Tennessee Titans Morning Links: Sudden Death Is Neither Sudden Or Death. Discuss. Edition
by August West on Mar 22, 2010 8:50 AM CDT
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Jeff Fisher has come out as one of the more vocal advocates of changing the current overtime format for the playoffs (no changes to the regular season format):"What we don’t want to have happen in the playoffs is a kickoff return, and then a penalty and a field goal, and have the game be over," Fisher said. "What we’re proposing has sudden-death qualities throughout it, even at the beginning. … Bottom line is that each team will have an opportunity to possess — doesn’t guarantee a possession."
Fisher also took some time to speak with Boston Media members, to whom he expressed disappointment that we couldn't keep Alge. Paul K brought the rhetorical wood in his chat when a Titans PSL holder popped-off about the teams lack of free agency splash:[ED: formatting condensed for space] Paul Kuharsky: Good options are available? OK, I’ll bite. Please give me a couple names. They got a veteran corner, linebacker and, if the Eagles don’t match, defensive end. That’s not bad for a team looking to build through the draft. They’ve got experienced insurance or depth, and can now go get kids with upside. Who is it you want that’s available right now? How many FAs did Colts and Saints add last season before they went to the Super Bowl?As for Kerry Collins’ money -- he doesn’t get a new dime until the first week of the season. (And it’s $5.5 M left not $7.5.) So with no second quarterback in play, wouldn’t it be irresponsible to make a move now?
David Boclair reports from the Vanderbilt Pro Day, which was headlined by CB Myron Lewis and OT Thomas Welch. Several other players on the perifiry of draft boards included S Ryan Hamilton and DEs Broderick Stewart and Steven Stone. Football Outsiders reviewed the 2006 2004 draft, and listed Ben Troupe as one of the biggest busts. Troupe followed his lackluster stay with the Titans by doing even less at Tampa and Oakland, so you can't just say it was the Titans' coaches fault. I'm linking this just because it's nice to see someone else point out what I've been saying since 2006 - Pac didn't just wash out of the NFL because of his behavior. He washed out because the man is a terrible CB who got killed on every double move he ever saw:5. Pacman Jones is in the news again? Are you serious? Why would any team want to meet with him? At some point, someone needs to tell me what tape to watch of Jones covering a wide receiver. Why waste the money?
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I'm so glad Fisher is worried about...
what happens in overtime, in the PLAYOFFS (cue Mora tape now)…..Hey Coach!!!…..lets focus on getting to the playoffs first, OK? And then…we can focus on getting to overtime (and that’s only if we can’t win it in regulation). And BTW, I gotta admit, the words “with no second quaterback in play” are very disturbing to me….so I think we need to do something about that….AND FAST!!!!
well
we were the no.1 seed in the playoffs two years ago and were a game or two away last year. we’ve made the playoffs 2 our the past 4 years and were a total of 3 games out of getting there the other two years combined.
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Close only counts...
I’m an early bird and a night owl. So I’m wise and I have worms.
by DonFrancisco on Mar 22, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
So what do you think we should do about...
this no back-up QB in place?
by titansfan4ever on Mar 22, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
it's kerry this year
and the we either use a late rounder on a project, or pick up a free agent and start working on him. what PK was saying was they wouldn’t cut kerry with out another #2 in place.
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he's still under contract
Most years I’d like someone cheaper, but with no cap I don’t really care.
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by August West on Mar 22, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
he's on the competition comittee dude
it’s what he is supposed to do.
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^^^^
what he said
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by August West on Mar 22, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Yup
It’s another hat he’s supposed to wear, have no problems with him wearing it.
by numbertenox on Mar 22, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
He acts like he's important once a year
so Bud keeps him around.
by I'm a black belt in karate, HI HI! on Mar 22, 2010 10:38 AM CDT reply actions
You make the pick, gramsey....
we trust you :-)
by titansfan4ever on Mar 22, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
:-*
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by T--Rac's Posse on Mar 22, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
trust gramsey
but always sleep with one eye open
There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Chris Johnson lives in Florida.
by SouthTexasTitan on Mar 22, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I finished up with that pick
There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Chris Johnson lives in Florida.
by SouthTexasTitan on Mar 22, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
?
There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Chris Johnson lives in Florida.
by SouthTexasTitan on Mar 22, 2010 1:35 PM CDT reply actions
thanks for the catch
I corrected it.
