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Carson Palmer To Tennessee: Paul Kuharsky, Are You Serious?



Well, we now know that what Jeff Fisher wants most of all is a quarterback from USC. (What he wanted SECOND most of all was a running backs coach from USC, and we see how that worked out.) Why? Not just because he spent five years pouting over not getting to draft Matt Leinart in 2006 (and in my personal opinion, working to undermine the QB that his team actually did draft ever since) but because his longtime personal agent and director of public relations - excuse me, ESPN blogger/reporter Paul Kuharsky - floated the idea, then promoted the idea, and came back promoting it again to debunk the people who protested that it was a bad idea. Come to think of it, Kuharsky's PR/agent skills are in overdrive right now, as he is also providing cover for Jay Cutler (for the millionth offseason in a row ... oh gee, I wonder why some Nashville-based QBs can't do wrong with this guy while others can't do right). Now one could go on and on about the Jay Cutler thing, or about the fact that Jeff Fisher's using Nashville media guys (like Kuharsky) to publicize his own ideas and schemes so that he never has to be publicly held accountable for them himself (a guy doesn't become the longest tenured coach in the NFL despite presiding over debacle after debacle by accident) but why not go ahead and point out why bringing Carson Palmer to Nashville is a bad idea.

1. Carson Palmer is 31 years old. He has five or six good years MAX.

2. Not only is Carson Palmer 31 years old, but his body is totally shot, which means that he may not even have five or six good years left. Not only has he taken a pounding behind those notorious Cincinnati offensive lines, but he has never been the same since that horrific knee injury OR since his not quite as dramatic but very serious elbow injury on his throwing arm. When Palmer came into the NFL, he had amazing arm strength as well as very good mobility for a dropback passer. Thanks to the knee injury and the elbow injury, Palmer is just average to above average in both departments. Add that to the battering that the rest of this body has taken, and he is never going to perform at a Pro Bowl level again.

3. Carson Palmer: zero career playoff victories. And he is expected to perform better here why? Before you protest "He plays for the Bengals" I will respond "Give me the evidence that the Titans have been a better run organization that has fielded more talented teams since Jeff Fisher joined the front office and particularly since Floyd Reese was scapegoated/fired." If Palmer wasn't a difference-maker for a bad Bengals franchise/organization when he was in his prime, he won't be for the Titans.

4. But can't the franchise improve when they get rid of Fisher and his backers? Yes, but why stick the replacement with the QB that the previous coach/regime wanted? You might say that the same applies to the QB that Jeff Fisher drafts. Well, not really. Whoever the Titans' draft, it is expected that he will be the QB for the next 10-15 years if he is taken in the 1st or 2nd round (especially first). But acquiring Carson Palmer, who won't come free or cheap (he has a big contract and will take a draft pick to acquire, that is unless the Bengals are willing to trade straight up for Vince Young) would merely be a gambit for the Titans' to win now in order to save Jeff Fisher's job. The Titans should not give up draft picks and take on big veteran contracts in order to give Jeff Fisher "one last shot."

5. The evidence that Carson Palmer would be effective in Nashville: zero. Keep in mind, Palmer even in his prime owed a lot of his success to playing with receivers like Chad OchoCinco Johnson, T.J. Houshmanzadeh, the late Chris Henry (and please note that the Bengals' haven't been nearly as explosive since the other troubled West Virginia product died) and so on. Say what you want about the Bengals, they have always had the philosophy of acquiring and stockpiling as much talent at WR, TE, and RB as possible. And Palmer would go from that type of skill talent in Cincinnati to throwing to Kenny Britt, Nate Washington, Lavelle Hawkins, Justin Gage, Bo Scaife, Jared Cook, Craig Stevens, Damian Williams etc. Basically Palmer would go from being around the most talented skill players in the NFL to a bunch of guys who can't beat out Jordan Shipley.

Granted, one can make the case that a lot of these guys aren't going to be on the roster next season. Fine: who are the Titans going to replace them with? A better question: do you honestly believe that Jeff Fisher can go out and get the type of talent at WR that Carson Palmer needs - guys who can run routes, get separation, and make plays downfield consistently - and do so in the few years that Palmer has left? If he can do it now, why couldn't he do it before?

Don't get me wrong. Carson Palmer was a potential Hall of Fame talent ruined by the Bengals organization. Had he gone to a better franchise, he'd be mentioned as right up there with the other top QBs in the NFL. But facts are facts. Palmer won't produce in Nashville, he particularly won't produce with Nashville's wide receivers, and he especially won't produce in an organization coached and run by Jeff Fisher. The only reason to pretend otherwise is if you have this belief that the Titans are a dropback passer - any competent dropback passer - away from contending from the Super Bowl, instead of being a team that has serious issues on both sides of the ball that needs about 3 years of good front office moves (drafts and free agency) to fix.

