2010 MCM Mock Draft - Pick #1
by gramsey712 on Mar 11, 2010 3:34 PM CST
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With the first pick of the 2010 MCM Mock Draft, the St. Louis Rams (represented by gotitans27) choose:
Sam Bradford, QB, University of Oklahoma
(Picture added cause SuperHorn loves those uniforms)
From gotitans27:
This was a tough choice between a QB or Suh. I think Suh is going to be an unbelievable and it would be hard to pass him up, but the Rams need a QB desperately. If you need proof, watch the film of the Titans game with the Rams near the end of the season. The Rams need to start over at this position and give some help to Steven Jackson. I think Bradford will be able to come in and be a starter by the middle of the season. This team has a huge amount of holes to fill, but the QB position has to be priority number one!
Now on the clock: Michaeltastic and the Detroit Lions.
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should either pick suh or trade down. granted, that means this pick is probably accurate.
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Trade down? No way. They need a franchise QB, so any pick other than Bradford or Clausen ( I prefer Clausen personally) is insanity.
by CanuckTitan27 on Mar 11, 2010 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
but they could trade down to the 4th or 5th pick, still get a QB and pick up some more picks in the process
I’d take Suh though
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Who are you suggesting they trade with? Spots 3 – 6 (bucs, skins, chiefs, seahawks) are all looking for new blood at QB, and with only 2 (maaayyyybbbeeee 3 if you count Pike) franchise Qbs in this draft, the rams miss out on the their best chance to lock up the most crucial position in football.
If the Rams are serious about turning their team around, they must take either Clausen or Bradford with the number 1 pick.
by CanuckTitan27 on Mar 11, 2010 7:12 PM CST up reply actions
I think the buc’s got there Franchise QB last year in that Josh Freeman kid.
by Charlie38104 on Mar 11, 2010 7:32 PM CST up reply actions
All right, if the choose to go with him, they have far, far more needs to address (DB, WR, OL off the top of my head) and have the pick of the draft at number 3.
by CanuckTitan27 on Mar 11, 2010 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
the chiefs won't go qb
they gave castle a boatload of money
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by Jimmy on Mar 11, 2010 8:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Don't worry
The Rams have the chance to draft 1st every year.
by joshuaboone on Mar 12, 2010 12:36 AM CST up reply actions
wow
a) bradford is a spread qb coming off an injury to his throwing shoulder. please list all of the successful NFL qbs who played spread in college.
b) jimmy clausen never did jack shit against any team that was worth anything. he may be one of the most overrated players in the history of college football. he’s so overrated, even brady quinn thinks he is overrated.
there isn’t a single qb in this draft i would burn a top 5 pick on, maybe not even a top 10. using that pick on a qb is going to cost the rams around $45 mil in guaranteed money on a 50-50 shot that the guy will ever become a quality nfl starter. beyond that, there is about a 2-3% chance either of those guys justifies getting that huge contract. eli manning signed the richest qb contract in the league last year and it only had $35 mil guaranteed.
suh will cost them less money, and he is a 95% lock to be an impact player. you don’t stretch to draft for need with the #1 overall pick. that’s just bad drafting. smart money takes the sure thing, slam dunk best player in the draft, and that’s clearly suh. or you trade down a few, get another pick (the rams have plenty of needs to draft for) and take a different slam dunk sure thing like eric berry at a position of less impact than d-line.
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I agree 100% on Suh and Clausen
Suh is a near lock to be an impact player and Clausen is destined to be a bust, but I have to disagree on Bradford. I have him as the 2nd best player in the draft. His shoulder is healthy and you can’t teach the kind of “super-accuracy” this guy has. He may not be able to contribute right away but given the time I have no doubt he has the mental capacity to learn a pro-style offense. I think he’s a Top-5 NFL QB in the making, and all this praise is coming from a Texas guy.
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All of that is probably true, but I think this is still a reasonable pick...
