Mortensen: Titans Still Talking Trade with Redskins for Albert Haynesworth
by Jimmy on Sep 7, 2010 8:57 AM CDT
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PrintGramsey is pumped. Chris Mortensen is reporting via Twitter that the Tennessee Titans and Washington Redskins are once again talking about a trade for Albert Haynesworth.
I was a fan of this move in the offseason, but I don't know how I feel about it now. He is the best defensive tackle in the game when he wants to be, but he has proved this offseason what we all feared about him once he got the money. This move made a lot of sense when the Titans were worried about the defensive line but after the way they played in the preseason I am not sure bringing in Haynesworth now would help.
What say you?
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Because he's washed-up
He’s looked terrible in preseason against second and third string offensive linemen. He’s a cancer. He’s a head-stomper. He would be disruptive. There is no guarantee that he would add anything and the Redskins aren’t going to give him away cheap.
I would disagree. See: Randy Moss Trade from Oakland to New England.
by SuperHorn on Sep 7, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
+1
He’s miserable, not washed-up. Bring him back here, he’ll bust through brick walls to show everyone how “washed-up” he is.
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by The Jade Scorpion on Sep 7, 2010 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I understand where you're coming from
and I know that you may be right. If he comes back, I’ll shut up and pull for him.
But if the defensive line is already clicking – which it is – why gamble on a mental case that hasn’t showcased his super-human abilities since he left Nashville?
This team needs a WR, not Big Al.
No way you believe that
You may want to overlook his craziness because of his on-the-field potential, but he’s an emotional train wreck with a rap sheet dating back to his days in Knoxville. He is no different than Pac-Man. He simply cannot stay out of trouble, whether its a pregnant stripper, a paralyzed motorist from an accident on I-40 (did you forget this one), a stomped head, or a string of lawsuits.
Say he’s worth the risk, but don’t say he’s not a mental case.
getting someone pregnant
is getting into trouble? a car accident? an on-field act? i mean i wont say hes a bit of a headcase, but hes certainlyno pacman, and doesnt have a lot of legal problems
wrong.
we are a top 5 team with him. tho the team may be top eight without schwartz. wonder if he responds bad to cecil. He would be SICK WITH Jones morgan and ford. flip flop those guys and subs promise if we blitz somebodys blistered 70 pct of he time. reinfeldt and fish are gonna do it. book it.
"The Man in Black fled, and the gunslinger followed."
Stephen King, The Dark Tower I : The Gunslinger and The Dark Tower VII
Trade for him!
THEN WE CAN TRADE HIM FOR LEGARRETTE BLOUNT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111
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by gramsey712 on Sep 7, 2010 8:38 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
But we have to trade Haynesworth + Nickey in order to have even the slightest chance at landing his awesomeness LeGarette Blount!
Just bring #92 home already
And stop playing with our heads
by danomite on Sep 7, 2010 8:44 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
seriously
get it done!
Don't HAIT. Save the HATTEN for the HAITTERS!
Do it, but only if it's for a third rounder or lower.
Albert still has too many question marks to give up a second round pick.
That said, a healthy, motivated Albert lined up next to Jason Jones makes this the best defensive line in football, possibly by a wide margin.
They are reportedly asking for 2 picks
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I would give as much as 2 second rounders
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by Aditya T (smashville) on Sep 7, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
That is ridiculous
The Redskins have no leverage.
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"What if I was Peyton Manning?"- CJ to the ref after they picked up a personal foul flag for a late hit on him.
Way, WAY too much.
I’d consider a fourth and fifth.
The only QB from the 2006 draft class still on his original team is Vince Young.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Sep 7, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Fourth round pick
plus a conditional pick based on playing time but no more than a 3rd round conditional pick
by shawneriksmith on Sep 7, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps.
But I still think paying a third at any point is too much, considering our defensive line has looked strong. Al is suddenly not as much of a need right now, so why cave to their demands? They landed this 100 million dollar problem, so if they want to get rid of it, we should make sure we fleece them in the deal.
The only QB from the 2006 draft class still on his original team is Vince Young.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Sep 7, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
The skins want to get rid of him alot more than we need to have him back. If this happens, Haynesworth is a genius!
by vancouverTITAN on Sep 7, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
True
I forgot they were only asking for a 3rd rounder back in April…so, yeah, I would be offering a conditional pick between 4th-6th rounds based on playing time. I’m just stuck on this playing time issue because there’s a chance Haynesworth won’t play a full season or even half the season.
by shawneriksmith on Sep 7, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
You mean Shanahan's conditioning tests WEREN"T in the best interest of the player?
