Tennessee Titans Morning Links: Vince Young Prepared For Steelers, Not So Much For The Media Edition
by August West on Sep 30, 2010 11:11 AM CDT
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The crap's been flying at Vince for over a week now, and VY finally kind of vented ever so slightly yesterday when reporters brought up Steelers week again, and now he's the subject of an article that's supposed to be unflattering if you don't occasionally think for yourself:
"I feel like I was prepared," said Young, who had never faced Pittsburgh. "I just had some turnovers. Everybody throws interceptions, and just because it's me, I guess I wasn't prepared, so that's what they are saying.
"At the same time, everybody has bad games. You are not going to have a perfect game. But that is in the past and I have moved on from that, did a great job against the Giants and getting prepared for another team coming in here on Sunday.''
Jimmy, Gray and myself talked about Vince Young and Jeff Fisher at length last night on MCM Radio, so make sure you check it out and find out who is softening up on giving Jeff Fisher such a hard time... we also had a good conversation with a Broncos blogger from Mile High Report.
Alterraun Verner is getting his first start, and the Broncos were actually one of the teams that was so interested in taking him that we traded up in the fourth round by trading LenDale to secure his rights. Now, they're looking to give him his 'welcome to the NFL moment'.
By coaching this week's game against the Broncos, Jeff Fisher will join an elite group of coaches who have coached at least 250 games with the same team. Other field generals to accomplish that feat include George Halas, Tom Landry, Don Shula, Chuck Noll and not many more.
John Oesher at the Fanhouse breaksdown the key match-ups across the AFC South for Sunday's games. I was surprised for him to describe the Broncos' secondary in such glowing terms, and he picks that group versus Vince Young to be the key match-up.
Ineffective running back Knowshon Moreno could be inactive for Sunday's game, meaning he wouldn't get to share the backfield with their other ineffective RBs.
Well folks, we have what is easily the best story of the 2010 NFL season already in the books:
- Chad Ochocinco has a new breakfast cereal called "OchocincO's." Surprised? Not as surprised as you'll be when you dial the 800 number on the box for the charity Feed the Children and are greeted by a sultry voice reviewing a menu for a different kind of "eye opener" breakfast treat.
Who woulda thunk Mario Manningham got a concussion last Sunday. Manningham didn't alert the medical staff until later that evening, and maybe it was just a really mild one because he appears to have nailed the balance and coordination tests they've administered.
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if GRam is gonna keep giving me shout outs,
i have no choice but to call in and defend myself
The Dual Threat, Official Enforcer/Stat Geek of MCM.
Listening to the podcast.
In regards to pass attempts, I found this interesting.
Even with inferior statistics, Kerry is averaging 30 attempts per game as a starter.
Will someone please explain the disparity between his att/game an Vince’s?
The thing is that we were only 10 pts down and a whole quarter to go
they abandoned the run when crazy passing the ball. You’d think we were down by 30.
I'm not a VY fanboy, I'm a VY supporter
who knows..
though I seem to remember us playing from behind a lot because was so brutally bad in 1st quarters.
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Jeff Fisher is the only coach in the NFL
That still thinks of Collins as a viable starter and somehow sees in him a “better” passer than VY even though like you said he has inferiors statistics. The double standard is this- is Kerry has a bad game is not his fault is everyone if VY ha a bad game is his fault. Its when the Chief were doing everything to make Elvis Grbac their franchise QB no matter what. May be KC have some compromising pics of Jeff, it really baffles me.
I'm not a VY fanboy, I'm a VY supporter
Heres another stat to add to your arsenal SuperHorn
Clausen has more attempts than vince this year, in just 1 start.
Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove
by BonzosMontreaux on Sep 30, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Jeff Fisher has brainwashed himself into thinking that a cast off like KC
Gives this team the best chance to win
I'm not a VY fanboy, I'm a VY supporter
Does anyone not just think
That this ‘missing the meetings’ thing simply wasn’t true? From VY’s reactions in the media, not to mention the timing of the leak, I really don’t think it adds up. Like the guys said on MCMR the other night, if VY missed meetings he’d have been deactivated or benched for the 1st quarter or something.
I honestly think Fisher released this info to cover his own back. It’s classic coaching post hoc ergo: he’s defending the decision after having already made it. This is some hooey excuse for his benching, and not only that, but it’s a hooey excuse which contradicts the even hooier one he already gave in the press conference!
I really think that Bud needs to choose between keeping Fisher and losing Young or the other way around, because the trust has been completely shattered. Considering 90% the rupture and ruckus over the last year has been caused by Fisher, I’d say he’s more deserving of the door than Young.
