Tennessee Titans Daily Links: You May See A Dumpster And A Fire, But This Isn't A Dumpster Fire Edition
by August West on Nov 15, 2010 11:01 AM CST
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Jay Glazer reported yesterday before the game that some players in the Tennessee Titans locker room where none to thrilled with the fact that Vince Young decided not to stay around and get treatments on his ankle over the bye week so that he could go to Austin for the opening of his new steakhouse. Young wasn't required by the team to stay in town, and I have serious doubts that anything other than time is really going to help his high-ankle sprain. Still, it's not a good sign that people within the locker room are talking about it to people outside of the locker room. I'm not reading too much into this story at this point, but it's worth keeping an eye on it.
Here's what Fisher said when asked about the decision to start Kerry Collins over Vince Young:
(On if Vince Young was close to be the starter today because he was feeling better)
"Yea, he was close. We wanted to give him another week, [because] we didn’t want to have any setbacks. We didn’t want to reinjure the ankle and then have the case where he was setback for another two, three, four weeks. So that was the thought going in [and] that is why we made the decision. Fortunately he came through it. He was moving around, ran around, [and] played hard. I would have to say he will probably be a little sore over the next couple of days, but he is back and ready to play."
Looks like it's going to take a little longer for the Titans to work in Randy Moss than we hoped. The unfair part of the stats chronicling Moss' debuts with new teams is that the only time one of those debuts was a mid-season situation was with the Vikings, and we all know Brett Favre doesn't follow game plans, read defenses or try to rind open receivers. He's more of a eff-it and chuck-it type QB... that's why he's not a good football player anymore. This week Vince should have a full week to work with Moss, and I get the feeling those two will be doing the extra work outside of practice that Vince and Britt have done for the past year.
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Jump for more on Randy Moss and the gaping whole in the middle of this defense...
Still sucks. At some point this defense is going to have to cover the middle of the field and find a way to cover a TE, even if it's by putting someone like Fuller/Hope/Verner on him and taking the hit in run defense.
Fisher said Moss was too tired for the final play, which is a stupid thing to say even if it's the truth.
Chris Johnson credited his 6.9 YPC performance to the effect Moss had on the Dolphins defense. So, at least Randy was able to help us out in some way.
The New York Times' William Rhoden profiles Vince Young and all that he's done for Steve McNair's kids.
Kerry Collins' calf injury could prevent him from going back out there and floating terrible passes with his wrecked throwing hand. As such, expect to see the Titans reach-out to Chris Simms, though UT fans are more interested in seeing if Tyler Bray has an older brother... Patrick Ramsey was an obvious choice as well, but he's rumored to be the Dolphins first choice.
So we dropped a bad one to the Dolphins, and it sure does still suck. That being said, I still think this is a 10-6 team, and here's how they get there:
Stomp Washington in a bounce back game, finish the sweep with Jax, sweep Houston, split with indy, and they can still drop the KC game as the remaining disappointing performance on the schedule.
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It's time to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of gum.
by SouthTexasTitan on Nov 15, 2010 11:05 AM CST reply actions
Stomp Washington in a bounce back game, finish the sweep with Jax, sweep Houston, split with indy, and they can still drop the KC game as the remaining disappointing performance on the schedule.
that is comforting. though i expect to win that kc game (much like i did the miami one), and probably get torched by houston one game with the bend-dont-break defence
well toss it up
maybe one of their DB’s will bat it into our receiver’s hands
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by SouthTexasTitan on Nov 15, 2010 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
man their D is so amazingly hillaioursly bad
it’s week 10, and they’ve still given-up 24 or more points in EVERY game. They can’t even successfully defend a hail mary.
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by August West on Nov 15, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
Who would you pick to guard him?
i say G-mac or vinny
in nickel maybe vinny or verner
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How to get a Fisher Moustache.( A list of directions to Moss)
1- Pull your 84 Jersey out
2- Take the Ball Deep, and Take the Top off the Defense (Don't worry, if you can't get to it, nobody can get to it).
3- Clap once.
4- Say what you wanna say.
5- Ask if you said anything stupid that day.
6- Don't Shine Shoes! or Take Ankles.
7- If they ask why and complain, Tell them "Moss This, Moss That, MossThis MossThat.
8- Tell them that you'll come out and play today, ok Moss?