The only QB from the 2006 draft class still on his original team is Vince Young.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Sep 7, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
your damn right.
i would add a sixth just to be sure
"The Man in Black fled, and the gunslinger followed."
Stephen King, The Dark Tower I : The Gunslinger and The Dark Tower VII
It was a third round pick they were asking for him during the draft (reportedly) Right?
So at this point how could they really be asking for more than that?
Yes
Absolutely no way his trade value has gone up.
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"What if I was Peyton Manning?"- CJ to the ref after they picked up a personal foul flag for a late hit on him.
Agree
The Redskins have no negotiating power here considering the mess Haynesworth made in Washington plus with how good the Titans must feel about their current DL…so, at the right price, I would definitely get him but otherwise, I’m good with the guys we have.
by shawneriksmith on Sep 7, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions
That's what I thought.
Yeah, no way has his value increased for them. So, this makes good sense to me if we’re talking a mid to late round pick.
I agree
And I would actually get excited to have him back at this point.
I still think he is a worthless human being, but we would win!!!!!!!!11
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Let me say this, Jimmy:
If you polled all of the players in the NFL and asked them which DT is the best on the field, Albert Haynesworth would likely be #1, and on a bad day the top 3.
If you polled all of the coaches in the NFL and asked them which DT is the best on the field, Albert Haynesworth would likely be #1, and on a bad day the top 3.
If you polled all of the experts who pay attention the these things and asked them which DT is the best on the field, Albert Haynesworth would likely be #1, and on a bad day the top 3.
He demands a double-team on almost every play, thus opening-up opportunities for the other players to succeed. He was universally recognized as a once-in-a-lifetime dominant force on our DL. Now that Washington has eaten a huge chunk of his salary, his price is even reasonable.
Bring him back, and let’s blow this division out of the water!
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by The Jade Scorpion on Sep 7, 2010 8:48 AM CDT reply actions
I dont see a negative....players play for Fish
I was thinking the whole time all this shi was going on in Washington how much Al was thinking he made a mistake, then i thought ( wait hes collected 32 mill last year) and laughed
CJ2K KNOWS
if we get Big Al back, we will be...
instant contenders
"We take pride in running the football here". - Eugene Amano, C
Jones+Brown+Haynesworth
would be a nice little DT rotation
rotation?
think that’s what we would do? Was it Jones that could play DE/DT or was that William Hayes?
Don't HAIT. Save the HATTEN for the HAITTERS!
this trade is going to happen, i can feel it.
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Patience, young Skywalker!
Hope, wait, and see……!
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by The Jade Scorpion on Sep 7, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I hate when crap like this happens it makes me glued to the TV/CPU all day
but if this goes down its going to make this week so much longer….PLEASE GET THIS DONE
CJ2K KNOWS
he never could but 45%-605 of snaps with Al
is a shit load better then 60% without a double team demanding talent like him.
CJ2K KNOWS
Whoa
Haynesworth doesn’t play special teams…so, we can’t have him on this team.
by shawneriksmith on Sep 7, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
That was his smart ass reference to the Titans cutting an undrafted running back who was 3rd on the depth chart
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by gramsey712 on Sep 7, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
ahhh, i see
Well 1st team DTs don’t really need to play special teams. Comparing Haynesworth to Blount is down right dumb.
by rothbard on Sep 7, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Everyone's excited!
I’m not a huge fan of this move though. I didn’t want him in the offseason, and now that our defensive line looks formidable, why waste a third rounder? If we get him, I hope its not for that price.
The only QB from the 2006 draft class still on his original team is Vince Young.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Sep 7, 2010 9:13 AM CDT reply actions
Agree
I love JJ…but he hasn’t held up for a full season yet. And, if he goes down, then we’re stuck with Haye and Marks at the other DT spot. Not bad…but could be better.
by shawneriksmith on Sep 7, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
The other DTs all looked much improved though as well.
If they can play as well as we’ve seen, Hayneworth is an upgrade but not as big an upgrade as we once thought. We shouldn’t overpay now, since its not as much of a need.
The only QB from the 2006 draft class still on his original team is Vince Young.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Sep 7, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Man bring that dude back....
