Players Who Need to Go
What a long, strange season it's been.
We started off strong at 5-2, feeling like we could be at least 6-1. We followed up the strong start with our second 6 game losing streak in two seasons. There are lots of things that contributed to this losing streak, including a locker room drama involving the coach and star QB and the loss of one of our best offensive weapons at WR. That said, another collapse and another long losing streak make it clear that this team needs some serious restructuring. We all have an opinion about changes to the coaching staff that need to be made, but we need more than that. While I think the core of this team is talented, some changes HAVE to be made at the player level.
Here is my take on each position:
QB: In a perfect world, Vince Young and Kerry Collins both need to go. Vince Young is clearly very talented, but after this whole debacle following the Redskins game, it's my opinion that he needs to be gone. I realize how controversial this opinion is, and it has been WELL discussed on MCM, so let's just leave it at that. Kerry Collins has played well enough the last few weeks, but he is too old to make it in the NFL. He is the antithesis of mobile, and his arm strength seems all but gone. Without Kenny Britt bailing him out in some key situations, some of his best games this year look much less stellar. Is Rusty Smith the QB of the future? The distant future, maybe. He doesn't seem like he's ready to play, but I do like his attitude. I think Vince Young will be here next year, but it's time to start looking for the QB of the future in earnest, if it's not Rusty Smith.
RB: This is one of the few positions that I wouldn't touch. CJ is the best in the league, Ahmard hall is a good blocking fullback, Javon Ringer is a very serviceable backup. We'll also get another look at Stafon Johnson, assuming his recovery goes well. I wish we had get Blount around, but who doesn't?
WR: Justin Gage has to go. Is there any question about that? I think he's actually contractually obligated to have two big drops per game. It's a shame that we aren't using Randy Moss more, and I would be surprised if we kept him, but at this point, this is one of the most talented groups of receivers we Titans fans have ever seen. Even without Moss, Kenny Britt, Nate Washington, Damian Williams, and Lavelle Hawkins have a ton of upside and talent.
TE: Bo Scaife has to go. He is way overpaid, and has been next to useless this season. Let's give Jared Cook a year to work on his blocking, and make him the starter. He's too explosive in the passing game to keep him off the field any longer. Paired up with our talented young receivers, we have the potential to be a nightmare to opposing defensive coordinators if we can find a QB we can trust.
OL: The offensive line has been bad this year. They were one of the biggest problems, in my mind, during the 6 game losing streak, and why CJ has had such an "off" year, if you can really call it that. The biggest problems occurred in the interior offensive line, and changes have to be made. Eugene Amano is not a usable Center to me, and Jake Scott's play has really dropped off at times, too. Leroy Harris hasn't exactly been good, either. There's not a lot of good to say, here. There needs to be some restructuring here, at least. Hopefully Matthews can develop into a good Center and we can draft another interior lineman.
DB: Chris Hope is the obvious choice to go, here. He is having a horrible year. Think Nick Harper circa 2009. Griffin's play took a step in the right direction this year--let's hope he continues to improve. I was a little disappointed with Finny's play a times this year, too. I think the trouble he got into early in the year messed with his head. I hope he can bounce back and have a better year next year, and at the least, I don't think it's time to dump him. The bright spot this year has been the play of the young corners. McCourty has been good ,and ATV is the surprise of the year to everyone outside of MCM. If he keeps it up, he could be a starter for years to come.
LB: I’m not sure who needs to go here, but something’s got to give. This group seems good, but they can’t cover a TE. Tulloch is a very good MLB, I think, but he is a liability in coverage. McGrath has a lot of upside and has played very well at times, but again, looks lost in coverage a lot. Witherspoon was a huge surprise early in the season, and has been a nice player for us, but is probably a stopgap for our next young LB. I'll be looking for Tennessee to fix this position in the draft, most likely on the first day, if possible.
DL: I like the unit as a whole, when they’re healthy, but that’s seemingly so rarely the case. No one necessarily needs to be dumped, but the team needs to add some pieces to work long term. If the current staff sticks around, the defense goes the way of this unit. When they are playing well, the whole defense plays well. When they are beat up, tired, and not getting to the QB, the whole defense suffers. The return of Captain Morgan will help, but the more bodies the better, in our current system.
ST: Bironas is one of the best, Kern has been a good punter this year, Mariani was one of the best return men in the league this year. No huge problems with ST this year.
Feel free to agree, disagree, call me stupid, etc. My one request is that if there is any significant amount of discussion, let's try to NOT make it centered around Vince Young and Jeff Fisher. We've had that debate.
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Ahh!
Formatting craziness. I don’t know what happened. I’m trying to fix it.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Dec 27, 2010 5:18 PM CST reply actions
I fixed it!