9- Your are Human and you do have Emotions.
10- Remember this is gonna be a fun ride.
11- You're Home now.
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Nov 15, 2010 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
He doesn't seem very big (as in bulky). I'd match up Verner/McCourty most of the game.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 15, 2010 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
yeah your right
maybe thats why he hasn’t taken Hope’s spot yet. and i’d say Verner, because McCourty is a lil bigger and faster than verner, he’ll be needed on the outside
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How to get a Fisher Moustache.( A list of directions to Moss)
1- Pull your 84 Jersey out
2- Take the Ball Deep, and Take the Top off the Defense (Don't worry, if you can't get to it, nobody can get to it).
3- Clap once.
4- Say what you wanna say.
5- Ask if you said anything stupid that day.
6- Don't Shine Shoes! or Take Ankles.
7- If they ask why and complain, Tell them "Moss This, Moss That, MossThis MossThat.
8- Tell them that you'll come out and play today, ok Moss?
9- Your are Human and you do have Emotions.
10- Remember this is gonna be a fun ride.
11- You're Home now.
"What do you expect from me Pwnd Kuharsky? Yeah, i thought so. Back to your hole on the ESPN AFC South blog Troll!"
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Nov 15, 2010 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
wha??
"Its like a bear, if you run it'll chase you. But if you stand still, it'll still chase you" ice0ne
How to get a Fisher Moustache.( A list of directions to Moss)
1- Pull your 84 Jersey out
2- Take the Ball Deep, and Take the Top off the Defense (Don't worry, if you can't get to it, nobody can get to it).
3- Clap once.
4- Say what you wanna say.
5- Ask if you said anything stupid that day.
6- Don't Shine Shoes! or Take Ankles.
7- If they ask why and complain, Tell them "Moss This, Moss That, MossThis MossThat.
8- Tell them that you'll come out and play today, ok Moss?
9- Your are Human and you do have Emotions.
10- Remember this is gonna be a fun ride.
11- You're Home now.
"What do you expect from me Pwnd Kuharsky? Yeah, i thought so. Back to your hole on the ESPN AFC South blog Troll!"
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Nov 15, 2010 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
I'm afraid it's going to be more like " split with Houston and get swept by Indy ".
But I hope A-Dub’s prediction is right….and not mine!!
by titansfan4ever on Nov 15, 2010 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
About the Jay Glazer bit
It sounded more like what the thought of the situation than things actually said by the players
I'm not a VY fanboy, I'm a VY supporter
No, he reported it as a source
and he is credible
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by T--Rac's Posse on Nov 15, 2010 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
since fans like so much sats, here is a moss stat to make everybody feel good
in each of his past 4 starts with a new team where moss had great games he never won a ring with them…maybe this time the starting slow can lead to a big finish with a new piece of jewlery
TOUCHDOWN...GUESS WHO...KENNY BRITT!
Did Simms somehow outplay Rusty Smith during camp?
‘Cause at this point, I think I’d prefer to see what the rookie with the cannon-arm can do to either KC or Simms. I mean, he can AT LEAST heft up a jump ball for Moss, and that’s MORE than either of those other guys managed yesterday.
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Me too.
Rusty is third on the depth chart. If he’s forced to play, I wouldn’t move Simms ahead of him. Let’s face it, our chances of winning are slim with both Simms and Smith, so you might as well play the rookie.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 15, 2010 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Yup, with either of them at the helm this team is going NOWHERE. Might as well give him a shot (if we were ever in a situation that required him to play).
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 15, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
How do you know they would be going NOWHERE?
We went nowhere with our “top 2” yesterday. RS has never played in an actual real game. How do you know what he would do.
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Let's look at it this way:
a) He’s a late-round rookie.
b) Throughout the season he’s had limited reps at practice.
c) He’d be going up against some extremely tough competition, with 5 divisional games coming up.
That is not a formula for success. Too often fans fall in love with the third stringer, thinking they’ve got the next big thing. In reality, that’s almost never the case.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 15, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
I thin it's more so a case of how terribly Simms has played here when he got the chance
there’s no upside there, so at least with Smith there’s a chance of some upside, even if it’s remote.
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by August West on Nov 15, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly.