We know that Jeff Fisher has this belief, which is why Fisher continued to declare the Titans to be a Super Bowl contender until well into that 0-6 start in 2009. But people who aren't Jeff Fisher know that this team needs WRs and TEs that can get open catch, interior OLs that can pass and run block, DLs that can stay healthy and play, LBs that can make plays, and can do a lot better than they have in two of the four DB spots. Sure, sign Carson Palmer and the Titans make the playoffs a couple of years (but only because the AFC South stinks ... Indianapolis is crumbling and Jacksonville and Texas are what they are) and Jeff Fisher's playoff record goes from 5-6 to 5-8. Whoopee! But do not delude yourselves: that is all that it would accomplish (and that is the ceiling mind you). And the reason for this is that the Titans won't be as talented as the other teams, including at QB, where San Diego, Pittsburgh, the Jets, Baltimore, New England and Indianapolis won't be starting passers that their organizations have allowed to be battered into lunch meat.

What the Titans need is a cheap veteran QB to keep them respectable (not really) while their new QB is acquired from the draft and developed. An alternative: trading for a QB developed by another team like Jacksonville did for Mark Brunell years ago and Kansas City did for Matt Cassel. But Carson Palmer? The only reason for it is that he is the guy that Jeff Fisher wants. Which, of course is why Paul Kuharsky is promoting it.

Acquire Carson Palmer, and you will have a guy who A) can no longer sidestep pass rushers as he once did because of his knee injury and B) can no longer rifle the ball to covered WRs as he once did because of his elbow injury and put him with a VERY bad wide receiver situation and an interior OL with protection (and run-blocking) issues. Keep in mind: a major reason why the Titans have been as effective as they have been (which isn't a whole lot) the past few years has been their having a dual threat QB, which alters a defense's coverage and blitz strategies. Yes, Kerry Collins has come in from time to time and had success, but only because it takes NFL teams awhile to adjust to lineup changes during the regular season (playoffs are a different story). But give the teams that play the Titans an entire offseason to prepare for a QB who can't scramble anymore (let alone run), no longer has elite arm strength, and has a WR corps that is basically Kenny Britt and a bunch of backups, and you will basically have the beginning of the 2008 season all over again.

Why anyone expects any different is a mystery. If you have bad players, why expect anything else but bad results? Yes, Jeff Fisher is no different. Instead, with Jeff Fisher the problem is that he refuses to acknowledge that these players are bad because he drafted them! Which is why we spend entire offseasons hearing about how great Lavelle Hawkins is, and how Javon Ringer is SO MUCH BETTER than LeGarrette Blount. I still wonder if Jeff Fisher regards Jason Babin as "a better value" than Julius Peppers (another nugget passed onto us via Kuharsky, who predicted that Peppers would bomb and be the ire of irate fans in Chicago by now ... oh yeah he also predicted that Lovie Smith would be fired and replaced by Mark Heimerdinger, who would go about the task of saving Jay Cutler's career by now too ... oh the stuff that guy gets away with saying at ESPN that would never fly if he were covering any other division than the AFC South and its small market teams).

Look, whether Kuharsky wants to face it or not, Jeff Fisher is going to be fired. The question is whether the Titans will be stuck with Carson Palmer when it  happens. Folks who want the Titans to be competitive should want the answer to be NO.

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I stopped reading after your first few lines.

I am sick and tired of the ridiculously stupid idea that Fisher tried to hurt VY’s career.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jan 26, 2011 2:46 PM CST reply actions  

I quit reading because Lurking's reading comprehension apparently sucks

Either that, or he is so intent on attacking Kuharsky that he didn’t actually read the links he linked.

The link that “came back promoting it again to debunk the people who protested that it was a bad idea” was actually Kuharsky admitting that it wasn’t such a great idea.

Nice work Lurking. Read the man’s work next time, maybe it will save you some embarrassment.

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by gramsey712 on Jan 26, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed on all accounts.

This post only served as a personal attack on Kuharsky.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jan 26, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't understand the hate Kuharsky gets.

I know he may be more dry and sarcastic, personally I appreciate that. I think it’s more he does not pander and scoffs at unrealistic scenarios like trading Player X for a ridiculously high pick. I think his unwillingness (and rightfully so) to validate stupid questions/thoughts/opinions causes people to get upset with him. At least he’s a realist, not someone who writes up articles just to incite riots (Pete Prisco…).

Future ghostwriter of Jeff Fisher's autobiography, "Moustache Ride: A True Story of Love, Lies and Betrayal".