Sorry.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Dec 27, 2010 5:28 PM CST reply actions
QB: I’m a VY believer, I’ll leave it at that.
HB: Draft a bruiser in the late rounds/Undrafted and give them a chance, just dont cut them hoping they make the practice squad this time….
WR: I agree – I still don’t know why Gage got the big contract in the 1st place.
TE: I don’t agree with letting him go, but I don’t agree on tagging him again. Offer him a 3-4yr average contract, if he takes it great, he can back up Cookie, if not let him walk.
OL: Velasco has impressed me in fill in. Leroy and Amano I am not fans of. I think this is a need.
DL: When healthy we are good. I agree. Nobody needs to go, but we could use a few more bodies. Big Al and a 1st or 2nd rounder would really boost the depth
LB: Once again, nobody needs to go, but we def could use some depth – preferably a rookie ready to make a difference. Again I say 1st/2nd rounder
Secondary: ATV has done great, CF had a down year. Mccourty has stepped up this year as well. Hope needs to be gone, lets see what Johnson or Rolle can do.
ST: for once I say leave it alone as well.
There’s my 2 cents
A good point that some of you fans don't see...
Is Ahmard Hall has either lost a step, or simply isn’t getting it done. I have gone back a few games and watched the entirety. Ahmard Hall is getting bullied behind the line of scrimmage, and if CJ get’s past Ahmard’s block it is because Ahmard is position blocking really, or just being a decoy holding. It’s unfortunate to watch because he was so powerful and good in 2008-2009.
He isn’t getting it done this year.
GO TITANS!!!
that or maybe the others are stronger than him
thats why i say draft another FB.
It couldnt hurt
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Dec 27, 2010 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
That FB we had in the offseason was suppose to be pretty good
Unfortunately I can’t remember his name but his stats in college we’re pretty good and he could catch! Rose I think his name was?
InVINCEable
willie rose
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Dec 27, 2010 6:06 PM CST up reply actions
That's the dude
He was a bad ass it sounded like. Maybe we could bring him back since he was on IR?
InVINCEable
aww yeah maybe so
We should look at our PS and IR players before we make a Mock Draft
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Dec 27, 2010 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
he's a bad bad man
some nice footage here but nothing that Hall can’t do for us right now.
Get 'em.
"it ain't no sin in goin to da scrip club."
by danielreese05 on Dec 27, 2010 7:35 PM CST up reply actions
Still he looked like he had promise
Especially if he sat on the practice squad for the year
InVINCEable
Yeah, I can't disagree with that assessment.
I like Ahmard, I hope he can bounce back, but we’ve been running a lot more without a fullback, anyway.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Dec 27, 2010 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
a fullback isn't meant to block 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage
The same bad blocking that effects CJ, effects Sarge’s blocking. If the O lineman are making their blocks Sarge;s block is the first man in the whole or through it. Bad O-line play means that first man is much closer and weighs a ton. Physics takes care of the rest.
by asbestos_man on Dec 28, 2010 12:04 AM CST up reply actions
You aren't understanding my point.
If it’s two yards behind the line of scrimmage, it is because Ahmard is meeting them at the line of scrimmage and getting NO push on them. He is getting bullied wherever he is blocking. It’s not the O-Line sir. ( Although, they aren’t blocking worth crap either ).
GO TITANS!!!
I like that RB Daniel Thomas guy from Kansas State
He’s got a good size to him and can be the bruiser, I doubt he lasts until the 3rd round, though.
by nolesbroncos3456 on Dec 27, 2010 7:23 PM CST reply actions
Agree with pretty much all of this.
I don’t think Tulloch is back simply because he is playing under a restricted free agent tag this year, and I doubt a new contract with the Titans is in his future, unless the money is not too much.
I’ve also thought Finnegan’s play has slipped largely due to the rule emphasis put in effect earlier in the season.
Solid assessment of guys who need to go, good read.
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by ronburgundy7427 on Dec 27, 2010 8:29 PM CST reply actions
I appreciate it.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Dec 27, 2010 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
My thoughts
QB: I agree with you on both VY and Kerry. I’d like to see us go for a QB in the draft since none of the FA choices look very appealing. I’m a fan of Kellen Moore, but I think I’m probably the only one. I’m game for anyone but Cam Newton, I can’t stand the guy and all the craziness that followed him.
RB: I agree that we need a bruiser to balance our rushing styles. CJ can run between the tackles or outside, but he looked pretty worn down this year from all the abuse so we gotta get someone somehow. I like Sarge, but I’m not opposed to looking at Willie Rose off of IR.
