Tennessee Titans Morning Links: Post-Super Bowl Coverage/Haterade Edition
by August West on Feb 8, 2010 8:05 AM CST
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Drew Bress won the MVP of the Super Bowl after breaking the record for most competitions in the big game, and I couldn't be happier for the people of New Orleans. This doesn't finish rebuilding the lower parishes and 9th Ward (you know, the places white people don't visit enough to warrant real repair results) or get everyone out of those formaldehyde-ridden FEMA trailers, but it gives that community another reason to bond together and take pride in their city after a lot of bad breaks.
Peyton Manning played three very strong quarters, even if the Colts didn't have the points you'd expect as a result, but in the end he, in the words of Eddie Izzard, slowly collapsed like a flan in a cupboard. There's not doubt the man is still one of the all-time greats, but the list of disappointing losses to end unbelievable seasons is getting mighty long for Mr. Manning. Now it'd be disingenuous to blame all of those losses on Peyton, but at what point do we acknowledge that he overcomes those deficits in the regular season, but not when it counts (unless playing a team lead by the likes of Rex Grossman)?
The Saints' victory should only count as a total shock to people who don't really watch football (see: King, Peter) or remember Peyton outside of the 2006 season. Otherwise what's so shocking about a 13 win team beating a 14 win team helmed by a notorious choke-artist? Especially when that 13 win team had a tougher road through the playoffs?
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Bress-us has to be counted among the best in the NFL right now after winning the Super Bowl. Don't forget that he had a great season where he lost the MVP pretty much only because of how poorly Peyton's back-up played.
Peyton Manning and Reggie Wayne showed how deep their dedication to sportsmanship runs by scurrying into the locker room without the traditional handshakes with the victors. I'm half-way kidding here, as there's a pretty good chance they couldn't find Brees or Sean Payton in the chaos that occurred as time ran out... heck the Saints with the Gatorade bath in hand could barely find their coach.
Manning did give credit to Porter for jumping that route.
Almost lost in the flurry of stories this morning is hearty congratulations to the new Hall of Fame class, which is headlined by Jerry Rice, Emmitt Smith and Dick Lebeau (who should make the HOF twice, as a player and a coordinator, when it's all said and done).
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"What if I was Peyton Manning?"- CJ to the ref after they picked up a personal foul flag for a late hit on him.
huh, what, huh?
even if that were true it would be irrelevant since Bush was taken before VY and that Titans had no shot at taking him. it’s not like the Titans passed on Bush for Young.
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This comment is so nonsensical that I don't even know how to attack it.
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the media crushed Lebron James for not shaking hands after the Cavs loss to the Magic last season
I hope the same happens to peyton, but I’m not holding my breath. I’m not huge on sportsmanship and don’t really care if players shake hands, I’d just like to see something other than the peyton fellatio-fest we’ve had to endure the past 2 weeks.
and Brees didn’t break the record for completions, he just tied it.
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Reporters and cameramen
I was amazed at the sheer number of reporters and cameramen that were swarming the players before the game started. I understand the magnitude of the game, but come on, let the guys warm up.
Suffice to say, that number seemed to quadruple at the end of the game- Drew Brees couldn’t even high-five his teammates let alone the opposing team.
But, in the end, it looks like sour grapes on the part of Manning and Wayne for not shaking hands at the end. Pretty low class.
at least they haven't shot anybody yet
Like their buddy “Colt” Harrison
VY
would have made the tackle on Porter. Manning got blocked into the ground like a small child. That doesn’t make up for the other 2 INTs vince would have thrown though.
"Oh, you should never, never doubt what nobody is sure about." Gene Wilder - Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory
How does this turn into a thread about VY?
Amazing.
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"What if I was Peyton Manning?"- CJ to the ref after they picked up a personal foul flag for a late hit on him.
So he's saying that with VY we'll reach the SB
Awesome!
Now back to the game. Sean Payton showed a lot of gut with the onside kick at the start of the third quarter. That play turned the game in favor of the Saints and for that point on the Colts were playing catch up. Good for the Saints for winning and sparing us from two weeks of Manning gushing from the media. Thanks good Payton
I'm not a VY fanboy, I'm a VY supporter
Awesome game
And Bill Polian is going to get the competition committee to ban onside kicks this offseason
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and according to colts fans
that’s not the only thing that should be banned
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Thats just pathetic.
Grasping at straws, colts fans.
Ain't no time for hesitatin'
All you got to do is groove
by BonzosMontreaux on Feb 8, 2010 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
I expect nothing less
especially from Colts fans who read such a hypocritical, thin-skinned sack of… poop.