We've had five-game losing streaks for twelve years now...and in no way is that depressing.

by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 26, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I actually like Kuharsky

That doesn’t mean I agree with everything he says.

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by gramsey712 on Jan 26, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree, I just think he gets way more hate than he should.

He’s a good writer and brings up good points. You don’t have to agree with everything, but he seems to be disliked simply because he does not pander and has a more acerbic personality and writing style. I also laugh when people accuse him of being a “Titans homer”.

Future ghostwriter of Jeff Fisher's autobiography, "Moustache Ride: A True Story of Love, Lies and Betrayal".

We've had five-game losing streaks for twelve years now...and in no way is that depressing.

by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 26, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Kuharsky does a pretty good job.

He’s definitely in-tune with the AFC South teams and while I may not agree with all his opinions, I respect his work.

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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jan 26, 2011 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Let's debunk this post...

1. Carson Palmer is indeed 31. However, we wouldn’t be asking for him to be our future quarterback, mainly, get other quarterbacks from the draft (which is usually where you get young players) to sit and learn for a year.
2. He may be dinged up, but he plays every single game. Consistency can go a long way, something our team obviously forgot. Yes, he has lost a lot, but he still has fuel in the tank.
3. 0 Playoff victories. True. Yet, so what? He took a team that was an embarrassment to professional football and in turn worked to take them to the playoffs. At least he accomplished something. Prior to this season, Aaron Rodgers didn’t have a playoff win. If this year had not happened, would you be putting those to in the same boat?
4. You are right, he is expensive. But they wouldn’t give him a new quarterback to for “one last shot”? HELLO! Thats exactly what they said they were doing. Hence why they have asserted that Vince Young isn’t coming back. Kinda means bringing in a new quarterback, especially if it is by means of the draft
5. Your statement of Chad Johnson, T.J. Houshmanzadeh, and the late Chris Henry made Carson Palmer good, is laughable. Chad Johnson WAS a good receiver in his day but he can’t catch the ball if it isn’t thrown in his direction. T.J. Houshmanzadeh is good, but if he could make Carson Palmer good, why couldn’t he make Matt Hasselbeck better? Furthermore, why does Houshmanzadeh have only 6 touchdown catches with Hasselbeck and Flacco in his last 2 years? And can’t be that good. Maybe he was good with Carson Palmer. And Chris Henry, I will not say anything about. So, yes, right now, Kenny Britt is better than those three (and Jordan Shipley, who isn’t that great), Damian Williams, who will be a very good wide out, and Nate Washington, who can sometimes bail the team out (when he doesn’t drop it).

Carson Palmer could really help this team for at least a year or two. Yes, he is expensive (and not worth it, I will not deny), but if (and this is a big if) the Titans can get him for cheaper than the Bengals will want, it wouldn’t be a bad fit.

I wonder if LenDale White should get back on the tequila...

by Bryan J. Boltik on Jan 26, 2011 3:02 PM CST reply actions  

I'll just say this now

Carson isnt the answer but he is the best stop gap this team can get while we groom a young QB under him so in 2-3 years we are prepared to win with a QB who has sat behind a good QB, something that I wish all QBs would do. Not everyone can be a Joe Flaaco (still not impressed), Mark Sanchez (just like Flaaco, still not very impressed) or Matt Ryan (…alright Matt Ryan is a hell of a lucky shot for Atlanta).

Oh hai MCM

by Dagger22 on Jan 26, 2011 3:45 PM CST reply actions  

so kenny britt

isn’t better than Jordan shipley?

31, prime age for a QB

Javon ringer is better than LeGarrette Blount.
And plus Javon can pass block and catch a lot better the Blount

Babin performed much better than Peppers and was cheaper.

also, i wish VY didn’t have to leave either, but now that he’s most likey going to the Vikings (rumors) we must move on.

Carson Palmer is the best availabe FA QB, he and Donova McNabb

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Jan 26, 2011 3:46 PM CST reply actions  

how do we know ringer blocks better and catches better

he never plays

I’m an early bird and a night owl. So I’m wise and I have worms.

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by DonFrancisco on Jan 26, 2011 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I've seen him block and catch

as for Blount
drops and bad blocking

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Jan 26, 2011 5:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Blount runs the ball wayyyyyyy better

Pretty important for a Running back… He is a rookie. He will improve in the passing game with NFL coaching and an offseason to work at it. He will probly never be as good a receiver as Ringer, but he will be a good blocker and will always be a better RB.

by Big Bad Bulluck on Jan 26, 2011 9:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't necessarily know about always

I think he’s basically Brandon Jacobs 2.0. with the way he runs, he’s bound to get hurt and slow down. Ringer was an absolute animal in college, I see no reason that he can’t translate to the NFL if he could just develop some damn patience at the line.

