Tennessee Titans Morning Links: Return Savior Returning Edition
by August West on May 24, 2010 10:04 AM CDT
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Best link of the day: Football Outsiders scribe J.J. Halsell shows how teams like the 49ers are circumventing the 30% rule, and how it lays the groundwork for an extension for CJ2K. After setting the market by using the extensions of MJD and Steven Jackson as the benchmark, Halsell comes up with a two-year extension that gives CJ2K $19 million in new money with $11 million in guarantees. Don't think for a second that this, or something similar, hasn't made the rounds in the Titans front office over the past few months. Doesn't mean they are going to do anything like this, but they for sure know who they'd need to go about it. Mark Jones was supposed to be the savior of the return game last year, but instead he suffered through preseason mistakes, regular season injuries and an an eventual trip to the IR wasteland. Over the offseason he's worked hard to continue rehabbing the hamstring, then had an operation on his neck to clean-up a disk in his neck. He's been sidelined so far during camp due to a combination of rehab and a lack of opportunity. As I stated late last week, I'm still hoping he can be the dedicated return specialist because he brings the best combination of upside and NFL experience.
Bo Scaife is expected to end his holdout by showing up for the mini camp that starts tomorrow. No such news on Tully and CJ2K.
More links through the jump...
Boclair looks at the unique attributes of VY (he's VY), Simms (lefty) and KC (concrete boots), and how they present various challenges for the coaches and players.
SI's John P. Lopez says that how the holdouts of Chris Johnson and Andre Johnson play out will have repercussions throughout the league, both in terms of this year's other houldouts and the upcoming CBA re-negotiations.
New RB coach Kennedy Pola is the subject of this profile from John Glennon (Glennon, who has been covering the Preds, looks to be taking Estwick's place). He's enjoying the challenge of preparing Ringer, while seeing what LeGarrette Blount (once he finally makes it to camp) and the other undrafted free agents can add to the team.
Blount and Verner are both finishing out classes back at college (the Pac-10 schools run on the quarter system), and they're hoping the time away doesn't hurttheir chances of contributing this year.
Boclair weighs in on VY's agent swap from a few weeks ago, and agrees with others that the move is a sign of a growing maturity and seriousness on Young's part.
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by "beast" I assume you mean "adequate", right?
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by T--Rac's Posse on May 24, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Ya I don't think Jones will be a star returner for us
He may be the best option for the team right now, but it wouldn’t surprise me to see a rookie like Damian Williams take over the role by mid-season after he gets some playing time under his belt.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 24, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think so either.
He may be the best option for the team right now, but it wouldn’t surprise me to see a rookie like Damian Williams take over the role by mid-season
I agree with this. He might even take over much sooner, or even start the season returning .. given Jones’ history of injury. That, and he may show that he’s just too good at it not start.
It's really strange that Glennon's writing about the Titans.
He;s stated more than once that he hates them.
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by Aditya T (smashville) on May 24, 2010 11:09 AM CDT reply actions
You know what makes hate go away?
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tell that to Notorius B.I.G.
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by DonFrancisco on May 24, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
would work for me though
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by DonFrancisco on May 24, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, in the words of Paul McCartney & John Lennon.....
money can’t buy me love…:-)
by titansfan4ever on May 25, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
wait so after everyone getting on rolles case for missing camp to finish classes (which he didnt, and i mean the media not MCM), now the polar opposite of rolle is doing it? thats kinda funny
What's funny is that he's doing it and no one cares.
And oh by the way, he’s an UDFA, meaning he was already a huge longshot to make the team in any event.
Well. The whole thing was stupid because it happens every year in accordance with League rules, but still…
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Alright, so I just read that FO article on CJ's contract.
Two things:
1. Contracts are not guaranteed. Clubs can and do terminate them early, which is obviously NOT in accordance with typical contract terms and probably makes this holdout a legitimate tactic. I hadn’t really thought of that before, but it makes sense. It also makes the rookie contract a little harder to understand. The Titans’ Downside on this deal was always strictly limited, so why on earth would you leave them the Upside as well?
2. One of the posters brings up BATNA, best alternative to a negotiated settlement (which I’ll admit I had to look up). So, if you’re CJ, what can you do besides play for your current team at your current contract? Or, to put it another way, what’s your alternative if the Titans say, “No deal”? He doesn’t really have any options, does he? I think at this point, his best chance is to play another year AND THEN hold out if necessary.
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Well.
1. Contracts are as guaranteed as the club and player are willing to make them. Players like the upside they get on non-guaranteed deals and clubs like the flexibility they get. KVB’s recently-expired 4 year extension had his base salaries guaranteed for the first 3 years. That’s quite a commitment to a player who had ACL surgeries on both knees, and he probably gave up some signing bonus and potentially higher guaranteed salary to get it. Most players aren’t willing to do that.
2. He can hold out, or he can hold out. Maybe hold out and ask for a trade, if he doesn’t want to just hold out. Alternatively, act like Bad T.O.-question your QB’s sexuality, be a prima donna, draw attention to yourself, have a reality show, and generally be a pain in the butt.
he signed an upfront deal that guaranteed him 7 million dollars.
he did receive 7 mil guaranteed dollars. Is he underpaid compared to most of the players in the NFL ? Of course, but he did the deal, he knew what he was signing on to. I don’t know about you, but I think that is a huge pile of money. Now lets say that he gets 4mil after taxes and puts that into a very conservative investment at 3% interest a year which is plausible. .He could make $120,000 a year alone on that. I truly hope he would not sustain a career ending injury, but if so most americans could easily live on the interest of 120 grand alone. I would not mind a $10,000 a month income. . He is easily going to make a whole lot more money in the future, but for now he should just be happy where he is at and go to practice.