If they do…we will go to the AFC Championship against the (fill in the blanks) and make it to the Super Bowl. Just think, if our defensive line is already “beasting”, and we add possibly the #1 defensive tackle to our rotation…. it’s elementary, my dear Gramsey…..
Mike needs to follow the slogan for the other Mike….Just Do It!
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Yes
There are many restaurants in Nashville still trying to recover from the flood. Haynesworth would be a valuable addition to their profit margin.
What do we do if somehow Colt McCoy ends up on an NFL team starting against Vince Young?
Haynesworth the humanitarian?
The only QB from the 2006 draft class still on his original team is Vince Young.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Sep 7, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah because he could pig out and not worry any damn conditioning test...
"He is fast, but what I like about him is he looks like one of those track guys that actually knows how to run the ball and has good vision and patience. He is not just running at top speed. He knows when to use his speed, and he has some power and toughness, too.'' Barry Sanders about CJ2K
Dwight Howard >The Justice League of America
by Bonafidebrother on Sep 7, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
he'd still have to worry about bank collectors, pedestrians and pregnant strippers
I'm no super-genius... or are I?
but still no conditioning test....
food always solves life’s problems…LOL!
"He is fast, but what I like about him is he looks like one of those track guys that actually knows how to run the ball and has good vision and patience. He is not just running at top speed. He knows when to use his speed, and he has some power and toughness, too.'' Barry Sanders about CJ2K
Dwight Howard >The Justice League of America
by Bonafidebrother on Sep 7, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I think it just be a distraction at this point
I was starting to like the ‘No Name’ defense we’ve been building over the last year. We need a linebacker until McRath is back
We’d probibly have to ship out one of our young talented tackles to make roster space
I'm no super-genius... or are I?
Convinced we will have a top D-line without him
But his impact on a pass rush is a scientific fact at this point. We’ve gotta pressure the QB to win in this division, and he would help immensely.
For those worried about the “cancer” element, he’s liked by his former teammates in TEN, and Washburn has already made him into the best DT in the league once, so there’s plenty reason to expect him to work just fine as a Titan.
This would also enable Jones to work outside occasionally, as I think he’s plenty athletic to play out there and it might keep him healthier.
I thought the same thing with Jones at DE back in April
When the Titans first looked into this trade, I thought moving Jones to DE on some downs would work…imagine a DL of Jason Jones, Tony Brown, Albert Haynesworth, and Derrick Morgan. That’s a pass blocking hell for other teams.
by shawneriksmith on Sep 7, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
can you imagine JJ on the outside bookended by Cap'n Morgan....with Al on the inside???
I thought I just heard Matt Schaub snap both of his chin strap buckles….
"He is fast, but what I like about him is he looks like one of those track guys that actually knows how to run the ball and has good vision and patience. He is not just running at top speed. He knows when to use his speed, and he has some power and toughness, too.'' Barry Sanders about CJ2K
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by Bonafidebrother on Sep 7, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Terry McCormick is reporting the Titans
have offered a 4th round pick. I would approve that deal.
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"What if I was Peyton Manning?"- CJ to the ref after they picked up a personal foul flag for a late hit on him.
What a steal that would be.
A Fourth Round pick, combined with a now-reasonable contract, for Albert?!?
Man, that would be theft……..
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by The Jade Scorpion on Sep 7, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
the skins are talking about him being a back up
4th rounder for a washed up back up should look goof to shanahan
that's about what I was thinking
albert has done his best to lower his value and this probably our compensatory slot for KVB
This would be a good deal.
If Al becomes the best DT in the league again, we’ve absolutely robbed them. If he can’t be motivated for some reason, it doesn’t hurt us too much.
The only QB from the 2006 draft class still on his original team is Vince Young.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Sep 7, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
It did the Titans some good
They essentially moved up in the draft to get Verner and Smith while giving up two guys who aren’t even on the Seahawks any more
by shawneriksmith on Sep 7, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
We got ATV out of it.
I’d say it worked out for us, from the early look of it.
The only QB from the 2006 draft class still on his original team is Vince Young.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Sep 7, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
It did the Titans some good
They essentially moved up in the draft to get Verner and Smith while giving up two guys who aren’t even on the Seahawks any more
by shawneriksmith on Sep 7, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
At this rate for the comment thread....