Gotta love how BBS was all doe-eyed and chummy chummy in person with the people he’s built a readership out of crapping all over online (Florio, Peter King), then gets irate when Christmas Ape from KSK is the exact same person he seems like online.
I believe the word is hypocrite.
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I loved the reference to the 1999 Titans
and how the defense was coached by Gregg Williams and were so good. That was a fun defense to watch!
of course we have a chance to get williams but we dont,
and when is cecil going to get the memo on how you beat peyton is to pressure him with blitzs and make him make mistakes, if you give peyton all day to pass he will pick a team apart. that goes for every qb ,more pressure more mistakes.
williams is not a wuss and isnt scared to send everybody like cecil is. cecil plays to not to give up the big one but it just takes more time for a team to score when they dump it off all day cus they have all day to find somebody open. more pressure more blitzs, tons more, bring back the 46! stop with the wussieness
disagree
the Saints barely blitzed until the time was right. the way you beat Peyton is just how the Saints did it (having 2 weeks to gameplan helps): you have a 1st half defense, a 3rd quarter defense and some new looks for the 4th quarter. cause a turnover or two and win the special teams game and you’ll coast to a win every time.
If you blitz Peyton he’ll kill ya on most days. Paul Kuharsky wrote extensively about this (here and here for example), as did the WSJ:
This season, NFL teams blitzed Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning 149 times. Their goal: To mash Mr. Manning into a buttery paste suitable for dinner rolls.
The result: He completed 101 passes, 10 for touchdowns, and was only sacked five times. In fact, his completion percentage on blitzes was only one point lower than his overall mark.
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And actually, despite the blitzes, NO's DBs did a really good job of keeping Indy's WRs in front of them.
It was a prevent with lots of pressure. Yes, the Colts made plays, but mostly it was long drives played band-but-don’t-break up into the Red Zone.
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And that is the defense
that Schwartz played against him his last couple of years here and was very successful. The key is getting a push with the front four.
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"What if I was Peyton Manning?"- CJ to the ref after they picked up a personal foul flag for a late hit on him.
I think you're being too rough on Peyton
He’s had some bad losses to end seasons, I don’t think it’s that he chokes or anything in the postseason… it’s that he plays better teams with more preparation. I’d imagine the margin between the level and sophistication of preparation Manning can get done in the regular season and the opposing defenders can is greatly reduced in the postseason. Certainly, that’s what Tracy Porter is attributing his Pick-6 to.
Manning is a passing machine, and it’s that consistency and precision that distinguishes him. IMO, Brady throws a better ball, Brees is more mobile, creative, and has a quicker release, etc. It’s not like we’re talking about a Michael Jordan, who to the eye, is clearly superior to everyone else. Manning is one of the all-time greats, but he’s not really that physically exceptional, his edge is decision making, poise, limiting negative plays, preparation etc. It seems to me those skills/traits might be considerably less valuable in the post-season against a very good team with tons of preparation and study.
Along those lines, it’s also possible that with so much decision making coming directly from Manning, patterns tend to emerge by the post-season. While Manning’s LOS adjustments tend to work, sometimes the eye in the sky calling plays can be a lot more balanced, creative, explosive, and unpredictable. Again, Porter said he sniffed out that play before it was run… I think that play might be indicative of a larger phenomenon explaining Manning’s struggles in the postseason.
"... his edge is decision making, poise, limiting negative plays..."
all of which seem to erode in the playoffs, thus he’s getting hammered just like he deserves.
Joe Montana wasn’t a physical phenom, but he didn’t crap the bed in January either. That’s why he’s the best of all time.
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I don't know that they erode
His stuff just might not work in the postseason. The advantage of that skill set just may be diminished in the playoffs. Happens all the time in every sport. Thus the “defense wins championships” saw.
I will give you that the timeout gaffe was pretty brutal after the pick.
by WC22 on Feb 8, 2010 11:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I completely disagree.
Manning is about 5 inches taller than Brees and MUCH stronger with his arm. The only reason Brees can even be in the conversation is superior preparation.
Now seriously, let’s not have any more of this “Peyton is wonderful” talk. He got roundly outplayed despite having a very good running game on his side and probably the better overall defense. Meanwhile, NO Defense—never a talented group but veteran and well-coached—baited him on that last play, which is just precious. They literally did to him what he usually does to others, and the fact that they had the discipline to wait with it until late in the 4th is just unbelievable.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
Peyton did not get outplayed by much. I was rooting for the Saints all the way, however
I thought he played very well. There was a key drop in the second quarter by Reggie Wayne that would have kept a drive going. That was a big drop, right on his hands. Manning made the fatal pass in the fourth quarter that sealed the victory for New Orleans, which was his biggest mistake. New Orleans took some chances that paid off handsomely and I see that as the difference maker.