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They got a veteran corner, linebacker and, if the Eagles don’t match, defensive end. That’s not bad for a team looking to build through the draft...
Sigh.
Yeah, I know: noone is ever available in Free Agency or via trade; and even if they are available, Free Agency isn’t how you build a team, and the trades are too costly. Plus, the Free Agents are all too expensive, no matter who they are. Lather, rinse, repeat……
Meanwhile, the team is “looking to build through the draft” (I guess that’s opposed to those mythical teams NOT looking to build through the draft?). I suppose you shouldn’t have traded that #2 away, then, for a third-round pick……..
Look, Paul K, I have no probalem building through the Draft – that’s pretty much how every team gets built. It’s the Free Agent celibacy that bothers me, that and the idea that you try and sell a Free Agency peck and maybe even a full smooch as definitive proof the organization isn’t practicing abstinence.
It still boggles my mind that the idea of signing or acquiring ONE player – ONE PLAYER – through Free Agency or via trade who will undoubtedly be an upgrade at a given position over the previous season is such an unreasonable expectation. Most of the time, it even gets shouted down by the Paul K types. I will never understand this.
Stop pretending there are teams not looking to get better through the draft. These teams do not exist. Also, stop pretending that there’s never ever EVER EVER EVER anyone available via Free Agency or trade who would make the team better. It’s simply not the case. Finally, stop pretending fans are being unreasonable in expecting their team to at least bring-in one player via Free Agency or trade who will ensure that one position will definitely be improved over last season. It’s not unreasonable, dammit, it IS possible, and it doesn’t mean that every fan asking such wants Bud Adams to be Dan Snyder.
Grrr……………
Anyhow, as far as OT goes, I always liked the idea of just having an extra period instead of sudden death (not the full 15 minutes, though). In the regular season, you could still have a tie, but just keep playing extra periods in the postseason until there is a winner.
"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez
"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."
by The Jade Scorpion on Mar 22, 2010 4:25 PM CDT reply actions
Stop pretending there are teams not looking to get better through the draft. These teams do not exist. Also, stop pretending that there’s never ever EVER EVER EVER anyone available via Free Agency or trade who would make the team better
why don’t you stop pretending we never sign any FA’s then?
good teams build their core in the draft, then use FA to add the finishing touches when the time is right. well, the time ain’t right for this team at this moment. the defense is in rebuilding mode, i don’t think that’s a secret. so over paying a glamorous guy for a couple good years tops right now is the wrong way to go, because all that money will be wasted on a team that isn’t going to be super bowl caliber anyway. top level free agents always get over payed, usually by a lot, like 80 mil for nate clements a couple years ago. they also have always have minimum 5-6 years already in the league, meaning you are getting the tail end of their prime at best. sexy, blockbuster free agent signings don’t win championships.
who would you have wanted us to over pay for this year?
building a team for a superbowl window is a very delicate thing, especially with an owner on the cheap side of the spectrum.
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LIke I pointed out a few weeks ago
8 of the 22 starters on the 2008 team that went 13-3 were free agents. That’s a healthy portion, IMO.
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Well that's definitely a reason....
…we should avoid Free Agency this year.
"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez
"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."
by The Jade Scorpion on Mar 22, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
You pretty much proved every one of my points in that post.
"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez
"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."
by The Jade Scorpion on Mar 22, 2010 4:58 PM CDT reply actions
I wouldn't have wanted to OVERPAY anyone.
Question answered. Although inherent in that question is exactly the lather, rinse, repeat cycle mentality I spoke of in my post.
I would have liked to see enter and win one of the trade talks (Boldin, Marshall, Cromartie,
As far as Free Agents: Robinson, Bodden (DBs), Dansby.
Now answer my question: is it your contention that the Titans would not be able to find one player at one position in the whole of Free Agency or the trade market who could be a definitive upgrade at any starting position on this roster? Or it is your contention that they simply shouldn’t bother?
