Tennessee Titans Morning Links: No Weave, No Foul Edition
by August West on Jun 21, 2010 11:09 AM CDT
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Robert Johnson and his mother are the subject of a stirring Father's Day-related article by the Tennessean's John Glennon. Robert's father was brutally murdered by burglars Robert was 5, but his mother made sure that her son knew his father through her stories and memories as he grew. It's a great piece that really transcends clichés and should remind a lot of us just how lucky we are. CJ2K talked with ESPN's Michael Smith (who you may remember from the enlightening VY interview from last year) for an ESPN E:60 piece, and CJ2K told Smith he feels like he should be making over $30-40 million guaranteed. Not. Happening. Still, you he has unquestionably shown that if any running back in the NFL is worth that much, it's him. I know if CJ2K stays healthy and productive he'll see that kind of money one day, I'm just not sure it's going to be here...
Some folks like to call Cortland Finnegan a cheap or dirty player. those folks are usually called victims. The City Paper's Mark Wheeler catches up with Cort, who is looking to rebound from a year that was marred buy a month-long hamstring injury, and by a chunk of hair ripped out by actual dirty players Jacobi Jones and Andre Johnson.
Follow us through the jump for the key to greatness in the NFL...
Jamie Winborn was one of the quieter acquisitions we made late last season after Bulluck and Thronton hit the IR, but he's looking to make some noise now that McRath has been suspended and Tully is still nowhere to be seen right now. Winborn was a tremendous linebacker at Vanderbilt, and has had some very good years scattered throughout an NFL career that's been marred by various injuries (including a serious neck injury that cost him the better part of 3 years).
Bo Scaife talks about Stephen Tulloch's continued hold-out. Bo perhaps understands where Tully is coming from better than anyone else at Baptist Sports Park since Scaife was in the same position last year (and somewhat this year), and the two men are represented by the notoriously brash Drew Rosenhaus.
A Jacksonville-based writer looks at the combined drama Vince Young and CJ2K are causing Jeff Fisher. I will say that at times this whole ordeal looks like a bad telenovela story arch.
Still more commentary on the 30 day rule from PFT.
Maurice Jone-Drew fills in for the World Cup covering Peter King, and writes about what it takes to be great in the NFL. What's the key? Flossing.
If soccer were the no. 1 sport in the US, Scott McCoy would want CJ2K as a forward and Vince Young as a mid-fielder. Not too shabby for a list that draws from all of the major sports.
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CJ2K Comments: (how CHRIS feels)
This is what he stated on the morning of the camp picture from our main page.
""I can’t play for $550,000,‘’ Johnson said. "The money that I am playing for, I am getting paid less than the starting 11 (on offense) and I’m one of the lowest paid starting running backs in the league.’’ (Tennessean.com)
5 days ago via Twitter: "Just got off the phn w/ my agent & its not good news I’m feeling lk @Revis24 rt now at least dey offering him,’’
Titanwarrior1: I thought it was 556K, but who’s counting. I ALSO RECALL POSTING WEEKS AGO that he won’t play full performance for this price & then he states my words exactly. Amazing…
Where exactly does he state your words exactly?
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by Aditya T (smashville) on Jun 21, 2010 12:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He is asking for an insane amount of money. He did outperform almost
anyone I can think of in the league, but that does not mean that I feel he deserves that kind of money. Bottom line, he signed a deal and was very pleased with it at signing time. He had a couple of impressive years and now wants the big money. I say no way to that. It will come, he just needs to be patient and it will happen. He was guaranteed 7 million up front, you don’t hear about that, just the $550 K annually that he twitters about.
Exactly
7 out of 12 million was guaranteed, and thats not too shabby. He’ll get his money eventually, but he needs to shut up and play. The Titans won’t be giving him 30-40 million guaranteed anytime soon, and it would be folly to do so.
Irony at its best: "However, right now, all I see is a lot of fingers getting pointed without any facts."- BBS (on Marvin Harrison)
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jun 21, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
VY-red card
Made me giggle
Where’s Chone on that list?
I’m an early bird and a night owl. So I’m wise and I have worms.
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Hey August can i use you as a resource for my paper
I get to do it on the Titans im covering the running back, quarterback, OL, then the defense.
its an evaluation paper any thoughts?
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by SouthTexasTitan on Jun 21, 2010 12:08 PM CDT reply actions
sure thing
email me at mcmaugustwest@gmail.com and let me know what kind of stuff you’re looking for.