WR: This position gives me the biggest headache. The whole Britt/Moss playing the same position thing is the discussion point that makes me want to punch small children. I’m sick of the coaching staff not putting our best players on the field! Get rid of Gage, he is worthless. I don’t understand why Hawk is always inactive, because every time I’ve seen him in the game he makes plays. I don’t see Moss coming back due to our misuse of him. I think we’d be good to go with Britt, Washington, D Williams, Hawk and Mariani
TE: Get rid of Scaife, he is overpaid and an average TE at best. Use Cook more and draft/sign a 3rd TE. Stevens has been a good surprise in both blocking and catching.
OL: Why did they put Amano at center? Harris did a solid job playing center in situations before and Amano was a good guard. I really like Velasco and how he filled in this year. I think Stewart and Roos just need to refocus and get it going again. Let Scott go. Either draft someone in Rd 3-5 for interior depth or let Harris, Amano, Velasco and Matthews fight it out for the interior spots.
DL: If everyone is healthy I think this is our strongest unit. However, they all have injury problems, especially Tony Brown. I like Tony, met him before and think he is a great guy, but his knee issues scare me. I’d like to see us get Fat Al back and maybe draft a late round DL-man. Please resign Babin!
LB: Worst position on the team by far. They couldn’t cover a bed effectively! I thought McRath was supposed to be a play maker? He had 1 sack this year and has looked lost in coverage. Tully was supposed to be a defensive leader, but he sat out all summer crying over his contract. Obviously he wasn’t working on his pass coverage. Witherspoon is nothing more than a band-aid on a severed leg to me. This whole unit needs to be blown up and re-tooled. Maybe see what Patrick Bailey and Tim Shaw have to offer from Special Teams? At least they can tackle well
DB: Get rid of Hope, keep ATV starting. For supposedly being a liability in coverage due to speed, he did the best job trying to run down Bowe last week. He is going to be a starter for a long time with his drive and determination. I wish he’d rub off on the rest of the D. Finny needs to clear his head and figure out how to play again because he has clearly been rattled this year. J-Mac played well in nickle situations. Griff looked good early in the year but I feel he fell off later in the year. What’s the deal with everyone going for highlight reel shots? WRAP A GUY UP! C’MON MAN! I’d like to see Vinny Fuller get a shot at SS because I always thought he was a solid player (how hard is it to move from FS to SS?). Keep Schommer, Johnson and Rolle and see what they have to offer, and for the love of God PLEASE get rid of Donnie Nickey!
ST: No complaints, I think Bironas and Kern were really great this year and Mariani does a great job with returns.
Coaching: I have always been a Jeff Fisher supporter, but I don’t see it working out for him here any longer. I dunno who we get to replace him, but I think it is important that we avoid the big name like Cower or Gruden and try and find a solid coordinator or college coach. Also, Cecil needs to go. His scheme doesn’t work and the D is suffering because of it. He may have been to vicious for the NFL back in the day, but his coordinating is too ineffective and undisciplined for the current NFL.
Just my thoughts, what a frustrating year. C’mon Titans, I know you guys can bounce back!
"Be quick, but don't hurry. Do not let what you can't do interfere with what you can." - John Wooden
Haha
That’s a valid one.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Dec 28, 2010 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
Overall, I think you nailed this one, TT.
Nice job.
What? A girl can't like AND understand football?
Shoot, I live in the South where that just comes with the territory!
Thank you, ma'am.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Dec 30, 2010 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
I'd add this
DB: Our DB’s have never been solid, Champ Bailey/Brian Dawkins type great defenders, the closest might be Griff. When they have been at their best, in 2008, and up to about week seven of this season excluding the Denver game, was when we apply dominant pressure on the QB.
So we can go one of two ways, A) Go after better secondary players.
B) Get the double team commanding DT’s Albert was, so the DE’s can get one on one matchups on the edge and get force rushed throws from the QB’s.
I think we’re all in agreement on the LB position, Tully was good, the others were not. It is a position that needs to be adressed.
TE: your all right, Cook needs to get in there, but the work needs to be put in on his end as well as the coaching staff, It’s great that he has above avg speed, but it’s tough toget him out there if he doesn’t block the run. Why do you think we had to watch Alge Crumpler double in size last year rather than Cook? He needs to step up as well to take the playing time.
I think we may have to go out and get a second RB just to get CJ back in camp, I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’ve read some pretty disturbing quotes about him wanting 30 million garaunteed, and a new deal going into 2011. So it may not be a question of being a 1-2 punch as much as a need.
QB, I’m not touching that one, I’ll just say it is a position that has cost us dearly in the past and needs to be fixed.
by Jeff Fisher's Power Stache on Jan 3, 2011 6:08 PM CST reply actions

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