I just wanted to illustrate to rothbard that if Smith or Simms is forced into significant playing time, this team probably won’t win many games.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 15, 2010 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Well I'm not in love with Rusty Smith
but to say we autofail if he has to play is a little premature. I put no stock in draft position whatsoever. 1st round QB has a lot of total failures too. Point b I think is the only point that matters.
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In your opinion, can this team make the playoffs with Rusty Smith at QB?
Cause I’m gonna put that in the “need a miracle and then some luck” department.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 15, 2010 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
This year?
If I had to bet, then no, not enough experience/reps/practice, etc. But it’s impossible to say for the future, because we haven’t seen him in a real game.
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You really need to read carefully because you just said what I've been saying.
If forced to play a third stringer, it should be Rusty over Simms because he has potential for the future. That being said, this year if either of them get playing time this team is not going to win games.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 15, 2010 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
You said definitively that there was no way we could win.
There is no way you can know that.
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Going off what what we know from previous QBs drafted in similar position
Its in the “near impossible” category.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 15, 2010 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
what do his college stats have to do with anything?
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Football Outsiders did an exhaustive regressive analysis that coorelates college football statistics to NFL success.
Leading indicators were starts and completion percentage. Rusty wasn’t impressive (relatively) in either category.
/sigh
you win. You are right. The players are just bundles of numbers. No possibility for change, growth, learning, etc. Just unmotivated rocks. Statistics tell the whole story. Always have, always will
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Re:
I said:
Based on his college statistics, it’s a real longshot.Do you really think that’s controversial?
No
But I do think it is irrelevant in the current situation. You have much higher faith in number gymnastics than I do. It’s all good. really no point in arguing about Rusty Smith. If he ever plays, we shall see what he can do. Hell he may be the worst QB ever.
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does "number gymnastics" mean "data and facts"?
Because I agree with that. SuperHorn believes in research, numbers, and data. You don’t. Which is why your opinions are usually outlandish, poorly thought out, and wrong.
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by T--Rac's Posse on Nov 15, 2010 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
How can an opinion be wrong?
Sorry trac, you aren’t the official arbiter of truth. Forum bully doesn’t impress.
Statistics don’t prove anything except the very thing they a describing. e.g. I have a 50% completion percentage of last 100 throws. That proves exactly that. That I have 50 completed passes in the last 100 throws, and nothing more. It simply does not prove that I will continue to throw at that rate in the future. That would be numerology. Sure it may allow one to make an “educated guess” about future performance, but that’s it.
People change, learn, adapt, grow. They aren’t mechanistic robots whose future performance is locked in stone, and fully determined by the past.
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what is a wrong opinion?
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You want an example? I'm a little caught off guard that I have to do this, and still wonder if this is a joke.
Link. Fast forward to the :55 mark.
"Jamarcus Russell’s gonna immediately energize that Raider Nation, that fanbase, that football team- on the practice field, in that locker room- three years from now you could be looking at a guy that’s certainly one of the elite top five quarterbacks in this league.
You’re talking about a 2-3 year period once he’s under center. Look out because skill level that he has is certainly John Elway like."
That's an incorrect prediction
Opinion != prediction. So ex post his prediction ended up being incorrect, but you and t-rac want to say ex ante he had an incorrect opinion. What is an opinion?
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Good Lord.
How does every post you have end up like this?
Your ex-post/ex ante distinction has no relevance. Mel Kiper’s opinion was still wrong “ex ante”, even though we couldn’t evaluate it at the time.
That’s the last I’ll address in this post, because this is coming dangerously close to the abstract conversations that I find myself having with my 5 year old nephew. The distinction is that his arguments tend to have purpose. Like, proving some sort of superiority by claiming that he’s the fastest 5 year old on the planet. While, you seem to just want to argue about nothing.
I'm just trying to find out
what makes an opinion wrong, since that is what I’m accused of having: wrong opinions. An opinion isn’t an argument and doesn’t attempt establish any fact beyond: I believe X to be true. It’s not a statement in regards to whether or not X is actually true.
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What?
When you give an opinion “I believe X to be true,” you are NOT establishing the simple fact that you believe X to be true; that much is obvious. You are PROPOSING that X is in fact true, and if X is not true, then you are wrong. You might want to take a philosophy class.