How so?
Manning completed 60-something percent of his passes. Brees was in the high 80s, and that was including a spike to stop the clock in the first half. Peyton threw an INT. Brees did not. Wayne had a big drop at the end of the game. Well, M. Colston had TWO in the first quarter, lest we forget that the Saints were initially down by 10 points.
So, yes, Peyton is a good quarterback. He is not THE BEST quarterback, but he is good. Still, he was outplayed by a significant margin. Over 10% in completion percentage alone. That is A LOT.
Look, to be the man, you have to beat the man. Drew Brees did that. He is now the man.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I did not make it during the live game thread as I planned
so this may have been mentioned, but Roby was playing lights out on special teams, what a loss (wonder why he did not perform that way for us). Congrats to the Saints it was great to see the colts lose, and I bet manniningface.com will have a field day at some of the faces Peyton was displaying last night.
Couple of things I took away from the game last night.
1. THAT is why coaching matters. Sean Payton has balls. That kind of playcalling only exists for the Titans in the preseason. Fisher would NEVER kick that onside kick, or go for it on 4th and 1. Yes, that could have easily gone a different way. But, Payton knew what he had to do, and had the guts to call the play. Jeff Fisher would have lost that game by 10 points with the same personnel.
2. Peyton Manning is a loser. The guy may be the most talented, and smartest QB to ever play the game. His numbers are eye popping when it doesn’t matter. He’ll shred you in the regular season. But, the second he plays on the biggest stage, he craps the bed.
The “it” factor is overplayed in sports. And, I hate using that cliche. However, anyone watching that game last night could see the difference in Manning and Brees just by body language and the look in their eye.
My mind went straight to Glengarry Glen Ross after that onside kick:
by August West on Feb 8, 2010 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
for the uninitiated:
this is why Sean Payton gets all the coffee this morning.
(there’s lots of awesome cussing, just so you know.)
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that was awesome
first time i’ve seen it
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It's a great movie
definitely take some time to watch the whole thing.
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Did Manning have the "it" factor when he won his other Super Bowl?
Come on with that. It’s not an “it” factor thing. When Manning won the Super Bowl, he led one of the great playoff comebacks of all time against the team that he supposedly couldn’t beat because Tom Brady was the one with the “it” factor. Manning certainly looked like he had the “it” factor against the Jets. Please. save it. Brees played better, but he had 2 passes that could’ve easily been Interceptions and if they had been, it’s a different game.
Don’t get me wrong, I love Manning losing as much as the next guy, but “it” factor had nothing to do with it.
As for the coaching, I agree that Payton made 2 great, ballsy calls. But that’s not why the Saints won. Once again, everybody is misconstruing my argument. I’m not saying coaching is a non-factor. I am saying it is overrated. The Saints won because Drew Brees was flawless 98% of the time, because Peyton Manning made one horrendous throw, and because the Saints lucked out on a play that you generally lose 85% of the time, and if the Colts recover that onside kick and go on to win 95% of the media is KILLING Sean Payton today.
Drew Brees, Tracy Porter, and Pierre Thomas won the game, and the Saints still needed Manning’s worst decision of his career to seal it. Payton’s calls ended up just about cancelling each other out.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Feb 8, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
Peyton had at least one more pass that could/should have been picked
but Collie played defense on it.
You have to credit Sean Payton for helping, not hurting his team’s chances. I mean the more I hear your stance on coaching the more it sounds like a baseball manager and basketball coach: the best in the world simply avoid obvious mistakes regarding the personnel they have on hand. That’s 99% of what separates Joe Torre and Graddy Little, or Phil Jackson from Rick Adelman. Know who to go to, and where to put guys. The rest is up to the players.
Not saying I completely agree, but that sounds like the parallel that’s being drawn.
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Let me add to this, August.
That’s 99% of what separates Joe Torre and Graddy Little, or Phil Jackson from Rick Adelman. Know who to go to, and where to put guys. The rest is up to the players.
I think that’s spot on. I’d also add, that you must also give your players the tools they need to put them in the best position to win. Bill Belichick wins consistently because of Tom Brady. But, he put Brady in a position to have a historical year by spreading the field and airing it out in 2007. He saw the strengths of his offense and built it around Brady. Any coach could win with Brady. Belichick made them nearly unstoppable.
That’s the change I’m looking for out of Fisher. You’re pot committed to Vince at this point, at least for the season. I think it’s time to take that next step. Design an offense to maximize the speed you have on the field. Let the players do the rest.
