Upon Further Review: Time for Jeff Fisher and Vince Young to be Gone
by Jimmy on Nov 22, 2010 8:29 AM CST
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PrintWe spent the bulk of last night's MCM Radio, listen here, talking about what went down with Vince Young yesterday during and after the loss to the Redskins. After sleeping on it, I don't think I took the right side of the argument. It seemed like I spent a lot of time defending Jeff Fisher, and that really isn't the position I want to take because I am done with both of them.
I stand by the things I said about Vince Young. He does not have the mental make-up to be an NFL quarterback right now. Will he ever? It is really hard to think that he will considering he has now been in the league 5 years and still has the problems that he did in his first couple of years. Franchise quarterbacks don't mock the crowd when they are getting booed, and they don't throw their stuff into the stands because their feelings are hurt. Vince has made numerous strides on the field, and that shows me that he has the physical ability to play the position, but he still hasn't shown that he has the mental toughness to play the position- and don't mistake that as a shot at his intelligence because it isn't.
All of that being said, it is time for Jeff Fisher to go as well. 5-5 through 10 games. Does that sound familiar to anyone? I know that the Titans could make a terrible hire and things could get worse, but the Titans have won a playoff game in 7 years. 7 years! There is not another city in the NFL where he would still have a job. The Titans are settling for mediocrity as long as they keep Fisher at the helm, and you can't really argue that. Look at the record.
Sometimes you really do need change for the sake of change. This is one of those times.
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VY should be cut today
and Fisher should be replaced after season. Or are we going full on dumpster fire and can them both today?
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I would imagine Vince goes to IR today
and Fisher finishes the season. The crazy thing is this team is only a game out in the division, and their isn’t a team that isn’t really, really flawed.
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"What if I was Peyton Manning?"- CJ to the ref after they picked up a personal foul flag for a late hit on him.
Only problem I see with Vince
on the IR, is that he is still there. Drama in the waiting
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I agree completely.
Bring on Rusty Smith!
Seriously, he’s big and he’s got a cannon. Yeah, he’s a rookie who’s prone to making crappy decisions, but that’s something you can work with. They’ve got a GREAT running game and a decent O-Line. Really, they have something to build on here, but I agree that it’s way past time for change.
Seriously, how the Hell can you have CJ AND Randy Moss and not put up ANY TDs on Offense? And that was with your starting QB at the helm—against one of the worst defenses in the League. And that doesn’t even count the Defense, which is an obvious disaster. Shit, if it wasn’t for a rookie returning kicks—a 7th rounder!—that game yesterday would have been an active BLOWOUT for the ’Skins.
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"Franchise quarterbacks don't mock the crowd when they are getting booed, and they don't throw their stuff into the stands because their feelings are hurt."
What is the story about throwing his stuff into the stands. Fisher said he heard that Vince did that. Who is the one who initially reported it? Vince denied it, but who is the one who saw it? Is there any evidence?
They are talking about it on the radio right now
It happened.
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"What if I was Peyton Manning?"- CJ to the ref after they picked up a personal foul flag for a late hit on him.
A Titans Radio intern saw it
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"What if I was Peyton Manning?"- CJ to the ref after they picked up a personal foul flag for a late hit on him.
I guess I'm just confused that they have cameras trained on him through much of the game.
But for some reason there isn’t a camera on him throwing his pads in the stands? For a situation with a history of drama and a player that was clearly upset, I don’t understand why not a single camera was on him.
I lost the rest of that.
… and yet no cameras on him after the game. When he was clearly upset and has a bit of a history of antics?
And just to be clear - I'm not saying it didn't happen.
I just haven’t heard anyone say that they saw it.
we got a very "colorful" VY fanpost
with that quite hilarious typo, and it just stuck.
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Jimmy or someone
could you see if you could find it and repost it for our good texans fan here?
HATTEN!
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speaking of radio
just heard “RANDY MOSS IS THE GUY TO LEAD THIS TIME RIGHT NOW!!!!!11”
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How awesome was that?
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"What if I was Peyton Manning?"- CJ to the ref after they picked up a personal foul flag for a late hit on him.
plus
“I believe Randy MOss <3 Rusty Smith”
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If you look on one of the NFL.com highlight videos
You can see what looks like Vince taking off his jersey and pads on the field, what that’s worth.
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by Aditya T (smashville) on Nov 22, 2010 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
Also, I guess the good news for Young is that Vick took it a step further and flicked off his own fans once.
And now he’s doing pretty well. So there’s that.
Well maybe Vince
needs some time in jail and away from the league too. That seems to be what made Vick realize playing in the NFL was a privilege and not a right. Everything that has been reported about Vick is that he’s now a workaholic, studies so much film, etc. He realizes how easily it can be taken away from you and he isn’t taking anything for granted, as I believe VY is/did
This... is a simple game. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball.
los angeles here we come
fisher won’t survive 6-10, which is about the best we can expect barring a miracle. kerry is terrible cuz he’s too old. rusty is terrible cuz he’s too young. and if we bring chris simms in, he’s just plain terrible.
this team has not shot with terrible QB play.
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by danielreese05 on Nov 22, 2010 8:46 AM CST up reply actions
I'll bet Smith surprises.
You watch: a week of 1st team reps and a game plan specifically tailored to his arm will work wonders. Plus, he’s got the Texans Defense coming at him. It could be worse.
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maybe he'll be our Colt McCoy
that I could see. anything more could be a reach.
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by danielreese05 on Nov 22, 2010 9:20 AM CST up reply actions
i'll have whatever Dannoe is having
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by hal41605 on Nov 22, 2010 9:21 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Can it get worse?
We just dropped two in a row to two of the worst teams in the NFL, and we had VY for more than half of the total snaps, and he did shit. I mean, yeah, he’s completing passes, but they still have a zillion 3-and-outs, and half the passes are for about 7 yards when he needs 8… of course, guys are letting him throw that. The guy has looked like CRAP since Kenny Britt went out, bottom line.
So, bottom line, let’s see what Smith can do? We have 6 game to figure out what to do in the draft. It’s an important question.
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"two of the worst teams in the NFL"
who are both around .500. the last two weeks were just matchups between middle-of-the-road teams.
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by danielreese05 on Nov 22, 2010 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
this can beone of the best draft classes ever if smith shows he can be the qb of this team
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I concur with this
Remember, even if Vince Young came back into the game, we were still way too close for comfort against the worst defense in the league missing two of their best players. Even if we win that game by 3 in OT, it’s not good at all.
I wonder if Fisher will walk if Bud tells him he has to play VY?
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honestly....which would you rather have happen? VY get the boot and fisher stay....or vice versa?
cause thats what it looks like it is coming down to…i seriously dont think both of them are going…it is either or…
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 8:53 AM CST up reply actions
vice versa
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How to get a Fisher Moustache.( A list of directions to Moss)
1- Pull your 84 Jersey out
2- Take the Ball Deep, and Take the Top off the Defense (Don't worry, if you can't get to it, nobody can get to it).
3- Clap once.
4- Say what you wanna say.
5- Ask if you said anything stupid that day.
6- Don't Shine Shoes! or Take Ankles.
7- If they ask why and complain, Tell them "Moss This, Moss That, MossThis MossThat.
8- Tell them that you'll come out and play today, ok Moss?
9- Your are Human and you do have Emotions.
10- Remember this is gonna be a fun ride.
11- You're Home now.
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Nov 22, 2010 8:53 AM CST up reply actions
VY gone > Fish gone
Fish can leave after the season for all I care
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I agree.
I’d rather have Fisher than Vince, at this point, if I have to choose.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Nov 22, 2010 8:54 AM CST up reply actions
i would rather have VY without Fisher and see what happens then..
"He is fast, but what I like about him is he looks like one of those track guys that actually knows how to run the ball and has good vision and patience. He is not just running at top speed. He knows when to use his speed, and he has some power and toughness, too.'' Barry Sanders about CJ2K
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 8:55 AM CST up reply actions
me too
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How to get a Fisher Moustache.( A list of directions to Moss)
1- Pull your 84 Jersey out
2- Take the Ball Deep, and Take the Top off the Defense (Don't worry, if you can't get to it, nobody can get to it).
