Seattle Seahawks 20 Tennessee Titans 18 Recap
by Jimmy on Aug 15, 2010 12:02 AM CDT
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PrintFirst off it was good to see football again. It feels like it has been forever since the last trip to Seattle.
Secondly, thoughts and prayers go out to Stafon Johnson. He is a guy that we were all pulling for after he overcame the freak injury he suffered at USC. Right now all we know is that he has a dislocated ankle, and that his season is more than likely over. Hopefully he will be able to come back and make a run at it next season.
The first team offense was very impressive on the first drive. It was nice to see them take the ball right down the field. I could have done without Chris Johnson getting 3 goal line carries, but those were the only 3 hits he took so that is good.
Vince Young threw a pick on the second drive, but not a big deal because in a game he tucks the ball and runs in the same situation.
The first team defense looked pretty good. Jason McCourty only played with the first team while Ryan Moutonand Alterraun Verner played a lot in the second half. That tells me that McCourty is the leader in the clubhouse to start opposite Cortland Finnegan. Mouton had a pick but looked bad on a couple of plays. All Alterraun Verner does is make plays. MCM Karma?
A few quick observations after the jump.
- Javon Ringer is a solid #2 running back. He obviously doesn't have the explosiveness of CJ2K but is a good runner.
- Chris Simms is not an NFL QB.
- Rusty Smith has a cannon. I am not ready to appoint him leader of the free world, but there is no question that he has an NFL arm.
- Mike Williams isn't fat anymore.
- Paul Williams is still on the roster.
- Mike Heimerdinger is not going to be very happy with the inability to get a play off in the 2nd half.
- Rusty Smith made a nice read and throw on the 2 point conversion play. Then made a terrible read and throw on the last drive.
- Gerald McRath looked really good. There is no doubt they will miss him the first month of the season.
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Overall, that was an impressive game.
A two-point loss on the first game of the pre-season, on the road in one of the loudest stadiums in the NFL? I’ll take that as a good sign.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 12:07 AM CDT reply actions
Mouton was awful this game, the pick fell into his arms.
All the big Seahawks pass plays were against Mouton.
Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove
by BonzosMontreaux on Aug 15, 2010 12:07 AM CDT reply actions
Yea would have liked to of not seen the pick by Vince
but the first drive was great. Great throws on target and not one drop from Gage or Nate.
by Longhornlegend on Aug 15, 2010 12:08 AM CDT reply actions
Tulloch is the closest we’ll get to Bulluck any time soon.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Mcgrath?
Once upon a time you dressed so fine
You threw the bums a dime in your prime, didn't you?
People'd call, say, "Beware doll, you're bound to fall"
You thought they were all kiddin' you.
-Bob
by titansfan615 on Aug 15, 2010 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions
almost
he almost there,
i give him about 2-3 yrs before he can become a full time bulluck based on his potential, right now he’s a bulluck Jr ’:)
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Aug 16, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Fun game to watch,
minus the Stafon Johnson spot…. my heart goes out to that guy… truely disappointing seeing as how much he has already gone through just to get back in the NFL. Keep your head up bro! Keep truckin’.
Side note : Mouton showed a nice pick, but I do NOT want him to start opposite Cortland come September. Verner/McCourty ( They are very close in talent, though I give it to Verner from tonight’s game ) > Mouton.
Defensive line looked meh, seeing as we have like 3 of our top guys out…. make that 4!
Chin up Titan fans, this game showed some very very bright spots to look forward to come Fall!!!
The D-Line did get two early sacks.
That has to count for something.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Mouton was awful...that one pick was due to Verner
Mouton was awful. The one play he had was due to Verner reading the route and taking away the inside of the receiver forcing the QB to throw further outside than he wanted.
The backup offensive line is not good, but the starters looked great (great pass protection).
Simms looked bad even when he had time to throw…VY looked great. Smith does have a rocket arm but you could tell he was a rookie. He just looked awkward.
McCourty and Verner both played great. The second corner job is easily between those two.
The d-line played ok. Babin had a nice bull rush for a sack and they held up in the run game.
Hopefully, we’ll see less Mouton and Simms in the next game.
by shawneriksmith on Aug 15, 2010 12:12 AM CDT reply actions
Yeah... what's with everyone not giving Mouton credit for the INT?
He could’ve dropped that pick, especially considering how much heat was on the ball. It wasn’t like some ‘volleyball’-type tip that was easy to catch.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 12:15 AM CDT reply actions
Of course he gets credit
its just that it was not some super awesome play like, for example, Verner’s INT.
by rothbard on Aug 15, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I agree with that.
Vern’s was awesome.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Mouton didn't do anything for that INT...
