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What Makes a Franchise Quarterback?

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No matter what happens to Vince Young in this offseason, there will come a time where this team will need a new captain to guide this ship through the AFC's stormy waters. No matter what, we will need "The One" to achieve ultimate victory.

So what do we look for in a player like that? What are the red flags and what are the positives one tries to identify when it comes to picking the ideal guy to lead a team to glory?

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The common misconception surrounding a franchise quarterback is that he is simply the best player on the team. By that logic, the best player on the worst team in the league is a "franchise player". The franchise player should be a player that a team can build it's foreseeable future around.

The definition of a franchise QB entails several key traits: 

Leadership: the position of QB has always been about being the leader of the troops. He absolutely must be able to come back from a bad pick, game, or season and be able to keep everyone in his huddle thinking that they have a very really shot to win said game or finish said season with a deep playoff run. 

Best Example: toss up between Drew Brees and Tom Brady. Brees beat the Indy Juggernaut, Brady is a living testament to how a quarterback can actually "just win."

Should a quarterback fail to lead his team the way he has to, the team suffers chemistry problems, the level of play goes down, the energy just isn't the same. We all know this to be true. This season was a disaster because the leadership broke down. None of the players who stepped in behind center were able to direct a game. 

Honestly, this one seems pretty self explanatory; if you can't lead the offense, who do you expect to do it?

Poise: both in the pocket and between plays. It's a lot like leadership; you need to keep your head in the game so that your teammates can just worry about doing what they need to be doing so that it can be done at the highest level. 

Best Example: Mike Vick. Think about how many distractions come with playing in a city like that with the past that he's had. Vick has done a brilliant job of staying cool and keeping himself out of the negative press. 

No poise has similar consequences as no leadership. If the team doesn't trust you, they can't do their job trying to compensate.

Skill and Prowess: it's pretty straightforward; a good quarterback needs a good arm, pinpoint accuracy, and good footwork, among other things obviously. Physical tools are a major teller about how well a quarterback will adjust to the NFL There are always exceptions to the rule, Pennington with his lame duck arm, Cutler with those questionable throws, you get the idea. 

Best Example: Mike Vick again. His passing is greatly improved and we've seen what he can do on the run. He's the most complete quarterback in terms of physical tools I've seen in a long time.

Without the physical aspect of the game, you get a carbon copy of Chad Pennington at best. He's not a slouch, he is in fact the career leader in completion percentage, but he threw tons and tons of these short little high percentage routes which really limited his game. 

Toughness: the Steve McNair syndrome. If you can gain respect from your teammates, you can get them to go above and beyond for your cause. Someone who can lead by example and play though pain instantly earns respect. And yes, it's something earned, not given. 

Best Example: while he's no longer in the league, Steve McNair is the toughest quarterback to play the game in ages. 

Without toughness, you get what Vince Young gave us and that would be one big headache. I'm all for a second chance, but he's got to earn it by playing through some pain every once in awhile.

There are other characteristics one must posses in order to thrive in the NFL, but in the interest of time, space, and being redundant, I'll leave it at that.

Here's the main point; the notion that waiting until later than the second round is absurd. Name me 5 starting quarterbacks in the NFL that you could build a franchise around that were drafted in the third round or later. You can't do it.

My list of true franchise QB's looks like this: Rothlisberger, Flacco, Brees, Manning, Brady, Rivers, Vick, Rodgers, Bradford, maybe you can throw Stafford on there, and Ryan. All of the guys I put up there were drafted in the first 33 picks with the exception of Brady. Six of them were selected with a top five pick, four went number one overall. The other two selected in the first round, Flacco and Rothlisberger, were picked at number 18 and 11 respectively. Brees went with the first pick of the second round. Brady is an enigma. It's been more or less proven that any QB worth anything can succeed in Belicheck's system given Cassell's successes and Brady's earth-shattering 2007 season. 

Hear me out friends, if we really are just going to blow this up and start over, our top ten selection must be used on a quarterback. 

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Perfect Explanation

As a Lions fan also, I must say I disagree about Srafford, though. He gets injured way too much, and they have been winning games without him. However, everyone else is perfect. Good job with the information about when every one of them was drafted.

I really think that we need to draft Cam Newton (say he goes pro) or Andrew Luck in the first round. Simple as that.

Dave Ball + Jason Jones + Tony Brown + Jason Babin = Unstoppable

by MikeGriffFan27 on Jan 1, 2011 9:00 AM CST reply actions  

when he's healthy though he makes them pretty damn good

Stafford’s a top QB, just needs to make it through the year. I think it’s clear that he’s the answer for the Lions long-term.

Get 'em.
"it ain't no sin in goin to da scrip club."
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by danielreese05 on Jan 1, 2011 9:16 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

All of these things are true.

But how can we know any of these rookies have it? Luck is said to be a sure thing, but anybody who believes in a sure thing is a fool. Locker has infinitely regressed, Cam Newton is not mature enough by far (and only has one year of play to say that he is any good), Mallet is only average from what I’ve seen. We aren’t going to trade up to get Luck by any stretch of the imagination. Who is it that we can draft?

Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove

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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 1, 2011 9:07 AM CST reply actions  

maybe you're right

Maybe we should wait for next year. I think that if they picked Mallett he could thrive in this system. Say what you will about him, he’s getting it done in the SEC and has a cannon for an arm. He’s working with at least one top flight receiver and a top 5 running game next year even assuming he starts from day 1.

Agree on Locker, he’s Jevan Snead 2.0, not sold on Newton but I think he’s more mature than we give him credit for.

That being said, I would also wait a year if it was hinted that we could get something better.