"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez
"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."
by The Jade Scorpion on Mar 22, 2010 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
They signed Witherspoon and Rod Hood
Name one free agent who hasn’t gotten overpayed the Titans missed out on. Dansby got way overpayed and doesn’t fit our defensive system anyways. You say you agree with the philosophy then bitch about it being “Rinse, wash, and repeat”.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Mar 22, 2010 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
seriously
robinson got a $57 mil contract with 23 guaranteed. insanely overpaid.
dansby plays 3-4. duh.
bodden took a discount to play in NE because players who want to win do that sometimes. but hey, lets whine about a player who was never a possibility in the first place.
boldin is over the hill and cost 2 draft picks plus $28 million, and hasn’t played a full season since 2003.
marshall is TO with a violent-toward-women streak. talented, prone to drops, and a diva. and he will cost a 1st rounder + a huge diva contract. and he’s used to seeing 150 passes his way per season, and still wasn’t happy. but yeah, let’s compete with cincinatti and seattle, two wonderful role model franchises for him. fantastic idea.
cromartie got traded BECAUSE HIS CURRENT TEAM DIDN’T WANT HIM because his play had slipped so far. always a good sign. he’s also making a run at travis henry’s baby-momma record. awesome.
so in the real world, you had exactly zero good ideas. you love to bitch and moan, but you never offer anything better.
The Dual Threat, Official Enforcer/Stat Geek of MCM.
And yet......
You have once again proven my points. Every single one of them.
Your inability to name a single player in Free Agency or via trade that would improve a single starting potion on this team inadvertantly answers the question you refused to directly answer after demanding a direct answer to yours.
You’re real good at shouting down ideas, but you offer none.
Tell me, what moves would you make this offseason that would field an improved team over 2009?
"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez
"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."
by The Jade Scorpion on Mar 22, 2010 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions
i missed your question
too eager show you how idiotic you are.
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oh as for your (stupid) question
babin and witherspoon are both good pickups. i think hood is a bum, but maybe with more time in the system he will prove otherwise. i also know that we have a TON of drafts picks this year, so we will probably lean more heavily in that direction this year because it’s the smart thing to do. i know that the regular season is a long way away, and there is plenty of time to wait and see who shakes out once the roster cuts approach.
of course there are available upgrades, but this isn’t madden w/ no salary cap. you don’t just say “hey, he’s an upgrade, done deal”. you have to find VALUE. in other words, you look for someone who costs less than their performance is worth. that’s what good teams do. they don’t sit in an arm chair and pick a team based upon who they see on sportscenter the most.
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So for the record...
you can name no moves this offseason that would field an improved starting roster over 2009 that do not involve the draft?
As for value Free Agents, “someone who costs less than their performance is worth,”
tell me, hal, who would you underpay for this year?
"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez
"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."
by The Jade Scorpion on Mar 22, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Chris Johnson lives in Florida.
by SouthTexasTitan on Mar 22, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry....
don’t mean to punch a hole in the echo chamber.
Oh wait, yes I do………
"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez
"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."
by The Jade Scorpion on Mar 22, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
you get that email?
There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Chris Johnson lives in Florida.
by SouthTexasTitan on Mar 22, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm, nice one!
We have facepalm and headdesk, what other similar meme could we invent? How about heavenstare?
As for me, yes, I do get tired of the Titans being so boring during FA most seasons, no I do not want us to pay silly money for a silly player, yes headliner FAs almost always get overpaid, and yes at this point we know which FAs from previous seasons were worth anywhere close to their payday because that’s how time flows forward to point A to point B so people at point B can see how right or wrong the poor hapless folks at point A were and yes I’m ready for draft time.
As for me, yes, I do get tired of the Titans being so boring during FA most seasons...
….that’s kind of my point.
I still don’t understand why one single upgrade over 2009 at one single starting position anywhere on the roster via Free Agency or trade is such an unreasonable request.
Apparently it is……….
"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez
"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."
by The Jade Scorpion on Mar 22, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think many teams ever upgrade during FA
I’m assuming by upgrade we mean displace or replace a starter, where the FA proves to play much better than that starter they replaced the following year.
It’d be kind of fun to look at this for past years. My guess would be that 25% or fewer of all the teams “upgrade” successfully during FA given the definition above. Even throwing salary out of the picture completely.
What wears on me a bit isn’t just their tendency to turtle during FA, but also they just rarely make any kind of exciting moves other than making their allotted draft choices. My jaw dropped open when they stepped out of the normal pace of events to get Cook last year. But on the other hand, no drama is often a good thing.