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by August West on Jun 21, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
and let me know....
what school/course allows you to write a paper on the Titans O. where do i sign???
by NJ Titans Fan on Jun 21, 2010 5:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
at this point tennessee has to offer him a deal
he has no leverage except he can play half assed. of course then he wont get any money anyways. but still, hes your best player and if yo uwant to win anything you need him happy and performing. meet him half way, make an offer, and get on with it
I agree he doesn't have much leverage
So why would/should Tennessee offer him a new deal? His only option is to keep holding out, and miss out on his remaining contract money. Quite frankly when it comes down to it, I think he’ll be in camp and I think he’ll play well this year. At his current contract.
Irony at its best: "However, right now, all I see is a lot of fingers getting pointed without any facts."- BBS (on Marvin Harrison)
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jun 21, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
And you know what happens if he plays half-assed?
We don’t make the playoffs.
The same thing that happens if he plays like he did last year.
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How do you play half-assed?
I think both cheeks have to be on the field.
Srsly, though, if he plays half-assed, he’s gonna risk injury.
Uncapped year question
Forgive me if this has been answered many times already…
But what’s preventing the Titans from giving CJ $30-40mil up front during this uncapped year? The Titans are a profitable organization with a loyal fanbase… what is the downside of keeping a fan-favorite player that is exciting and bring national attention (fantasy football and Madden coverage cannot be underestimated)? The rest of the new contract can be normal stuff due to the 30% rule (or agreed to be reworked in a year or two so that his annual $$ numbers match his peers with him giving back some guaranteed).
Seriously. What’s wrong with the above? Just the fears of him not playing well once paid?
Then don’t CJ’s fears of injury equal/negate those?
I, for one, cannot wait until a change of ownership. (though the flying of the birds vs Buffalo was awesome)
30 mil for one year?
I see what you’re getting at, ie. pay him a lot this year to take advantage of no cap, but to pay a RB a contract’s worth of money in one year would be very extreme.
Irony at its best: "However, right now, all I see is a lot of fingers getting pointed without any facts."- BBS (on Marvin Harrison)
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jun 21, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
It's the precedent that it would set that I don't like.
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Also a good point
Irony at its best: "However, right now, all I see is a lot of fingers getting pointed without any facts."- BBS (on Marvin Harrison)
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jun 21, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Lockout topic
This just delves into the debate of players v. ownership for the upcoming threatened lockout. Who deserves more of the pie? Those putting their bodies/lives (concussions, etc) on the line or those making it happen? Who gets the title of greediest participant of these two?
I side with the players and like Green Bay’s setup where the town owns the team – their books are open.
I side with the owners for the most part
If the team fails, it’s not the players who lose out. They are able to go on and play for another team.
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ack
didn’t hit the “reply” button. :/
The owners have the rest of their lives to "win" (whether that is a championship or simply to earn $$$). Players have 3-10 years (some players go 20 [Favre, punters/kickers]). Their chances to "win" are much smaller than for the owners.
The owners, btw, must already be successful to be even at the table as owning a team isn’t cheap. However, -and please correct me if I’m wrong – all NFL teams are profitable just by being in the league (TV rights distribution, etc). The Jags are just not meeting their potential, not losing money. [again, I don’t know this for a fact, but I haven’t read/heard otherwise]
I definitely see your point
And see both sides of the argument.
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Re:
The owners have the rest of their lives to “win” (whether that is a championship or simply to earn $$$). Players have 3-10 years (some players go 20 [Favre, punters/kickers]). Their chances to “win” are much smaller than for the owners.
The players have the rest of their lives to win as well. With the amount of money they make at such a young age, there’s no excuse for these guys. The ones that go broke are living irresponsibly. The power of compounding interest could make all these guys filthy rich by the time they are fifty if they were smart with their money. The owners shouldn’t have to suffer the consequences of paying above market for an employee because most of said employees spend their money like idiots.
by SuperHorn on Jun 21, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
employees spending...
I don’t believe the players are arguing for the sake of blowing through more money. They are arguing from the point of making the “product” valuable and getting what they consider to be their fair share.
The owners (for the most part) always think with their wallets and not with humanity in mind. Just consider how hard the former players are fighting to get medical care for life-ruining injuries they suffered while helping these owners continue to rake in profits.
I’m curious as to what the owners do with all their money. I wish they would take a page from Gates and Buffet
OK.
