Must Read: Football Outsiders breaks down the QB benchings from Week 2

Cliff's notes: Heimerdinger shares in a lot of this blame.

over 1 year ago SuperHorn 15 comments 0 recs |

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Thought this was very well put:

Did Young “deserve” to be benched? I don’t know, but I believe he deserved a chance to throw some shorter passes to his wide receivers, or execute some rollouts, or try some other adjustment to get the offense moving before he got the hook. And Collins deserved the same thing when he entered the game. Heimerdinger is a good coordinator, and Jeff Fisher certainly deserves the benefit of the doubt, but coaches have bad games, just like quarterbacks. Except they don’t have America questioning their character and maturity when they are benched.

by SuperHorn on Sep 23, 2010 11:17 AM CDT reply actions

So the coaching staff quit in the 2nd quarter

Do we get to hammer them like we did Vince?

I can only imagine the conversation at the beginning of the 4th:
Coach Fisher: “Run that play again!”

Coach Heimerdinger: “But it hasn’t worked a single time!”

Coach Fisher: “Then I will change quarterbacks! We’ll make it work!”

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by gramsey712 on Sep 23, 2010 11:40 AM CDT reply actions

So, too much in the gameplan, but not enough sense to try any thing else!

Or the lack of balls to try it?

by J3G77 on Sep 23, 2010 11:57 AM CDT reply actions

Both

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by Jimmy on Sep 23, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions

Lose, lose, lose scenario?

by SuperHorn on Sep 23, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions

I'm starting to wonder if Dinger is mostly at fault

For all the bad play calling or if the orders come from Fish. We saw the questionably plays last year in the 0-6 start where he continually was having Collins drop back and pass to no avail.

And that FO article was great. What kind of plays send 3 deep with your slowest TE on a crossing pattern? I know we’ve seen some creativity from Dinger before, but I’m starting to think he has called those plays for the gimmick of it and is not actually trying to implement that in the offense. As we’ve seen, for the games that matter, the play calling gets back to being super conservative and predictable.

by asian phil on Sep 23, 2010 12:49 PM CDT reply actions

Everything they do revolves around the idea that the entire D is going to be keying on CJ

So, when CJ can’t get anything going, because our OL is getting owned, we have nothing to fall back on. Our receivers are easily covered, especially by a good D that already knows what we are going to do. The Titans are designed to beat bad defenses using lackluster skill play. When the D doesn’t hold up that end of the bargain, and actually plays well, we get week 2. :(

by rothbard on Sep 23, 2010 12:58 PM CDT reply actions

Vince young = pocket passer

Round peg = square hole

by vancouverTITAN on Sep 23, 2010 1:22 PM CDT via mobile reply actions

Says Fisher

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

by WC22 on Sep 23, 2010 2:15 PM CDT reply actions

Going into this season...

I was excited, because I got the impression that Dinger was finally going to open up the offense to Vince—let him throw the ball around more like he let Steve McNair do in his first stint with the Titans.

I think Dinger can still put together those offensive gameplans that seemed so effective back then, but he’s going to have to hand the reigns to Vince. We can’t let him throw the ball 10 times and call nearly the same play every time and expect Vince to be effective.

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by TennesseeTyrants on Sep 23, 2010 2:22 PM CDT reply actions

Exactly.

I would have LOVED to see Dinger come out and have Vince throw the ball 30 times last game and completely catch the Steelers off guard. Sure, we might have failed miserably, but the end result would have been the same and we could have learned a lot in the process. Why does it take being out of contention for this team to play with any creativity?

by SuperHorn on Sep 23, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions

Like I said previously

Jeff Fisher avoids taking chances to avoid mistakes thus as a result missing the chance of making big plays.

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by Lord_Drist on Sep 23, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions

That was a good read

and spot on at that. The playcalling sucked the whole game.

by bullrider73 on Sep 23, 2010 4:25 PM CDT reply actions

That was an excellent read

by numbertenox on Sep 23, 2010 6:48 PM CDT reply actions

Amen

I was saying very similar things right after the game. The play calling became predictable and did not adapt to the Steeler’s D. The offense’s poor play should fall on Dinger/Fisher…not VY.

1. Very little play action or bootlegs. These plays should be staples of the Titans offense with VY/CJ.
2. Slants and comebacks. VY actually throws these routes pretty well, and Britt/Gage/Washington run these routes decently. But, no slants were called in that Steelers game and the Steelers were sitting on those comeback routes.
3. Wide out screen. Britt is the ideal WR for a WR screen. Big but quick and fast, he is more like a RB with the ball in his hands. Also, you could motion out CJ to the opposite side to move a LB away from that screen (or even throw a wide out screen to CJ to get him the ball in space).
4. Option play. Some variant of this should be ran at least 1-2 times per game. It’s risky as it exposes VY to a possible hit, but VY was getting slammed in the pocket anyways. Also, you could eventually set up some pass plays based off of this action to get some big plays down the field later in the season.
5. Pocket pass plays. VY’s not the best pocket passer but if given time then he can make some deep throws. My only thought on this is that if you are calling a pass play then put in Cook instead of Stevens. Stevens is more effective during play action while Cook can win more one-on-one battles down the field.

All 5 of the plays I just mentioned should be the basic gameplan week in and week out with the Titans…and I rarely saw any of this in the Steelers game.

by shawneriksmith on Sep 24, 2010 12:23 PM CDT reply actions