Jimmy is going to have to do a Roll Call for this post…
"He is fast, but what I like about him is he looks like one of those track guys that actually knows how to run the ball and has good vision and patience. He is not just running at top speed. He knows when to use his speed, and he has some power and toughness, too.'' Barry Sanders about CJ2K
Dwight Howard >The Justice League of America
I am cool with that
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"What if I was Peyton Manning?"- CJ to the ref after they picked up a personal foul flag for a late hit on him.
Dear Titans,
Albert Haynesworth is washed up, too expensive, a cancer in the locker room, out of shape, tackles way too hard, smells really bad, and is an all around bad, bad person. You should do whatever you need to do to NOT make this trade happen.
Yours truly,
Matt Schaub
by Titan9 on Sep 7, 2010 9:59 AM CDT reply actions 13 recs
LMAO!!!! Rec'd
"He is fast, but what I like about him is he looks like one of those track guys that actually knows how to run the ball and has good vision and patience. He is not just running at top speed. He knows when to use his speed, and he has some power and toughness, too.'' Barry Sanders about CJ2K
Dwight Howard >The Justice League of America
by Bonafidebrother on Sep 7, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
just when he thought he was safe
get your shoulder slings ready
by asbestos_man on Sep 7, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Donnie Nickey
Just kidding…probably one of the other safeties (Schommer/Johnson), Durand, or one of the new LBs.
by shawneriksmith on Sep 7, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
If someone gets cut
then surely it will be a DL
Why wouldn't we send them
Jovan Haye or Dave Ball and a 5th rd pick? I love and do not want to part with the 4th rd pick. Both of those guys qualify as 2nd stringers for the Redskin D-line, which is what they’ve branded Albuuurto at. Then we don’t have to cut anybody. That’s the bargain they should be driving. We need to hold onto the 4th for trade value in case of an O line injury mid season. Any roster move after the cut to 53 is a big deal.
"I am going to be 'Bo' regardless.’’
I don't think a 4th would land us any serviceable O-lineman in a trade if we have some injuries
The only QB from the 2006 draft class still on his original team is Vince Young.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Sep 7, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Who leaked, and why?
The thing I’ve been trying to figure out since I saw this latest rumor was who leaked the information and why. After reading Jack Bechta’s column at NFP about how he won the bet by creating a new rumor about one of his clients and getting it on the ESPN ticker in like 6 minutes, I’m deeply suspicious of all of this news, especially amorphous trade talk.
I doubt the Titans started the rumor-the DTs have looked pretty good in preseason, and the best one hasn’t been playing.
Did the Redskins? I doubt it. Trading Haynesworth is sending a bad message to Shanny’s players-complain loudly enough, fight what we’re trying to do, and you can get out of here. While it’s a sunk cost, trading him so soon after paying him the bonus (which Bud can’t and wouldn’t include in a trade) is a very difficult pill to swallow.
That leaves Haynesworth and his agent (Chad Speck, IIRC) as the most likely source of the leaks. They’re trying to put pressure on the Redskins and get Albert’s name out there. It’s been known for a while he’d be happy to leave the Redskins, and the Titans are an obvious trade partner. There may or may not be actual substance to the talks (I’d love to know McCormick’s source-inside TEN or Speck), but my bet is the leak is coming from Haynesworth’s camp.
I am almost 100% sure it isn't inside TEN
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I thought that was Jason LaCanfora....
but Adam was in Denver for awhile….
"He is fast, but what I like about him is he looks like one of those track guys that actually knows how to run the ball and has good vision and patience. He is not just running at top speed. He knows when to use his speed, and he has some power and toughness, too.'' Barry Sanders about CJ2K
Dwight Howard >The Justice League of America
by Bonafidebrother on Sep 7, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Report came from Mort
JLaC was the Redskins beat reporter with the WashPost before moving to NFL Network. Schefter was in Denver and did a book with Shanny, I’m pretty sure. If somebody in WAS wanted to leak, either of them would be an easy and convenient way of doing that.
Given that the report didn’t actually come from either of them but from Chris Mortensen, I suspect another source. There’s a TEN connection with Mort, obviously, and WAS could be using him to camouflage the leak is coming from them, but leak from Haynesworth’s camp seems like the right place.