His receiver had him beat on the inside and he took the outside. If the ball had been thrown to the receiver, then Verner would have had that pick but the QB threw it further to the outside straight to Mouton. So, he gets credited for catching a pass thrown straight to him.
by shawneriksmith on Aug 15, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Fine, fine.. I just hate seeing all this negativity towards a guy.
Except for in the case of Simms.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep.......
…..Cut Simms and keep KC. While we’re at it get rid of Paul Williams and Mouton too!
MrDeeboi33
Why get rid of Paul Williams?
Because he couldn’t catch a ball when he got drilled in the back? Come on.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Williams dropped two passes...
Plus, this guy has like nine lives. We are deep at WR, so why keep him around?
by shawneriksmith on Aug 15, 2010 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions
So the guy has two drops in the first game of preseason, one when he got absolutely nailed in mid-air.
Yeah, let’s run him out of town! Pssh.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions
He's been on our roster for the past several pre-seasons
and a couple of regular seasons. He’s not done anything of note.
Cut him.
Not sure if Mouton is at the cut point yet,
but OMFG CUT SIMMS!
Ditto
Simms out…more reps for Collins/Smith.
by shawneriksmith on Aug 15, 2010 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Simms needs to go
Mouton still needs practice. He shouldn’t be cut. This is stillonly his 2nd season. Improvement will come. But McCourtey and Verner looked amazing
Simms needs to go. I got tired of seeing him in the pocket. I agree that the O-line screwed him, but he still looked bad when they did well.
The D-Line looked great compared to ours of last season. Too bad they only got a few drives.
I think Rusty Smith will be a very good QB in a few years. He had an easy rookie mistake, but otherwise he did well.
And Marc Mariani did a very good job overall today. If he continues to play likethat he can expect to fit on the roster.
Adrian Peterson still thinks he's the best running back in the NFL. That's funny, Fumble Fingers.
by MikeGriffFan27 on Aug 15, 2010 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree Mouton shouldn't be cut, but...
…he made me wish Nick Harper was out there. That’s how badly he played.
by shawneriksmith on Aug 15, 2010 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Eh
thats a little harsh. Lol. That’s the biggest insult for a corner.
That reminds me: what do you all think is gonna happen to Harper? Do you think he is done. Maybe the CFL?
Adrian Peterson still thinks he's the best running back in the NFL. That's funny, Fumble Fingers.
by MikeGriffFan27 on Aug 15, 2010 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Disagree
Biggest insult would be comparing Mouton to Reynaldo Hill.
If I hit a hole-in-one on this grand slam the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
by jasonkylebates on Aug 15, 2010 4:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I had to get used to not cringing
every time I saw #20 around the ball.
by oHIo1 on Aug 15, 2010 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I remember that
last season, the starters had trouble scoring all pre season. It’s great to see open the preseason with impresive drive. What I really liked is that is was a balance attack.
I'm not a VY fanboy, I'm a VY supporter
That is a great point
There wasn’t a single preseason game last year where I felt good about our starters.
Titans Blogger at Music City Miracles even though gramsey hates it.
"What if I was Peyton Manning?"- CJ to the ref after they picked up a personal foul flag for a late hit on him.
Another note from this game,
can’t afford any injuries to starting OL
by rothbard on Aug 15, 2010 12:24 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Question...
After Stafon’s injury, I was expecting to wake up tomorrow and get on the sight to see that he was cut. But after thinking about it a while, couldn’t the Titans put him on IR and they not lose a roster spot? That would be the most logical thinking I could come up with.
"Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck." - Don Schula
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors." - Frank Gifford
... Question of my own...
How heartless would we be if we cut him, especially after what he’s gone through?
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Very Heartless
But a move that would be expected in the NFL…It is a business after all
"Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck." - Don Schula
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors." - Frank Gifford
Wasn't there an old cliche about the NFL being 'all about heart'?
That kid’s got plenty of it.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, but
in every business there is a place for a little heart.
I'm not a VY fanboy, I'm a VY supporter
I know that heart is a good thing
but if you can’t contribute…Besides I guarantee if I got to play one snap in the NFL as a Wide Receiver or Cornerback, I would get stomped at only 6’2" and 145 lbs. But I sure would give it my all. Would it mean you want me on your team? I doubt it. As heartless as it is.
"Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck." - Don Schula
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors." - Frank Gifford
Stafon didn't get stomped.
The play he got injured on was a double-digit gain. And he had some impressive runs throughout the game too.
So, you? I wouldn’t want you on my team. Stafon? With his endurance, heart, and physical ability? Yeah, I would.
I’d take CJ over anyone, though.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions
He can't make any runs
with a dislocated ankle. Cut him, and bring him back to camp next year if he comes back.
Yeah, let's kick a guy while he's down.