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If there was no salary cap, I would agree with you...
but when there are artificial limits placed on your earning potential, and the contracts are so steeply tilted in ownership’s favor, I have to say that I respect CJ’s decision to do what it takes to get his, particularly given the injury potential and typical career length for his position.
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He could make $120,000 a year alone on that. I truly hope he would not sustain a career ending injury, but if so most americans could easily live on the interest of 120 grand alone. I would not mind a $10,000 a month income.
What you could “easily live on” has no relevance. I don’t want this to digress into a different conversation, but that’s a fundamental difference between socialism and capitalism.
CJ is egregiously underpaid. MJD will make $4.4 mm. That is to say that Chris Johnson is making 11% of what Maurice Jones-Drew will make in 2010. We’re not talking about a few percentage points. It’s not like someone here quibbling over of 3% raise when they deserved 4%. I can make an argument that Chris Johnson should be paid ten times what he will make next year. When the gap is that wide, you’ve got to meet in the middle somewhere, especially for a once in a lifetime player like CJ…
by SuperHorn on May 24, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I said most americans could easily live on that alone each year. The bottom line is
he signed a contract at the beginning of his career worth x amount of dollars. Even though he has played beyond what 95% of NFL players do he is locked into a contract. He will make a fortune in the future, there is no doubt about that, but why can’t he be happy with where he is now ? He can make money other ways for now, it doesn’t need to be exclusively through the NFL, he can earn a lot from endorsements. I would venture to guess that Tiger Woods made more money pitching products than actually playing golf. Is Chris Johnson a once in a lifetime player, possibly, or maybe he just had an unbeleivable year. He had an incredible year to be sure, but that isn’t necessarily sustainable, so to go ahead and fork over 20 or 30 million now is just not very prudent. IF he has another year like this, then I would say yes do the deal, but for now. No way.
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To be fair, when you said:
He will make a fortune in the future, there is no doubt about that
That is what he is trying to do now. The lifespan of a running back is short. Hypothetically, if the Titans were to not give him a new deal and let him play out his 5 year contract (which is unlikely but will have to do in this example), he may in fact not make a “fortune” in the future.
He would hit the open market as a 27 year old running back but with a ton of mileage, considering its likely that he will average around 300 carries per year (he’s averaged 304 after his 2000 yard season and time-sharing rookie season). 1500 carries when he hits free agency is more carries than Larry Johnson has in his entire career (and yes I realize that Johnson has suffered through injuries, but injuries would be even worse to CJ’s career than his carry total). Would a team be willing to shell out big money for a 27 year old back who’s got a ton of mileage? I’m honestly not sure. Maybe someone would give him a monster deal, but I’d think that he’d get a fairly modest three year deal.
CJ is trying to capitalize on what may be the most productive time in his career and rightfully so.
But I still don’t think (or want) the Titans to give him a new deal for at least another year.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 24, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
CJ is is no way close to being as marketable as Tiger.
Not even close. He has dreads, has a gold grill, and his grasp of the English language is suspect at best (of course this didn’t stop VY).
And the argument of comparing these guys to normal everyday people is so tired. These guys’ abilities and skills demand big bucks because they can do what less than a percentage of 1% of the people in the world can do. They should get paid what they’re worth. Comparing them to “most Americans” isn’t realistic because most Americans can’t come anywhere close to what these guys can do.
Average lifespan of an NFL career is something like 3.5 years. CJ’s already 2 years into that statistic. These guys need to grab as much as they can while they can because one blown knee and it’s all over. It’s not like the Titans or the NFL give a squirt about these guys once they can’t perform. After all it’s all business in the end.
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That’s exactly why the Titans are going to expect him to honor his contract and not going to pay him.
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If he survives this year, I expect he'll get his paycheck.
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The reason he's not as marketable as tiger is....
cause of his car….did you see that aweful looking thing?
by titansfan4ever on May 25, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
CJ isn't messing around with ANYONES significant other/ family
When a man’s car is more important than how he plays the game; the game is already flawed!
Nobody cares anymore about winning! “As long as it looks good = its ok!”
NO ITS NOT! People need to either grow up or wake up…..Looks are only in the eye of the beholder. Who cares what CJ2K’s hair looks like, or his car, or his house.
As long as he is not getting arrested and production is sky high, he should be marketed like the king that he is!!! Keep the doubt up and we might end up having to trade him like Marshall!
by titanwarrior1 on May 25, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Calling $7M a "huge pile of money" is a relative thing.
Yes, for me personally $7M would be a huge pile. For the fine folks at Disney, $7M is a rounding error on the marketing budget for the last month prior to the release of Iron Man 2.
For CJ $7M is a lot, but then again, what’s he gonna do after he leaves football? Bottom line, he has about 5-7 years to earn all of the money he’s pretty much ever going to earn. So yeah, $7M is a lot, but it’s not HUGE, and in fact, it wouldn’t even be HUGE for an average guy with decent long-term job prospects.
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I'm pretty sure that that math wouldn't hold up in the real world over time.
Not to mention: $120K? CJ isn’t putting himself through all of this so he can live like a middle manager at the neighborhood Wal-Mart Distribution Center.
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so when do classes end for DeeBo
REAL SOVIET DAMAGE!!!!!
by SouthTexasTitan on May 24, 2010 7:39 PM CDT reply actions
as much as it sucks when you are a fan
i have no problem when someone holds out for a better deal. nfl owners are ruthless as hell in their treatment of players, so these guys have to look out for themselves. nfl owners openly exploit the players in ways that are considered unthinkable in every other pro-sports league. the only thing a player can do to to secure his and his dependents’ long term financial future is often to hold out for a guaranteed money mega-deal. so if that’s the only tool the owners will allow the players to have, you can’t blame them for using it.
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