We’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one. What your talking about is a philosophical difference: one between capitalism and socialism. Neither of us is going to win that argument, and that’s not what this forum is intended for either.
It is worth pointing out re: Warren Buffet, that it’s great that he’s giving 99% of his wealth to charity. But, that 1% that’s left over is worth $470 mm, more than any reasonable human being can spend in a lifetime. Bud’s total net worth is $1.2 billion.
Do you really think the team cares about what we think about a player?
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Sure.
Otherwise why would they put them out there for all these charity events? Also, why does the team punish players for bad off-field behavior? Every player is a representative of this for-profit organization. The more the public likes a player, the more money they spend.
As long as CJ is on the team why would the public dislike him?
When he steps on the field this year, I’ll cheer for him, even though I disagree with his holdout antics.
Irony at its best: "However, right now, all I see is a lot of fingers getting pointed without any facts."- BBS (on Marvin Harrison)
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jun 21, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Me too.
There aren’t many players who I would refuse to cheer for. That doesn’t mean I like them, but I don’t want him to completely fail like…say….Ray Lewis or Shawne Merriman.
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Ray-Ray is the epitome of the type I could never root for. Ugh. I recall rooting for that vile team when they were playing against undefeated NE that year. I felt so dirty afterwards. >:(
You feel dirty!!!!
I bought a Colts teddy bear for a friend birthday
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by SouthTexasTitan on Jun 21, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Unless she is hot
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by gramsey712 on Jun 21, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd for truth
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by T--Rac's Posse on Jun 21, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Women will make you do strange things
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by SouthTexasTitan on Jun 21, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Such as kick it with a Colt fan?
Official MCM Hater!
"If anyone asks you, you fixed my television. Now go!"
it was a trap i met her
by the time i found out she liked the colts it was too late……..TITANS NEED TO BEAT EM ALREADY IM TIRED OF PAYING FOR DINNERS!
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by SouthTexasTitan on Jun 21, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
with my cooking she'll end up trying to marry me
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by SouthTexasTitan on Jun 21, 2010 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
nope its rather effective
I have a prescription from Don
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by SouthTexasTitan on Jun 21, 2010 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Roofio Roofio Roofiooooooo
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by DonFrancisco on Jun 22, 2010 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Congrats to you STT.
It takes a big man to own up to buying a Colts teddy bear … even for a hottie. lol With any luck, maybe we can beat them twice this year and get you off the hook for those dinners.
Haha fingers crossed
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by SouthTexasTitan on Jun 22, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, there are players I simply refuse to root for based on their off-field behavior regardless of if they play for the Titans or not.
So we agree then.
I also refuse to root for players based on off-field behaviour. Ie. Roethlisberger. However, CJ’s holdout is an annoying distraction and not a rape or drug charge.
Irony at its best: "However, right now, all I see is a lot of fingers getting pointed without any facts."- BBS (on Marvin Harrison)
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Jun 21, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Every Team Cares
about what we think about the team! No fans No team.
by datboybevans on Jun 22, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
The problem is the exact one that we're dealing with now, and the one the Texans have had to deal with Andre Johnson.
In theory, this is a great idea. I mean if all this operated in a vacuum without greed and egos, it’d be wonderful. But, under your scenario, Bud Adams would basically pay the guy a $30 mm check today, and then he’d play for around $750k or so a year for the next five years.
The problem is that the minute you cut that check, you lose all leverage. No longer is the the guy incentivised by money. He can be the worst back in the league, and it’s of no monetary consequence to him. With CJ’s ego, I think that’s unlikely, but the risk still does exist. Problem two is injury. Problem three is what is going to stop him from holding out in year three? The same exact problem comes up again in two or three years when he looks up and says, hey, I’m one of the lowest salaried RB’s in the league.
RE: holding out again due to low salary…
That’s why I mentioned reworking the contract after a new CBA so that his annual salary is comparable to those of his peers (and him giving back the guaranteed money).
The injury thing goes both ways.
As for playing incentive… if CJ has the year he did last year and doesn’t get rewarded, then why should ANY player put forth greater effort in a non-contract year? Why should Britt do anything this year? Young needs to perform since his contract could be up… but most of the rest (under contract for more than 2 years) can sit on their asses and collect paychecks. (Of course, unless their contracts have performance-based escalators in them.)
oh i dont know
personal pride, professionalism, the honoring of the contract they signed…
while reality doesnt match up with this 100% of the time, these players are paid very handsomely for their services and are paid the year of their services for those services rendered. CJ2K is paid according to the contract he signed to play as best as he could, which ended up being 2,006 yards rushing etc., etc.
then why should ANY player put forth greater effort in a non-contract year? Why should Britt do anything this year?