Why not go ahead and give him a loaded gun so he can commit suicide.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Kick him how?
This isn’t pee-wee football where everyone gets a trophy
Yeah, this is real life, where everyone is a heartless bastard.
This is why I really hate online message boards. Everyone is so negative.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL
Some people suck. It’s ok. Not everyone can make the cut. That’s why it is professional football instead of recreational football.
We might as well just shoot the poor guy.
Put him out of his misery.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Being cut from a football team
is equivalent to killing someone?? Really?
I never said he did.
I was stating that I would give a ton of heart to just play one snap, but if I couldn’t contribute it was pointless. I realize that the difference between Stafon and my athletic ability is far apart, but if he can’t play this year what is the point of keeping him?
"Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck." - Don Schula
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors." - Frank Gifford
I can't believe you guys right now.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Dude.
The guy gets paid to play, why take on that money if he can’t. Look at it from a Donald Trump standpoint. If you don’t bring anything to the table, you get fired.
"Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck." - Don Schula
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors." - Frank Gifford
We're not the freaking Trump Empire.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions
No we aren't
But the Titans are an empire of sorts.
"Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck." - Don Schula
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors." - Frank Gifford
We are not going to waste a roster spot on a player that can't play.
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Official Graphic Goon of On The Forecheck.
by Aditya T (smashville) on Aug 15, 2010 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions
By your guy's logic, we already should have cut Vince Young.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions
VINCE YOUNG IS NOT INJURED
"Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck." - Don Schula
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors." - Frank Gifford
Vince Young
suffered a season-ending injury as an undrafted free agent before the season even started?
Remember when he had the mental breakdown last year?
Not to mention his hamstring was also acting up.
So, he didn’t have anything to contribute. So by your logic, we should’ve cut him.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Last year? That was two years ago.
Oh and he could still play. After his injury healed. Stafon won’t be back this season to play for us.
"Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck." - Don Schula
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors." - Frank Gifford
I cannot believe this is a real conversation
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Official Graphic Goon of On The Forecheck.
by Aditya T (smashville) on Aug 15, 2010 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I cannot believe the absolutely heartlessness I've just witnessed.
From our own team’s fans, no less! I’m really ashamed of you guys.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions
On the field...
You all saw those guys praying. The Titans aren’t just a business; they are a team. It’s a Tennessee thing I think where you give a lot of care for your family. The Titans will most likely not cut him because that is what we are
Adrian Peterson still thinks he's the best running back in the NFL. That's funny, Fumble Fingers.
by MikeGriffFan27 on Aug 15, 2010 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't care if the Titans want to endow him
for life, but if they use a roster spot to keep him, it would be idiotic.
It has nothing to do with heart or lack of.
There are limited number of spots on a team. To keep one occupied by an undrafted free agent that suffered a catastrophic preseason injury is ridiculous from a team point of view.
Why not
Why not use the IR then?
Adrian Peterson still thinks he's the best running back in the NFL. That's funny, Fumble Fingers.
by MikeGriffFan27 on Aug 15, 2010 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Look
this is a football team, not a nursing home. We are not bound to any players in the preseason. No way we will waste a roster spot on a player that can not do his job. If you ran a company would you really pay a salary to a worker that was not doing their job?
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Official Graphic Goon of On The Forecheck.
by Aditya T (smashville) on Aug 15, 2010 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Wasn't that just my point up there?
"Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck." - Don Schula
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors." - Frank Gifford
I'd pay a worker that got injured on the job.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions
and keep them for an entire year
when their injury prevents them from doing their job?
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Official Graphic Goon of On The Forecheck.
by Aditya T (smashville) on Aug 15, 2010 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I would.
It’s also why I’m not going to be owning a business.
I have too much of a heart to be doing that.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions
too much heart, or to ignorant?
Look at the bottom line that was scrolling by during the Titans game. It was FULL of players who got hurt & were cut.
Where were u earlier this week when they cut 2 guys for no reason, other than to make room for DE’s cuz so many were hurt?
by oHIo1 on Aug 15, 2010 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously
You know, Simms burst his spleen playing football. He played his heart out and finished the half that way. We should keep him on the roster even though he isn’t able to contribute (and not because he’s injure) because of his heart.
Cut the man and we’ll root for him coming back next season.
What do we do if somehow Colt McCoy ends up on an NFL team starting against Vince Young?
so cuz Simms burst his spleen while playing for the
hapless Bucs, we should keep him?!!? Thats retarded!! Under ur guys logic, the Bucs should be stuck with him. But, since football is a buisness at this level, he was cut. Now, here he is again on the verge of being cut.
The guy smoked weed in the car with his pregnant wife!! He is an idiot.