Not Me
I’m convinced that Young missed those meetings. I’m not sure (and neither is anyone posting here) who the “person with knowledge of the situation” that leaked that information to the media was. But there are no other leaks from “people with knowledge of the situation” that dispute the report, which I think would occur if the story was false. Vince doesn’t deny it either BTW.
No – I think he missed the meetings. Whether fisher handled it correctly is another matter. He could have benched him for the 1st Q as suggested above, or benched him for the whole game, or left him in to fight through a defense he wasn’t sufficiently prepared to face, or not given in to the temptation to make the “if you knew what I know” comment to the media afterwards.
But Vince missing two meetings leading up to a game 2 against the Steelers to me is a huge transgression.
AJS
And I'll Add
that I hope that the shitstorm that transgression created is a lesson to Vince. When you’re a starting NFL QB, everything you say and do on and off the field will be scrutinzed. My mother used to always tell me “never do anything you wouldn’t want on the front page of the local paper”. For Vince it does end up on the front page. I’m happy with the way he responded on the field on Sunday.
AJS
Have you watched the interview?
If not, please do so. Context doesn’t always appear in text. He handled the situation about as well as possible, despite constant baiting.
I have.
He could have handled it better. He’ll learn (I hope) that the media is not his friend. They want an explosive story. An embattled QB at odds with his head coach disputing the reports in the media are a much better story than “I’m done talking about that”. Hence the baiting. Don’t take the bait Vince. they’re not your friends.
AJS
No
It doesn’t make him a disgrace or a horrible person. But if you’re a starting NFL QB you don’t miss a Friday meeting during Steeler week, particularly after already missing a meeting two days earlier, even if that one was excused in advance. I think he now knows this and I very seriously doubt it will happen again.
AJS
The report said two missed or late meetings. Ie. He was excused from the first and late to the other.
I still don’t buy it, but if you’re sticking to the allegations, I’d advise sticking to the original story. Unless I’m missing a different story, it has never been explicitly said that he missed Fridays practice. Since we know that he missed one earlier in the week (McNair’s kids), I don’t know why they would have inserted the “or late” language into the story…
Let me ask?
How is a Damn meeting going to help you against the steelers defense? I’m sure VY watched plenty of film and studied well considering he as one pass from being 100% besides the two ints, which were made by two pro bowl defenders! People just pay attention to the stuff they want to and get caught up with the media Crap! Vince played well against the steelers considering it was his first time ever playing them!
by datboybevans on Sep 30, 2010 5:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I don't buy it at all
If he really did and Titanscoach was really that upset about it, he would have let it “leak” much earlier than it did. And his handling of this situation is completely backwards from any time a player has ever crossed him before.
And if he really did miss meetings, why won’t he own up to it?
No, I think it’s all contrived to keep everybody on Titanscoach’s side. And it seems to be working with most people.
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And I will add this
If he really did miss 2 freaking meetings in his 5th year as a pro, he needs much more punishment than to be yanked out of a game in the 4th quarter.
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+1 gramsey
The treatment Young’s had from Fisher since 2008 has been, on the whole, woeful. Support, pulling support, starting, not starting, it’s been never ending. Young is Bud’s guy, not Fisher’s, and Fisher’s still taking out draft day ’06 on Young, which is straight up unfair no matter how you look at it.
The double standards thing is what most gets me about the entire thing. How Collins can get to 0-6 and 40-something down against New England without a benching, yet Young gets pulled in one game continually aggravates me.
Titans fan from England. Believe it.
I suspect what happened is Vince was excused from the first, and a little late to another.
The vibe I get is that Vince may have been late to that Friday meeting, but that Fisher and the staff never made an issue of it. That would explain why he’s a) blindsided by the whole topic and b) not denying it either.
And, again, everything is about context. I’d like to know a little more about why he was late and whether the coaching staff OK’d it before throwing him under the bus.
The 'guy with knowledge of the situation'
Has to be Fisher, surely. I think he clamps down hard on this story unless he wants it to get out: no matter who’s leaked it, Fisher almost certainly told them to because he didn’t like how much attention the swap was getting and needed justification. Just because VY didn’t deny it doesn’t mean he’s admitting guilt, maybe this is the best way he knew how to get rid of it.
Titans fan from England. Believe it.
It certainly could be Fisher
that leaked the story. If he did, that sucks and I won’t defend that. None of us know who leaked the story. There are probably 100 people in the Titans organization that are “familiar with the situation”. It could have been any one of them. I think someone else within the organization who’s also “familiar with the situation” would have come out and said something if the story wasn’t true.
AJS
I got in a heated debate with a friend of mine who's a Bears fan.