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by danielreese05 on Jan 26, 2011 10:04 PM CST up reply actions  

everyone keeps saying they have seen ringer block and catch

when? the preseason? Blount has proven he can do some good things when the big boys are playing. Ringer has proven himself in college and in preseason. Way to go!

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by DonFrancisco on Jan 27, 2011 9:39 AM CST up reply actions  

whoops

should have read your reply. Not knocking Ringer, but Blount would have been a 1st round pick if The Punch Heard ’Round The World had not occurred.

Ringer had an insane amount of carries his last 2 years in college. He is a decent #2 back. Blount is a no-doubt #1. Most Titans fans thought he was good as well and, like myself and my group of die-hards, freaked out when Fisher thought he could slip him onto the practice squad where he was promptly purloined by Tampa Bay.

Sorry for the run on sentence, gag that was terrible.

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by pound the rock on Jan 27, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Have to disagree

Blount came in after the 7th(?) game and posted a 1,000 yard season. He did it against NFL defenses. Right now, he is better than Javon Ringer. Blount is a huge back with good speed and shiftiness, as evidenced by his highlight-level runs this past season. Fisher admits he screwed up on letting him go.

But we did get to keep Schomer and Nickey, so we have that.

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by pound the rock on Jan 27, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

to be fair though, Carson Palmer is not a FA.

Neither is McNabb.

Ya'll don't even know he was a virgin til he was 28, and now...Roll Tide.

by rsikes on Jan 26, 2011 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Also

Not trying to disagree with you for living, but I’m pretty sure Peppers get 1000x the attention, and sees that many more double teams. There’s no comparison between Peppers and Babin, I don’t care what the sack numbers are.

by Big Bad Bulluck on Jan 26, 2011 9:10 PM CST up reply actions  

+20

I wonder if LenDale White should get back on the tequila...

by Bryan J. Boltik on Jan 27, 2011 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

I think Palmer could be a decent stop gap,

for the right price that is…but the one area I think he could help out the most in is LEADERSHIP. if he can turn things around and keep a team half way together in Cincy, than he should be just the leader we need on offense to mentor / kick people in the ass.

by bullrider73 on Jan 26, 2011 5:29 PM CST reply actions  

what

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by billycthulhu on Jan 26, 2011 10:58 PM CST reply actions  

Does anyone here think they could handle distributing the football to probably the two biggest egos in the NFL??

Trying to get the ball to TO and Ochocinco both well OUT of their primes (not if you ask them) has to be a difficult thing to do while keeping your sanity.

by fsucj2431 on Jan 27, 2011 12:13 AM CST reply actions  

'Ocho wants to fight his Lewis' now

Similar to our ex-qb & Troy Smith. When their name exceeds the players worth. It’s likely to become a problem.

Rex Ryan could handle the combo if they don’t resign Braylon. As long as the T.Ocho shows stays away from IND & NE; I could care less where they go.

Keep #84 and forget the other old FAs

by titanwarrior1 on Jan 27, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Do we have anyone on our team with the number 84?

"You know, we had a lot of fun tonight. But there's nothing funny about vapor lock! It's the third most common cause of cars stalling. So please, take care of your car and get it checked!" -Joe Namath

by billycthulhu on Jan 27, 2011 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

no he is absolutely a troll

he loves to talk about voldemort

I’m an early bird and a night owl. So I’m wise and I have worms.

BOOM! You've been pharmacisted!

by DonFrancisco on Jan 27, 2011 9:39 AM CST up reply actions  

With a name like "Lurking"...

Future ghostwriter of Jeff Fisher's autobiography, "Moustache Ride: A True Story of Love, Lies and Betrayal".

We've had five-game losing streaks for twelve years now...and in no way is that depressing.

by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 27, 2011 9:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Tooooooooooooooooo LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONGG

"Oh, you should never, never doubt what nobody is sure about." Gene Wilder - Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory

by Chris Faulkner on Jan 27, 2011 2:53 PM CST reply actions  

oh yeah by the way how was Mark Brunell "developed" before the Jags got him?

he played TWO games in Green Bay. that’s developed??

"Oh, you should never, never doubt what nobody is sure about." Gene Wilder - Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory

by Chris Faulkner on Jan 27, 2011 2:58 PM CST reply actions  

I stopped reading when he tried to claim that

What fisher wants “most of all is a QB from USC”, and his evidence is the so-called pouting for five years, and that a sportswriter suggested that Palmer might be a good candidate to fill the vacancy at QB. Can’t wait til Vince signs elsewhere so his obnoxious fanboys can invade that team’s websites.

AJS

by CalTitan on Jan 27, 2011 5:10 PM CST reply actions  

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