I just reread ur comment inVinceable
& I think I misread what u were saying. If u defending keeping Simms, then my above comment counts. If u were using that as an example to use with Staffon, then I apologize.
LOL
Indeed it was a point being made
Titans shouldn’t factor in personal life into decisions about whether or not to employ someone. Only if they think that those factors will adversely influence their play.
None of that matters to our idealistic friend here. Luckily (sarc) we have plenty of his type in this world. Unyielding in their attempt to make the world a happy place where it never rains and everyone lives happily ever after.
What do we do if somehow Colt McCoy ends up on an NFL team starting against Vince Young?
Hard to cut a 1st round pick when you have so much invested.
Would need to keep him around till he either turns it around or someone else will trade for him.
Yeah, but if I hired you to work for me
And you get hurt while working, there is some responsibility from my part to take care of you.
I'm not a VY fanboy, I'm a VY supporter
Exactly.
I can’t believe everyone calling for the guy to get cut. Did everyone put their sympathy on vacation? What’s wrong with you guys?
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions
They should give him some compensation
if they injury waive him. I think I’ve seen teams do that.
"Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck." - Don Schula
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors." - Frank Gifford
IR
I think we all should agree that the best decision for now Is to put him on the Injury Reserve. Then we give him a shot next year. If he doesn’t wanna play or if he can’t play, he can quit. But IR is the best decision at this point due to the fact that he has a ton of potential and heart.
Adrian Peterson still thinks he's the best running back in the NFL. That's funny, Fumble Fingers.
by MikeGriffFan27 on Aug 15, 2010 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions
They can give him a shot next year
even if they cut him.
Dude
The guy doesn’t get paid to play if he doesn’t play. Remember, this is pre-season. The players make nothing during these games.
If I hit a hole-in-one on this grand slam the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
by jasonkylebates on Aug 15, 2010 4:49 AM CDT up reply actions
IR
I told you. Didn't I tell you? Who told you, me! Mouton sucks!!!
by RareColoradoTitanFan on Aug 15, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
You know if he gets cut...
He’s gonna sign with Pete Carrol’s Seahawks.
by ElectricScissors on Aug 15, 2010 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I am not exactly sure of the rules
but I think they would have to pay him some injury settlement money if they cut him now.
They could also put him on IR. That way he wouldn’t be occupying a roster spot and would still be paid. He could also rehab with the team doctors.
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"What if I was Peyton Manning?"- CJ to the ref after they picked up a personal foul flag for a late hit on him.
I can believe that Simms is being in the league 8 years
He looked like a rookie out there, the line didn’t help, but still he’s a veteran. Never was comfortable out there.
I'm not a VY fanboy, I'm a VY supporter
Ironically, Simms looked like a rookie, and the rookie Rusty Smith looked like a veteran.
Except for the game-ending INT.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I used to think that his OL just does not block for him...
but after watching him last night, I realized that he hangs on to the damn ball too long. In the NFL, you’ve got 2…maybe 3 seconds…after that you’re either gonna throw it away or you’re gonna get sacked.
by titansfan4ever on Aug 15, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Just wondering...
How can we be complaining about the rookie Mouton’s game more-so than the 8-year ’’veteran’’ Simms’ excruciating incompetence? At least Mouton got a pick (I don’t care if it fell right into his arms. A pick is a pick.). All Simms managed to get was himself cut.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 12:44 AM CDT reply actions
We complained about both
/Mouton is not a rookie.
"Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck." - Don Schula
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors." - Frank Gifford
How many downs has he played?
I’m sure it was zero until this game. So, in my book, that’s a rookie.
Simms’ doesn’t have an excuse though. QB’s that sit should have enough time to build their skills.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Well I didn't notice him.
Which probably proves your point about him not being good.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 16, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Simms incompetence is a given
since he still sucks after being in the league for 8 years. Mouton sucks because he sucked last year and is still getting burned. It’s not just little slip ups. He either makes a play or looks completely out of place.
Fine, you guys win.
The resident optimist is leaving the building. Night everyone.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions
But...
Mouton is still young. He has little experience. He’s improved tons since last year. This is only the preseason. By week 3 he should be a fine back up
Adrian Peterson still thinks he's the best running back in the NFL. That's funny, Fumble Fingers.
by MikeGriffFan27 on Aug 15, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions
he played in our patriots 59-0 beatdown
filling in for finnegan, mccourty for harper and nickey for chris hope.
He was probably involved in some other beatdown or two but yeah.
And yes Mouton got a pick. Which’ll be enough to keep him around at
least thru this year, then we either cut him or trade him due to unproductivity
I told you. Didn't I tell you? Who told you, me! Mouton sucks!!!
by RareColoradoTitanFan on Aug 15, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I might not be coming here anymore.
