bud’s I’ll sign off on!
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Just read something that Jerry Richardson (owner of Panthers) said they are holding onto number one pick.
Of course it’s still a long ways until April but…we may have to pull a “Ditka” as far as a trade goes if Luck is even a remote possibility for the Titans.
…and after last night’s game, I’m all for it if it gets Andrew Luck here.
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We've had five-game losing streaks for twelve years now...and in no way is that depressing.
by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 4, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, if they said they were going to trade the pick the value would plummet
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Two 1's and a 3?
By and large third round has been an achilles heel as it is (Byron Frisch anyone?)…Damian Williams may be the exception to that, but I’d part with this year’s one and three and next year’s one.
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We've had five-game losing streaks for twelve years now...and in no way is that depressing.
by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 4, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
How well did that work out for Ditka?
I do not think any unproven rookie is worth that kind of compensation.
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He gave up an entire draft's worth of picks, I'm saying give this year's 1 + 3, and next year's 1.
Still would have a good number of picks. There would be the risk of next year’s one being a high one, but if Luck were to pan out…it’d be worth it.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 4, 2011 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
too bad we can't bernie kosar him
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its not that they owe him or anything
its that these guys are obviously loyal to one another. its pretty clear when none of them have been fired for the mediocre at best decade theyve just given us. theyre not in fishers pocket, they just obviously like him and always keep him around. why would now be any different?
i may not be all "pro-fish"
we weren’t privy to the actual details of the meeting. Maybe it was just “if it has to be VY or Fish, we recommend you keep Fish”. For all we know they will go with both being gone (which of course I favor, but I still haven’t gotten a call from Bud to ask what I think)
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*it not "I"
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Good lord
If you are gonna follow the chosen one to every blog for every team he ends up playing for, you might want to learn the names of some of the OTHER members of said team.
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It seems to me that Bud is going to have to go through a lot of people to keep one player.
At this stage it seems to set up two choices:
Pres, GM who don’t want Young + new HC who presumably does
OR
Pres, GM + Fisher + New QB
I guess it could also be Pres, GM + New HC + New QB but I don’t think Bud will remove both.
Even if we were to keep Young, the fact that he could divide upper management would be a major issue (at least to me). Reinfeldt and Co. would be forced to work with a new HC and Young, or Bud would have to fire all of the management team. Neither of those options are that attractive to me.
Someone needs to tell Bud that Voldemort was the villain.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jan 4, 2011 7:48 PM CST reply actions
It absolutely sickens me that people want to trade CJ.
I can’t believe how quickly you’ve turned on him because our team imploded. Should we just not have ANY talent on our team? Trade Britt while you’re at it, because it’s not like we made the playoffs with him either! Spoiled is what it is.
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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 4, 2011 10:37 PM CST reply actions
worked out just fine for those early Cowboys teams
it’s not turning on him, I feel like we’d probably be doing him and his career a favor if we traded him.
for the record though, I don’t think it’s a teriffic move because we’d get nothing in return; the days of the Ricky Williams-for-an-entire-draft-Drafts are over. also; I just really like CJ.
Get 'em.
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by danielreese05 on Jan 4, 2011 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
My dichotomy of this situation:
Bud needs to end his decade long love affair with fellow Houston Vincent Young.
Potential can only take you so far.Eventually you have to deliver.
For all you “Hey man,Vunce is 30-17”
I dare you to break down his wins.
He has had a flash or 2,but generally he can beat a bad team.Might have 1 outta 10 against someone decent.I’m not gonna look it up,but I KNBOW NE,IND,BAL,SD,PIT has a winning record agaist him.
IMO he is mediocre at best.Sure he can run like a deer and throw the deep ball,but if the guy can’t throw a screen,read a defense,or behave emotionality like a man,then what?
And on Fisher
Yeah he probably needs to go with Harbaugh as his replacement.
Jeff can do TV for a year then get the USC job.
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