Get 'em.
"it ain't no sin in goin to da scrip club."
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by danielreese05 on Jan 1, 2011 9:14 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

After seeing his interview and his refusal to answer questions

I doubt he is any more than a big kid. And i’m not sold on Mallett, but then again I’m not sold on anyone. I will be able to get myself excited for ANYONE as long as its a new HC and a new QB.

Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove

Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010

by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 1, 2011 9:50 AM CST up reply actions  

maybe

I think he’ll be number 1 next year too. if Bradford taught me anything, it’s that even if you suffer a debilitating injury you can survive on reputation alone if the need is there for a franchise QB (which there always is).

also I doubt he suffers a Locker-esque drop off. his team is loaded and he’s not coming off just one good year. he had a solid freshman season and improved on it greatly this year. his completion % went up about 15 points or something like that.

Get 'em.
"it ain't no sin in goin to da scrip club."
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010

by danielreese05 on Jan 1, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree he'll probably still be the #1 pick

Every drafts site I’ve seen talks about him like he’s the best prospect they’ve ever seen. However, there is a big probability that the new CBA has a rookie pay scale.

by theologic on Jan 1, 2011 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

right

totally forgot about the CBA thing. just think; we might not have a season next year.

Get 'em.
"it ain't no sin in goin to da scrip club."
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by danielreese05 on Jan 1, 2011 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I try not to think about it

It’s seriously one of the the most depressing things I’ve ever heard considered.

by theologic on Jan 1, 2011 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

isn't it though?

I can’t imagine a fall without the NFL.

Get 'em.
"it ain't no sin in goin to da scrip club."
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010

by danielreese05 on Jan 1, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

I've been pretending like that possibility doesn't exist.

If there’s not a football season next year, I don’t know what I’ll do with myself.

"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"

by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 1, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm honestly shocked at how little the possibility has been entertained

It’s like the media is just gonna stick their heads in the sand until it goes away. This is seriously a big deal. A year without the NFL would be disastrous.

Get 'em.
"it ain't no sin in goin to da scrip club."
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010

by danielreese05 on Jan 1, 2011 1:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I think generally

Most people media and the layperson alike can’t imagine that the players and owners would let a lockout derail the money train that is the NFL right now. I would argue it was the baseball strike in in the early 90s that allowed NFL to stomp the life out of every other sport for the past several years. To a logical person the last thing you want people to find out is that they can have fun going fishing on Sundays instead of shelling out 100 dollars for tickets and beer at LP field.

by asbestos_man on Jan 1, 2011 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, the media has been pretty quiet about it, until now.

But I think it will be a big talking point as we get into the offseason. For now, there’s enough actual football to talk about.

"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"

by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 1, 2011 5:12 PM CST up reply actions  

*sophomore season

not freshman

Get 'em.
"it ain't no sin in goin to da scrip club."
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010

by danielreese05 on Jan 1, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Possible reasons VY isn't a Franchise QB?

I’ve been reading Pat Kirwin’s book "Take Your Eye Off The Ball’. Great book to try and increase my football knowledge. Here’s a small portion of what he has to say about QB preparation:

“A quarterback’s job begins earlier in the week than any other player’s. By the time the rest of the team comes in on Wednesday to get the game plan for Sunday’s game, the quarterback already knows it backward and forward… By the time Friday’s practice is finished, the quarterback will have played an active role-an integral role, in the cases of the true greats-in shaping the game plan. He will have become an expert on the opponent’s personnel and tendencies and he will have an intimate knowledge of everyone’s responsibilities in his own offense. No player will have a better sense of what is working and what isn’t.”

Now I have no idea what goes on at Baptist Sports Park, but I would spit out my coffee if VY was doing any of that.

by theologic on Jan 1, 2011 10:37 AM CST reply actions  

that's certainly got a lot to do with it

preparation is something that I think comes with leadership and confidence. if you’re not prepared to do your best, how can you inspire others to do the same?

something else I noticed; this list I made is a representation of everything I think Vince has done wrong so far aside from being physically ready (which in itself is debatable). it wasn’t meant to be, but whether he was given a fair shot or not, he didn’t make the most of his opportunity.

Get 'em.
"it ain't no sin in goin to da scrip club."
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010

by danielreese05 on Jan 1, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Too bad Bud loves Vince

I think VY is gonna be around here for a while.

by BadV6Blazer on Jan 1, 2011 2:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

if VY wasnt prepared for games..

Then theres no way he would have a winning record!

by datboybevans on Jan 1, 2011 8:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Yall are fools...

Every game VY has played our team played strong and insync and you all act as of you haven’t seen that! He only problem here has been with JF and nobody else. The entire league knows what VY is capable of but some of you still don’t realize that. No one has ever said that he was not capable of being a franchise qb besides some of fans that havent looked at the bigger picture! You talk about JF being picked up as soon as he is cut. I can guarantee that VY will be picked up within s week after he is cut, and he would probably go to the Jags because he fits there system! I also doubt we would be able to beat them with VY as the qb! So you better think about what your asking for because JF being a Texan is the least of our worries!

by datboybevans on Jan 1, 2011 8:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Are you calling me a fool?

How about instead of insulting me and using loose anecdotal evidence you hit me with an argument that convinces me VY was doing any of those things Pat Kirwin listed?

Or maybe you also decide to see the entire picture instead of only seeing the games that support your argument? VY had some horrible games. He played well against average teams, but often struggled against the upper echelon. Also, there was always one bonehead fumble or int that made you facepalm.