And opinions, at least ones worth any salt, are based upon arguments. Some opinions are indeed difficult to flat disprove, but we can still evaluate their arguments to see if they are valid. For example: You argued that the passer rating was worthless and trumped up yards per attempt. This was easily shown to be clueless since ypa is included in the passer rating formula. Perhaps there are other good arguments against the passer rating, but nonetheless, that was enough to show that your opinion on this matter was pretty much worthless.
by TheElusiveShadow on Nov 15, 2010 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
Who said I was simply stating
my opinion about the QB rating. Here is an opinion: “QB rating sucks ass”. That statement has no value besides establishing that I believe the QB rating sucks ass. Now, yeah, I went on to argue the why, and there you can of course say I am wrong on the facts and such.
If you can remember correctly, I have already conceded to you the zinger of “oooo ypa is the same”. Not sure what you gain by trying it again.
As for my opinion being worthless. Sure it’s worthless to you, as is yours to me. So what? There is no objective determination of the “worth” of opinions. Value it if you want, or not. Who cares? No skin off my back.
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good for you
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i think an opinion cant be wrong
is an example of an opinion being wrong.
but what makes it wrong?
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How about
I have an opinion that SuperHorn actually hates Vince Young.
Do you think that is right or wrong?
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i still think the greatest example ever of an opinion being wrong
was his statement that an opinion cant be wrong. its just beautifully poetic
What is right or wrong?
That you have said opinion, or that SH actually does hate VY? Obviously I think it would be a dumb opinion, since I am of the opinion that SuperHorn is a water-carrying-jock-riding-VY-fanboi. :p
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AHHHHHH!!!!!!
You never even stated an opinion, or position in the thread above. THAT’S WHAT’S SO FRUSTRATING. What are you even defending anymore? Do you even know?
I am disputing that I
have “wrong” opinions, as determined by the forum police", since nowhere has it been defined what makes my opinions wrong.
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so wait
popular opinion decides what is the right opinion? “Because everyone else thinks so” is the correctness test?
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does it deterime it?
heck no, would a logical person believe that popular opinion might tell you something about the truth, i would hope so
Opinion != fact
We’re not arguing about me being factually incorrect about anything. The statement is “your opinions are wrong”. I don’t understand what that means.
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but congrats on taking one thing from a post
and commenting on it, rather than the point of the post in general. people who do that usually have great points
i was done with the thread
t-rac started the you-be-fail-because-you-have-wrong-opinions thread
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Actually, I wouldn't say that your opinions are wrong, because I'm not sure you've given an opinion on this board yet.
Instead, your time is spent rambling incessantly about ideas that have no relevance to the original point, or creating never ending threads trying to disprove someone else’s point without establishing one of your own in the first place.
by SuperHorn on Nov 15, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
^This
That is why I stay away from answering rothbar posts. It will lead to nowhere fast.
I'm not a VY fanboy, I'm a VY supporter
but yet you keep replying...?
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I think we were
talking about whether or not Rusty Smith’s future success is determined by his stats from college, with his college offensive line, and college receivers.
You were pimping the FO hardcore regressive analysis, saying it was unlucky, and me /thread by saying ‘fine. you like numbers more than me. can’t predict future. if rusty plays we’ll see. Maybe he sucks’ (paraphrased)
Then the t-rac hate train rolled in and let me know that I had failed to meet his standards of correctness in opinions, and appropriate action should be taken. And thus we are here
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*unlucky = unlikely
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Glad you didn't miss you spot
on the bandwagon. No thought required to sign up.. T-rac said it: it’s as good as gold. Follow. Stay in line. Don’t ask questions
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so was our OL
and they still play :p
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Huh? No we should start the players that
are actually playing the best, not who-we-wish-was-good
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I took your post to mean.
Since the OL was playing poorly and gets to start, it should follow that Rusty should start too with his poor play.
Just a joke, anyways. Not worth getting into…
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EXACTLY!!! It’s what I feel every time rothbard replies to one of my comments.
by titansfan4ever on Nov 15, 2010 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
Could say the same thing after reading one of yours, no?
Wasn’t worth reading. ooo
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Well, it certainly makes for a "longer" thread...
if you prefer quanity over quality. :-)
by titansfan4ever on Nov 15, 2010 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know about the chances of winning one way or the other. But...
They cut Blount and have carried Smith on the roster all year. They should play him at #3 if he’s gonna be the #3.