3- Clap once.
4- Say what you wanna say.
5- Ask if you said anything stupid that day.
6- Don't Shine Shoes! or Take Ankles.
7- If they ask why and complain, Tell them "Moss This, Moss That, MossThis MossThat.
8- Tell them that you'll come out and play today, ok Moss?
9- Your are Human and you do have Emotions.
10- Remember this is gonna be a fun ride.
11- You're Home now.
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Nov 22, 2010 8:55 AM CST up reply actions
Not me
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"What if I was Peyton Manning?"- CJ to the ref after they picked up a personal foul flag for a late hit on him.
If I have to pick one or the other (perfect scenario being both gone)
I believe that Jeff Fisher has done more in his career to warrant a chance with a new quarterback than Vince Young has done in his career to warrant a chance with a new coach.
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even with no playoffs wins in 7 years....and .500 seasons??
I mean even Shannahan had to go and he won 2 Super Bowls!
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 8:56 AM CST up reply actions
I agree.
But I will take that crappy track record over a starting quarterback who continues to act like a 14 year old.
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you owuld take him over the same guy who has a great winning percentage and has 98.5 QB rating???
for a coach that continues to settle for mediocrity….
"He is fast, but what I like about him is he looks like one of those track guys that actually knows how to run the ball and has good vision and patience. He is not just running at top speed. He knows when to use his speed, and he has some power and toughness, too.'' Barry Sanders about CJ2K
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 9:01 AM CST up reply actions
How's that working out for Denver?
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 22, 2010 9:20 AM CST up reply actions
how is it working out for Washington?
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
They're 5-5 after going 4-12 the year before
You tell me?
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 22, 2010 9:22 AM CST up reply actions
how many teams are 5-5 this year or whatever and still not out of it?
this year has been crazy…so 5-5 really doesn’t equate to having success…
in the meantime…we win that game yesterday and we arent having this discussion..
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 9:24 AM CST up reply actions
The team was 4-12 last year.
They have more wins last year through 10 games than in 16 full ones last year. Surely you can’t say that Shanahan hasn’t helped that team. Even if he goes 8-8 that’s a huge improvement from the year before.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 22, 2010 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
Bet Fisher would.
I think Fisher would leave if Bud told him that VY is the future
by TitansFan4life on Nov 22, 2010 8:57 AM CST up reply actions
Before this game, I was both a Fisher supporter and a Young supporter.
Now, I’m not sure I want either on the team, as I told my friends on the way home from the game yesterday.
Vince, I’m done with. I can’t respect a person as a player who acts like that. He doesn’t have the mental fortitude or maturity to play QB at this point in his career, and he’s now blown his last chance in Tennessee. I wish him the best elsewhere.
The only way Fisher keeps his job, to me, is if he salvages this season. If we go .500 or worse after a 5-2 start, fire him. If he can keep this locker room together enough to beat Indy and Houston a time or two and maybe sneak into the playoffs, I don’t have a problem with him staying.
3 weeks ago, I felt like this team was a Super Bowl Contender. As of today, I haven’t felt this down on the team since 2005.
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by TennesseeTyrants on Nov 22, 2010 8:52 AM CST reply actions
Honestly...
I love Fisher but it’s not him who I am worried about losing. It’s Jim Washburn, and Mike Munchak. If Fisher goes… Is it a lock they go with him?
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by RhiNo6705 on Nov 22, 2010 8:53 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Probably.
It’s the nature of the beast, and it’s too bad, because we have a really good coaching staff as far as talent development goes, I think.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Nov 22, 2010 8:55 AM CST up reply actions
Ya I think they go with him
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 22, 2010 9:22 AM CST up reply actions
what realy upsets me is that...
the season isnt over yet, we are not out of the playoffs by any chance! lets see how the team reacts to all this…they can either get a spark and play harder or just give up..
TOUCHDOWN...GUESS WHO...KENNY BRITT!
i mean if we are fans...then we want the titans to win and make it to the playoffs....VY gives us that chance....
Fisher doesnt….his style of play will not get us there….at all..
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 8:54 AM CST reply actions
Vince wasn't really putting up the points against the worst defense in the league missing two of their best players yesterday.
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but he didnt exactly give the game away....you could squarely put that on the defense....
"He is fast, but what I like about him is he looks like one of those track guys that actually knows how to run the ball and has good vision and patience. He is not just running at top speed. He knows when to use his speed, and he has some power and toughness, too.'' Barry Sanders about CJ2K
Dwight Howard >The Justice League of America
by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 8:56 AM CST up reply actions
and they gave up over 300+ passing yds to a QB that was benched for rex grossman and then embarrased on National TV the next week...
"He is fast, but what I like about him is he looks like one of those track guys that actually knows how to run the ball and has good vision and patience. He is not just running at top speed. He knows when to use his speed, and he has some power and toughness, too.'' Barry Sanders about CJ2K
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 8:58 AM CST up reply actions
Which they have done all year.
It’s funny how everybody loves on the defense until VY has a meltdown. Seriously, at some point it has to be VY’s fault.
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this game could be argued
as one he lost. his stats indicate that he didn’t totally shit the bed but the fumble was crucial. without it this game was a win.
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by danielreese05 on Nov 22, 2010 9:01 AM CST up reply actions
give the D more time to rest
it’s all like splitting hairs at this point though
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by danielreese05 on Nov 22, 2010 9:03 AM CST up reply actions
and the fumble wasn't even bad
VY had it tucked in his arm, it was just a good defensive play.
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How to get a Fisher Moustache.( A list of directions to Moss)
1- Pull your 84 Jersey out
2- Take the Ball Deep, and Take the Top off the Defense (Don't worry, if you can't get to it, nobody can get to it).
3- Clap once.
4- Say what you wanna say.
5- Ask if you said anything stupid that day.
6- Don't Shine Shoes! or Take Ankles.
7- If they ask why and complain, Tell them "Moss This, Moss That, MossThis MossThat.
8- Tell them that you'll come out and play today, ok Moss?
9- Your are Human and you do have Emotions.
10- Remember this is gonna be a fun ride.
11- You're Home now.
"What do you expect from me Pwnd Kuharsky? Yeah, i thought so. Back to your hole on the ESPN AFC South blog Troll!"
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Nov 22, 2010 9:03 AM CST up reply actions
Did he have it tucked?
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He did. I just watched it on youtube.
Ice is right.
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does it even matter?
the ball ended up on the ground
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by danielreese05 on Nov 22, 2010 9:15 AM CST up reply actions
does tucked-by-VY actually mean tucked?
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its tucked as in
how all Rbs tuck it, rib-ball-arm
"Its like a bear, if you run it'll chase you. But if you stand still, it'll still chase you" ice0ne
How to get a Fisher Moustache.( A list of directions to Moss)
1- Pull your 84 Jersey out
2- Take the Ball Deep, and Take the Top off the Defense (Don't worry, if you can't get to it, nobody can get to it).
3- Clap once.
4- Say what you wanna say.
5- Ask if you said anything stupid that day.
6- Don't Shine Shoes! or Take Ankles.
7- If they ask why and complain, Tell them "Moss This, Moss That, MossThis MossThat.
8- Tell them that you'll come out and play today, ok Moss?
9- Your are Human and you do have Emotions.
10- Remember this is gonna be a fun ride.
11- You're Home now.
"What do you expect from me Pwnd Kuharsky? Yeah, i thought so. Back to your hole on the ESPN AFC South blog Troll!"
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Nov 22, 2010 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
at some point it is...but in this situation....its not completely his load to carry alone..
i have never been quoted as sayin that the defense is great….every TE in the game is licking their chops to play us because we cant defend them at all…..