VY is extremely talented but to be a Franchise QB you need to be a leader on the team. You have to study the game plan and your opponent. I believe VY is talented enough to be good, but doesn’t study enough to be great. Maybe one day he’ll get it but as of right now he has not. If you disagree fine, but have a mature argument before you call someone a fool.

Also, the decision to keep a flawed player or coach should not be based on fear.

by theologic on Jan 2, 2011 12:58 AM CST up reply actions  

For one..

You say he’s not a good leader… how would you know when your not on the team? Two his teammates constantly say he is a good leader along with Warren Moon and others but I guess their opinios dont matter. Three is obviously he studies because he wins. And I will say again I won’t be bought on him not being a good QB until I see him under a coach that believes in him!

by datboybevans on Jan 2, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

"Obviously he studies because he wins" Really brah? Really?

1) Mawae said in an interview that he was not a leader on the field. Mawae does not have a dog in the fight. He has no reason to lie. Also there have been rumors that VY does not spend as much time studying and I think Fisher’s dislike of him and his inability to move to the next level are additional hints. Why would Fisher dislike a QB that was working his butt off. Also, he quit on his team so… yeah he’s not a good leader. Leaders don’t walk out.

2) The players still on the team can expect to have to see VY and play with him and may be his friends. Really tho I have heard them say “He’s my guy” or something like that more than him being a leader. And how many of those players have played for any QB other than Young. Do they even know what a NFL Franchise QB is supposed to look like?

3) I think his physical skills and passion carried him to wins. Unfortunately being a Franchise QB takes more than that.

by theologic on Jan 2, 2011 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Point 1 is the most telling.

Mawae saying he’s not a leader is all I need to hear to know it’s true. Mawae has been around a long time. Mawae is a leader, and Mawae has played with leaders.

The fact that he does have all the physical tools and the apparent passion are what bother me the most. He has almost all of what it takes, he’s just too emotionally unstable and not enough of a leader. If he could have taken his passion and turned it into hard work and developed into a leader, he has the skills to be an elite player in this league.

"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"

by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 2, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

so i guess..

The players are lying when they said VY is a good leader?

by datboybevans on Jan 2, 2011 2:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Have players directly said that he's a good leader?

I know guys like Scaife have taken up for him and like playing with him, but that’s different from him being a good leader.

And either way, you don’t throw your teammates under the bus.

"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"

by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 2, 2011 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

hate to say it but...

it’s hard to disagree that Peyton Manning has all of these qualities.

great stuff daniel.

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by Pinoy Titan on Jan 1, 2011 11:07 AM CST reply actions  

Peyton is still the best in my opinion.

He’s had a rough year, but it’s hard to have a better year than all his past. Brady is #2 to me.

Dave Ball + Jason Jones + Tony Brown + Jason Babin = Unstoppable

by MikeGriffFan27 on Jan 1, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

and there you have it

selected number one overall from an SEC school. it’s not an absoulte, but it seems like that the SEC is the ultimate trial by fire when judging how good a qb can be.

I’ll stay local and point out that Tyler Bray seems to have an excellent future ahead of him. I’m not willing to wait quite that long but maybe he’s Indy’s next QB after the GOAT (that’s right I said it) retires.

Get 'em.
"it ain't no sin in goin to da scrip club."
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by danielreese05 on Jan 1, 2011 12:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

JaMarcus Russell...Tim Couch...Rex Grossman...

Not to get into a debate on SEC vs. rest of college football (I am a pro football guy, will watch college game just cause I love football in general, but have no allegiances at that level), but not so sure that SEC QB is a good indicator of whether a QB will be successful in the NFL.

Look at current young studs like Matt Ryan (Boston College), Joe Flacco (Delaware…Delaware! Though I believe he started out at Pitt), Josh Freeman (Kansas State). Even the elite guys like Brees (Purdue) and Brady (Michigan) weren’t SEC.

I really think when it comes to QB, it’s really a matter of the individual moreso than what team or conference they were in. Playing tougher competition may help them somewhat in development, but then again, playing in the SEC didn’t really do much for Russell now did it?

I have many leather-bound books, and my apartment smells of rich mahogany. And there's this awesome Chris Johnson Fathead over the wood paneling. Seriously, it's kind of a big deal...

by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 1, 2011 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

both Mannings, Stafford, Cutler (really could go both ways but you get the point)

you’re looking at a nice crop. I see that good QBs can come out of anywhere, but shredding SEC defenses like Mallett does is impressive considering how good some of the d-backs are this year.

Get 'em.
"it ain't no sin in goin to da scrip club."
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010

by danielreese05 on Jan 1, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

The only 2 QB's I would want us to draft are

Ryan Mallett or Blaine Gabbert. For Mallett, say what you want but he’s been very good against these SEC defenses, so you’ve gotta give him credit. I don’t know that much about Gabbert, but I’ve been reading up on him a little bit and he sounds for real. And I’m just assuming Luck gets picked #1.. obviously if somehow he was miraculously available, we need to get him

Patrick Peterson= Next Deion Sanders. Julio Jones sucks.

by trevor2013 on Jan 1, 2011 11:13 AM CST reply actions  

Excellent post......