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he counts against the 53
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But you could've kept both players easily by placing Smith on the Practice Squad...
…and keeping Blount on the actual team. And teaching him special teams play might’ve been a good idea, too, as long as you’re at it.
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And neither was expected to play. They were both developmental prospects.
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Don't worry, DannoE...
Simms would never start ahead of Rusty….otherwise Simms would have stayed & Rusty would have been cut.
by titansfan4ever on Nov 15, 2010 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
or just chuck it to cj full speed downfield for a 80 yard td
think if he over throws CJ no one else will pick it off
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How to get a Fisher Moustache.( A list of directions to Moss)
1- Pull your 84 Jersey out
2- Take the Ball Deep, and Take the Top off the Defense (Don't worry, if you can't get to it, nobody can get to it).
3- Clap once.
4- Say what you wanna say.
5- Ask if you said anything stupid that day.
6- Don't Shine Shoes! or Take Ankles.
7- If they ask why and complain, Tell them "Moss This, Moss That, MossThis MossThat.
8- Tell them that you'll come out and play today, ok Moss?
9- Your are Human and you do have Emotions.
10- Remember this is gonna be a fun ride.
11- You're Home now.
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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Nov 15, 2010 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
I would rather see Rusty Smith than Simms. Even at 10-6, will that be enough to get in the playoffs in the stacked AFC. Hopefully we can make up ground on Indy since they play the Pats and Chargers in their next two games.
by TitansFan4life on Nov 15, 2010 12:03 PM CST reply actions
Hey we can beat the Raiders!!!!!11
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Fisher start Kerry over Vince yesterday
was a perfect example of Fisher logic, ie : trying not to lose (Vince MIGHT re-injure his ankle) rather than playing to win (playing the best QB).
Nah.
He was arrogant. He personally got caught looking past Miami, and as a result, the whole team laid an egg.
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by DannoE on Nov 15, 2010 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You may be on to something here.
Before the game I was in favour of playing KC, because I didn’t want to risk injury to VY. After watching the game, one player looked more injured than the other, and it sure wasn’t the guy that came off the bench.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 15, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
maybe Vunce was treating his ankle
by taping raw steaks to it?
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Which is what should be done to your keyboard.
by titansfan4ever on Nov 15, 2010 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i should tape raw steak to my keyboard?
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Whatever
he did, it worked. He was moving around in a way that was the most natural for him that I have seen all season. At the begenning it looked almost like he was making himself stay in the pocket and taking sacks. And when he moved, it looked stiff and awkard. These last two games he has looked comfortable moving and coming out of the pocket.
This has me worried:
Jay Glazer reported yesterday before the game that some players in the Tennessee Titans locker room where none to thrilled with the fact that Vince Young decided not to stay around and get treatments on his ankle over the bye week so that he could go to Austin for the opening of his new steakhouse.
Glazer’s usually bang-on with his reporting. The fact the some in the locker room are upset with the QB is not a good sign moving forward, especially if VY misses more time due to injury. Definitely something to keep an eye on.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 15, 2010 12:28 PM CST reply actions
didn't happen
doesn’t fit Vunce narrative.
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It was obvious in the game that Vince was healthy enough to play.
Who cares if he was in Austin during the bye week? Glazer’s just trying to stir the pot.
that's not the point
It’s a matter of did-it-happen or not.
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Seriously?
If it did, whoever was “none too thrilled” needs to worry about themselves.
If it didn’t, who cares?
If didn't, then yes who cares
If it did, then it indicates potential problems in the locker room.
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there's nothing to "win"
Just saying that if some report makes VY look “bad”, it doesn’t mean it’s false or that the person saying it should stfu and mind their own business.
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What I am saying
Is that the Glazer’s report looks like speculation on his part and if it is based in truth then no one in the Titans locker room should be questioning anyone else on the team. It was obvious from his play (when running, not throwing) that his ankle didn’t need an extra bye week treatment so the point is moot.
And I am definitely not apologizing for VY this week, he sucked right along with the rest of the team.
If the locker room is splintering then who is to blame? Vince for going to Austin and not getting extra treatment on his injury or Fisher for playing QB roulette every other week?
The issue is some players might be questioning VY's dedication.