This is a flawed argument. While future contracts are part of the motivation, sometimes a MAJOR part, there is also the motivation of earning the money you agreed to take and for the sake of being great at what you do.
If I am a young hotshot lawyer who with a few high profile cases catapult into one of the top lawyers in the world, I’m not pursuing that just so I can then get paid by a big law firm accordingly. I do it because I want to be the best lawyer.
The money, as I believe is true in CJs case, is more for affirmation for the status one has achieved than for the sake of financial security. That’s why players should and do play hard in non-contract years in every sport, not just the NFL.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Jun 21, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
People act like this is something new to the NFL.
This is the same stuff that has always happened in this league, if a player outplays his contract then he requests a new one. Look how long it’s been since Titans have even had a player that was worth what he is asking anyway? Before CJ got here VY was the main offensive threat on our roster and now everyone wants to complain because he wants to get paid. Stuff doesn’t even make since.
If you asked someone that didn’t know much about the Titans to name 3 guys on the offense I can pretty well guarantee that they will list VY,CJ, and maybe Kenny Britt because he was a 1st round pick. That’s the hard truth! People should realize that CJ is one of the main faces of this franchise right now as far as offense goes.
Think of how many people became Titans fans just because of CJ so that’s a crap load of extra money coming to the team just because of CJ. If not for him were would all of his fan base money be going?
by datboybevans on Jun 22, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
The owners have the rest of their lives to “win” (whether that is a championship or simply to earn $$$). Players have 3-10 years (some players go 20 [Favre, punters/kickers]). Their chances to “win” are much smaller than for the owners.
The owners, btw, must already be successful to be even at the table as owning a team isn’t cheap. However, -and please correct me if I’m wrong - all NFL teams are profitable just by being in the league (TV rights distribution, etc). The Jags are just not meeting their potential, not losing money. [again, I don’t know this for a fact, but I haven’t read/heard otherwise]
Anyone see that Ravens vs Titans games when....
Ed Reed and Ray Lewis both tried to hurt CJ on purpose just because they knew they were going to lose if he continued to play? It was the playoffs year before last. That’s the reason he wants a new contract and guaranteed money, because those players that know they can’t stop him are only going to try and hurt him!
note im for giving him so more money
but look at it from the business side would you want to give someone millions when the chances of them getting increase even more because defensive coordinators put a hit out on CJ like that.
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by SouthTexasTitan on Jun 21, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
But this is where...
…setting a positive example comes in. Dude goes off, gets rewarded by management. It’s just another incentive. Fish is loyal to his vets, with play time and roster spots. So he already gives incentives for strong play.
But some players (in this situation, CJ) are motivated by the status of being the top-paid player. He’s flashy – as shown by the teeth and constant use of a twitter account – so that’s just another way for him to prove to others he’s the best.
Even when the team was being blown out by the Pats, CJ was out there trying to break tackles, not just going down. He has the warrior instinct – but he also wants to get paid.
From a strictly business side, then the Front Office should trade CJ now while his value is highest (young, #1 RB in league). I hate this idea, but it also won’t work ‘cause there aren’t many teams that use one RB as a primary weapon (most use 2 or 3 backs to share the load). So the Titans couldn’t really get anything worth a damn in the trade besides picks. And what could they hope for in the draft? A young, explosive offensive weapon? Oh wait, they have that now in CJ. Why roll the dice?
From the Team View No, But For CJ yes
He just broke all the records and 2 pro bowls in 2 years on a nobodies salary so he deserves his big pay day.
He has been doing P90x with me
I bring all the tainted supplements.
I’m an early bird and a night owl. So I’m wise and I have worms.
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by DonFrancisco on Jun 22, 2010 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions
i've been hear about p90x
does it work?
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by SouthTexasTitan on Jun 22, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
its a good workout that you can do from home with a minimal amount of equipment
a couple of the workouts are not good, but in general your work your behind off for about an hour. So its does work, but so do a lot of workouts if you do them for an hour.
I’m an early bird and a night owl. So I’m wise and I have worms.
BOOM! You've been pharmacisted!
by DonFrancisco on Jun 22, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
yea i've just been going to the gym
but i’ve been looking for something with good cardio
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by SouthTexasTitan on Jun 22, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
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