"He is fast, but what I like about him is he looks like one of those track guys that actually knows how to run the ball and has good vision and patience. He is not just running at top speed. He knows when to use his speed, and he has some power and toughness, too.'' Barry Sanders about CJ2K
Dwight Howard >The Justice League of America
by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 9:03 AM CST up reply actions
Although you could also say that Fisher's offense wasn't putting up any points.
It takes both a game-plan and players to score.
Exactly why I prefer VY ride the season than Fisher.
by Los Blancos Chicca on Nov 22, 2010 9:02 AM CST up reply actions
I feel VY would give us a better chance to turn things around than Fisher would at this point.
Who will be the QB that is going to take us far with Fisher’s coaching?? None of KC, Simms or Rusty. Which is why I choose VY.
On the other hand, wouldn’t we want a good position in the draft?
This is hard. I am torn. I want to watch my team succeed.
by Los Blancos Chicca on Nov 22, 2010 9:05 AM CST up reply actions
If denver can fire shanahan
Then we can fire fish. I don’t care about longest tenured coach anymore. I’m sorry but that doesn’t mean anything at this point. We need a change.
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Vince and Fisher are both done with the Titans.
Fisher will finish out the season and that will be that most likely. I don’t see it really going any other way. Fisher had some great years but no Superbowl ring. This blow up is going to force Adams into a major decision.
mike keith nails the situation
paraphrasing:
NFL QBs have a bank with their coach and teammates that they can go to when times are tough. Steve McNair put more money in the bank than anyone by being a warrior and a leader 100% of the time. In practice, in rehab, during the offseason, and on the field, Steve was always putting money in the bank. Vince never put enough money in the bank, and has made way too many withdrawals and that’s why the coaches and some of the players are ready to move on."
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by hal41605 on Nov 22, 2010 9:00 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
but Mike Keith
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That's all probably true.
Although he tried to be a warrior yesterday and put money in the bank and was not allowed to. He was told the bank was closed.
well, that's what he gets for waiting til sunday to make a deposit
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Well, if he wanted to be a warrior so bad, he should have mentioned that to his coach.
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or not voluntarily ran off the field
and force the team to take a timeout while they have to deal with his whiney ass
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didnt he hand the ball off to CJ then come off the field??
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Dwight Howard >The Justice League of America
by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 9:05 AM CST up reply actions
Right.
If he wanted to stay in the game, then he could have just STAYED IN THE GAME to begin with.
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i am still waiting for someone to say....Vince did not ask to play....he wanted to sit on the sidelines and watch Rusty continues the game...
until then….you cant sway me into believing he didn’t want to come back in…
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 9:05 AM CST reply actions
Coach Fisher said that in his postgame
And why would he lie? He does not want to lose. He is not trying to get fired.
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if he believes he CANT get fired....then why not....this is the chance he has to get his guy in..
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 9:06 AM CST up reply actions
who is "his guy"? Rusty smith?
surely you are joking
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he said in the press conference....Rusty's our guy!
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 9:08 AM CST up reply actions
He is now.
Thanks to the 14 year old who stormed out of the locker room
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hey I am not condoning that at all....I am just saying from a football aspect....
who gives the Tennessee Titans the best opportunity to win….Jeff Fisher or Vince Young…..
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 9:10 AM CST up reply actions
HATTEN!
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Bonafidebrother isn't a troll
He’s been rocking MCM for a long time.
We don’t always have to agree about everything!
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I am not trying to be argumentative…I guess I am just playing Devil’s advocate….
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 9:12 AM CST up reply actions
You really think that Jeff Fisher thinks that Rusty Smith gives him a better chance to win than Vince Young?
Come on man.
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I do.
And at this point, I actually think he’s right. He needs someone steady at the helm, even if that person has less talent.
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not sure he thinks he can be fired
see Les Miles
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by DonFrancisco on Nov 22, 2010 9:06 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah but what's Les Miles's record this year?
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by billycthulhu on Nov 22, 2010 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
by the record....he is not trying to lose....but what is the ulterior motive here...
he always pulls VY out and we wonder why?
He puts VY in and he looks like he could have gone in the first place and we wonder why…
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 9:07 AM CST up reply actions
i don't wonder
you cannot rely on VY. he is mentally weak and emotionally unstable.
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hal...you cant say that you cant rely on him...
we relied on him for 10 weeks straight (along with CJ) to get to 8-8….
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 9:13 AM CST up reply actions
yep
he was money against the 8 bad teams we beat, and crap against the two good teams we had to beat to make the playoffs.
he can play good football at times, but the moment he actually has to be “the man” and lead he can’t handle it and eventually melts down like a child. this is the second time he has pulled this shit too. good riddance.
i mean, you really want a QB who just crumbles every time he hears boos? not me. vince is still a kid playing a man’s game.
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The way I see it is that the guy is just too emotional.
The highs are really high. And, the lows are really low. So, when the team is playing well, and he needs to be THE GUY, you’ll sometimes see him put his game in a whole other gear.
Conversely, when he’s called upon to step up and he’s playing poorly, getting boo’d, whatever, he lets it get under his skin.
it's sad, given that he has played better
but at this point it has to be considered a fatal flaw, at least as far as this team is concerned.
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Here's what I am confused about:
If VY wasn’t asking Fisher to put him back in the game, then why was VY so mad at Fisher after the game?
by JimR on Nov 22, 2010 9:10 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
because he's 5yo?
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Well, maybe, but it seems that there had to be some issue there.
And, if it wasn’t over VY wanting to be put back in, then what?
by JimR on Nov 22, 2010 9:18 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
of course VY wanted to be back in
but he had already taken himself out, and the staff has no faith in him whatsoever.
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I really wonder what happened prior to the Pittsburgh game.
This year the downfall seemed to start with that and progressively went south. It was reported that Young missed meetings, but was there more to it than that.?
Mike Keith said Vince was terrible in prep for that week
and that that is where it all started
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I just hope Rusty plays great next week
and fisher doesnt put kerry collins back in…rusty to britt will be legendary
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by Knoxvillage on Nov 22, 2010 9:07 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
and 3 interceptions
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by billycthulhu on Nov 22, 2010 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
what do you guys think
is the quickest way to clean up this mess and move on? we still have a season to play for…
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release VY
worry about Fish when season is over
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i believe if you do that....we are headed for a 5-11 season....and we wont have worry about either one....
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 9:15 AM CST up reply actions
hey....well I guess we can enjoy all of the media coverage....
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 9:16 AM CST up reply actions
fine by me
Having a 1st rounder for a qb could be a nice selling point when recruiting a new coach
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5-11 doesnt get us a quality qb in this draft.....QB Stock is low....
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 9:19 AM CST up reply actions
how many teams looking for QBs?
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Bungals most likely
I fully expect them to keep losing and get either 1,2 or 3
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by danielreese05 on Nov 22, 2010 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
do we really need to trot out the list of QBs drafted fairly late in the 1st round who are good?
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by T--Rac's Posse on Nov 22, 2010 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
no T Rac....but in this coming up draft...how many are looking like solid picks?
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 9:22 AM CST up reply actions
no idea. I dont watch college game film
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by T--Rac's Posse on Nov 22, 2010 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
not fine by me
we are one game behind in the division, with 5 divison games left…it is not the time to give up
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Ugh.
I couldn’t cheer for that guy. He ripped my heart out.
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by TennesseeTyrants on Nov 22, 2010 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
its time to call rusty
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goddamnit
got me by 5 seconds.
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by danielreese05 on Nov 22, 2010 9:15 AM CST up reply actions
IR vince trade if for what ever we can get before the draft
release him if nobody bites and decide what to do with fish when we have a final record for the 2010 season
I'd like to trade vunce
I just don’t know who would give anything we want in return
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by danielreese05 on Nov 22, 2010 9:17 AM CST up reply actions
Great post, Jimmy. I intended to put my thoughts up here this morning, but you covered them all.