…in the sense that this is the kind of reasoning that teams use in the draft. I tend to agree that Suh is the better pick here because there aren’t any really great uninjured QBs, but still… this is not an unreasonable pick for St. Louis. Not at all.
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“please list all of the successful NFL qbs who played spread in college. "
Why don’t I do one better and list Tom Brady in 2007. The pats are just the most recent example of the spread transferring to the NFL and having success. He didn’t play a snap in the spread in college, and then went 16-0 using the spread in the NFL. It can work.
Now, I don’t want to be labelled as a Sam Bradford apologist. I personally wouldn’t trust my team on a kid with a terribad shoulder, but then again I’m not in the Rams front office. I haven’t been the one watching tape after tape of the kid, so I feel that is the Rams wish to spend their first overall on him, they have good reason.
“jimmy clausen never did jack shit against any team that was worth anything. he may be one of the most overrated players in the history of college football”
This is a gross overstatement, and is quite simply wrong in the purest sense. I won’t argue with you that ND loves to pad their scheduals, but what premier NCAA team doesn’t? Jimmy Clausen performs within a prof style offense and offers some pretty mindblowing stats if you take the time to look at them.
http://walterfootball.com/mattblog091229.php
This is a draft blog entry that sums up my argument pretty concisely. To sum up the link, here are some quick statistics
Jimmy Clausen’s Junior season
Pass Yds – 3722
YPA – 8.8 (Better than Peyton Manning’s JR year)
TDs – 28 (Better than Peyton, RIvers, and Rothlisberger’s JR year)
INT – 4 (This is by far the most important stat. To be successful in the NFL, you can’t turn the ball over)
Completion % – 68
Total QB rating – 161.4
These stats were with games against #6 USC, #12 PITT, Washingto (Who had beaten #19 CAL), and Michigan @ the big house. Now, don;t get me wrong, I’m not saying he played against the top teams every weak, but it’s not like he was throwing balls against hgihschool kids or anything.
Suh is a freakish athelte and an impact player from Day 1. You have no argument from me their. I would kill to have the wealth of players to choose from in this draft class.
I am simply of the opinion that the Rams cannot hope to progress as a franchise and continue rebuilding without a franchise quarterback to build their team around.
by CanuckTitan27 on Mar 12, 2010 7:54 AM CST up reply actions
college spread =/= pats spread
and remember, brady learned and played in pro-style first, learned to read defenses like you have to to be successful in the nfl first, and then they added the “spread lite” look once moss and welker made it possible.
usc was a mediocre pac-10 team this year, which is to say they sucked. that #6 attached was never accurate. even still, he played decently, no better.
michigan absolutely sucked.
if you look at his game log, he has fat juicy stats against “bottom 50” type programs, and he is average to good against what passes for tough competition on a ND schedule.
on a good day, clausen is maybe 1/10th the college qb peyton was.
clausen is the only prostyle qb, which is probably the main reason why he is so overrated. because so many of the qb’s don’t fit the prototype and nfl teams just really aren’t sold on spread qbs, nor should they be. same deal happened for stafford last year.
i know they need a qb, but a #1 pick bust will keep them on this same path of ugliness for years to come. when the money at stake is as out of control as it is right now in the draft, you MUST go with the sure thing.
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I cannot believe we have stooped to comparing
Jimmy Clausen to Peyton Manning.
We need football season quick.
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I thought it was pretty clear that I am not comparing Peyton Manning, star NFL QB and sure-fire hall of famer, to Jimmy Clausen.
by CanuckTitan27 on Mar 12, 2010 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
You were comparing Manning's college career to Clausen's
And that is just ridiculous man. Come on.
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Fire Jeff Fisher.
Based on numbers
Clausen had a better Junior year than Manning.
So did Matt Leinart.
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Based on numbers, yes
But you, of all people, should know that’s garbage.
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Fire Jeff Fisher.
That's why I included
So did Matt Leinart.
It’s obviously insane to say Clausen is as good of a prospect as Manning was. Honestly has there been a QB who has been since ‘98? I can’t think of one.