Schefter is Shanny's point man
Will be interesting to see what he says. The huge bonus is a sunk cost, but the dollars going forward are not, and are significant for a guy that they’re having this much trouble with. Is he a $5 MM per year player in a 3-4? Are they willing to eat that salary and forego trade compensation to make his life miserable for Bonusgate if he continues to loaf? I think the #4 offer is legit, since it’s what McNabb cost, but it will take more to complete a trade.
Agreed
If the 4th rounder is correct, TEN is lowballing the Redskins because they know there’s not a ton of real interest out there and they know they don’t really need him. There’s no way to spin only a 4th for Albert as a win either to Snyder or to the press, thus my speculation it’s Haynesworth’s camp trying to stir something up.
Per Mort's latest report
Its “team sources” from Washington.
Iam hungry!
Mmmm! Manning Crackers, Strawberry Schaub and pork chops a la Garrard!
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by MexicanTitanFreak on Sep 7, 2010 10:35 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
lol
That was too funny!!
try manning meat loaf
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Sep 7, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
albert
if he puts his head into it he can be the best dt in the nfl. we have the 4-3. all he has to do is respect fisher (which no one dares not to) and lose a couple pounds and i beleive our defensive line is set. he shouldn’t even have left in the first place
I don't know if bringing him back is a great idea. He had his best years about 2 to 3 years back
He has a history of doing only what Albert wants to do. If he is motivated then he is an absolute beast, but if he has no purpose when going out on the field he is lazy. He may not be real excited about coming back to a team that didn’t want to pay to keep him around.
Coach Wash is the key here
Motivation in the form of a foot in your a$$
by asbestos_man on Sep 7, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Herm Edwards...you crack me up
I thought this was ridiculous when Herm said below on the air.
Meanwhile, former Jets and Chiefs coach Herm Edwards recently gave some credence to the musings of league observers (like us) regarding Haynesworth’s overall reliability.
“Jeff Fisher is a smart football coach,” Edwards told Sam Farmer of the Los Angeles Times earlier this month. "The Titans did not want Albert Haynesworth back. There’s a reason for that. Jeff Fisher didn’t just wake up one day and say, ‘Oh, by the way, we’re going to get rid of him.’
there was more to Herm's quote..
“He dealt with this guy for so many years and said, ‘You know what? Enough is enough. I’m tired of a guy that’s a good player for about 10 games.’ Doesn’t play all 16 — hurt, something’s going to happen, he’s going to be disgruntled. . . .”
i agree
if youre paying him 90 million (or whatever it was) you dontw ant him good for only 10 games. when youre grabbing him for a 4th round pick and signifcantly less money, and already have a solid set of DTs behind him — its not as big a deal
I seriously doubt
this characterization of why they let Albert walk. I think it was just too much money, way too much money, for the relatively fiscally conservative titans to consider coughing up.
I'd give them a 4th plus Ball and the 4th in 2012
by nolesbroncos3456 on Sep 7, 2010 11:49 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
The D-Line is not the problem
The O-Line depth is. This year’s O-Line = last year’s CB/Return game.
That’s the determining factor in our playoff chances. If we trade a super valuable 4th, let it be as part of a package for a legit backup G/T.
"I am going to be 'Bo' regardless.’’
Nah.
I find it unlikely we suffer a rash of OL injuries.
WR will be the CB/KR/PR of 2012, if anything. We are not in good shape at WR, period.
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by The Jade Scorpion on Sep 7, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
If the price is right
do it. If he should happen to be even 80% as good as he was, we’ll need to score about 13 points a game to have a winning season. The d-line would feed on offenses like slashers on couples making out by a lake in a B-movie.
Only if the price is right
He is miserable in Washington, playing a 3-4 scheme he hates. Get him back to good ol LP Field to play 4-3 and have him, Fisher, Cecil and Washburn all have a little chat and get him fired up to actually be the best. No more of this only in a contract year bullshit. Having him back and getting double teams would free up Captain Morgan to have an insane Rookie year.
Dang School.
Makin me miss the Fat Al News.
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I would love this move
loved it back when i thought the D line was gonna b awful, still love it today. just gonna make the d line that much better. please get this done mikey
Look what Albert did for KVB......
4 year sack total with Albert 35.5 4 year sack total without Albert 7. I know that there is a lot of man love for KVB and what he brought, but reality, from my perspective, is that Albert made KVB. Imagine what he could do for someone with Captain Morgan’s potential!!!
Like all titans trade talks watch it fizzle out by tomorrow night.
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