At this point in his career, Vince doesn’t have the maturity to be an NFL leader. Can he change? Maybe. Vick did. Should the Titans wait around for him to grow up? No. With all the red flags, it’s too much risk. And, as a big fan of Vince, that’s really hard for me to say, but it’s just the reality of the situation. The only way he sticks around is if Fisher leaves, and I’m just not sure we’ve seen enough out of Vince to keep him around and work through another couple seasons of learning a new NFL system.
As for Fisher, the question becomes, does Jeff Fisher deserve a third rebuilding period? If you keep Fisher on board, you’re more or less committed to him for another 3 seasons because that’s how long it’s going to take to POSSIBLY become a contender again. To me, I think that’s a mistake. We know what we’ve got with Fisher after 16 years, and I think we can do better.
Move on, draft a QB in the first round, hire a new head coach, and start rebuilding.
I'd rather let him go and see him succeed
than keep him around and risk it never happening because of the broken relationship with his coach
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by danielreese05 on Nov 22, 2010 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
I would argue keeping Fisher here is a way to quicker success than starting over with both.
But that’s just me.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 22, 2010 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
Success is relative.
I think Fisher can replicate what he’s done in the past, but I don’t think he can win a Super Bowl.
That's a fair point.
I just think there will eventually come a time when we miss the Jeff Fisher era.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 22, 2010 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
Hard for those of us to buy...
when Fisher has made us long-termers actually miss the Jack Pardee era.
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by The Jade Scorpion on Nov 22, 2010 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
WOW, Listen to the Crash and Burn Here
I’ve never heard of a team’s fans in such disarray. My thoughts, I love VY, but he clearly was wrong. He needs to learn how to talk to people. If he had gone to Fisher and said, “hey, put me in”, then Fisher would’ve done it. But he just assumed Fisher knew he wanted to go in. Then throwing his pads into the stands, that was just ridiculous
how can you blame us for being in disarray?
the shit has officially hit the fan
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by danielreese05 on Nov 22, 2010 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
Now, Let's Fantasize a Little Bit. Storyline of the Year???????
VY comes back, apologizes to everyone. Fisher, teammates, fans. Says he’ll work his tail off to earn another chance, even if nobody will ever trust him again. VY sits out the Texans game, but the Titans win a close one. Then, VY comes back and the Titans finish the season 10-6, win the AFC south, and go on to win the AFC (maybe the superbowl). Wouldn’t that be a great story???? Would we still want VY gone? What more could he do to get another chance, is there anything?
You UT fan boys are really bringing your game today, and it makes me want to stab all of you
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by T--Rac's Posse on Nov 22, 2010 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
Huh?
I’m just fantasizing. probably not gonna happen. And who are you?
who am I? who are you?
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by T--Rac's Posse on Nov 22, 2010 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
What's your Deal?
What did I say to upset you? and Why you calling out UT?
don't fuck with T-Rac yo
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Yes.
Seen the movie. Got the T-Shirt. Now I need to know what to draft next season. QB or Center? Need to know now.
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sure it'd be a fantastic story
I wouldn’t want him gone because then he’d have proved to everyone here that he can win AND keep his shit together. sadly, that’s not yet the case.
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by danielreese05 on Nov 22, 2010 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
Honestly though, what has Fisher done exceptionally well to warrant him to stay head coach for this team in resent memory?
Every year is a fight to make the playoffs. It always seems like FINALLY we have all the pieces to make a run this year and we usually end up 8-8 or lose in the first round. It always seems like we are a wildcard team and if the Gods allow it we’ll squeak into the playoffs. Why does a dude like that still have a job as an NFL coach? He has lost control of the locker room. He doesn’t seem like he’s making any of the right moves right now.
I seriously don’t understand what argument anyone has as to keeping him around.
Fire Fisher?
Seriously, players respond to Fisher and he keeps the team competitive — my bar as a Tennessee Titans fan.
As for the argument that the Broncos fired Shanahan thus the Titans should fire Fisher, what the heck? For starters, that move hasn’t worked out for Denver. Secondly, that situation should have no bearing on the Titans’.
i think it was more of a comparison of if you havent done anything great in a while....its time to go...
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
Making a change just to make a change is the wrong move
In my opinion.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 22, 2010 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
hmm.....thats what Jeff Fisher did when he benched VY in the Pittsburgh game...
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
He said he was looking for a spark.
I have been angry at Fisher for that move for a long time. Now I understand why he did it.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 22, 2010 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
a spark...we all discussed early in the year that explaination was trash...
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
And know we know why Fisher doesn't trust Vince.
"I didn’t say other people. What do you expect from me, effort-wise?"
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 22, 2010 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
becasue he was never his guy....shit I dont know...he didnt put enough in the bank
he didnt play the “game” right….whatever….I am saying that he is the best chance for us to win games…
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
Who's fault is it for not putting enough in the bank?
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 22, 2010 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry, I'm not buying the "best chance to win games" argument
He’s performed decently during the time he’s been in, but he hasn’t been stellar. And yes, he is the best performing QB we have on the roster right now, but it’s not worth keeping him around if he’s going to act like this every time things don’t go his way. That might help in the short term of a particular game, but it’s not a recipe for long-term success.
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by billycthulhu on Nov 22, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
this is my viewpoint...VY still gives us the best chance to win on the FOOTBALL field...
Yes, he is immature and yes he may emotionally unstable but he gives us the best chance to win….and thats all i care about….winning.
Rusty doesn’t do that for us yet, Kerry cant do that for us anymore, and calling Chris Simms is not going to get it done…
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 9:29 AM CST reply actions
How does he give us a chance to win games
When he’s running to the locker room or sitting on the sidelines?
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 22, 2010 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
if he's in the game....he isnt on the sidelines...
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
The problem being he isn't in the game.
"I didn’t say other people. What do you expect from me, effort-wise?"
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 22, 2010 9:34 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This is very shortsighted in my opinion
A particular game does not a season make. If he can’t make it through a whole season without some kind of problem then he doesn’t give us the best chance to do well as a franchise.
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by billycthulhu on Nov 22, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
So was last night's optimism on the radio a hallucination?
I don’t know who said it last night, maybe Jimmy, but they said this team will pick up at least a few more wins because Fisher seems to do that every year. We’re 5-5 with Rusty now, maybe Collins later at the helm. Clearly that doesn’t look like it has a chance for success, but you never know. Right?
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 22, 2010 9:30 AM CST reply actions
Ugh I wish I could remember. It was with about 20 mins to go.
"I didn’t say other people. What do you expect from me, effort-wise?"
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 22, 2010 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
It was August
He is the optimist. I don’t know what game we win.
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the least vince could have done
was to meltdown AFTER collecting his free home win @ houston. jerk.
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here is a question for everyone wanting to get rid of fisher right now or even after the season.
Who do you think the titans should go after for the job.
there is Leslie Frazier, Gruden, Cowher....too many to name....
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
Gruden and Cowher?
Didn’t you JUST say Fisher should be gone because he hasn’t had recent success?
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 22, 2010 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
Cowher left because of family....and he just won a Super Bowl recently...
Gruden teams were always playoff bound until recently…
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
Dear Lord go look at Gruden's seasons as Bucs coach.
The records changed almost every year. Terrible one year, good the next.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 22, 2010 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
Jeff Fisher, Gruden, Cowher, and Shanahan
are all the same coach. The difference is that they got a bit luckier. If Fish wins the 99 Super Bowl, he is the same as those coaches. Which, to me, isn’t a good thing.
I want a younger coach who hasn’t been a head coach with creative ideas and balls. Not a retread. How many NFL coaches who won a Super Bowl are half as successful with a new team?
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by T--Rac's Posse on Nov 22, 2010 9:36 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Agreed
If we’re getting rid of Fisher (which I’m still ambivalent about but starting to lean toward getting rid of him), we have to think about why we’re doing it. So it really doesn’t make sense to hire someone else who has the same issues Fisher does. Better to take chance on a younger coach (since replacing a coach involves taking a chance anyway) who could stay with us a while if he’s successful and brings something new to the table.
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by billycthulhu on Nov 22, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
That's exactly what I want!