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Thank goodness
I thought I misread your other comment.
And I really don’t feel like arguing today.
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Fire Jeff Fisher.
What do you take me for?
A Texan fan?
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by mgrex03 on Mar 12, 2010 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
How do you determine what's the spread?
Does it have to be out of the shotgun every play? Or, we just talking about the fundamental philosophy of spreading the offense to force the defense to defend more of the field? If it’s the latter, nearly every college team is running some sort of spread concepts.
Considering the time it takes to evaluate a quarterback, your question is loaded and premature. The spread offense has only been around in it’s current form for ~10 years. And, didn’t get big until 5 or 6 years ago. There were ~55 quarterbacks drafted since 2005 and the only one most can agree on that is an excellent QB is Aaron Rodgers. Does that mean the other 54 couldn’t cut it because of the offensive system they ran in college? It generally takes 3 years for a quarterback to develop. The sample size isn’t nearly large enough to draw conclusions about whether a spread QB can been successful in the NFL.
It’s also worth pointing out that Drew Brees, one of the best QB’s in the league ran the spread.
From his college coach Joe Tiller:
“I can remember NFL critics saying the same thing when Drew was a senior,” Tiller said Thursday. "’He’s in that Purdue offense all the time. He lines up in the shotgun all the time, and our guys line up under center.’
“It’s not like college football has a monopoly on the shotgun formation. Now that I’m out of coaching, I’ve watched more NFL football this year than I have the last 10 years combined. There’s hardly any team in the league that doesn’t have their quarterback in the shotgun anymore — including [Ben] Roethlisberger, JaMarcus Russell. Not small guys. The entire league is doing what Drew Brees was criticized for coming out of college.”
Oh, and just to throw my hat in the ring. Colt McCoy will be the best QB in this draft. Book it. David Lewin over at Football Outsiders concluded that the two most important stats when predicting QB success in the NFL is college starts and completion percentage. Colt holds the NCAA records for starts and is one tenth of a percentage point from the completion percentage record. His is 70.3% and he does hold the single season record.
Nice post Superhorn. I agree 100% with the top half of your post, but i must respectfully disaggre with your evaluation of McCoy :P. I guess we’ll have to wait and see who emerges as the number 1 QB of this class.
Question: how do i embed a link like you did with you rSI post? I’d liek to know just for future reference
by CanuckTitan27 on Mar 12, 2010 9:19 AM CST up reply actions
Hey Superhorn
How do you think Bradford will be in the NFL?
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A lot of that’s subjective, though. I have concerns about his mobility, and that’s important coming into one of the top drafting teams that likely have a bad offensive line. Maybe that gets fixed in the future, but in a lot of cases, the quarterback is broken by then.
That said, he’s a good, smart kid. I hope he can find a way to make it work.
You keep conveniently forgetting
the last criteria of the Lewin Forecast. From Pro Football Prospectus 2008, sitting in my lap:
The Lewin Career Forecast applies only to the first 2 rounds, because it assumes that with enough game film to judge, scouts can accurately identify players who are “system quarterbacks” and will not succeed in the NFL, and those players appropriately fall on draft day.
Now, it’s possible McCoy will sneak into the 2nd round, because pretty much every QB gets drafted higher than where they should be (Bradford and Clausen included). The fact he isn’t in the top tier of QBs is a sign that scouts have seen enough game tape on him, even with the high completion percentage, and figured out he isn’t going to be the same QB as Bradford or Clausen, who both have over 30 starts, and have over 60% career completion pct. as well.
Maybe they noticed that of the top 25 rated passers in NCAAF last year, McCoy had the 2nd lowest Yards/Att, which would explain the higher completion percentage.
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Re:
Now, it’s possible McCoy will sneak into the 2nd round, because pretty much every QB gets drafted higher than where they should be (Bradford and Clausen included). The fact he isn’t in the top tier of QBs is a sign that scouts have seen enough game tape on him, even with the high completion percentage, and figured out he isn’t going to be the same QB as Bradford or Clausen, who both have over 30 starts, and have over 60% career completion pct. as well.