This is the most negativity I’ve ever seen in one place in years.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey,
We’d like you to stick around and everything. But seriously, this is the real world.
"Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck." - Don Schula
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors." - Frank Gifford
Thanks for the classy reply.
And I know it’s the real world, but everyone is making our team sound like some sort of high-profile business.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions
We are of a high-profile business.
The NFL is definitely high-profile, and a football team is a business, as you hear Jeff Fisher say so often.
Graphic Designer/Researcher/Writer at Music City Miracles.
Official Graphic Goon of On The Forecheck.
by Aditya T (smashville) on Aug 15, 2010 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Okay, let me rephrase.
We’re not a 100% professionally-strict Empire of society.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Stick it to the man and what not
When you drop the idealism, you’ll understand what we are talking about.
What do we do if somehow Colt McCoy ends up on an NFL team starting against Vince Young?
We?
You work for the Titans organization?
I told you. Didn't I tell you? Who told you, me! Mouton sucks!!!
by RareColoradoTitanFan on Aug 15, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
It is a high profile business
Most of the player are very well compensated and the league generate millions of dollars.
I'm not a VY fanboy, I'm a VY supporter
Thanks for proving my point about the negativity.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Saying I "live a very sheltered life" just because I don't want to unneccesarily put up with some of the negativity I've seen?
Yes, that’s something negative you just said. Just a descriptive way to say “you must not have a life”, or “you must not get out much”.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions
But what is "negative"
about saying Johnson should be cut in order to make room for another RB that can actually physically contribute?
Saying that nobody could consider what he's gone through when making the decision to cut him.
That’s what negative about the way it’s being said.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Because "what he has gone through"
as no bearing on the game of football, which is what this discussion is about.
But it does have a bearing on whether we should cut him.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Because not everyone in our team's administration is as heartless as we apparently are.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions
What does "heart"
have to do with roster spots?
HOW CAN U EVEN SAY THAT?!?!
Of course this team is heartless!
They just let the heart of their defense for the last 8yrs walk away w/o even giving him an offer. They locked out the player with the most heart ever(McNair)& then traded him away like some scrub!!!! They let one of the best RB’s in team history go.
This team has proven time & again that they dont have a heart when it comes to buisness dealings.
I know its hard for a kid like u to realize this, but thats just how cruel the real world is.
No, that's the front office screwing up.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 16, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Because not everyone in our team's administration is as heartless as we apparently are. -ur words
That is the front office showing u its a buisness, not a charity where u should let emotions(such as heart) affect buisness decisions.
But in those instances, ur right. They did screw up
Injured Reserve
he wont have a roster spot but he’ll still be on the titans payroll. This way no one has to lose sleep about him being unemployed and the titans fans can worry about that roster spot that they all seem to have their panties in a bunch about even tho its prolly gonna get filled by paul williams or ryan mouton
I told you. Didn't I tell you? Who told you, me! Mouton sucks!!!
by RareColoradoTitanFan on Aug 15, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Take it easy man
But if you are going to justify or defend everyone on the team you will run into some arguments. Remember, these are professional player, I doubt any negativity shown in this board, or any other as a matter of fact, will affect them. We as fans are passionate about our team and football, so is natural that will run into passionate responses.
I'm not a VY fanboy, I'm a VY supporter
Alright, well put.
I’ve never really liked people not taking into account the morality-side of things. (Or, if they do take it into account, ignoring it or giving the backseat to something else.)
But, you’re right. I’ll definitely run into some arguments.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Because the "morality"
of the situation (whatever that is) has no bearing whatsoever on the decision to cut him or not. It’s an amoral choice. Would it be ok to cut him if he hadn’t got hurt? If so why not? Why do call for Simms to be cut? I mean, damn, the man ruptured is spleen! Give him a chance!
That's where you're wrong.
It DEFINITELY has a bearing on the decision to cut him or not. It’s not an amoral choice.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions
The guy nearly died a year ago. He fought back all off-season to be on OUR team.
And now we’re saying to cut him, because of an unfortunate injury? That’s the moral dilemma.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions
He fought back all off-season to be
on ANY TEAM.
Fine, I'll rephrase.
The guy nearly died a year ago. He fought back all off-season to PLAY FOOTBALL.
And now we’re saying to cut him, because of an unfortunate injury? That’s the moral dilemma.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions
If he can't play football,
why pay him to play football?
"Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck." - Don Schula
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors." - Frank Gifford
He battled back from a near-death accident to play.
I think he can come back from a dislocated ankle.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Not this year...
"Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck." - Don Schula
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors." - Frank Gifford
just not pay him while waiting
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by Aditya T (smashville) on Aug 15, 2010 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions
But being cut could crush him emotionally and mentally.