Just to see some creativity! We’ve been begging for that for years!
thats what i thought
gruden was handed a superbowl.
cowher i just think is an a**hole ever since he walked of the field without shaking fish’s hand after that playoff loss
Billick
that guy knows offense
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by danielreese05 on Nov 22, 2010 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
fuck. no.
and are you serious?? Baltimore SUCKED at offense his WHOLE TENURE.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Nov 22, 2010 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
umm yeah he was not an offense guru by any means...
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
he was before Baltimore
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by DonFrancisco on Nov 22, 2010 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
you mean when he had 2 of the best WRs and a top 5 RB at the time?
WOW. WHAT A GENIUS.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Nov 22, 2010 9:38 AM CST up reply actions
i am not saying billick should be the coach
i was simply passing along the thoughts of billick at the time he was hired in baltimore. Who did he have on offense in Baltimore when “they sucked at offense”?
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by DonFrancisco on Nov 22, 2010 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
well that would just prove my point
he isn’t an offensive guru.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Nov 22, 2010 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
he isnt a guru, but that didnt prove your point
you are in a foul mood today trac
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by DonFrancisco on Nov 22, 2010 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
yeah it did. my point was he isn't an offensive guru.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Nov 22, 2010 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
who were his players?
looks at this list!. winning record, winning playoff record, experience, who else then?
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by danielreese05 on Nov 22, 2010 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
Excellent article J-DUB!!
I agree completely but with the impending work stoppage. Fisher will probably be given another year. VY needs to go back to Texas so he can play intramurals and not professional football. I’m tired of VY and his NeNE leakes type drama. I hope the team sits him down for the rest of the year. Do him like the eagles did T.O a few years back pay him to stay home. I’ll hit the recommend button on this article.
This is as much Fisher's fault as VY's
As I said after the Steelers game and the Dolphins game, you do not build a great team by benching your starting QB because he throws 2 picks (Steelers game) or because you think an injured Collins is better than an injured VY. I saw this coming a long time ago…if Fisher keeps dicking around with VY, then eventually VY will erupt and do what he did yesterday.
Did VY act appropriately? Not at all…but I am more concerned with decisions made that caused us to lose the game (and the last 2 games). Those decisions fall on Jeff Fisher.
And, let’s just put Jeff Fisher in perspective: Fisher is an average coach who has an owner who just doesn’t like to change. So, yes, he is the longest-tenured coach in the league…but it’s not for his accomplishments. He has a .528 career winning percentage. That’s equivalent to 8.4 wins per year. In the past 10 years, he has had only 4 winning years (greater than .500). In the past 10 years, he has had only one playoff win.
Yes, he took a team to the Super Bowl in 1999. But, he has failed to reach the Super Bowl when his team has had one of the top 2 seeds in 2000, 2002, and 2008.
If a coach was 8-8 every year during a 10 year span with only one playoff win, then would you think he was a good coach? I don’t want an average coach that is respected…I want a coach that wins.
Just to add to some of the Fisher stats, he has a lower or about the same winning percentage as John Fox (.525 winning percentage), Jack Del Rio (.518), Lovie Smith (.550), Wade Phillips (.581), Jon Gruden (.509 in Tampa Bay, .541 overall), and Brad Childress (.543). And, yet these coaches get fired or are on the “hot seat”…yet, Fisher is respected.
Fisher is an average coach…plain and simple.
And, don’t try to say Fisher is an average coach because of VY…VY is 30-17 (.638 winning percentage) and the Titans w/o VY since 2006 are 13-14 (.481 winning percentage). The Titans are better with VY at QB…I don’t think the Titans are better with Fisher at head coach.
I think VY needs to Hold a Press Conference Soon
And he needs to be humbled. Apologize to everyone, give back his “C”, he is not worthy. Let people know he’s still working on maturity, that he’s a work in progress. And then beg for another chance. That’s what would be best. That way, even if he’s done in Tennessee, another team will jump on him in the offseason. He needs to be humbled though
How many would you give Randy Moss?
I mean, I’d give him another chance given the situation. The only way the TItans make the playoffs is if VY comes back and gets his act together or Rusty plays lights out. Which of those is more likely?
Randy Moss isn't a work in progress
He was the best WR in the game for a good 6 year stretch
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by T--Rac's Posse on Nov 22, 2010 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
Right now
Rusty playing lights out has a better chance of VY coming back, getting his shit together, and playing for the Titans
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He's 27. How long until he is no longer a work in progress?
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by T--Rac's Posse on Nov 22, 2010 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
His game has developed tremendously
But some players take a bit longer. Look at Michael Vick, T.O., Randy Moss, on and on. Many talented players have problems handling adversity. I’m not saying you have to accept it, I’m saying he needs to realize and admit it. He needs to admit that he is not a leader, not a captain, not mature. He’s got some soul searching to do.
TO and RANDY MOSS weren't works in progress
they were great on the field.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Nov 22, 2010 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
He's run out of chances.
"I didn’t say other people. What do you expect from me, effort-wise?"
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 22, 2010 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
He gets as many chances as he needs
Because our alternative is a rookie that looks like a 12 year old kid or a broken Kerry Collin, which means he worse then a healthy Kerry Collins, which makes me want to throw up.
And I already have 2 VY Jerseys, I really don’t want to have to buy new ones.
So we have a rookie that looks like a 12 year old or a 5 year vet who acts like a 12 year old.
I’ll take the rookie.
And yeah, that was too easy.
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Well, VY is clearly the best QB
Available right now. Again, I think he just needs to man up and apologize. Put himself back in his place. It doesn’t matter if the fans like him. I’d be interested to see Fisher’s press conference today.
It doesn’t matter if the fans like him.
The problem is it matters to Vince, which is part of why we are in this predicament
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by T--Rac's Posse on Nov 22, 2010 9:44 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah but the rookie..
The rookie comes in cold and throws a pass to a double covered Moss, yet VY can’t find him open on the field(per Coach F). Injury or no injury time for a change.
VY was 12-16
And the fans boo because he didn’t throw to MOSS? That’s just stupid. He’s completing 75% of his passes (although he missed 2 really big ones), and all we care about is Moss getting the ball thrown to him
we care about beating a shitty Redskins team, which VY wasn't doing.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Nov 22, 2010 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
i have two VY jerseys too, but im already thinking about scraping the name plate.
luckily i like the number 10 even before VY. I used it on my create a player on Madden. lol
Dude get a personalized
Dude get a personalized, Titans jersey if you like the number 10. That is the way to go. players come and go but your uni is always current and always a Titan.
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I have a personalized jersey
with my high school football number and my name.
THAT’S the way to go.
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So your argument for keeping him is that you have his jerseys.
I wonder if the Russell jersey guys in Oakland feel the same way.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 22, 2010 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
Adam Schefter just tweeted that VY DID NOT throw his pads in the stands.....
He gave it to the Titans EVP’s daughter…..so Jeff goes to the press conference spouting bullcrap and not facts…
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 9:40 AM CST reply actions
I'll believe the eyewitnesses over Adam Schefter.
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
do you know the eye witness?
at this point I dont think we can beleive anything…we know nothing
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I believe the local media guys who witnessed it and have no reason to lie
Over a national media guy who is just reporting what the offender told him.
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^ this
they talked about this all morning on the radio. Seems pretty much to be VY-pissed-and-launched-his-shit-into-the-stands
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And the equipment guys and security had to go into the stands and get it all back
They aren’t making this stuff up.
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then where are the pictures of them fighting for it like we saw with the Brandon jacobs incident???
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
I'll have to see the tweet to believe it
But it it’s true, whew!!, that’ll make the situation a bit less bad.
because a tweet means it's true?
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by T--Rac's Posse on Nov 22, 2010 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
only chirps tell the truth
tweets are too ambiguous
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Because If I see that Adam Schefter tweeted it then I’ll know at least that the report is true. Doesn’t mean that it’s true that it actually happened that way.
so you are saying that Schefter would report this if he didn't believe it was true?
just gonna give some random bit of information….and not have facts to back it up?