The problem with VY is… he is between a bust and the top tier. Why? His record as a starter is 30-17. Which is pretty good. I am NOT a VY guy. I’m for sending his DIVA booty back to Texas and fire the tenured coach of the NFL I’m willing to start all over and suffer through some losing seasons to get back to being a contender in the league. Kevin Kobb might be available but you will have to give up a first round pick this year. Maybe a second and a third round down the road to pry him away from the Eagles. Flacco, Ryan, Sanchez, and now Sam Bradford all first round picks who started immediately. The common thread for starting these rookies was each team had a strong running game which allowed the rookie QB to be a game manager. They could learn in real time situations yet the strong running game took the pressure off them to produce immediately. Taking a QB in the first round might be the way to go once the VY v Fisher situation is resolved. I’ll recommend this post.

by jmkiii58 on Jan 1, 2011 11:37 AM CST reply actions  

Kolb isn't an answer

He was drafted to be a west coast QB fits very well in that system. So saying the cost to get him far exceeds the potential to pick up QB in the first round. I don’t think you should trade any player for more than a first round pick and to me Kolb hasn’t done enough to prove he can be a serviceable starter in this league.

by asbestos_man on Jan 1, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Put Manning's brain and Brady's "intangibles" in Young's body and you'd have the perfect NFL QB.

Athletically he’s the best this side of Vick, it’s his mental game that let’s you down. And that 30-17 record includes bad losses to some of the elite teams that he was drafted to beat and have come at inopportune times (SD last year when playoffs were still possible), or when the team was essentially out of it all ready (last year’s finish at 0-6 start, 2006 when team started 1-5 and finished 8-8).

I have many leather-bound books, and my apartment smells of rich mahogany. And there's this awesome Chris Johnson Fathead over the wood paneling. Seriously, it's kind of a big deal...

by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 1, 2011 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

he's not Vick

Vick is a total freak, I don’t think Young can ever reach his level in terms of raw athleticism. Vick was one of the fastest players in the NFL when he went to prison. not just QB’s, just overall players.

Get 'em.
"it ain't no sin in goin to da scrip club."
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by danielreese05 on Jan 1, 2011 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't say he was Vick, best athletically "this side of Vick".

Vick is having a phenomenal renaissance and right now there is not a more dangerous pass/run threat than him. BUT, he is still somewhat limited by his size. Yes, he has been able to work around that and he has a cannon for an arm, but one bad hit (and he’s taken many this year) and he could be done. Then again, “The Nameless” has proven far less durable this year.

I was simply going off of Young’s size and his deep ball. If he had the brain of Manning to study opponents and dissect their weaknesses, combined with the leadership intangibles of Brady…and a more accurate short-to-intermediate game…I don’t think there would be a better QB in the league.

Being athletically gifted without the other qualities you list means no franchise QB, thus I agree with jmkill58 that he is somewhere in between and his play reflects that.

Just making an opinionated observation really about Young needing the other qualities to be a true “franchise QB”.

I have many leather-bound books, and my apartment smells of rich mahogany. And there's this awesome Chris Johnson Fathead over the wood paneling. Seriously, it's kind of a big deal...

by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 1, 2011 5:12 PM CST up reply actions  

EAGLES build the gameplan around...

Vick unlike we did with VY, so non of use know what VY is capable of in a good scheme!

by datboybevans on Jan 1, 2011 8:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

We do know what he is capable of....

that is plenty of DRAMA like the women on any of BRAVOs Real Housewife series.

by jmkiii58 on Jan 1, 2011 9:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes quarterbacks are divas but......

Yes quarterbacks in the NFL do have some diva in them. But neither Manning, Brady, Brees cuss their coach out in front of the team. Also neither of those guys have serious maturity issues off the field. Peyton frequently goes back to Rocky Top and is seen as a successful alumnus. VY goes back to Texas to relive his glory days as a high school/college legend. I compare him to the women on that outrageous show for the train wrecks they(VY) create. There has been five years of drama on and off the field with VY.(Remember those internet photos of a intoxicated, shirtless VY with other intoxicated shirtless dudes or in 08 when he didn’t want to go in after a tough day against Jacksonville) Enough is enough. If VY is your guy just make sure you have a burnt orange longhorn jersey on. A rattler, a pacifier and continue to tell him how great he is.

by jmkiii58 on Jan 2, 2011 1:10 AM CST up reply actions  

You can't knock a player for going home..

and remembering where he is from! Hell Brady and Peyton do shit too but they have been in the league long enough to know that they have to cover some things up. You hardly ever hear about thier personal live. And Brady has his body guards to ensure people stay out of his business! So you can’t say what doesn’t happen with them guys, you just think that if you don’t see it then it’s okay! VY hasn’t done shit serious enough to even have a story about it, but you sit here trying to magnify it! Plenty of players have had arguments with their coaches just because its not in a story line doesn’t mean it doesnt happen! They are grown ass men and grown men curse! I’m sure JF curses all the time during practices and even games when players mess up!

by datboybevans on Jan 2, 2011 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Obviously we will have different opinions on Nene err VY...

IF Brady, Manning, or Brees cussed out their coach IN FRONT OF HIS TEAMMATES not in an office meeting between them and their head coach wouldn’t get out please keep watching MSNBC so you can get the proper spin on what happened after the Titans v Redskins game. For the rest of us who got the Fox News version we have already decided on our Housewife QB. Keep ignoring the obvious…. I stated two points which you chose to ignore but hey VY needs his diaper changed and a fresh bottle so go get it for him while you are still his guy.

by jmkiii58 on Jan 2, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

for all i care JF

Needed his chops busted for all the stupid mess he been putting VY and the team through, a person can only take so much from someone. It’s all good though because as long as JF is gone I’m happy

by datboybevans on Jan 2, 2011 2:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Finally a point we can agree on.