I’m not saying this is truth or fact, but going off Glazer’s report, perhaps doubt is in their minds.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 15, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
thats really what it is
and the only thing to worry about. do important locker room players wory about vince’s dedication. because lets be honest – its a non-story. if the team really wanted him there, they wouldve asked him, and he wouldve stayed. its not like the titans are a girlfriend and are suggesting vince stay in instead of going out with the guys, theyre his boss. theyd say ‘stay here’, and hed say ‘ok’. the only shred of intrigue is other important players opinions on teh matter
No see now we're "assuming" that Glazer is trying to create some big news.
His job is to report what he hears, not make stuff up and say it live on national TV. Given his outstanding track record of reporting news, I’d say this bears watching.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 15, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
VY didn't start because Fisher thinks he can win with Collins
So, if there’s any doubt on VY’s health, then Fisher is going to sit him and play Collins.
This is a typical Fisher move…stick with the veteran instead of take a chance with a young playmaker. We saw it last year with Harper vs Hood, we saw it yesterday with Gage vs D Will / Hawk and Scaife vs Stevens / Cook.
Note that nearly half of the pass attempts yesterday went to Gage and Scaife. Yeah, we are going to win a ton of games when those guys are the primary targets.
by shawneriksmith on Nov 15, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
When do we lose the ability to
play the “VY is young” card? Isn’t he a “vet” by now?
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I think thats an assumption and not a fact.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 15, 2010 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
I can only go with the information and history I have. You're right, it's not a definitive fact.
But, all indications and actions point to the fact that Fisher is more comfortable with Kerry because of his experience (among other things).
I had a comment on this in an earlier thread
But we cannot and should not automatically assume that Fisher is going with the vet over young “playmakers” because of some sort of bias. At what point do we say, hmm maybe Williams, Hawkins and Cook need to prepare themselves better to play? Maybe its on them to show the staff throughout a week of practice that they are the better players? Now obviously Fisher and Co. should get criticized heavily if they draft these guys and can’t prepare them well enough to play, but let’s not act like Hawkins and Cook are going to be the next Rice and Gates, and its just Fisher holding them back.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 15, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
fisher did keep verner on the field
so he is not agaist every young playmaker
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Yah gage sucks...i can't wait to see him go...scaife too I hope!
No one even seems to upset around here that two guys that really showed up while gage was out, D Williams and Hawk, say NO TIME!! D Williams saw the field for maybe a handful of plays….Why no Cook? Why does cook get sat for a drop and scaife keeps going out there to blow blocks!
If
it did happen, it was handled in-house and we might not hear anything about it. If someone was dissatisfied with it, then Vince did the appopriate thing and shut him(the reporter) down. Let the players and coaches hash that out. Both of the quarterbacks got reps with the first team. It was not something that caused this loss.
FWIW, this is from Jim Wyatt's article:
When a reporter asked why he didn’t stick around Nashville to rehab his ankle during the bye week — excused by Coach Jeff Fisher, he went home to Texas for a long weekend — Young said: "Whatever information you got you have to talk to them because I don’t know what you are talking about.’’
it really doesnt make sense to believe that he was directly asked to stay and left
now that doesnt rule out that he was urged to stay, didnt think it was a big deal, left, and now other players are questioning that decision.
A little down-the-road look
The Titans are 2-4 in the AFC.
How many teams have a worse AFC record than that?
3. The Bills and Bengals straight up. The Broncos are one worse in the L column, and beat us head to head.
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Yeah, I kind'a think this last game cost us the playoffs.
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not enough we win the division
ain’t over til it’s over
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whoa...*enough = if
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Yeah. We're done.
I say 9-7 at best. And no way we make the playoffs. That one yesterday was the dagger.
We ain’t sweeping the division. And that is our only chance at this point.
But I will still be there cheering. And drinking.
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lol
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I just don't think we can say that losing the 9th game of the season leaves us out of the playoffs already.
5-4. Not great, not bad. Still in the hunt.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 15, 2010 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
Because we don't have any tiebreakers
Except against the Bills and the Bengals.
So that means we have to win the division. Which at this point means sweep the division. And I just can’t see the team we have seen the last two games beating Indy twice.
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You are assuming that Indy is gonna lose more than us.
And I don’t know how you can assume that.
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Generally we play Indy close.
I think they’re good, but I do think we can beat them.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 15, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
I think we can beat the Dolphins too. And the Broncos. That is a home game for goodness sakes.