I'm really hoping 'Dinger is camped in the lab
now that he has his first full offseason knowing that VY and CJ will start, and exactly what those guys can do.
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I'm hoping the same.
I’d love for MCM to send Dinger material on the triple option and reasons for us to use it, like we sent Fisher the jersey, but that’s me. lol
Agreed on that Collie defense
More Wide Receivers should get better at that.
As for my views on coaching, it’s a decent parallel but not quite my exact views. I would say out of the 3 major sports, coaching matters most in football, and I don’t think it is even close. Belichick and Payton definitely can add a win or two to their team’s overall record vs. an average head coach. Gameplanning and exploiting matchups and finding tendencies are huge, as well as developing personnel.
However, the media and especially fans think coaching is everything. That if a coach is good enough, he could take the personnel from Vandy and beat the Cowboys just by sheer acumen. What ends up happening is a coach then starts to get credit for things he has no control over. I’ve said it before and I will say it now, It’s not a coincidence every great coach in NFL history had a great QB to go with him. That isn’t to detract from the coach, it’s just a fact.
Sean Payton could not run all these crazy formations and innovative playcalling without Drew Brees being able to understand them and execute them. Same with Belichick and Brady. Also same with Belichick and his great defenses from the early part of the decade. Great gameplanning, but how is that working for him now? His defenses SUCK and they can’t execute the most basic scheme, much less his typical complicated gameplans.
I would add also to Payton and Brees that they didn’t get to the Super Bowl until the defense stepped up and upgraded their personnel. Jabari Greer is probably the 2nd or 3rd best shutdown corner in the NFL now. The Saints offense has been great for 3 years, but they werent a Super Bowl team until the defense showed up as well.
Anyways, it’s a long-winded way of saying I know that in the NFL coaching is much more important than in the NBA or MLB, but the fans and the media in the NFL think that a coach can will inferior players to a win if he’s smart enough, and it isn’t true. It’s a players league, and you can get a lot farther with good players and a bad coach than with bad players and a good coach.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Feb 8, 2010 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
You're wrong.
And, no, Manning didn’t have the “it” factor, whatever that is, in the other Super Bowl. His stats reflected that.
I think you’re trying to make things too black and white. Some binary logic that says a guy must be always good or always bad. You’re missing the point that the guts of sports involves a psychological aspect.
The “it” factor to me, means nothing more than how someone responds to pressure. At every level of business and sports, people respond differently. Just because Peyton is at the top of his game the logic doesn’t have to follow that he must be good under pressure. Different people respond different ways. That doesn’t necessarily mean that they will always win under that pressure, only that over the course of a career their numbers are better than average when it matters most.
Peyton continues to under perform in the spotlight. That play may still be better than most QBs in the league, but I still think he under performs by his standards when he’s on the big stage.
As for Payton, here’s the question for you, do you think Jeff Fisher would have won that game with the same personnel?
Is there not pressure in the AFC Championship game when down 17-6?
Is there not pressure when once again, your team is losing to the Patriots for the 4th year in a row (or whatever it was)? Why did he do well then? Different pressure? Then why did he not have the “it” factor against the Chargers in the first round last year and other first round games? Is “it” just a fickle mistress, akin to how the Ancient Greeks viewed Fortune? Your argument doesn’t hold up under any scrutiny with Manning. He has definitely under performed in big spots. But he also has risen to the occasion in some rather impressive ways as well.
As for whether Fisher would’ve won with the same personnel, I don’t know. My gut reaction says no, but it isn’t a guarantee. If you promised me that Manning would give up that pick 6 and Brees would play as well as he did, then I would say Fisher has a better than 50% shot of winning the game then.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Feb 8, 2010 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
He is 9-9 in his career in the postseason
Overall underwhelming it seems to me.
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"What if I was Peyton Manning?"- CJ to the ref after they picked up a personal foul flag for a late hit on him.
Oh and
Posse loves Peyton!
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"What if I was Peyton Manning?"- CJ to the ref after they picked up a personal foul flag for a late hit on him.
"He has definitely under performed in big spots. But he also has risen to the occasion in some rather impressive ways as well."
That’s true, but the list of tough to explain away disappointments is getting really, really long for Peyton… just ask UT fans.
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That's true, I'm not disagreeing with that
I just don’t buy the “it” factor, or the idea that he can’t handle the pressure.
Who knows? Maybe I am wrong and he can only handle the pressure during a certain lunar cycle and it’s worked out only once.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Feb 8, 2010 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
You're getting too caught up in the "it" factor.
It’s a stupid term. I hate it.
Bottom line, there is enough data to evaluate how Peyton performs in big spots. Traditionally, he plays below his average. There are going to be exceptions to the rule. But, the averages tell the whole story.