Not happy with this offseason either, but I’ll probably be all pumped and optimistic again after the draft. I hope.
so for the record
im not here to make your argument for you. you are the one slobbing all over the free agency knob. not me. you want to find some good free agents? learn to use google. hopefully you will come up with something better than that completely moronic list of 6 you gave earlier. (notice you never argued with anything i said when i shot them all down). if you are going to get your panties all wet and twisted over not signing every free agent you have heard talked about on espn, then YOU, not me, are the one who should come up with good (not retarded) examples of why your opinion is worth more than the turd i just cut.
i’ve already stated i’m more than happy to use our wealth of drafts picks in one of the deepest nfl drafts in history to help rebuild the defense with youth. we have a QB in progress, a ridiculously amazing young RB, and a stud-in-training @ WR. so yes, i think the right move is to focus on reloading the defense from the ground up, since there are clearly no quick fixes for the barren hellscape that is our defensive roster. better to be patient and rebuild the right way than to piss away huge dollars on someone who will be washed up in 3 years when our young guys will be hitting their peaks.
when the titans talked about in connection with other FA’s or trades i will research them and evaluate accordingly. so far this year, we have 2 nice value additions, and 1 guy who i personally think sucks, but hopefully will prove me wrong. add those 3 plus another FA here or there with a hopefully strong draft class (reinfeldt is 2 for 2 in that dept.) and this team will be well on their way to being contenders again.
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How about
Lito Sheppard? He’s still not been picked up that I’ve heard, nobody loves him (probably for some reasons). Whatever those reasons are, he’s still got seven years experience and two pro bowls in his belt and is probably a bargain at this point. Say Hood > Harper. OK, but shouldn’t we have three experienced CBs instead of two, so that if one of them gets hurt we aren’t forced to start one of the newbies who apparently are not ready?
From the Titans refusal to sign experienced depth at CB, after the disaster last year with depth at the position, I can only conclude that either
1) They think one of the rookies is going to be the shiznit this year
2) They are positive neither Finnegan nor Hood will be hurt
3) They are sure they are gonna draft a starter caliber CB this time around at bat
4) They are on drugs
I fear 4.
by numbertenox on Mar 23, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions
#1 is what im hoping for
2) is a problem because hood is a bum
3) is pretty crazy unless they think kyle wilson can be that guy, because he’s the only highly regarded CB that is likely to still be there at #16
4) is a definite possibility, and has a strong correlation to #2.
lito sheppard is a dirty gator. besides that, this tagline from rotoworld about his release from the jets doesn’t make me feel all happy inside about him:
The same criticisms that dogged Sheppard late in his Eagles career (durability, blown coverages) remained the same as an attempted press corner in the Jets’ scheme. If defensive mastermind Rex Ryan couldn’t turn Sheppard into an even league-average cover man, we doubt anyone can. Lito may have to settle for a sub-$1 million, one-year deal on the open market.
granted he would not simply be a press corner, as we play lots of zone, but still.
The Dual Threat, Official Enforcer/Stat Geek of MCM.
Sheppard
Has a number of issues trailing him, no doubt. He got torched by Manning in the playoff game and was benched (the guy they replaced him with got torched pretty well too, though). But, he’s better than Harper was and he should be cheap at this point. He just got given the pass by Detroit for criminy’s sakes. We could probably sign him for hundreds of thousands on a one year deal and add some decent depth.
If you rank CBs who played a good number of snaps last year purely by the percentage of passes completed against them when thrown at, Lito actually comes out pretty good. He’s fifth or sixth on that list. He’s not so good against the run and he draws a number of penalties (not as many as Finnegan though).
Yes, damaged goods and a dirty gator ;-), but I really don’t understand why they don’t get some experienced depth for a reasonable price after the fiasco at CB that occurred last year.
The only thing I can figure is that even though he’d be cheap, he’s a roster spot. They think one of the second year guys is better option, and they don’t plan to cut either of them.
by numbertenox on Mar 23, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Rod Hood...
Was a free agent this off season, we signed him, he is certainly an upgrade to Nick Harper.
Don't think so
We picked him up well after the season had started because we were depleted at CB. We SHOULD have grabbed an experienced CB during last year’s FA, but that’s spilled milk. Spilled milk they are in the process of spilling again, although with a year of coaching behind the two rookies it’s a lesser gaff this year than it was last. If I ran an NFL team, I’d keep 4,325 CBs on the roster. I hates bad pass defense. hates. The opposing QB should complete two passes a game, at most.
by numbertenox on Mar 22, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh sorry
I was being thick. I don’t really count signing a guy you had on the roster already a FA move, but it is a decent offseason move. I’m not sure Hood’s that great, but I agree it’s better than keeping Harper.
by numbertenox on Mar 22, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
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