You’re giving scouts too much credit, IMO. Look, McCoy won’t “sneak” into the second round. Most projections have him late first or early second. And, you’re really jumping to conclusions about his draft position considering he hasn’t even thrown for scouts yet. I’d be shocked if McCoy dropped to the third round. Where are you seeing him slide to the third?
And, I just see a lot of Drew Brees in Colt McCoy. I think they have similar playing styles and backgrounds. Scouts missed on him as well (last pick of the second round), just as they historically have over the entire existence of the NFL. It’s a terribly difficult position to predict. However, Lewin has found a way to be a little more accurate. It’s not perfect, but McCoy definitely fits his mold.
As for the y/a, last year wasn’t his best year. It was still excellent by most standards, but just look back to the year before. 8.9 y/a (7th best in the NCAA), and 76.6% completion percentage. Those stats are unreal, regardless of the system.
Side note.
The other reason I’m bigger on Colt is the reason you’ve pointed out above. He will likely slide to the second round. I think that’s an advantage. It doesn’t put pressure on the coach to put their highest paid player on the field immediately. He’ll be making moderate pay, and a coach can afford to let him ride the bench for a year or two so he can adjust to the NFL.
I can't find one where he's in the first round
Walter Football – Pick 80
Mocking the Draft – Not in first 2 rounds
Scout – Not in first 2 rounds
The highest I’ve seen him is DraftTek at 37.
And Brees was picked #32 overall, the first pick of the 2nd round, not last pick. That’s a big gap.
And I agree McCoy fits the mold for Lewin’s forecast, as long as he goes in the first 2 rounds (again, I think he will, but not necessarily because he’s in the top 64 of the draft). Unlike almost every other year, though, almost all the top QBs fit the Lewin mold (I don’t feel like looking up Jesus’ stats), including the top 2, who should go in the top 10. It isn’t Manning vs. Leaf type potential-guessing. They are all known quantities this year, and McCoy is clearly behind the top 2.
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Yikes. Sorry, I missed on the Drew Brees pick. Some sort of a slip there, as I had this conversation about him being the first pick of the second round with a friend the other day.
NFL Draft Scout – 2nd Round
And I agree McCoy fits the mold for Lewin’s forecast, as long as he goes in the first 2 rounds (again, I think he will, but not necessarily because he’s in the top 64 of the draft).
That’s irrelevant, though, because every year quarterbacks are drafted higher than they should be. It’s just the way it works, and the data he’s using will reflect that.
It’s also worth noting that one of your mock drafts has Tim Tebow rated higher than Colt. Do you really think Tebow’s going before Colt? I think most mocks at this point are premature. You and I both agree that Colt will go in the second round, so no reason in splitting hairs over it. I think he’s the most accurate quarterback in the draft, and that may be the most important statistic a Qb can have. Because of that, I think he’ll be the best pro Qb. You disagree?
Because I have to
Do you really think Tebow’s going before Colt?
Has Wayne Weaver ever done anything smart? I, of course, don’t think he should.
I have a personal bias, much like you do, that leads me to believe Clausen will end up being the best pro. He’s improved dramatically each season he’s played, and there isn’t any signs of him slowing down with that. He also put up great numbers with a torn tendon in his toe for 3/4 of the season. He threw 4 INTs all season (425 atts), and 2 of which were clearly not his fault (RB had one bounce right off his hands, and he hit Floyd in the numbers; only problem was Floyd never turned around, so it hit his back).
I think in the right situation, McCoy can be a very good QB, (think Joe Flacco). In fact, I think he’d make Baltimore better than with Flacco. I don’t think you can rely on McCoy to go out and win you game after game. He had loads and loads of talent at UT, on both sides of the ball, that helped him win all those games. The NFL doesn’t have the Baylor’s and Iowa State’s though, where there is a clear and significant talent advantage.