Look what it did to Simms.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions
So his mental state needs
to be subsidized by the Titans organization? Stafon Johnson is not a little kid.
That's just life.
It’s not fair sometimes.
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Official Graphic Goon of On The Forecheck.
by Aditya T (smashville) on Aug 15, 2010 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm tired of hearing that explanation.
It’s just an excuse. Not a reason.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions
It is a reason.
Stafon Johnson engaged in the football game under his own free will knowing exactly the kind of injury or fatality that could befall him by doing so. The Titans owe him nothing.
Wow. You just topped the list of the most heartless statement I’ve ever heard or seen in my entire life. Congrats.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Can you define "heartless"?
Is it anything different than “something I don’t like”?
Yes it is.
It’s when someone completely ignores the emotional and moral consequences to something, or just puts them as the lowest priority.
That’s my definition of heartless.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions
But why do the emotional and "moral"
consequences have any relevance? Aren’t we talking about managing a professional football team?
Then what is your point?
You just used the morality case on Stafon.
"Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck." - Don Schula
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors." - Frank Gifford
Stafon's case is much more pressing than Simm's is.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Your empathy to his history
does not somehow elevate his concern above anyone else’s. Why is Johnson’s situation more important than the Titans’s situation?
What situation?
The loss of one HB spot, even when we can put him on IR and eliminate that?
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Like I said
I don’t care if they put him on the IR or not. I am objecting simply to him taking a roster spot.
I'm not saying we should keep him on the roster.
I’m saying we shouldn’t cut the guy.
And you have come across pretty cold while arguing your point.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Because the emotional response one may or may not have
as no relevance to the decision to be made.
"Because I said so" fails as an argument
Why should they have relevance?
But what's normal?
You emotional response to Johnson’s injury doesn’t make it normal. Your generalizing your feelings into some kind of universal good.
But couldn’t I then just say he should be cut and that is the normal response for human beings?
So you're saying human beings aren't empathetic by design?
If we weren’t, then pain, death, and all other tragedies would have no bearing on us.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 1:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm simply stating
that “I like X” in know entails “Everyone should like X”
You're putting words in my mouth and intentions in my words.
I’m not saying that just because I feel for the guy, everyone should. I’m saying the Titans organization isn’t going to just go out and cut him without a second thought, like you seem to be insinuating.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I feel bad for him too!
But that doesn’t mean that the Titans should not cut him from the roster. If he can be placed on the IR (I don’t know all the nuances of the IR) and they want to, go ahead. If not, so be it.
I never said the Titans should clean out his shit and slam the door on his face. If they want to help him rehab, get back in shape, etc then more power to them (and the probably will).
But to keep him on and waste space is detrimental to the team.
We don't
We don’t cut Stafon. Simms could have been an elite QB. he injured himself and was cut. Look at him now. He’s useless 4 years later. I really don’t want to see that happen to Stafon Johnson
Adrian Peterson still thinks he's the best running back in the NFL. That's funny, Fumble Fingers.
by MikeGriffFan27 on Aug 15, 2010 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions
dude i doubt they even get on this website
I told you. Didn't I tell you? Who told you, me! Mouton sucks!!!
by RareColoradoTitanFan on Aug 15, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't let the door hit you on the way out
by vancouverTITAN on Aug 15, 2010 11:59 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, because the internet is a door.
Can you at least be a little more creative when using elementary one-liners?
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 16, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I couldnt read that whole argument, but I skimmed through it and understood everyone's ideas
But look, nobody is going to waste a roster spot on someone who can’t contribute to the team, no matter what kind of story they have. Hell, he may not have even made the team if he was healthy. Just because somebody has a great story behind them means absolutely nothing; if you can’t contribute to the team you can’t earn a roster spot. Also, unless the Titans score touchdowns every drive, and don’t give up any yards on any play all season every season, there’s going to be negativity. Paul Williams is not a good NFL player, so the fans are going to say that. The Titans have given him so many chances, its ridiculous (talk about a waste of a roster spot). But yes, the NFL is a business, and you can’t afford to be worried about this and that when you have to worry about winning games, which is all they have to do to be successful. This won’t be the last time we hear a story similar to Stafon’s, but at the end of the day, it is a business decision.
Injured Reserve
I told you. Didn't I tell you? Who told you, me! Mouton sucks!!!
by RareColoradoTitanFan on Aug 15, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Can we agree to disagree and discuss other things about the game
this thread and taken a weird turn
I'm not a VY fanboy, I'm a VY supporter
So...
how bout them Tennessee Titans?
"Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck." - Don Schula
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors." - Frank Gifford
That's why they're the second unit.