I want Fisher fired too. Just because I believe he has been here too long and his message, style has gotten stale. I don’t believe he is a great coach. Just a good one. In my opinion, great coaches in the NFL win Super Bowls(i.e. Bill Belichik three time winner., Mike Tomlin or Sean Payton are next if they win another one). Longevity has it place. Coach Fisher has been here long enough. This team has had two six game losing streaks over the last two years. Anywhere but here the coach is fired. It is time for Fisher to go.

by jmkiii58 on Jan 2, 2011 9:14 PM CST up reply actions  

for all i care JF

Needed his chops busted for all the stupid mess he been putting VY and the team through, a person can only take so much from someone. It’s all good though because as long as JF is gone I’m happy

by datboybevans on Jan 2, 2011 2:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

All QBs are Divas,

And your a fool if you don’t see that! Look at all the sucessful QBs around the league they do plenty to show it! Most of them are happy because their team loves them so all the things they do are positive and not really on the radar but if they start to lose you see what happens then! Your emotions don’t have anything to do with how you play on the field, aslong as when your on the field your are giving your all!

by datboybevans on Jan 1, 2011 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

But Mr Young doesnt give his all

And that sir is the whole point. Lack of game prep etc etc.. He should be the first one in the building and the last one gone. Even if he hates the long hours its something he has to do. Its part of the job.

"The best years the Titans franchise has ever seen were the years when Steve was our quarterback."

by MexicanTitanFreak on Jan 1, 2011 11:02 PM CST up reply actions  

And let me guess..

you were standing at his locker when he failed to show up! All this mess is made up! How does he have all those 4th quarter comebacks if he doesn’t prepare well? Doesn’t add up! Bad preparation means lost games not wins!

by datboybevans on Jan 1, 2011 11:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Ahh combacks mean that

the team was losing. Cant always rely on 4th quarter comebacks. but you have your opinion and i have mine.

"The best years the Titans franchise has ever seen were the years when Steve was our quarterback."

by MexicanTitanFreak on Jan 1, 2011 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

With VY..

Our offense scores TDs and we were ranked in the Top 5 in Offense without him we are ranked far worst! 16 as of today.

by datboybevans on Jan 1, 2011 11:12 PM CST up reply actions  

No we don't have too..

Coach Fisher has told us that VY doesn’t prepare as he needs too. Again, after the Steeler loss it was leaked VY didn’t commit the time necessary to be prepared to face the Steelers in week two.

by jmkiii58 on Jan 2, 2011 1:11 AM CST up reply actions  

DUDE JF didn't even allow,

VY to play like he normally would he hardly let him throw the ball! JF is a coward when it comes to play calling and we all have seen that! And JF wants to make VY look bad and we all know that too! JF says whatever he can to cover his own tail! VY threw 2 picks versus Steelers but they have an exellent defense and what QB doesn’t have a rough game against them? But as for stats go VY didn’t throw another INT until the Miami game so I will take VY 3 picks vs Colling 10 any day!

by datboybevans on Jan 2, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Peyton Manning, perhaps the best to ever do itis

is absolutely not a diva

Get 'em.
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by danielreese05 on Jan 2, 2011 12:16 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Are you sick!

Manning loves the spot light as he should! Just because he stays on the low doesn’t mean he is not a Diva!

by datboybevans on Jan 2, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

it absolutely does

a diva would be like Sanchez, Namath, people like that who make stupid guarantees and talk smack and buy into their own hype. loving the spotlight is not what makes you a diva.

Get 'em.
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by danielreese05 on Jan 2, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Other than being in 1000 commercials,

I can’t tell that Manning likes the spotlight, even.

I mean, he doesn’t run his mouth, he doesn’t bring the spotlight on himself, he just lives and breathes football. He always says the right thing in press conferences, he always takes the blame for mistakes, the list goes on and on. He’s pretty much the prototype for what you want a QB to be to your franchise.

All that said, I hope we kick his ass today.

"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"

by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 2, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I won't lie

I love watching that giant forehead play football

Get 'em.
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by danielreese05 on Jan 2, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh yeah, I do, too. He's one of a kind.

When his career is over, I think he’ll be considered by many to be the best ever.

I still root for him to lose for the sake of the Titans every week, though, haha.

"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"

by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 2, 2011 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with you datboyevans the teams love the QB as long as he wins. With Roethlisbergers off the field issues the steelers would have ditched him like they did Holmes, if Big Ben didnt win two super bowls. They also realize Ben has alot of seasons left to win even more.

by titansfan7 on Jan 2, 2011 3:24 AM CST up reply actions  

As does VY..

These guys are payed to play football, not live the lives we want them to live! VY ain’t breaking any laws so get off his back! People want to lose a good QB over dumb stuff!

by datboybevans on Jan 2, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

Nameless= spolied talent. Sad but true.

"The best years the Titans franchise has ever seen were the years when Steve was our quarterback."

by MexicanTitanFreak on Jan 1, 2011 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

But..

VY is a easy fix…Takes a good coach to teach him how to handle his small issues. People here act like he has a serious problem! He is a very huge competitor and wants to win, so he blows up when he is in a situation where he feels he can’t contribute to his team! How is that so bad? JF never tried to help VY be the best he could be, it took him going and working out with other QBs in order to learn! And you blame VY for that! Any QB in this league would have failed under what VY has had to deal with but VY at least kept playing hard for the players on the team!

by datboybevans on Jan 1, 2011 11:03 PM CST up reply actions  

He has been in the league

for 5 years, some things you gotta do on your own. Not pout in a corner and whine that no one wants to show me like a child.

"The best years the Titans franchise has ever seen were the years when Steve was our quarterback."

by MexicanTitanFreak on Jan 1, 2011 11:06 PM CST up reply actions  

When you learning a new system every other year.