I do think Clausen can go out and win you games, as I saw him do it, with a sieve of a defense, the past 2 years.
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What about the comparisons to Brees?
That, among other things, is one of the reasons I think Colt can be successful. He’s crazy accurate, has quick feet, but lacks the huge NFL arm and body.
For every Drew Brees
there are 4 or 5 dead-weights, like this stat line:
6’2", 216 43 Games, 62.4 Career Comp Pct, 79-34 TD/INT, taken 40th overall.
All of these numbers were better than Brees, other than draft position. This was John Beck.
Actually, looking at 2nd round QBs taken since ‘95 (You can go back further, but you’ll come to the same conclusion), look at this list of QBs:
Todd Collins, Kordell Stewart, Tony Banks, Jake Plummer, Charlie Batch, Shaun King, Quincy Carter, Marques Tuiasosopo, Kellen Clemens, Tavaris Jackson, Kevin Kolb, John Beck, Drew Stanton, Brian Brohm, Chad Henne, Pat White.
Plummer clearly stands out as the #2 behind Brees, but look at those other names. Could he turn out to have a career like Brees? Sure, but I think it would be very unlikely. Over the past 15 years we have 1 Super Star, 1 serviceable QB, a bunch of duds, and a couple others where it’s too early to call them duds.
What if I argued that Curtis Painter, given the first team offense and defense playing for him in Indianapolis, would turn into Tom Brady because they were both 6th round picks, and started as backups behind pretty good QBs in pretty good systems?
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Really?
What if I argued that Curtis Painter, given the first team offense and defense playing for him in Indianapolis, would turn into Tom Brady because they were both 6th round picks, and started as backups behind pretty good QBs in pretty good systems?
You and I both know the two comparisons aren’t the same.
Todd Collins, Kordell Stewart, Tony Banks, Jake Plummer, Charlie Batch, Shaun King, Quincy Carter, Marques Tuiasosopo, Kellen Clemens, Tavaris Jackson, Kevin Kolb, John Beck, Drew Stanton, Brian Brohm, Chad Henne, Pat White.
I’m not just looking at stats alone. The style of play feels very similar to me. Throwing in comparisons to guys like Pat White and Kordell Stewart is apples and oranges. Completely different skillset.
And, for whatever it’s worth, I think Kevin Kolb could turn out to be a solid NFL quarterback.
Plummer clearly stands out as the #2 behind Brees, but look at those other names. Could he turn out to have a career like Brees? Sure, but I think it would be very unlikely. Over the past 15 years we have 1 Super Star, 1 serviceable QB, a bunch of duds, and a couple others where it’s too early to call them duds.
Can’t that be said of 90% of QB’s drafted? It’s a crapshoot. There is a strong possibility that you and I are both wrong about Clausen and McCoy, respectively.
I think Lewin is on to something, though, and McCoy fits that mold. Also, maybe one of the most important reasons I think he can be successful is that he won’t be a first round draft pick. He’ll have time to learn. That’s an enormous advantage for a guy that I think can make the same throws as every other QB in this draft.
You can throw a mountain of data as to why I’m wrong. However, that same data exists for virtually every QB available in some form or another. If you or I knew the answers, we wouldn’t be arguing with eachother on an SB Nation blog right now. We’d be flying to pro days on our learjet.
In fairness...
…it took Brees a LONG time to mature. And he had some very good coaching behind him as well as a hyper-talented RB and O-Line when he was in the early stages of his career. If McCoy gets those things as well, then yeah, maybe he’ll eventually blossom. But where? Maybe Minnesota as an understudy to Favre, but other than that, it’s hard to see how someone could land as good a position as Brees landed.
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I agree completely
In the right situation, McCoy could be very good. I don’t think he can go to any team and win games on his own.
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Let's pretend today is March 12, 2000
And I said that in just 4 short years, Tom Brady would have 3 Super Bowl Rings, all with him as the starter, and he’d be drawing comparisons to Joe Montana. You’d say I’m insane and think I’m ridiculous.