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
wouldn't be the first time, dude
adam schefter got frozen out of NFL Network for some questionable reporting
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by T--Rac's Posse on Nov 22, 2010 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
and they picked up Jason LaCanfora who was practically banned from the Redskins for lack of reporting skill and accuracy..
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
Schefter is reporting what Vince Young told him
Not what he saw
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You know who could set the record straight about that?
Vince. Go talk to the media yesterday instead of running away like a baby.
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by Jimmy on Nov 22, 2010 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll Find you on your Worse Day
After a hard day at work, an argument with the family, and everything going downhill (in your mind), and then I’ll ask you for a press conference. Or, just one day when you’re pissed at your boss, I’ll throw a camera in your face and ask you to talk about your day at work. What would you do?
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jimmy isn't paid 8 figures to put up with that stuff
vince is.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Nov 22, 2010 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
You Could Make the same Argument the other way, right?
Fisher is paid millions to win, yes or no? On the field, VY gives the team the best chance to win (assuming he can figure out how to throw with the hurt thumb), yes or no? So Fisher has to put up with VY’s crap and win just as much as VY has to put up with his crap to play.
not really. the coach is paid to win, but along with that he is paid to make the decisions on how to win
if he feels like VY doesnt give him the best shot because of VYs maturity, he has the right to make that decision. It could get him fired if it doesn’t work out, but he doesn’t have to put up with anything from VY if he doesn’t want to. Your logic holds no water whatsoever.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Nov 22, 2010 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
I'm Not Saying FIsher "Has" to Put up with VY
But VY doesn’t have to put up with Fisher either. Just like VY is an idiot for throwing a temer-tantrum Fisher had repeatedly shown that he does not like VY, so why does VY have to sit by quietly and say nothing?
because that's what VY is paid to do
VY does has to put up with Fisher if he wants to be the QB. it isn’t equal ground here. Coach is the boss of the player.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Nov 22, 2010 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
because he's the QB?
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I have had terrible days at work
I even had a day where I got called out in front of everyone else in the office for something that wasn’t actually my fault. I didn’t storm out, and I didn’t throw anything. Had you come up to me for a comment I would have been able to pull myself together enough to not look like a baby because this is my job, and I need it to support my family. Acting like Vince did would have made me lose my job.
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by Jimmy on Nov 22, 2010 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll find you on a bad day at work
And tell you to keep doing your job. Because that’s what most people are expected to do.
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by billycthulhu on Nov 22, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
here is the tweet word for word...
@Adam_Schefter
Adam Schefter
Vince Young didn’t throw jersey into stands; he gave it to Titans EVP Don MacLachlans daughter. “She’s been very supportive of me,” he said.
"He is fast, but what I like about him is he looks like one of those track guys that actually knows how to run the ball and has good vision and patience. He is not just running at top speed. He knows when to use his speed, and he has some power and toughness, too.'' Barry Sanders about CJ2K
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 9:43 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
HMMmmm. Sounds like he's talked to VY
I wonder if VY will be made available to the media anytime soon. I also wonder if Bud and Fisher will talk.
probably already talked....supposed to have conference call today...
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
Who?
Is VY having a conference call or Adam Schefter?
the ownership and the team management
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
Damage Control
I think Vince is fully aware that he may have killed his career yesterday. I could believe him about the jersey, but why send your pads into the bleachers?
When you watch the highlights, you can clearly see Vince standing on the sidelines with his pads on..
somebody is going to see this action and take a picture, NFL security is going to investigate the matter and this is going to be made known publicly….
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
You see,
Last night Vince said that he still had the pads. So he is lying, either to Schefter or on his tweet yesterday.
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by Aditya T (smashville) on Nov 22, 2010 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
he gave away the jersey not the pads,smash....
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
Schefter also said
That Vince ADMITTED to throwing his pads into the stands on ESPN this morning.
by asbestos_man on Nov 22, 2010 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
cuz she’s done some pretty crazy stuff before, too.
by titansfan4ever on Nov 22, 2010 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
thats a stretch
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CLEARLY.......
I need to be pharmacisted!!!!!
by titansfan4ever on Nov 22, 2010 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
So, If VY didn't throw his pads into the stands
And all he did was storm out after the game, which other players have done (The FREAK last year, Griffin at practice a couple years back), then does he get another chance? Or is his season over no matter what the he said she said goes through.
If none of that happened, then we aren't talking about this today
And you will notice that you never saw Jevon Kearse again. And I don’t remember MikeGriff ever doing anything remotely similar to this. Link please.
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He was just never activated again, his talent was lacking. But he had other interviews and all that good stuff. And I can’t remember when the Michael Griffin story was, but he was fighting at practice,and he ended up leaving because he couldn’t calm down.
Practice vs. game. Safety vs. QB. washed up DE vs. QB
Vince, like every QB in the NFL, is held to a much higher standard and should be.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Nov 22, 2010 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
VY's not gonna be cut.
He’ll be put on IR. It’ll be exactly the same.
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Dude, listen....
nobody loves VY more than I do, OK? But it’s clear that he had a meltdown yesterday….and then cussing Fisher in the lockeroom….there is NO way he can stay….he made SURE of that. Time to move on.
by titansfan4ever on Nov 22, 2010 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
That may be True
But, I love VY also and I’d love to see this become a comeback story, this year. The Titans clearly want to win, now. That’s why they got Randy Moss. And if VY indeed can come back and play, he is the best QB on the team, hands down. I know he’s blown several chance before and he disrespected Fisher, and he doesn’t deserve another chance. I can’t argue that. I’m saying, if he somehow does get one and he wins, then it would be an amazing story.
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by billycthulhu on Nov 22, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
any other UT fans that is
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by billycthulhu on Nov 22, 2010 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, and I feel their pain, too.
But….VY dug his own grave with the way that he handled the situation yesterday. It’s like I keep preaching to my son, who pitches…YOU HAVE TO KEEP YOUR COMPOSURE!!!!! You’re not always gonna get the corners called…hell, you might even throw one right down the middle and not get a strike called…you can’t let it get to you…PERIOD!!!
by titansfan4ever on Nov 22, 2010 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
Kearse never got another chance after that incident, and he has way more positive history with the team.
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Jimmy, you stole my headline
I agree 100 percent. They both need to go.
how did he steal your headline when he is the chief editor of the blog?
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by T--Rac's Posse on Nov 22, 2010 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
damn t-rac
didn’t you eat an extra serving of Crankies this morning?
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innocent question, i thought
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by T--Rac's Posse on Nov 22, 2010 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
and yes. the crankies tasted like my favorite team, once 5-2, imploding in on itself
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by T--Rac's Posse on Nov 22, 2010 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
this is a true story
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t-rac is needed in this time of great sorrow
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by DonFrancisco on Nov 22, 2010 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
Vince is done
Fisher’s job will be decided by what happens with this team based on what happens with the last 6 games. 5-11, 6-10, 7-9 Fisher is probably done. 8-8, 9-7 is a toss-up. If Fisher rallies the team to a 10-6 or 11-5 record or just makes the playoffs he is going to be the coach of this team next year. We will draft a QB in the first round or pick up a free agent that fits the system and Vince will be playing UFL.
Honestly, I'd be fine keeping Vince if the new coach wanted him
Say we hire some young OC as our head coach and he says “I want Vince around because I want to have a creative and dynamic offense, and I think I can create that with Vince”. I’d give that a shot.
I guess what I am saying is it makes no sense to me to fire Fisher, bring in a new guy, and not let him decide who he wants for his players.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Nov 22, 2010 10:02 AM CST reply actions
I don't see how you can keep him.