Then you still need help, you act like he’s been learning the same playbook for 5 years! He has done exellent with the playbook and with new recievers at that! No real big time threat besides Britt and he just got to the team and just started to start games half way through the season! VY begged for years for a big time wideout and JF denied him!

by datboybevans on Jan 1, 2011 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

All I want is to see VY..

the last year of his contract, with a new HC and Offensive coordinator that can create plays to the strenghts of the offense! If he plays bad and still has a few blowups then….let him go. Hell even draft a QB if you want just in case because Rusty and Collins aren’t even close to the answer! But I’m sure we won’t have a chance at drafting a good QB with out position in picks!

by datboybevans on Jan 1, 2011 11:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I like this post.

And I think when you get used to watching a Franchise QB (like Steve McNair) you can be lulled to sleep.

However, when watching a QB like Vince Young, what he’s NOT doing becomes glaringly obvious at one point or another, especially when you were used to seeing the real thing.

"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"

by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 1, 2011 1:00 PM CST reply actions  

I know what you mean

I also have the privelage (yes the PRIVELAGE) to watch Joe Flacco every Sunday should I choose to do so. He’s tons of fun to watch even in that Baltimore offense that has unfortunately been dumbed down this year.

Get 'em.
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by danielreese05 on Jan 1, 2011 1:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Joe Montana, Johnny Unitas, Kurt Warner, Rodger Staubach, Norm Van Brocklin

Were all taken during/after the third round

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by NJD28 on Jan 1, 2011 2:05 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

aside from Warner, maybe Montanna,

those were very different times. the passing game wasn’t nearly as evolved as it is today.

plus, the challenge was more for you to name 5 in the league today. those guys were all good players, but they’re all ancient history. if we were looking at historical references I’d give you Warren Moon too.

Get 'em.
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by danielreese05 on Jan 1, 2011 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Fair enough I just feel that just because they were old school that docent make them any worse at playing the QB position

Other than that it was a great post

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by NJD28 on Jan 1, 2011 3:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

While technically true, that's kind of a misleading statement...

The NFL hasn’t even been around for a century

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by billycthulhu on Jan 1, 2011 8:00 PM CST up reply actions  

As a Colts fan, you can guess who I think best defines a franchise Qb

and I agree with your list with the possible exceptions of Flacco and Stafford, who have potential but have yet to prove it on the field. Bradford seems like he’s on the way.

I’d add Intelligence or maybe call it Football IQ. Those guys, like Peyton, Brady, Brees and Rivers put in the hours to take every little advantage they can find.

Good article – and I gather by reading this blog that you’re not sold on VY being the franchise QB?

by smonroe on Jan 1, 2011 4:00 PM CST reply actions  

obviously, Manning is the embodiment of a near-perfect QB

if he were just a bit more mobile…but yes, I totally agree, I said Manning was the greatest of all time and I’ll defend that until I die. I think Flacco is there, he rode the defense for the first year, second year avoided the sophomore slump and guided his team to the playoffs yet again, and this year he finally has a threat in Boldin. I think next year when they get Boldin involved more after a full season that we’ll see his stats spike. Flacco’s deep ball is a beauty, his leadership is great, football IQ is high, he’s got that Ravens set up for a long time. Stafford is my pick for comeback player of the year next year and, at the very least, will get the start in the Pro Bowl in maybe 2 or 3. he’s a very very good player who just needs to keep his shoulder healthy. in fact, he reminds me a lot of Manning with his arm strength and accuracy.

I considered intelligence as well, but I know that guys like Terry Bradshaw weren’t very smart and yet still managed to pull off a great career. that being said, I know exactly what you’re talking about, the bonus hours you’re talking about are what Vince Young refuses to put in. in order to be a good player, you’ve just got to work which is the foundation of why I don’t think he’s the franchise QB.

Get 'em.
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by danielreese05 on Jan 1, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Manning is a great QB

But IMO the best ever is Joe Montana.

The guy never made a mistake in big games,dozens of them.

by BadV6Blazer on Jan 1, 2011 6:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

this sounds a little bit like the VINCE JUST WINZZZZ argument

When Manning’s done we’ll see

Get 'em.
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by danielreese05 on Jan 2, 2011 12:24 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

this sounds a little bit like the VINCE JUST WINZZZZ argument

When Manning’s done we’ll see

Get 'em.
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by danielreese05 on Jan 2, 2011 12:25 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

were is this...

VY has a bad work ethic coming from anyway?

by datboybevans on Jan 1, 2011 8:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

You cant be serious with that question...

"The best years the Titans franchise has ever seen were the years when Steve was our quarterback."

by MexicanTitanFreak on Jan 1, 2011 11:04 PM CST up reply actions  

VY has came along way..

When it comes to reading defenses.. he hasn’t even really had ints this year! Fumbles yes but look at how he fumbled!

by datboybevans on Jan 1, 2011 11:07 PM CST up reply actions  

He fumbled against the Redskins because he was sticking the ball straight out as he was running rather than tucking.

A fundamental thing that most players (especially runners) learn from day one…tuck the ball when you’re running.

A lost fumble is just as bad as an INT, a turnover is a turnover. And for his 2010 season, “The Nameless” had 6 fumbles, losing 4 of them.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 2, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

And Vick does the same thing!

But who talking about that! QBs hardly tuck the ball because they are still looking for the pass! And KC has more fumbles than VY and a lot of QBs fumble due to bad snaps so no fumbles aren’t the same as INTs because they are not always the QBs fault!

by datboybevans on Jan 2, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Pretty sure Young had all ready gone roughly 15 yards downfield, can't look to pass then.

I’m not going to get into an argument on Young and his merits/lack thereof, it’s happened a lot all ready and is probably going to even moreso in the offseason.