You can’t just pick a Super Star player and say he reminds me of X guy, when there are 3-4 other guys, in this case Clemens, Kolb (who I agree could be good, just like McCoy could be good), Beck, and Brohm, all of which fall into the same Lewin mold. Lewin does not say the QB gets better as Comp Pct goes up. He just gives a floor to it.
What makes McCoy so much more like Brees than Clemens, Kolb, Beck, or Brohm? Brees would finish 5th in career college Comp Pct (by 0.1 over Clemens) among these 6 guys. Clemens and Beck are identical size to McCoy as well.
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Again, it's not in the statistics.
Think of it this way. The Lewin system, in my mind, makes him a candidate. That’s all. From there it’s subjective.
Colt’s footwork, accuracy, movement in the pocket, and ability to scramble all remind me of Drew Brees. Additionally, they have a very similar physical skillset, and personal backgrounds/beliefs.
I went to the same high school as Brees and have followed him most of his career. I’ve watched every game Colt’s ever played at Texas. I think the two play a very similar brand of football.
Admittedly, I haven’t watched a whole bunch of Clemens, Kolb, Beck or Brohm. I’m not going to pretend to know how they are similar to Brees. Maybe they are. I don’t know. But, I’m basing my opinion on more the style of football than statistics.
I disagree about Clausen.
It’s the things that don’t show up on the stat sheet. I don’t think he’s a leader. He’s come across to me as a pompous punk ever since he announced his commitment to ND at the college football hall of fame. That attitude won’t fly among NFL veterans. We saw it backfire firsthand with Vince (allegedly). Am I wrong about this?
I'll take his teammates word on it
They are the ones who voted him captain, over guys like Sam Young who had become very vocal about how he wanted to turn the team around, and a guy who started every game of his ND career.
Is the announcement any different than the stupid hat tricks on signing day, or the other press conferences players hold and do the same thing Clausen did? The HoF happened to be in South Bend, he was in town on an official visit, and wanted to make his decision. Are they not allowed to have fun with it?
He’ll have to win over whichever locker room he ends up in. I’d hope they’d make a decision on him based on their own dealings with him, rather than what is talked about in the papers.
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if it walks like a duck...
i don’t mean to say bradford will never pan out. i’m saying that it’s questionable enough that it would be foolish to pass up a sure thing super stud like suh or berry and completely outrageous to give him the $45 mil guaranteed. hopefully this will be the last draft with out a rookie pay scale and we can stop worrying about the dangers of the #1-#3 picks, but for now, it matters and teams should act accordingly by making the safe pick.
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Agree with all this.
My only point is that I think it’s foolish to pass on a player based purely on the system he’s in. It needs to be accounted for, but I think a spread quarterback can be successful in the NFL.
I'm sure they'd LOVE to trade down.
But no one wants to trade up that high.
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I’d go Suh as there are plenty of QB’s avail at pick 32. You can get McCoy, Pike, or another good QB there
I think Suh's the better player
But I do believe the Rams will go with Bradford.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Mar 11, 2010 10:38 PM CST reply actions
The Rams should pick whoever the hell they want in the first,
but give us their 2nd for lendale.
its a mock draft
alot of time s teams at that postion make a big chance anyways .. i mean when titans drafted CJ we all looked around the living room or bar and said HUH?? who tha fuck is Chris johnson and his he gonna be another RB bust for us?
mgrex
what’s your take on bradford going #1? total disaster right?
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Not as bad as
JaLardAss Russell.
Taking snaps under center, or more importantly, making defensive reads while under center, are the main reasons why Spread QBs just do not translate to the NFL, especially right away. I think Bradford has the mental capacity to do it, he’ll just need to be taught. How long can the Rams wait?
I think Clausen can make more throws than he can, and he’s carried a team before. I know you don’t like Clausen, but obviously I have a slight personal bias that makes me like the kid. It’s too bad his head coach can only coach QBs, but not anything else.