:P
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Our third string looked good though.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions
It was awful
This is fun
What do we do if somehow Colt McCoy ends up on an NFL team starting against Vince Young?
What's fun?
Randomly disagreeing with everything? Whatever floats your boat, bud.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 16, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
No
You are the most sensitive poster I’ve ever seen. To the point that I almost wonder if you are trolling. Regardless, I’ll take the bet that you are just an idiot and feed away.
I’m sorry, I guess I’m being mean and heartless, aren’t I?
What do we do if somehow Colt McCoy ends up on an NFL team starting against Vince Young?
No, you're just being a moron.
And horribly failing at an attempt to offend me.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 16, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I didn't like the part in the game
where the mean guys were hitting the other guys! I thought this was supposed to be a fun game! Why all the hitting?
Yeah, this should be more like soccer!
No hits! The NFL needs to outlaw them, along with facemasks, tickets, and stadiums!
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 1:24 AM CDT up reply actions
No, there are flops, bumps, and trips in soccer.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions
And people getting cut from teams
because they either suck or are so seriously injured they have no hope in playing anytime in the near future.
And people trying to create more conflict by bringing up things from other arguments!
Oh, wait, that’s not soccer…
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 5:40 AM CDT up reply actions
HAHA! @rothbard
I told you. Didn't I tell you? Who told you, me! Mouton sucks!!!
by RareColoradoTitanFan on Aug 15, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Not really… most contracts in professional soccer don’t include clauses that allow teams to fire players for being injured.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
He doesn’t really care, he was just trying to make some reference to the debate above.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 16, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Soccer sucks.
Period.
"Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck." - Don Schula
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors." - Frank Gifford
by King Titan on Aug 15, 2010 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
My observations
Ryan Mouton = Rod Hood
Mark Mariani = Wes Welker (or at least Julian Edelman)
Rusty Smith will be a solid #2 QB one day
Sen’derrick Marks is a beast
Marks is very good.
Though I’d like to see him more involved with the first team.
"Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck." - Don Schula
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors." - Frank Gifford
I think
he will end up starting opposite Jason Jones
Where will Tony Brown be?
"Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck." - Don Schula
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors." - Frank Gifford
Definitely starting
That’s an oversight on my part. I think it will be those 3 rotating and getting most of the playing time (Brown, Jones, Marks) and I think Haye will be on the outside looking in.
You'll have four DTs rotating in
Whether Haye is that fourth guy remains to be seen.
If I hit a hole-in-one on this grand slam the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
by jasonkylebates on Aug 15, 2010 4:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Mouton didn't help his cause for the starting CB spot
McRath will be missed, Verner is the real deal. Love seeing JJ healthy
I'm not a VY fanboy, I'm a VY supporter
I think it's a bit of a stretch to call Mariani a Welker or Edelman clone. He looked good, though.
Hopefully he’ll get meaningful time as a returner. But, there ain’t no way Fisher will let him see the field as a receiver.
True, but if he returns like that hes pretty much a lock for a spot
Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove
by BonzosMontreaux on Aug 15, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
From Stafon's twitter
Thank u 2 everybody that sent up a prayer 4 me this is jus another bump in the round ill b good trust back better the b4 always know GHAP
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by Aditya T (smashville) on Aug 15, 2010 1:26 AM CDT reply actions
Hope for the best for this kid, if not with this team
He will get his shot.
I'm not a VY fanboy, I'm a VY supporter
Agreed
"Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck." - Don Schula
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors." - Frank Gifford
Really liked VY reaction to his INT
He owned to it but also realise that is preseason and there is time to work on thos things
I'm not a VY fanboy, I'm a VY supporter
Yeah, he's definitely looking more and more mature.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions
except where he got in a fight with the seahawks bench right after the play lol really mature
I told you. Didn't I tell you? Who told you, me! Mouton sucks!!!
by RareColoradoTitanFan on Aug 15, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Hey, it happens.
I was referring to him owing up to his mistake.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Anyone surprised at Blounts effectiveness?
I thought for sure he was the second coming from all the hype. With 5 carries for 4 yards and a long of two. Might have been the offensive line, but I hope that was just first game jitters.
"Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck." - Don Schula
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors." - Frank Gifford
Agreed.
He looked better than Lendale… in the fact that he didn’t fumble.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 1:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Lendale had pretty good ball skills if I remember right.
Just that one during the playoff game against the Ravens. In fact It might have been his only fumble in 2008
"Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck." - Don Schula
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors." - Frank Gifford
I wouldn't put too much stock
in Blount’s numbers. Having goal line carries behind and offensive line that isn’t NFL caliber in a preseason game isn’t the best indicator of how successful he will be. I know the defensive guys were scrubs too, but the defense still has the advantage there.