My personal opinion is that he is still making mistakes unbecoming of a fifth-year NFL pro, especially a QB drafted to be a franchise one.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 2, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Both Manning has thrown an career high of INTS...

This year but to you hear the teams talking about cutting them? No! Because their front office has more since, and I see that Tennesses front office doen’t and they don’t know how to stay out the loop. Maybe they need to work on some things too! VY aint the only guy that need work!

by datboybevans on Jan 2, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

he is without a doubt the smartest. not sure who the second smartest is, but its a distant second for sure.

cant believe how many times i’ve seen him catch guys with 12 men on the field. its no big secret, yet he still pulls it off almost once a game. that one play can be the difference.

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by stetix01 on Jan 1, 2011 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Does their "OC" even call plays?

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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 1, 2011 7:50 PM CST up reply actions  

From what I understand,

Peyton gets a few different plays sent into the huddle, and he calls the one he wants, or something to that effect.

Then, of course, he has the full playbook at his disposal to audible to, if need be.

"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"

by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 1, 2011 8:30 PM CST up reply actions  

That was my thinking, I was being somewhat sarcastic as well.

I’m pretty sure the OC (Clyde Christensen right?) actually does develop a gameplan and calls in plays, then Manning can either go with what was called or audible at the line based on coverage.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 1, 2011 10:34 PM CST up reply actions  

chews alot of gum

"hey, quit reading these ridiculous words of wisdom and get back to work!"

Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010

by stetix01 on Jan 2, 2011 8:50 AM CST up reply actions  

I thought that was Sean Payton? Ha!

I love the clip of him from the Super Bowl asking for Juicy Fruit.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 2, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Andy Dalton is doing well right now.

What does everyone think of him?

Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove

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by BonzosMontreaux on Jan 1, 2011 4:44 PM CST reply actions  

probably about the 5th or 6th best QB available now that Luck's going back to Stanford

Mallett, Newton, Stanzi, Devlin, Locker, possibly Enderle are better than him in terms of draft stock. I’m looking into my crystal ball here and he my prediction is that he may go as early as round 4 and as late as 7.

Get 'em.
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by danielreese05 on Jan 1, 2011 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

If he has the arm

then he can be productive in the current Titans offense. Remember you don’t have to be Peyton to be awesome with the talent we have. You just have to deliver the ball and not make negative plays.

by asbestos_man on Jan 1, 2011 6:44 PM CST up reply actions  

But see: The two QB's we already have have all but one of these traits.

VY – Doesn’t have ‘Toughness’.
Kerry Collins – Doesn’t have ‘Skill & Prowess’.

And look, just those two missing pieces in them have resulted in bad things happening to them and the team. So basically, we need a QB that has every single quality described to have a franchise QB.

That’s a huge long-shot, but look: We have two QB’s (one old and one young) that are only one major piece out of being our Franchise QB.

Who’s the say our franchise quarterback isn’t already in Nashville?

[enter some witty remark here]

by fanoftheunderdogs on Jan 1, 2011 8:32 PM CST reply actions  

um

me. No playoff wins in how many years again? We havet had a qb play 16 weeks in like 4 years. I don’t think its a huge stretch either. Of the QB’s I showed, all but one was taken outside of the first 33 picks. The formula for success is right in front of us and has been for years.

I want to believe Vince is the guy, I really do, but until he starts playing more like McNair and less like he is right now then I just can’t do it.

Get 'em.
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by danielreese05 on Jan 2, 2011 12:21 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

less like he is right now

Kinda a moot point to talk about how he has been playing as of late considering he was on IR since the Redskins game. And before that, he was playing well.

[enter some witty remark here]

by fanoftheunderdogs on Jan 3, 2011 7:27 AM CST up reply actions  

it's not moot

he’s not at the level I want him to be at or at the level of a franchise QB. still a one read QB, still has trouble with intermediate throws, still kind of a bitch.

Get 'em.
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by danielreese05 on Jan 3, 2011 8:02 AM CST up reply actions  

not Vy fault...

That JF doesn’t allow him to get patched up and return to the field! I will never call VY a bad qb until I see him do bad under a new HC.

by datboybevans on Jan 1, 2011 8:42 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

And not TC's fault

that VY didn’t want to go back into a game that his team was winning because he got his feelings hurt.

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by Jimmy on Jan 2, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I wondered who TC was for a moment.

If we won’t even use his initials, it’s really time for him to go.

"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"

by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 2, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Great Post

But I’d add a couple of things to what defines a franchise QB in this day and age.

Many of you have posted about it, and it might fall under leadership, but in today’s game, the Quarterback, has to be an off the field film junkie as much as anything else. That’s where guys like Manning and Brees get their edge, not just on superior talent. If you truely want to be a winner in this day in age, you can either be more athletic than everyone like Vick, or be the best prepared. This isn’t just knowing your team, but it’s knowing the ever changing, and constantly changing defensive schemes of your opponents. I’m sure the O coordinator has a lot to do with your scheme as well, but a guy like Manning already knows what’s coming at him, and seems to suggest/ know what to do with or without his coordinator’s permission.

Unfortunately Vince, who may have fallen under the athletic enough to win category, doesn’t fall into that workaholic category that will carry his career for years to come. Of the QB’s available in the draft, I’d be very careful to make sure that if you draft one, he is a football junky, and not a codine junky like Jamarcus Russell.

Also a good offensive line…which the QB doesn’t really control anyway, but I’m sure there are a lot of greats, who never got past their three step drop before they were running for their lives.