I think the Rams have to take a QB for PR reasons. They need a shot in the arm, a face of the franchise. A DT just can’t do that, no matter how good he is. If they have decided they don’t want a QB, they absolutely must trade out of that spot.
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why not
take suh and then a qb @ #33? then you have a no doubt impact d-lineman and could still maybe get someone with potential like a locker or mccoy.
i feel the same way about clausen as i do about bradford. they both COULD be good, eventually, with clausen likely being closer to that point at this moment. but the financial realities of taking an iffy qb and handing him $45 mill before he even takes a snap in camp are potentially devastating. i hate to ever acknowledge the jr. cowboys, but the mario williams pick was spot on, and i think that principle applies this year as well.
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Gonna be tough to get Locker in this draft
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DE >> DT
You know this by the amount of money they make on average. For every Haynesworth, you have 5 DEs that are that good.
The problem with QB at 33 is that would be a huge reach. Even if they could trade back to the mid-40s, I still think they’d be reaching for McCoy, but it would be defensible. Like I told SuperHorn above, I think McCoy can win games in the right situation, and that right situation is not St. Louis.
If they want Locker, they might as well have kept Kyle Boller, ran him out there every week, and got another top 2 pick, which would be their 4th year in a row doing that.
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You are out of your mind.
For every Haynesworth, you have 5 DEs that are that good.
Name me the other elite DTs
Franchise Tag Salaries for 2010:
DE: $12.398 M
DT: $7.003 M
That’s a huge difference.
How about this…In between Haynesworth and the next best DT, I could easily name you 5 DEs (including rush-only OLB in 3-4) that are more valuable:
Freeney
Allen
Mario Williams
Ware
James Harrison
This doesn’t include Peppers, Seymour, Mathis, Will Smith, Suggs, Tuck who are 6 more that would probably fall in line after the next DT.
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it's because sacks are sexy
and a lot easier to see on the stat sheet. with out push up the middle though, DE’s can’t make those outside rushes work against a decent tackle because the qb can always step up in the pocket and the DE goes flying by and out of the play.
nothing is as disruptive as a world class DT/NT. it’s just a lot harder, and thus there are a lot fewer of them.
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a lot fewer of them, meaning that it is a bigger risk picking the DT than a DE, as the DE will, on average, turn out to be a better player, whatever the reasons may be.
There have been 3 DTs taken #1 overall over the past 20 years…Russell Maryland, Steve Emtman, and Dan Wilkinson. That’s 1 Pro Bowl in 29 combined years. The only DT taken #2 overall, Darrell Russell, had 2 Pro Bowls in 6 seasons, I think cut short by injury. Orlando Pace was taken #1 overall that year (97).
Two DEs have been taken #1 overall (Williams, Courtney Brown), and 2 were taken #2 overall (Chris Long and Peppers). Two hits, one miss, one jury still out.
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This draft is different. Especially in Suh's case, maybe Gerald McCoy, too.
Suh is clearly more talented than every other DE in this draft. Everything about him looks good. Tangibles. Intangibles. Stats. He’s about as sure a pick as you’re going to get. Generally, I might agree with you, but a guy like Suh may be a once in a decade kind of player. You don’t pass up on that kind of potential for someone like Carlos Dunlap, or Jason Pierre-Paul.
This isn't a 2010 argument
clearly Suh and McCoy stand far above any DE in this draft.
In general, I think it’s more of a reach to pick a DT first, compared to a DE. Especially given how few elite DT there actually are.
I really think if they want Suh or McCoy, they should trade back.
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I like the pick
This team has no offense so it makes sense to go after your QB of the future. Bradford would have probably have been taken by the Lions last year had he come out. He definitly will have to take his time to go from spread to NFL style offense but he has all the tools necessary to be a successful NFL QB.
Suh will be a great defensive player no doubt but there is no way he can have a greater impact on this team if Bradford turns out to be a stud QB.
Taylor Mays > Eric Berry
I find it sort of strange that he doesn't use the laces to throw
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