You know who proves the existence, and rarity, of the "it" factor?
Joe Montana. 4 SB appearances, 4 rings, 3 Super Bowl MVPs (the other one going to his WR, so we can almost say 3.5), and a career Super Bowl stat line of: 83 of 122 passes (68%), 1,142 yards, 11 TDs, 0 INTs, for a passer rating of 127.8.
That, my friends, is “it”.
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Mantana is a bad comp...
He was pre-FA and that team was utterly stacked. Ever played Tecmo Bowl? Pass 3 is unstoppable.
his individual performance says it all
no matter what era it was.
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Manning's QB Rating in the playoffs is nearly ~8 points lower than the regular season.
That’s a significant swing. I suppose you can just chalk that up to better competition.
As for the Patriots game:
He posted a QB rating of 79.1, and completed 57% of his passes. He was instrumental in that win, but he wasn’t exactly setting the world on fire.
And, they had only lost to the Pats two times before. Those games he posted a rating of 35.5 and 69.3.
Look, let’s put it very simply. Peyton Manning dwarfs nearly every quarterback in NFL history statistically in the regular season. Included in that is Joe Montana. Peyton trumps Joe in virtually every statistical category in the regular season.
If I’m given the choice of a quarterback to lead my team in the playoffs, I’m taking Joe Montana over Peyton Manning every single time. You?
Joe Montana, no question
Which I guess reveals that deep down, I do think Manning chokes under pressure.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Feb 8, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
It doesn't even really mean that he chokes.
Just that when nerves are high, his brain processes things differently. It’s nothing new among the scientific community, as a simply Google search will tell you.
From Live Science.com:
A new study finds that individuals with high working-memory capacity, which normally allows them to excel, crack under pressure and do worse on simple exams than when allowed to work with no constraints. Those with less capacity score low, too, but they tend not to be affected by pressure.
…
The study analyzed 93 undergraduate students from Michigan State University to determine their working-memory capacities. The students were divided into two groups, a high working-memory group (HWM) and a low working-memory group (LWM). Each person was given a 24-problem math test in a low-pressure environment. The HWM group did substantially better.
Then the two groups were given the same test, but were told that they were part of a “team effort” and an improved score would earn the team a cash reward. They were also told their performance was being evaluated by math professors.
I’m trying to find another one I read a while back about Tiger Woods. The gist was that every athlete gets nervous. The good ones have the ability to keep the left brain and right brain separate. They don’t let the emotion right brain get in the way of rational, information processing left brain.
Hmm.
I didn’t get all the info in that block quote:
The study analyzed 93 undergraduate students from Michigan State University to determine their working-memory capacities. The students were divided into two groups, a high working-memory group (HWM) and a low working-memory group (LWM). Each person was given a 24-problem math test in a low-pressure environment. The HWM group did substantially better.
Then the two groups were given the same test, but were told that they were part of a “team effort” and an improved score would earn the team a cash reward. They were also told their performance was being evaluated by math professors.
Under this higher, real world pressure situation, the HWM group’s score dropped to that of the LWM group, which was not affected by the increased pressure.
wish I'd have read this
before I posted that
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No
Rex Grossman had the “it” factor that year
funny superbowl pic
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do you think we've seen the last of the gum chewing old man in the colts jacket talking to petyon?
"hey, quit reading these ridiculous words of wisdom and get back to work!"
by stetix01 on Feb 8, 2010 3:15 PM CST reply actions
I'm loving stampede blue today
not one thing bad has been said about peyton. it’s almost like they’re scared to say something wrong as if they were going to offend pey-pey. anytime anyone has a differing opinion it is met with a threat of banning. there are about 4 fanposts where the 1st comment is some over-sensitive hump threatens to flag the post if it is not deleted. and of course BBS is still grasping at straws even though the Lance Moore play was much more of a catch than jacoby jones. their tears are like candy to me.
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man that's exactly what I flashed to when that play happened
all of those calls early in the year where the NFL couldn’t figure out this completing the catch nuance, and most vividly the atrocious call that Jacobi Jones got the first time we played the Texans…
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I think you're right
Whether or not the catch was a catch, I’m fairly certain the ref got it wrong when he said something about breaking the plane. Unlike a run, the football does not just have to break the plane if you catch it in the air- you have to maintain possession all the way to the ground.
So his explanation of “breaking the plane” was wrong, whether or not he had possession (I don’t think that he did, but that’s a different argument).
congrats colts fans, showing your true colors
all 11 of the true colts fans showed up to greet the team just in case you hadn’t heard. great job fat humps!
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