The perception that the media has created of Vince is extremely skewed and painted in very, very negative light (granted some of it was Vince’s fault but recently not so much). Most people (who don’t follow the Titans and some who do) think he’s a “headcase”, “more trouble than he’s worth”, “not a good QB”, “selfish”, “immature”, etc…
My friend even said, “It seems like the coaching staff is the only thing keeping the Titans from falling into an abyss.” At that point I knew he had no clue what he was talking about but this, I would guess, is the general consensus regarding the Titans.
I told him we’d trade coaches straight up.
His comment is why everybody thinks Titanscoach is such a great coach
And there are plenty of Titan fans who believe that garbage too.
Titanscoach has created this rift and all this crap with his quarterback and now he gets credit for “handling it.”
It’s all garbage.
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Missing the meetings
created the story.
AJS
CalTitan, do you believe everything that is reported in the media?
Especially when it comes from an “unnamed” source.
You just seem so certain that VY did miss those meetings…if that’s the case, then Fisher handled it poorly and should have benched VY for the 1st quarter (like all NFL head coaches do to players who miss meetings).
You don’t “leak” it a week after it happens…do you not find it suspicious at all?
by shawneriksmith on Sep 30, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
No I certainly don't believe
everything I read. Quite the opposite. I believe someone with knowledge would dispute the accounts off the record if it weren’t true. It isn’t plausilbe to me that all the players, coaches, equipment managers, office personnel, etc, that would be familiar with the situation and no one would anonimously dispute the story. Fisher can’t control every conversation that occurs at all times among all members of the Titans organization. That’s why I’m convinced that Vince missed those meetings.
AJS
You're the only one that is turning this into two missed meetings.
Will you provide a link that explicitly says he missed Friday’s meeting?
Here's the Link
The relevant statements from that article include:
“One of the absences was excused so Young could attend an event with the late Steve McNair’s children, but sources said Young returned later than expected. Young missed a meeting the Friday before the Steelers’ game, but did not miss any practice time that week.”
So he missed the wednesday meeting he was excused from then also missed the Friday meeting.
AJS
I'm an old man
Let me try it this way:
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20100930/SPORTS01/9300328/Vince+Young++was+prepared++for+Steelers
AJS
Didn't catch that.
Still, something doesn’t feel right about this. In particular, I would think Fish would have handled the punishment differently if it really was such a big deal (ie. bench Vince for the beginning or all of the game, and/or publicly fine him).
I agree
I don’t necessarily defend Fisher’s handling of it. I was very hard on him until these revelations bout the missed meetings came out. I think in the end this may turn out to be good for Vince. Not only because of the shitstorm it created in the media, but also because vince may think in hindsight that he could have performed better had he prepared more. One thing I do know; if the Titans make the playoffs and face the Steelers Vince will be prepared and it wil be a different outcome.
AJS
finally, I think so
the dark on light blue unis are awesome!
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finally!
my favorites are the light blue on light blues when we play indy. i wish those were our home unis
they might still be spinning the Titans Uni carousel
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by Pinoy Titan on Sep 30, 2010 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't think we'll see those first three...
Since they’re alternates and in theory we’d know in advance, since the team has to let the NFL know about dates for alternate uniforms WAY in advance.
And I hope they never wear the white over white again… and I hope they never wear the light blue over white. Those look horrible.
I have a feeling no matter how well this team does
Unless they win the SB this is either Fishers last year or VYs last year. I dont think these two can coexist anymore. All of this talk is a distraction and I know that the team wont acknowledge it but it is distracting. Why does Bud have a man crush on both Fisher AND Young? Most coaches after an 0-6 after such a bright season before would have been fired easily but Fisher has such job security its almost like he knows that he can do no wrong in the eyes of Bud thatll get him fired.
one thing i give fisher credit for is that his players always play hard for him
but when you screw every well-liked veteran and throw your other well-liked current players under the bus i cant see how they continue
Maybe because we have zero idea
what their internal politics is really like, or how it compares to other teams’ internal politics. We’re guessing. But, they don’t always play hard for him in any case – I don’t think I’ve ever seen an NFL team implode like we did for that 59-0 debacle.
those blowouts happen once in a 16 year career
but how many teams recover from it to fight for a playoff spot?
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You really are getting soft
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This whole conversation
would best be held face to face in a big room with plenty of merange pies at hand.
i dont think ive ever seen a coach throw their qb under the bus like this
granted ive never followed a team locally like i do this one. though i guess reid has been questionable, but he just gave em hooks, didnt air dirty laundry to make himself look better
The media spinning now is getting misquoted
I was on Titansonline and in a piece with the NFL network the reporter asked Mike Keith about the PRACTICES that VY missed before the Steelers game, which he definitely didn’t. See, first they start with some rumors and now is getting out of context. I hope for this mess to just go away. Thanks for nothing Wyatt and the Tennessean!
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