He’s a fifth year pro who is 27-28 years old who obviously doesn’t get “it.” He might have “it” on the field, but he can’t stay healthy and can’t lead a team. I’ve been a VInce Young supporter and fan since day one and after yesterday’s reports, I am absolutely done with his crap.
by asbestos_man on Nov 22, 2010 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
I agree in theory, but I also would like to let the new coach (assuming we get one) make the call
I think it’d be stupid to cut Vince and fire everybody. Keep the roster intact until the new regime is in and let them make their own evaluations.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Nov 22, 2010 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
I think it's the same as Mike Vick pre-jailtime
Vick picked up the label as a coach killer for his inability to truly learn an offense and his immature actions away from the game. I had flashbacks to Vick flicking off the Atlanta crowd when Vince was hyping up the crowd to boo more.
by asbestos_man on Nov 22, 2010 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
A wise man once said
I don’t want to give Vince the satisfaction of being a coach killer
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by T--Rac's Posse on Nov 22, 2010 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
No VY, No Fisher
Ive backed both of them….but its time for them to go! Its like when your buddy breaks up with a girl you knew was wrong for him. You tell him yeah that bitch was crazy, but you seemed happy! This is a bit exciting thinking about who is gonna lead this team in the future both aat QB and Head Coach. Go Titans!
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by MexicanTitanFreak on Nov 22, 2010 10:05 AM CST reply actions
After the game I sent a text to my friend on the sorry state of our team
But now I have no idea what to do. I’m more worried about losing Munchak and Washburn as so much of our talent derives from their work.
One Positive Note From Yesterday
All the Titans players, given every chance, refused to bash VY or Fisher. That’s amazing. I would think that one player would have went off and let’em have it. VY is lucky to have the locker room that he has, he will realize that real quick if he gets moved somewhere else.
Schefter said the Fisher ordered no one to talk about it.
by asbestos_man on Nov 22, 2010 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
IF true
might show who the players might think is right, by honoring a coach’s request. I f he was wrong or they did not like him….surely somone who have talked!
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by MexicanTitanFreak on Nov 22, 2010 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
then who is the source that Jim Wyatt got his info from...
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
i assuming that order would have gone for everyone in the locker room at that time?
"He is fast, but what I like about him is he looks like one of those track guys that actually knows how to run the ball and has good vision and patience. He is not just running at top speed. He knows when to use his speed, and he has some power and toughness, too.'' Barry Sanders about CJ2K
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
If the person who witnessed it was still in the locker room when he gave the order
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thats the only way they would have known what was said because the locker room was closed to the press...
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
more than just players in a locker room
Bobby Booche’?
by asbestos_man on Nov 22, 2010 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
but still the order would have applied to everyone in the locker room....
"He is fast, but what I like about him is he looks like one of those track guys that actually knows how to run the ball and has good vision and patience. He is not just running at top speed. He knows when to use his speed, and he has some power and toughness, too.'' Barry Sanders about CJ2K
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
I'm just saying
If it is hitting the fan and your some NFL films camera tech, you are not under any obligation to keep your mouth shut.
by asbestos_man on Nov 22, 2010 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
then if thats the case you best believe some video is coming out of this...
"He is fast, but what I like about him is he looks like one of those track guys that actually knows how to run the ball and has good vision and patience. He is not just running at top speed. He knows when to use his speed, and he has some power and toughness, too.'' Barry Sanders about CJ2K
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
This sucks
and its a bit refreshing at the same time!
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by MexicanTitanFreak on Nov 22, 2010 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
It doesn't Matter
In many locker rooms, the players would have been really fed up with VY’s crap and would have come to Fisher’s defense (see Alber haynesworth and Redskins). Not only did they not bash, VY, but they all said they had his back and stuff like “hopefully he can come back”. That’s a good teammate and friend right there. Shouldnt be taken for granted.
"they all"
who? Griff and Bo?
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Nate Washington too
That’s the only ones I heard mention it.
all these guys said what they were supposed to say
CJ and Nate don’t need the drama, and imo, have no real reason to stand up for VY.
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Fisher might not get fired
But he might quit. After having to put up with Bud “Vince is our guy” Adams, why would he stay?
It’s pretty obvious he was right, and Bud was wrong.
Provided this season doesn't devolve into a total disaster...
Fisher gets to play out his contract with a chance to reorganize the QB position. The sad part about this is that this team could have truly used some first round LB help (or center cough cough), but now we are firmly in the round one QB derby.
by asbestos_man on Nov 22, 2010 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
We could get Kolb
But yeah, this has long term consequences, regardless.
Too bad, as the Colts are on the decline now. We coulda been a contender….
by Rustmeister on Nov 22, 2010 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
Simms
For some reason, I really hope they don’t re-sign Simms. He’s had his chances. Who else is out there? Jamarcus Russell? This is a nightmare – beat by a team without a QB, then by a team with a 52 year old QB whose own coach admits he’s out of shape.
okay....he did do it...Gramsey was right...he did throw the pads in the stand and security got them back.
Gramsey was right.
"He is fast, but what I like about him is he looks like one of those track guys that actually knows how to run the ball and has good vision and patience. He is not just running at top speed. He knows when to use his speed, and he has some power and toughness, too.'' Barry Sanders about CJ2K
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 10:16 AM CST reply actions
i didnt excuse him from that act of immaturity....but this seems like it was a whole lot more than just yesterday...
here is the link
"He is fast, but what I like about him is he looks like one of those track guys that actually knows how to run the ball and has good vision and patience. He is not just running at top speed. He knows when to use his speed, and he has some power and toughness, too.'' Barry Sanders about CJ2K
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
Wow. That's a video everyone should watch.
According to Schefter, Vince called him after the game to give him his side of the story…
he went outside of the Nashville Media to get his point across...
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
He needed to talk to somebody who had not witnessed his meltdown(s).
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So he is a liar.
Cause he sho did tweet that he didn’t throw his pads.
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just to add to that....Jeff Fisher was asked if he saw the xray of the torn tendon...
he said he saw it when VY was coming off the sideline? Is that possible?
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by Bonafidebrother on Nov 22, 2010 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
They took him to the locker room and he had xrays before he came back out
So I am guessing that is possible
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That's not what he Tweeted
He said that had his pads – which he does – Stadium Security retrieved them for him.
by JimR on Nov 22, 2010 10:31 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I could have sworn that he tweeted that he did not throw them
Somebody quoted it on here. I will look for it.
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vince tweeted last night that he had his pads, now he is saying he gave them away? If he gave them away why would security retrieve them?Hmmmm
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by MexicanTitanFreak on Nov 22, 2010 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
He gave away his jersey
not his pads. He admitted to throwing his pads into the stands.
Its all confusing
he said she said….what a bummer!
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by MexicanTitanFreak on Nov 22, 2010 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
I can't see it... what does it show?
by Los Blancos Chicca on Nov 22, 2010 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
It's Schefter talking about Vince calling him to tell him why he is frustrated
He told Schefter that he was upset that he didn’t start in Miami. Which means he did something for Fisher to not start him there too. (like miss meetings and/or treatment)
He said he gave his jersey to Don McLachlan’s daughter
He said he threw his pads into the stands and then tried to rationalize it with “I usually throw my hat and wristbands into the stands after games.” Cause that is the same thing.
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by Los Blancos Chicca on Nov 22, 2010 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
It's Schefter talking about Vince calling him to tell him why he is frustrated
He told Schefter that he was upset that he didn’t start in Miami. Which means he did something for Fisher to not start him there too. (like miss meetings and/or treatment)
He said he gave his jersey to Don McLachlan’s daughter
He said he threw his pads into the stands and then tried to rationalize it with "I usually throw my hat and wristbands into the stands after games." Cause that is the same thing.
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to sum it up
Schefter says you can hear how frustrated Vince was because he feels that Fisher never supported him. Vince admitted to throwing his shoulder pads into the stands, but says he gave jersey away and says he routinely gives away jersey, cleats, wristbands, etc. Vince is going to have an MRI this morning on the thumb.
by asbestos_man on Nov 22, 2010 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
too bad it's his own fault
for continually getting himself in the dog house
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can't argue with you
I had a meltdown like this when I was a senior in high school playing football. I was called out for missing the time on a 110 yard sprint in 100 degree heat. I got pissed and pretty much called BS on a coach that I didn’t get along with. He came over and said I could accept the situation, quit, or get my ass beat for being disrespectful. I sucked it up and finished because football was more important to me than being right. I think Vince thinks that being right is what will save him here and he is dead wrong.
by asbestos_man on Nov 22, 2010 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
That's life man. It's how it is
It’s life and it’s football. I had the same conversation with a 7th grader at the school I work at.