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Just because we can does not mean:
We will. But it does mean its possible.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 15, 2010 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
Well hell
Anything is possible. I just don’t understand what this team has done to give you so much hope.
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I look at the roster and I see plenty of talent.
Then I look at the coaching staff and feel they can use that talent appropriately. I won’t use Fisher or Dinger as an example, since you dislike both. But defensively, I trust Washburn and I think Cecil can bring the unit’s play up.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 15, 2010 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
I might agree
But then again, if he can bring the unit’s play up, when is he gonna do it?
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Hopefully awfully quickly?
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 15, 2010 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
I just hope
the team’s mental state today isn’t anywhere close to this thread. Depressed and bitchy ;-).
I’m glass 3/4 empty at this point too, same as gramsey. They lay eggs against AFC, not makin’ playoffs. If they had beat Denver and Miami and lost to the Giants and Dallas, I’d be way more optimistic about their 5-4 record than I currently am. Glass would be half full.
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I agree. I think we can beat them. They're not a powerhouse this year.
But as Grams pretty much stated, we’ve should’ve beaten the Dolphins, Broncos and SD.
It’ll just depend on which teams shows up to play those days. Will we get the team that plays sloppy? Like yesterday. Or the team that’s played really well in 5 games this year.
Alright, my realistic prediction
Titans:
Washington Sun 11/21 W
@ Houston Sun 11/28 W
Jacksonville Sun 12/05 W
Indianapolis Thu 12/09 L
Houston Sun 12/19 W
@ Kansas City Sun 12/26 L
@ Indianapolis Sun 01/02 L
9-7
Colts:
@ New England Sun 11/21 L
San Diego Sun 11/28 L
Dallas Sun 12/05 W
@ Tennessee Thu 12/09 W
Jacksonville Sun 12/19 W
@ Oakland Sun 12/26 W
Tennessee Sun 01/02 W
11-5
Our two games against Indy are the keys. And as long as 18 is under center (and Jacob Tamme has a pulse), I don’t see how we can beat them.
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/sigh
i know…..
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It's like Bizarro world in here...
I thought Rothbard was the incurable pessimist and Gramsey was just a hater…
I am just basing that off of being in Arrowhead in late December.
Even if you flip that one, we’re 10-6 and still out of the playoffs.
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The home Indy game and @KC could be W's.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 15, 2010 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
Beat Indy once and KC, drop one to Indy.
11-5. There is a few more ways we could make it as SuperHorn explained on a previous thread.
Looking at Indy’s sked, Dallas, and Oakland are are potential letdown losses as well.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 15, 2010 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
But that's the beauty of football.
We don’t know. In the past two seasons we’ve shown an ability to put a large streak of wins together. Its possible. The state of our division can change week to week. If we win and Indy loses next week, suddenly we’re back in first. Even if they don’t lose, it will be a similar situation the rest of the season until one team is mathematically eliminated. No one can predict how injuries, fatigue, and other variables will affect certain teams as the season progresses.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 15, 2010 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
I wish I could buy in
But the last two performances have been pathetic. I can’t do it.
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do you think the team mails it in?
Or are they going to try and turn it around, but just be too little too late?
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See now I can understand that viewpoint.
But things change weekly. The Raiders looked dead two weeks ago. After a few weeks the media thought Houston was the best team in the division. As of right now, those two statements look false. Things change, and quickly.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 15, 2010 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
You're giving Indy too much credit. Ie: You've created a doomsday scenario of sorts.
I think the Colts have two more losses in them (one to us, and one to another team). If our only other loss comes to the Colts, under that scenario, we’d win the division.
That's why we're not out of it.
Hypothetically, what if Indy loses both to NE and SD in the coming weeks? The balance of power could do a dramatic shift.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 15, 2010 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
That's 5 losses.
Add a Titans W or an Oakland W, and surely you can see we’ve got a shot.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 15, 2010 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
I never said we didn't have a shot
I just said we wouldn’t do it.
We still have a shot until we are mathmatically eliminated. But yesterday took my optimism away.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 15, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
How am I giving them too much credit?
They are 6-3. Should I give us more credit?
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I see your point. I just haven't been that impressed by them this year (that's relative, obviously).