Again great post/ happy new year Titan Fans, hopefully better things are on the horizon.

by Jeff Fisher's Power Stache on Jan 1, 2011 9:55 PM CST reply actions  

Hall of Fame quarterback Warren Moon ON VY

“There’s no question he has a tremendous amount of talent, and he has some pretty good leadership skills,” Moon said. "I don’t think he’ll ever be a prototypical pocket passer like a Peyton Manning, Tom Brady or Drew Brees, but the guy does bring some intangibles to the table those other guys don’t offer.
“He also wins. That’s one of the most important things. Any team he goes to ends up winning football games. He just does it in a different way.”
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20110102/SPORTS01/101020362/2196
And Moon know what he talking about.
We have franchise QB in VY . We need a Coach .

by Alway Learning on Jan 2, 2011 9:11 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

At the pro level, he wins against the average-to-bad teams or has come in once the team has almost been out of the playoff race.

Easy to play with no pressure when you come in with the team being 1-5 (2006), or 0-6 (2009).

He has played miserably against the elite teams like Indy, San Diego and Pittsburgh. Want to have a deep playoff run in the AFC? Those are some of the teams you have to beat.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 2, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

You obviously have..

No clue of what your talking about! He beat all of our conference teams! We always have a tough game vs Chargers, and who doesn’t struggle vs Pittsburgh? That was just stupid to say!

by datboybevans on Jan 2, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

"Tough" game against Chargers does not result in a 42-17 loss when your team still has a shot at the playoffs.

Where the QB is 8/21 for 89 yards and 2 INTs (2009). He played pretty well this year against them, I’ll give you that.

Pittsburgh is always tough, but when you know that going into it and do not show up for meetings or prepare then are the catalyst for roughly five turnovers, that’s on you.

I can think of two times he’s beaten Indy where it wasn’t at the end of the year and one or both teams had nothing to play for.

He shows up when it’s an inferior opponent or when the teams are roughly evenly matched, I have yet to see him beat a truly great team when it matters. Kudos for winning most the games you are supposed to, but give me something against those great teams.

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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 2, 2011 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Well give a coach that will build around him and he will!

The entire league continues to say this same thing, if he has a coach that will build around what he can do he will be a great QB! So when are we going to do this? To beat tough teams you need a tough coach! QB can’t do it all alone!

by datboybevans on Jan 2, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Really

You are wrong. Entire league says Jeff Fisher is a great coach! IT’s VERY few that believe VY is good enough.

by white02slpss on Jan 2, 2011 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

wrong trent dilfer says

He is s great coach someone that has never played for him. Yea JF used to get things done but not anymore

by datboybevans on Jan 2, 2011 3:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

One

One person is the entire league? Wow?

by white02slpss on Jan 2, 2011 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Apparently it is.

Because you’re the only one here saying “Jeff Fisher is a great coach”. And from what I’ve seen, most of the league agrees that he isn’t. Tenure does not equal greatness.

[enter some witty remark here]

by fanoftheunderdogs on Jan 3, 2011 7:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Hmmm

Again.. News to me.. Why is it said even by the Fisher haters that He would have a new job within a week if fired? that doesn’t equal “most of the league agrees that he isn’t”

by white02slpss on Jan 4, 2011 4:39 AM CST up reply actions  

In my opinion

VY win – Loss record is more to do with the coaching staff and the team around him

by white02slpss on Jan 2, 2011 2:38 PM CST reply actions  

There are no words to describe the detachment from reality you must have to really believe that.

[enter some witty remark here]

by fanoftheunderdogs on Jan 3, 2011 7:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Great Post D Reese.

THe comments have ranged from the serious to the silly.

by jmkiii58 on Jan 2, 2011 2:45 PM CST reply actions  

thanks

I didn’t really mean to beat this dead horse names Vince again but that’s what ended up happening.

Get 'em.
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by danielreese05 on Jan 2, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named!

I think of this as a precursor to what we’ll deal with all offseason until decisions are made (which hopefully will be quick). I almost rue the day that Adams goes with “his guy” and we’ll have all the fanboys on here:

“I TOLD YOU SO! VY JUST WINZ BABY!”
“ADAMS KNOWS WHO WINZ IN TN!”
“NOW WE CAN WIN A SUPER BOWL!”

(Disclaimer: Not a “The Nameless” hater, just a diehard Titans fan who does not believe “The Nameless” is the answer)

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by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 2, 2011 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Alright, then.

Tell me: Who is the answer? Who’s a better answer? Rusty Smith? KC? Simms? Whatever QB we can scoop up in the draft?

You have to play with the hand you’re dealt, and we got dealt VY, and since then, we haven’t been dealt any QB’s better than him.

[enter some witty remark here]

by fanoftheunderdogs on Jan 3, 2011 7:33 AM CST up reply actions  

A fresh start at the position is the better answer.

Five years is enough to tell me that “He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named” is not a franchise QB. He’ll have his moments where he looks outstanding, but he is far too inconsistent for a fifth-year pro.

We can talk about how all he does is win, but the reality is with the QB position there is so much more that goes into it, fair or unfair to them. He has not displayed those aspects of the job and I think jettisoning him and Collins and starting over at the position actually is the best move. It would probably be a case of “two steps back in order to take five forward”, but I’d be willing to have a bad year if it means having a QB that is going to get us on the right track.

We've had five-game losing streaks for twelve years now...and in no way is that depressing.

I have many leather-bound books, and my apartment smells of rich mahogany. And there's this awesome Chris Johnson Fathead over the wood paneling. Seriously, it's kind of a big deal...

by ronburgundy7427 on Jan 3, 2011 9:50 AM CST up reply actions  

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