Being right doesn’t always mean anything. You have to learn to win people to your side and overcome any negative feelings they have towards you.
Throwing a fit just proves them right.
You were an 17/18 year old kid....
…playing a sport just for the fun of it, and you figured it out.
Vince is a 27 year old man who is playing football as his JOB, and making millions of dollars to do it, and he can’t seem to figure out this simple life lesson.
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by TennesseeTyrants on Nov 22, 2010 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
^ this
I was in Vince’s situation this year, lost some time due to a separated shoulder and turf toe, got basically bitch slapped by my coaches by not putting me back in when I was healthy, but it comes down to sucking it up. I got pissed, in fact I almost quit, but football is much more important to me than proving an asshole or two wrong.
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by danielreese05 on Nov 22, 2010 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
"he feels that Fisher never supported him"
And support him he didn’t.
key points:
he admits to throwing shoulder pads into crowd, and thus lying about it during his little twitter tantrum yesterday.
he felt like he was healthy enough to start against miami. (too bad he didn’t think he was healthy enough to practice)
he made absolutely no denial that he had a complete melt down and ran out on his teammates, boss and the responsibilities of a job he is paid outrageously for.
he called adam schefter, who will crawl on hands and knees across broken glass to break a story, so he can have a sympathetic outlet after bitching out on post game interviews.
did i miss anything? vince should do himself a favor and just shut up until the next team calls. he can only make himself look worse, which is what he always does around reporters.
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by MexicanTitanFreak on Nov 22, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
" thus lying about it during his little twitter "
He never said he didn’t throw the pads. He said he had the pads. Which is true because stadium security got them back. http://twitter.com/vinceyoung10#
he told people not to believe what they "here"(sic)
about him throwing his pads in the stands. he has since admitted that he did throw his pads in the stands, and he deleted that tweet. he was lying because, again, vince is not a mature adult. he stormed off and ran to twitter, like a pre-teen who just got grounded.
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wow, seriously?
So we can all applaud him for not technically lying. Instead he decided to just be deceitful by implying that he didn’t throw his pads into the stands.
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by billycthulhu on Nov 22, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
VINCE DID PRACTICE BEFORE THE MIAMI GAME
So please stop saying he didn’t practice. He did…there was one report of him missing the rehab and a meeting…but there was no meeting during the bye week and Coach Fisher excused him from the rehab.
And, he never said that the didn’t throw his shoulder pads…he said that he had his shoulder pads.
Just, please do not report inaccuracies.
by shawneriksmith on Nov 22, 2010 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Come on man
He was obviously trying to lead you to believe that he didn’t throw his should pads. Why else would he say to not believe everything you hear (edited)?
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"What if I was Peyton Manning?"- CJ to the ref after they picked up a personal foul flag for a late hit on him.
I am just stating that he never "admit to throwing his shoulder pads"
People report things here that are not accurate…you can say that he implied it, sure, that’s fine. But, don’t say that he admitted to it.
And, many people here keep saying that he didn’t practice before the Miami game…which HE DID. I posted links already in the comments section.
I just want an accurate account of what has gone on.
by shawneriksmith on Nov 22, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
I will keep saying that
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"What if I was Peyton Manning?"- CJ to the ref after they picked up a personal foul flag for a late hit on him.
Vince said he was giving jersey to EVP's daughter.
by Longhornlegend on Nov 22, 2010 10:24 AM CST via mobile reply actions
And he also said he threw his pads into the stands
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I am also ready for them both to be gone
For Fisher, I have already wanted him gone for a while, so this is just adding fuel.
As for VY, his maturity is obviously a huge flaw with him, and you can’t have that when you are supposed to be a team captain and arguably the face of the franchise. Time for change
Patrick Peterson= Next Deion Sanders. Julio Jones sucks.
Say What you Want About VY Drama!
But it’s good for press huh. Not bad for those of us who have jobs, but I’m sure the Tennessean and other websites and newspapers are getting a lot more views today.
The best case scenario for this worst case status quo:
I am just thinking of a solution that benefits every body. Fisher made mistakes. VY made mistakes, but I do care about them both.
If Fisher goes right now, he doesn’t have much to worry about because several teams need a coach and a lot of fans and franchise owners respect him and would take him.
If VY remains right now just till the end of the season, he gets a chance to make himself marketable, and allows whoever comes in as interim coach to have a chance at somewhat salvaging this season.
Considering we may have a lockout next year… and the QB draft (from what the more knowledgable people on this blog are saying) isn’t that rich…. this might be a better solution for now…
I don’t know… I am rambling because I am frustrated that I am sitting in Ottawa and can’t do anything about this team.
At this point, both are so wrong and we need a change. I think as fans most of us reached our limit.
by Los Blancos Chicca on Nov 22, 2010 10:53 AM CST reply actions
A few points
1.) Steve McNair may have made some deposits, but even with all of his dedication and hard work, Jeff Fisher was always looking for an excuse to give someone else the starting job. Fisher didn’t want McNair, fought to keep Chris Chandler, then fought to start Neil O’Donnell. I don’t think deposits and withdrawls actually mattered; I just think it makes for a nice talking point for the “protect Jeff Fisher at all costs” crowd.
2.) Eight years without a playoff victory is far beyond the threshold of not meeting the minimum performance requirements. No coach should be able to survive such a ridiculous stretch of underperfoming.
3.) Fisher is passive-aggressive, which is why many of VY’s teammates are on his side. Everyone knows how a passive-aggressive person can prod and poke someone to their breaking point, and Fisher is a pro at it. He is not “professional” because you don’t see him on camera acting like Mike Tyson, he is just very good at being a calculating, passive-aggressive person used to getting his way by using those tactics.
Jeff Fisher has to go, and a new era with a new philosophy must begin. If VY has to go, too, to make it happen, so be it. But whatever it takes at this point to finally move on from being told we must be satisfied with perpetual mediocracy is okay with me. The next coach will be forced to bring results, and that sheer demand for actual results is worth the change alone.
Can the Fish, let’s move on.
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by The Jade Scorpion on Nov 22, 2010 11:08 AM CST reply actions
I am with you on getting rid of Fisher
but he didn’t keep looking for ways to get O’Donnell in the game after 99.
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Agree with Jimmy
Revisionist history there. Fisher and McNair were pretty tight after 99.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Nov 22, 2010 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
let's be clear about something
I wish Jeff Fisher and Vince Young nothing but good will in the future and I’m glad we had them, but I just don’t want them near this team right now.
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Next year's QB....
I hear Brett Favre will be available………
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by The Jade Scorpion on Nov 22, 2010 11:54 AM CST reply actions
I threw up in my mouth a little, when I read that.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Nov 22, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
Never
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Yeah.
Rusty Smith is gonna throw for 350 next week. His second play from scrimmage will be a play-action TD to Randy Moss. And you guys will hit the floor with your jaws.
After that… no.
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4 of those 7 have been a failed VY experiment and 2 was Salary cap hell. His 1st year was after they team dumped thier stars. 2nd was With a young Mcnair. the Few years following that was a lame duck team that didn’t have a home field. He built a team of cast offs and mid to late round picks into a superbowl team when they finally had a home. 1 year after the superbowl was injury riddled team. then the next few years came playoff teams. keep in mind that it was fisher how let Ray Lewis have that catch up but beloved Eddie George.
And now the last few years he had to deal with a QB who thinks he is above his coach.
The 0-6 start could have easily been a 4-2 start. that is how close those games where (minus new england) were litterally one to two plays in those games were the difference.
So I’m not ready to can him. I say send VY packing and see what happens
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