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"What if I was Peyton Manning?"- CJ to the ref after they picked up a personal foul flag for a late hit on him.
And now with the injury to Stafon
Blount chances to make the team have improved greatly.
I'm not a VY fanboy, I'm a VY supporter
Mean heartless door shut
martial arts aftergame window open
What do we do if somehow Colt McCoy ends up on an NFL team starting against Vince Young?
Well as far as I can see
this thread is over with, so I’m out for the second time.
"Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck." - Don Schula
"Pro football is like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors." - Frank Gifford
Ok, so have we agreed
that the Titans “should” place Johnson on the IR instead of putting him on the curb?
Yup.
At least give him a chance to show something of himself.
Other than that he can spectacularly dislocate his ankle.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 5:42 AM CDT up reply actions
And survive his neck being crushed by a weighted metal rod.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 5:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Stafon Johnson is a very good player, but he should not be on the team
if he cannot perform. It is not right to utilize a roster spot if he can’t actually play. The event that happened at USC has no connection with what happened during the game last night. I feel terrible for the guy, but that happens sometimes. I hope he can come back from two awful things and make a great career for himself, but to keep him on the roster because of pity is not wise.
Yeah, and there's a beautiful thing that can allow us all to compromise: IR.
Injured reserve.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 15, 2010 5:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Not a compromise
It’s meant for players that have already proven themselves as legitimate contenders for playing time. Not for undrafted free agents who we happen to like. We shouldn’t waste any money on this guy. Regardless of how much I feel for him after coming back from the neck injury, if he comes back from this, he would have an extremely hard time finding playing time anyway.
Cut him and ask him to come back if he gets to playing again.
What do we do if somehow Colt McCoy ends up on an NFL team starting against Vince Young?
Well, the Leaf Chronicle reported that Fisher is keeping him on.
He said he’s ‘optimistic’ that Stafon can spring back before the season is over.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 16, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Then he's more idealistic
than he should be. I’m not saying it is what they will, it’s what they should. There is some benefit as far as fans go in trying to make him into a feel good story to boost ticket sales. Maybe they are banking on that.
Regardless, the kid will never play a meaningful snap for Titans again. I’ll put my crow in the freezer in case I need to eat it later, but I am pretty confident about that.
What do we do if somehow Colt McCoy ends up on an NFL team starting against Vince Young?
by inVINCEable on Aug 16, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Chris Simms should be cut ASAP.
Jason Jones and Sen’Derrick Marks are beasts.
Tooouucchhddooowwnnn Titans!
Jimmy….That whole game was a blur. After eating a huge bowl of ice cream before the game, I was in and out of a diabetic coma for the next 3 hours. So sad….at least I have your recap to look at!
Did you have some cake as well?
Titans Blogger at Music City Miracles even though gramsey hates it.
"What if I was Peyton Manning?"- CJ to the ref after they picked up a personal foul flag for a late hit on him.
I'll have a post up later with some more detailed thoughts. Last night was encouraging, though.
Probably the biggest thing I took away from last night:
I feel MUCH better about our starters on both sides of the ball.
However, this team is paper thin at running back, offensive line, and corner.
I still feel like we only have a half sheet of paper at corner
Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove
by BonzosMontreaux on Aug 15, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I didn't get to see the game
But, I’m taking my guy did well for a rookie QB. Did he show enough potential to say he could be an NFL starter one day?
Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
He ran the offense better than Simms did...
it’s too early to say much more right now.
by titansfan4ever on Aug 15, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
That's not saying much.
My grandmother could run an offense better than Simms did.
And she’s dead.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 16, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
If you guys think Mariani is the answer to our return game, your crazy.
He holds the ball well and that’s it. I thought he was kaesviharn lol. I still pray we bring in Leroy Vann.
for what seemed like an eternity...
we were looking for a return guy to just hold onto the ball. not saying he is the answer bc it is the first preseason game, but he looked pretty comfortable out there and looking to deliver a blow rather than waiting for one to be delivered on him. more reps will deliver more of an idea.
by Doin-It_Since_87' on Aug 15, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but we also have to wait how Damian Williams looks
One of the reasons he was drafted is his ability to return kicks and punts.
I'm not a VY fanboy, I'm a VY supporter
its too bad
Titans didn’t keep vickerson
by AZ TiTan10 on Aug 15, 2010 6:03 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Well...
Found word on the Leaf Chronicle website (via the Broncos blog, ironically) that Jeff Fisher is going to keep Stafon Johnson around, hopeful that he’ll come back from his injury before the season’s over.
Make of that what you will.
by fanoftheunderdogs on Aug 16, 2010 10:00 AM CDT reply actions
Except that it's misinformation :p
Waived today
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