Things always get crazy at the end of the year. I don’t expect this year to be any different. I think we can stumble two more times along the way (as long as both aren’t against the Colts), and we’ll still win the division.
remember the graphic during the game
at 5-4 you have about a 50/50 chance of making the playoffs. In 2007 we were 6-5 and 7-6 which are far worse than 5-4 and got in. Our schedule sets up nicely for a potential run, especially home at the Jags and then home on Thursday to the Colts. We all saw what happened to the away team this past Thursday when the Ravens looked sluggish for 3 and a half quarters.
by asbestos_man on Nov 15, 2010 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
c'mon gramsey
all the other teams have to play too. We aren’t the only team losing games we “should” win. Playoff hope may look bleak, but we may turn it around (I don’t think we can turn it enough, though) or we may get some help.
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agreed
These next two weeks ar the now must wins if we want to have games matter in December, then of cource the games in December are must wins if we want games in January, but you get my point. Half full not half empty.
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by MexicanTitanFreak on Nov 15, 2010 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
We'll pound the Redskins. That doesn't matter.
Beating on these mediocre NFC teams is not gonna matter when we can’t win conference games.
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true
but you never know, crazier things have happened and will happen
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by MexicanTitanFreak on Nov 15, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
I actually agree with you on this.
The other teams have to play too. I don’t know why we’ve all penciled in Indy to finish 13-3 and not drop another game, (and they very well could go on a monster run), but they don’t seem as strong as in years past. They needed three picks by Palmer to survive yesterday alone.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 15, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
Very true
And if the cowboys from yesterday show up, thats not a gimme for the little pony’s anymore.
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by MexicanTitanFreak on Nov 15, 2010 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder if Titans miniature defense is the reason for the drop off
This defense unlike the other great Titans defenses lack size. Basically undersized @ every position. I have to believe at some point (now) the wear and tear shows. It start with the Dline, they are not getting pressure on the QB.
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Will 5-1 in the division yet be 10-6 overall
win the division? Cause I doubt 10-6 with our current 2-4 against afc opponents will win a wildcard with such teams as NYJ, BAL, PIT, NE, KC and SD all heavily competeing for their divisions and/our wild card
We also have another non-division game to go still.
We’re not out of it yet. We need to start taking care of business, and it will depend on how many and more importantly which games we drop.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Nov 15, 2010 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
If we go 5-1 in the division, we will win the south. 4-2 will win as well provided we split with Indy.
There are no easy schedules in the south and the Colts will lose games going down the stretch (next week at New England and San Diego always beats them). That is 5 losses. If we split with them that is 6 losses. Best division record the Colts can manage in that scenario is 3-3. Our 10-6 will beat theirs because of our division record.
by asbestos_man on Nov 15, 2010 6:23 PM CST up reply actions
This time next week
We wil be discussing how the Titans are back in first. Colts will lose to the Pats, Jags will lose to the Browns and down here the “tourist”(cause they only show up a few times a year)-Texans will get stomped by the Jets and more importantly we shake off this feeling on those Skins! Atleast i hope so! Go Titans!
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by MexicanTitanFreak on Nov 15, 2010 3:07 PM CST reply actions
Sad?
That looks like a good week. The kind of week that could vault the Titans to Afc South champs and a home playoff game.
by asbestos_man on Nov 15, 2010 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
About the Jay Glazer report
From Wyatt tweeter account:
Fisher said young was excused from rehab during bye weekend. No issue #titans
I'm not a VY fanboy, I'm a VY supporter
Still stoked about these Titans..
I’m still pumped for the season and the Titans. One game out of 1st? Randy Moss? Healthy VY? I’ll take it with 7 games to go. After 0-6 last year it’s going to take a lot more than a 2 game losing streak to bum me out. Looking forward to next week and beyond.
Good point
This time last year we were 3-6.
by asbestos_man on Nov 15, 2010 6:24 PM CST up reply actions
ehhhhhhhhh
He’s more of a eff-it and chuck-it type QB… that’s why he’s not a good football player anymore.
What the? So is that why he holds so many records or is that why his team has a losing record this year… or uhh… what do you mean? Might be the most unfair/untrue statement I’ve seen on MCM :)
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TE
After seeing Scaife caugh up the ball, I’m wondering when it is time to start letting Jared Cook get some more playing time. Im a huge fan of this guy and we did trade up to get him, but havent used him at all.
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